>> bill: the thing in coney island. >> julie: let's do it tomorrow, shall we? you are going to do this in 84, right? i think the amount of hours that you guys work in not dog years, but an anchor years he would be 140 by the time you actually hit 84. >> bill: you can see it with the telephone. >> julie: outnumbered starts right now. >> harris: reaction from the trump administration after secretary of state mike pompeo has returned from saudi arabia and turkey. you breach the president on international investigations into the missing saudi columnist jamal khashoggi. and now the secretary of the treasury is putting a major visit to the kingdom of saudi arabia on hold. great show for you today. this is to is "outnumbered," i am harris faulkner. here today melissa frankness, lisa boothe, former state department spokesperson and cohost on fox news radio marie harf, in the center seat for the first time on this

program and executive vice president at king's college in new york city brian brenberg is here, you have a lot of fans on social media. >> that's good, thank you for finding it out for me. >> harris: i do not mean to say it like it is not a good thing. >> brian: yes, friends and enemies, it's great to be here. >> harris: let's get to the news, shall we? treasury secretary steve emma nguyen announcing his decision not to attend an upcoming investor conference in saudi arabia. this is investigations continue into the disappearance and alleged killing of the saudi columnist. secretary of state mike pompeo and president trump wrapped up a meeting at the white house just a short time ago. the secretary says he told the president to give the saudis have few more day to complete their investigation before making any decisions on how to respond. democrats are focused elsewhere, patrick leahy and eight of his democratic colleagues sent letters to the president and the trump organization yesterday requesting a full list of any financial ties to saudi arabia.

chief white house correspondent john roberts is live for us at the white house this morning. this story grows more and more by the hour. >> yes, harris, good afternoon to you. of the secretary stayed here for a short time. flew in late last night from turkey. off on this way to panama right now. stopping by to talk to the president for about 45 minutes regarding what he found. talking with the saudi leadership into the crown prince, and to the turkish president to one as well. we are told by sources, because there has been some criticism of the photo op that the secretary had that there were a lot of smiles, they seem to have a cordial relationship that when the cameras were low off the secretary was very direct with the crown prince and the king as well. listen to what he said when he came out of the west wing just a short time ago. >> they understood that they understand the serious nature of the disappearance of mr. jamal

khashoggi. they also assured me that they will conduct a complete thorough investigation of all of the facts surrounding mr. khashoggi and that they will do so at a urgent fashion. this will be public for everyone to ask questions about. i told mr. president trump that we are to give them a few more s to complete that so that we had to have complete understanding of the facts surrounding that. which we can make decisions about how or if the united states should respond. >> the secretary said at the top that the u.s. takes the disappearance of jamal khashoggi very seriously. saudi arabia conducting its own investigation into khashoggi's it disappearance. mike pompeo was asked about that, said that the u.s. will get to see the work that saudi arabia is doing and can make the determination of its credibility. listen here. >> there are stories about what has happened, we just are going to allow the process to move

forward. allow the facts to unfold, as they unfold and we make a determination for ourselves about what happened they are based on the facts that are presented to us the united states will determine what the appropriate response might be. >> response might be is a big question here. pompeo also reminding people that to the historic relationship and strategic relationship of the partnership between the united states and saudi arabia dates all the way back to 1932. turkish authorities have identified 15 suspects that they say were involved in khashoggi's disappearance. the circle around that one man right there, his name is maher abdulaziz mutreb, is said to be a saudi intelligence officer, and this is mohammed, he is seen in several photographs along with maher abdulaziz mutreb, and travels quite frequently. other suspects are said to be members of the saudi royal guard and saudi security forces.

