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press secretary under george w. bush, and a fox news contributor, ari fleischer. boy, we have a busy day. so much of it around messaging and what people should be saying. we are so happy to have you her here. welcome. the latest of elements in the death of jamal khashoggi on saturday, the saudi government admitting that the columnist was killed in the consulate in istanbul. a fight broke out during a botched interrogation. yesterday, anonymous saudi officials reportedly telling reuters that khashoggi died from a choke hold. now releasing surveillance video allegedly showing a saudi operative wearing a fake beard, glasses, and khashoggi's clothing, walking around is simple after he was killed. turkish authorities claimed that the operative was acting as a body double as part of a scheme to cover up his death. here is saudi arabia's foreign minister in an exclusive interview on fox news yesterday. >> this was in operation, where

individuals ended up exceeding the authorities responsibilities that they had. they made the mistake when they killed jamal khashoggi in the consulate and they tried to cover up for it. we wanted to find out how they were assembled, how they were dispatched, we are trying to ascertain the facts as to what happened in the consulate and would have been subsequent to that. >> melissa: republican meant member of the committee, rand paul, is not buying their response. >> its it's insulting to anyboy with intelligent background to believe that a fistfight led to a dismemberment with a bone saw. i think the saudis are an authoritarian government. they are directed from the top down i don't have people just going off and doing things on their own. i feel certain that the crown prince was involved in that he directed this. i think that's why we can't continue to have relations with him. i think it's going to be replaced. >> melissa: there have been

questions over jared kushner's relationship with the crowd prince, forcing his role. working on middle east issues of the white house. today kushner was asked what advice he has given the crown prince. >> just to be transparent, to be fully transparent. the world is watching. it's a very serious accusation. a very serious situation. i see that right now, as in the mistry, we are in the fact-finding phase. we are getting as many facts as we can from the different place places. >> melissa: ari, is there any chance the prince didn't know about it? >> ari: it's hard to imagine. because of the monarchy company do with the king tells you to do, or the crown prince. it will get worse for saudi arabia and this is problematic for the united states. it will get worse tomorrow because tomorrow the turkish government, president erdogan, said he will release more about it and what their investigation shows. a saudi denial cannot compete with audio and video. i expect that's what we're going to see you tomorrow.

they are selectively leaking to cnn, some video about a person who was allegedly dressed like khashoggi. from a communications point of view, saudi arabia has not been credible. the light of the beginning, i think they are lying now. the bigger issue is, what does the united states do? before get to that, let me say one quick thing -- what do saudi arabia do? my advice to them is that if you're going to be a reformer, he a reformer. you can't be a despot at home and a reformer or a broad. they need to double down on reforms at home to actually prove to people that they have been shaken to their core and they are willing to change. if they don't do that, they are going to lose credibility everywhere. >> melissa: how would you communicate that right now? even if they learned that lesson and that's what they wanted to do. anything they say today isn't going to have any credibility. just based on the fact that they change their story about this incident so many times. >> ari: what they need to do is have more rights for women at

home, more democracy at home, and more journalism at home. in other words, stop behaving like a despotic country. behave like a western country. >> harris: i want to ask a whole bunch of questions, and i have been on the couch and taking some criticism for asking them. again, with the women's issue, yes, some of them are allowed to drive. but those who came out have been in prison. there's a whole bunch of inconsistency with how the saudis have dealt with it. the fact that they reportedly don't know where this person is now after his disappearance, they are -- what did you call them? and the autocracy. a monarchy. they are in complete control and they missed someone who went into the consulate. it's hard to believe that they don't know where he is now. >> melissa: kennedy, i would ask you -- ari says to act more like a democracy. that last little bit, it's kind of how we got into all of this trouble in the middle east, exporting democracy. is that one small step too far?

ari didn't like it. let make it back to in a second. >> kennedy: i grew few that that has been problematic, projecting our view of the way r elections run into other countries that have been operating, entrenched, consistently, for hundreds and sometimes thousands of years. it's a difficult imposition and projection to make. i think what saudi arabia wants a something more like what china