you mention at the top that the secretary of treasury steven mnuchin has said that he will cancel his appearance in the desert so meant, just met with donald trump and secretary pompeo, we have decided that i will not be participating in the future investment summit in saudi arabia. the secretary of treasury joins a number of american ceos from many companies including jpmorgan chase, google, and huber who have said that they are not going. it's been interesting for those people who say that they doubted that we are serious in all of this and that the trump administration might not be investigated, clearly if you are not investigating and still waiting for the facts, that sends a signal as well. john roberts, always great to see you. so brian is here, and i want to get your reaction to some of the news that is being made on this front. >> brian: saudi arabia has been a complicated place for a very long time and for some reason over the past few years we have made the determination that reform is really truly

happening. and things have changed. what this instance is showing us, no, that is not true. it is still really complicated. they're bad things going on there, but in that neighborhood, they are a key ally. it cannot be a simple solution. you cannot go all one way or what all the other. what you see the president doing is trying to thread the needle in the right way. he is not getting a lot of help from his critics, that's what he is trying to do. >> harris: what is interesting about you are saying, we know how close lindsey graham and the president have been, and i kind of looked at it differently yesterday after the show. i said, what if there is that lane where you have those that are close to that can criticize and do all of that? and you and your secretary of state will live in that next lane. there are tight corridors together, but that diplomacy is what you'll see. is that possible? >> brian: yes. >> harris: not necessarily a critic, but part of the strategy? >> brian: you have to have

people that can speak to the broader issues going on and you need the right critics in your sphere. the problem for president trump is that he has not had helpful critics around him over the course of his administration. so now he is in a situation that is complicated. he needs people to come alongside him and help him thread the needle. we have eight or nine democratic senators talking about his business ties to saudi arabia and what we should be talking about a diplomatic conversation, not a financial conversation. >> harris: especially if they care about that journalist. one of the things i love about sitting next to melissa francis is that sometimes i will get in understory. so give me the back channel, because you said steven mnuchin is not going. >> melissa: what i hear, that is not the only event that was planned, if you look at the same in all he said was i'm not going to the summit, the summit is the thing that is about monday and it's -- money and is very important, but he did

not say we are not going to the kingdom, he said we are not going to the summit. so i don't know. i would take, i would look at that tweets and then i would ask a couple of follow-up questions about what is really going on. i would say that's too, i covered the kingdom for a long time and energy and spend time there, and this whole story reminds me of the dichotomy that is the saudis, that when you meet with them behind closed doors even in the kingdom coming to see modernity. you see people who treated me to my face with respect. i understand that you will treat journalist that way. >> harris: but not all of them eventually. >> melissa: that is a foreign journalists who are you are trying to make an impression on any certain way that they would treat me that way. but also i saw the other side in the streets, having people yell at me, go home american. and the wh word. within the culture, there is, it is very complicated, they are

very much two sides, and it is easy to be fooled by the modernist and then something like this comes around and reminds you what is there. >> harris: she has a kind of back -- >> marie: that's what he was trying, he was on the consent to or from silicon valley, new york, washington, and a lot of people bought into it. if, in fact, he or his government was behind this, which all signs at this point are pointing in that direction. it was a gross miscalculation, because in order to diversify the economy and take it publicly someday, he needs foreign investment and people not to say the risk is too high, and talking about critics, bob corker, the republican senator said today the administration is sharing less intelligence with us over this. they have started pulling it back and what he said publicly was that i do not think it paints a pretty picture for the saudis, the republicans are not getting a lot out of the administration. that time for we will let them

investigate and think about the next step is growing thinner by the day. >> harris: can i ask you about this piece of the puzzle, because you talk about mohammed, and you say, okay, he had to have known, and that is part of the argument, but he is also dealing with a whole host of other issues, and now some things have come out and we are just reporting the facts, lisa, we do not have to fall down one way or the other, but khashoggi was tied to the muslim brotherhood. >> lisa: that is iffy to say that he was tied to the muslim brotherhood. throughout his career he was a government spokesperson for the family. he worked in turkey in washington, d.c., and had written and worked with some muslim brother, members in saudi arabia, but he was always named spokesman or a journalist, and so, i mean, he has been tied up -- >> harris: i just want to put it out there because it is the situation. >> lisa: but people are using that to discredit him. they are not saying that you

are, but some are. >> melissa: i think that some of the tweets show an association to the brotherhood as well paired but you do not want to waste your foreign policy decisions off of news sor either, and so far we have not seen, my understanding of the trump administration has not seen the ledge a video or audio recordings that exist. so i do not blame the trump administration for wanting to hold on when we need saudi arabia in terms of countering a ran, and if we want to have this moving forward toward you not want to do business with countries that have egregious human rights issues, then we will not deal with countries like china, i read a report from the institute where 500,000 elderly people go missing every single year in china. you look at north korea, countries like russia. >> lisa: we do not deal with north korea for that reason. >> harris: my point was that this crown prince has had some issues within his own country for some of the things he is pushing for.

>> brian: what we are finding is that we know much less about saudi arabia than we do, with in his own family he is dealing with all kinds of factors, forget about turkey and russia and iran for a second, just take the players in saudi arabia, it is not exactly clear what strings he is pulling, he may be behind it, but you have to do the investigation, the trump administration is being pushed so hard to because they are not on the right side here or they are, what are you talking about? there is so much left to figure out. >> marie: there are a lot of reports that u.s. intelligence had information that points directly to the saudis. >> harris: this is a former cia director and secretary of state, a lot of faith from people on both sides of the political aisle dead as a cia guy, yes, whatever intelligence is creeping up, this is a person then we know just stepping into the cameras is now taking questions, he is in it. he is definitely in it. i want to ask you about the money.

>> melissa: i think that the money is not what is important, it is what the money brings, the ties, the access, knowing what access they have. the money of my money -- enemy is my friend. it is one of those things where the president is criticized for moving too fast and saying things off-the-cuff, this is one time he has held back and he is getting criticized for that too. >> brian: i just want to say that oil used to be the issue, but with production in the u.s. that has changed. >> melissa: we have not even talked about that much this week. >> brian: it is not a king oil situation, 20 or 30 years ago that was it, now it has changed. >> harris: let's move on, it's great to have you. former fbi director james baker is taking the hot seat on capitol hill as they step up their investigation over alleged antitrust bias at the highest reaches of the justice department. so, what could we learn today?

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>> harris: fox news alert, former fbi lawyer james baker is back on capitol hill, for the house judiciary for the second n two weeks, sources say that baker has been the most informative witness in the nearly year-long probe of the fbi's investigation into the trump campaign. baker is facing questions over the report that deputy attorney general rod rosenstein wanted to secretly record president trump and use the 25th amendment to remove him from office. house judiciary committee member jim jordan saying that he will press baker about what fbi officials asked after rosenstein's reported request. watch this. >> what did you guys do? was there legal analysis of actually looking to record the president of the united states? what subsequence meetings took place? those are the first series of questions we will ask mr. baker. i want mr. rosenstein to answer lots of questions like the documents and the reasons out standing, but most importantly

about the understanding that he had with andy mccabe about recording the president. >> melissa: they also want to hear from nellie ohr, working for fusion gps. and she is the wife of doj official bruce ohr. she is scheduled to appear tomorrow, but she is not expected to show up. brian, this is a very interesting development with the latest witness that they have coming forward. you heard jim jordan saying that this lawyer, jim baker took them seriously when they said that they wanted to wiretap president trump and jim jordan said, i want to ask in the meeting that directly followed, what happened? did you talk about it more seriously? >> brian: this is very important. what we are trying to figure out or how deep do the politics and the political motivations go and what is supposed to be a nonpolitical process. and baker has been helpful in that giving a behind-the-scenes look. we are talking about -- >> melissa: what could be his

motivation there? >> brian: maybe he wants to tell the truth. you are talking about baker? maybe he wants to tell the truth and get past and figure out what is going on, that is a simple answer. but perhaps that's what's going on. in any case, that's what we need to be because the country is losing faith in institutions. and this is part of the process of getting to the bottom. >> melissa: marie, what do you make of somebody saying the exact opposite? >> marie: we do not know what happen, we hear the same things out of rod rosenstein's mouth, some of them appear to believe that he was joking. i do not think that 25th amendment jokes are funny. but some people think he was joking and some people think that he wasn't. it is difficult for us to get to the truth here. so i think that congress should ask questions. i've always said that. and i think the administration should cooperate with in reason to congressional oversight. i also think that to the goal of people like mark meadows is often not just to get answers, but to create the impression

publicly through the press. through interviews and the things that they say that the fbi cannot be trusted. there is a lot of grandstanding going on with congress as well. and i think that there is a political motivation for that also appeared weak cannot ignore that. mark meadows is not doing this out of the goodness of his heart. >> brian: a few other individuals did a heck of a lot more to create that impression. >> marie: i do not think so! >> melissa: you have rod rosenstein speaking to "the wall street journal," he still had time to go ahead and do an interview with "the wall street journal," and he said, let's bring up the quote. "i am committed and i would ensure that the investigation was appropriate and to reach the right result, whatever it may be. i believe i have been faithful to that." >> lisa: everyone on this couch knows my thoughts about rod rosenstein, he had a special counsel to investigate that, i question him and his judgment, but what congress is trying to do is get to the heart of the genesis of the russian investigation and the dossier that we know is in opposition

piece of research that was used in some way to obtain a fisa warrant on someone who is a part of the trump campaign. i think at this point we need to start having conversations about what happens to the media and the left when we find out that there was no collusion. >> marie: what happens if there was collusion? >> lisa: you have the senate intel chief richard byrd, also the house intel devin nunes who said that they have seen no evidence of collusion. you also have peter strzok, his text message after being a part of the counter intelligence investigation heading into the special counsel investigation worried that there would be nothing there. at this point there are no ties to collusion, but what we have seen is abundant bias at the fbi. the people who are at the home of the investigation and a fisa warrant. so i applied republicans were trying to get to the bottom of it. >> harris: brian, you and lisa are hitting on the point of trust with the american people in the top law enforcement agency in the land. my question is if you are rod

rosenstein and you know that any of this is cast out on the fbi having that bias, a sliver of people at the fbi, not the total agency, one into that to make sense to get on the record and say what did or did not happen? i want to help my brothers and sisters out at the fbi with reputation, because i said that and i was kidding. or did not say that and everybody thinks i said it. whatever. and i love "the wall street journal," we are all of family here. but why talk to a piece of the media when you can talk to the whole of lawmakers on the hill? >> brian: i do not understand why he did this. he is in the situation where his credibility is so damaged and he knows it that he is not sure what he can say. so he gives you the boilerplate about well, mueller is doing his job. >> harris: how can he be clear on what he can and cannot say? >> brian: because he has stepped in it so badly that he does not know how to navigate where he is going. and that's why we are getting

totally unhelpful messages. that is the only explanation. >> lisa: this is a point of agreement, i do not think that the invoking of the 25th amendment is a joking thing that is a good point. >> marie: also, back to my original point -- >> lisa: it does not help when you have congressional lawmakers that are making these jokes or previously have made these drugs, that is going to stir up people like me who already question your judgment and if ye operating with any bias. >> melissa: one important thing that happened in the midst of all of this and that was the idea that two senior treasury officials was charge for leaking financial information to paul manafort and rick gates, this is something that we have been talking about a lot here. we say, there is been a lot of leaking going on, not a lot of punishment. now we are seeing that, what do you think? >> harris: if you put the political hat on the other side and to release things for hats on democrat white house or

administration, i think it would be all over the media right now. you can correct me if i am wrong, but i think that it would be a headline. that is part of the problem, not enough people know that this is happening. barack obama went after his political enemies who leaked. leaking is dangerous to our democracy. but we know it is going to happen. in this instance, they were wanting photocopies to be made about financial statements among people supporting the president, not just supporting, but members of the staff. so what was her end game? we need to know what her end game was. was it to have an off-site xerox folder of stuff? or was it going to be purposed or weaponized? those are fair questions. >> marie: the end game was not good or beneficial. >> lisa: and every news organization benefits from leaks, we are not going to say that we are not going to use anonymous sources. >> harris: there is a difference, when things are classified and are leaked, and

when things can harm the nation's national security or financial, i mean, look at, if you cripple us financially, you break us as a country. look at 9/11. >> marie: i'm just saying that we all benefit from the sources. >> harris: so we look at that information and we talk with our news managers, we do not automatically blitzed that into the stream. >> brian: the end game was now trying to hold up the rule of law, what we are seeing again and again is this pattern of i'm willing to work outside of the law and the norms to get done what i think it's right, but in this country where care about process. that means that you do not do what you did. >> melissa: i wondered how we knew all of the details with paul manafort's finances, i cannot figure that out and asked the question. now we know. president trump is sending a new warning to mexico as a growing caravan of migrants from central america is heading to the u.s. so what should the administration's next move be?

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>> harris: president trump issued a new warning to mexico as a caravan of nearly 4,000 migrants from honduras is headed towards the store border. mike pompeo appears to meet with the mexican president about the issue tomorrow. he has had a busy week. the president tweeted this "i am watching the democratic party because they want open borders and existing weak laws assault on our country by guatemala, honduras, and el salvador. whose leaders are doing little to stop the large flow of people including many criminals from entering mexico to the united states. in addition to stopping all payments to these countries, which seemed to have almost no control over their population, i must in the strongest of terms asked mexico to stop the onslaught. and i will call up the u.s. military and close the southern

border!" >> harris: reporting that unmarked data in 80% rise in ill crossings since the trump administration ended the zero tolerance border policy. brian, what is happening? >> brian: 4,000 people heading to your southern border, this is the kind of thing when you call home you have somebody answer and you say, did you see 4,000 people heading for the southern border? that is an army amassing. that's not how we should view this, but i get why this is such an important issue to people whom i will resonate in the midterms, what do we do about this? and what we do? we do not know what to do. nobody has an answer. >> harris: we do not see this many people come across the border, but they are all gathered in this caravan, but is the answer to send the military down and shut it down? >> lisa: what president trump is trying to put leverage on mexico and put pressure on mexico to stop the caravan before it becomes our problem.

i think that the trump administration, one thing that the media and the press completely missed with president trump and his zero-tolerance policy, if he was hamstrung by the settlement in the way that he dealt with families coming over and crossing the border illegally, because he can only keep children for so long, and that's why it was either catch and release or to separate the families, so that was a problem that the trump administration came across in the same problem that the obama administration had come across. but democrats miss the fact that president trump is strong on immigration. >> harris: no, they did not. >> lisa: but the senator for american progress, the liberal organization put out a memo saying, sanctuary packs a punch. this has been a losing issue for democrats, even in clinton districts and swing districts for democrats abolishing i.c.e. and sanctuary cities. >> harris: i will help you out, let me show you why, because, maria, when you go low, you go low, not you personally.

but watch this from nancy pelosi. >> we have to do something other than building a wall, which you can't do very well, as a model, expensive, ineffective, and not something that people do between countries. but in any event, it happens to be like a manhood issue for the president. he is an insecure man. >> harris: did that lady just a manhood issue? the bar is on the floor. what is going on? >> marie: the bar has been on the floor for a long time, but that is not an effective line, nancy pelosi. that was silly. and she should not have said it. that's not how we fight about immigration. in the truth is that there are a number of democratic senators, particularly on the senate side that have said we will get a border wall funding in exchange for things like dreamers protection. i've said this yesterday and i think it is a little bit pollyanna, but after the midterm

particularly in the senate there may be a way to crack the compromise to deal with some of these issues. not everything, but some of them. and that is going to take political garbage, very short supply in washington right now,t like you see, 4,000 people coming to the border. on the other side you see these stories, and by the way, some of those 4,000 probably have a legal asylum claims. and we have to be able to adjudicate that. >> harris: they have three countries to work around before they get anything out. >> marie: then the stories of the dream dreamers who are terrified. >> melissa: this is what i think, have you seen how well produced a lot of the video is? have you seen how organized they are? >> marie: some of that video is fake that is on twitter. >> melissa: all i know is that all of these people together, it took a lot of organization and there is something political behind that. to me that means that everyone thinks on all sides of this issue playing well for them. because the people that are pro illegal immigration who are organizing this kind of thing to

get a lot of media attention ahead of an election. you have those that are responding to it thinking that it is a winning issue for them. and then it seems like everybody who is pro-illegal immigration, whoever is putting money behind that march -- >> marie: americans are not putting money behind the american wow caravan. >> melissa: whatever forces, whoever is out there supporting the organization moving forward -- >> marie: who is that? >> melissa: somebody is funding it, we saw that last time, everybody thinks that this issue plays well for them no matter what side they are on. and i look at it through cynical glasses. the reason it is not being solved is because it is politically working for people. >> harris: i want to make the point of the country to stand between where they are leaving and where they want to get to you, our u.s. border with mexico. there are at least three places where they could stop along the way, yet somehow or another these people are further towards the north of our border, why is

that happening? >> brian: three places where they could be stopped along the way. >> harris: how are they making it? >> brian: nobody there wants to deal with this! what is their incentive to do this? so it is marching up to the united states. and look at the responses of who wins, president trump talks about strengthening the border in response to this caravan. nancy pelosi talks about manhood. which of the two look like they are taking the issue seriously? >> marie: neither. i actually think neither. >> harris: you do not think the president looking at the situation -- >> marie: he does not want to solve it. he says democrats want open borders, which is not true. >> lisa: you do have democrats that do though. >> marie: most do not. >> melissa: you think that he wants to build the wall -- >> marie: that is not helpful language to solving it. >> harris: i'm curious as how you look at the countries in between and when the president says i'm going to cut aid and do these things, what are the options? we will move on. 19 days and counting.

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meanwhile a new research center poll shows president trump's impact on voters in the midterms is higher than this poll has ever reported. 23% say that they see their vote as a support for the president, 37% see it as a vote against the president. another 37% say president trump is not a factor in their vote at all. and the rest are lying. meanwhile, the president himself seems better with the voters. to the fox poll shows his approval rating up three points from 34 percent to 47% now, nearly tying the president's highest approval rating ever in the poll which was 48% shortly after he was elected. i have to laugh, because we were talking just this morning about the idea that people go into the booth and do what they want to do and come out and don't necessarily say the truth on the way out about what they actually did. >> harris: they do not have to, right? can i ask you a question about this, though.

i read the number of 37%, i guess it will be a protest vote to say that, was in that number like 20 points bigger not that long ago? people have decided fewer of them that they are going to vote in protest to the president. that number is shrinking. i'm wondering why that is? >> marie: the generic ballot in the fox news polling has stayed consistent for several polls in a row, so a lot of people think that a lot of boats are baked in, not a lot of undecideds now. but the interesting thing is that gender gap. women likely voters supporting democrat voters by 19 points amongst her birdbrain when men 35 points of women under the age of 35. always a democratic but to this cycle is much higher. >> harris: but are they likely to go to the polls? >> marie: and a lot of the swing districts i think they are, but now baked in, and -- >> harris: will they really show up?

>> lisa: the generic ballot means less now than looking at these congressional districts and the state polling, and abc with the poll at 66, what they consider toss up, which not that many toss-up districts, and republican have a one point advantage, and then you look at the senate races in and overall, and then in the states that republicans are just sending come of the republicans are starting to take the lead and republican candidates have opened up where they are trying to take states like north dakota, missouri, so there is a real chance in the senate races that republicans will not only retain the states that they are trying to keep, but also picked up potentially a couple of states. so i think republicans are actually in a real decent position right now. particularly when everybody was talking about a blue wave. >> brian: it is a turnout game as you said. that's why the president is such a huge asset. because the one thing he does very well is swoop in and get

energy high and get people wanting to go to the polls agai again. >> marie: in places where they support him. >> brian: but he knows where to go. >> harris: getting ready to go to arizona where there is all that immigration paired what are we talking about today? >> brian: it is all about the turnout. should this be about president trump? at this point he is the energy of the party and he does well what needs to happen. >> melissa: is the only people who vote in midterms are people who are angry. >> harris: yes, not a lot of happy voters vote in midterms. >> harris: but then he brings in those issues. >> lisa: the democrats have not been attacking trump either, jon tester in atlanta where president trump is going for the rally, he ran full-page ads in at least a dozen newspapers before he came at the last rally, so they are not attacking him. >> melissa: politics getting personal and bruising, literally in the run-up to the election day, the disturbing rise in the attack on candidates. who gets the blame? and the impact this will have on voters.

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>> melissa: more "outnumbered" in just a moment, but we will look at what is coming up on "outnumbered overtime" in just a moment. >> harris: here is what is developing thing, mike pompeo speaking out about as fact counting on saudi arabia and turkey on that tlaxcala missed. and steven mnuchin has announced that he will skip a big saudi investors conference there. republican leo selden will join me on what the white house should do next. and former acting i.c.e. director tom homan is with me. he will be talking about the president blaming democrats for the migrant caravan heading our way and threatening to close the southern border of mexico if that country cannot stop that caravan. we will get into it. "outnumbered overtime" on top of the hour, melissa. >> thank you for expressing your first amendment right. >> why do support a man who abuses women? shame on you, ted cruz. shame on you, ted cruz!

shame on you, ted cruz! >> marie: that is senator ted cruz harassed at the airport, as there is new -- the minnesota democratic party defending the spokesperson for violence against republicans as two g.o.p. candidates have been assaulted. in nevada democratic operative arrested and charged with battery after the female campaign manager for the republican candidate accused him of grabbing her arm and refusing to let go. kiersten davis and giving fox news what she says are pictures of the bruises left by the alleged assailant. president trump getting on the g.o.p. bandwagon of referring to liberal protesters as a mob. >> on this election day, november 6th, every american faces a simple choice. you can either vote for democratic mob rule, or you can vote for a republican party that stands proudly for law and order, fairness, freedom, and

justice. >> marie: the president has come under fire for some of his own remarks and tweets. speaker paul ryan rebuking the president for calling stormy daniels horse face on twitter. so brian, i hate what is happening in politics today on both sides. and as someone on the other side, we mention a couple of situations happening to republicans democratic candidates, specifically women who are getting harassed and threats, happening all over the place. we need to distinguish between protest, even if it is angry protest, but nonviolent protest, and violence. and we have to be able to call our own side out when it happens. right? >> brian: the difference between a mob and a protest is for a mob, the end justifies the means. they will do whatever they have to do to get to what is the thing they think is right. protest cares about process. they care about process, but we are in this political place where people do not care if they are following a just or right

process, all they want is the outcome. i think that that was on serious and tragic display in the cavanaugh hearing, and that is going to lead to injustice when listed the end justifies the means. >> harris: i want to hit on what you were talking about protest and real violence, some things in the video that we just saw where you have the woman saying shame on you, shame on y, it is distressing, but it does not seem threatening, these other situations where you see, the situation we were reading about with the minnesota state representative where somebody is running at her and saying, why don't you go killed yourself where you feel actually scared, i remember being in washington, there were protesters that where they are together and organized was something to say, and that s political action, there were people that were blocking off areas and breaking things, and i was frightened for my own personal safety. we drifted more into this frightening territory.

>> marie: and that is legitimate. and violence is into. >> lisa: i do not remember democrats reacting to the fires that happen on inauguration day. just this week alone, the g.o.p. candidate member who was assaulted, two minnesota state representatives that were assaulted. and susan collins at the receiving end of a letter with substance hazmat. that is that alone, but to mari marie -- the police on the receiving end of bullets from a democrat who supported bernie sanders, what he thinks about the tone for the other side that condemns. that kind of language that has seen. >> marie: you have seen it on both sides. >> lisa: no, we have not. if we see this violence on the rights, 100%, because i condemn -- >> marie: a protester was killed in charlotte. >> lisa: the only person i've

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>> melissa: thank you so much brian, what did you think? fiery day for your first time on the couch. >> brian: no place i'd rather be heading into the midterms. >> melissa: you're not going to tell people what we do during the commercial break, right? we are back here at noon eastern tomorrow time. right now, here's harris. >> harris: a fox news alert, hearing from two top administration officials as the crisis over a missing journalist has intensified again for another day. let's go "outnumbered overtime," i'm harris faulkner. mike pompeo spoke with reporters at the white house after briefing president trump on his meetings with the leaders of saudi arabia and turkey. they says the president says he wants answers on the disappearance of u.s.-based columnist jamaal khashoggi who was last seen entering the saudi consulate. mike pompeo says he's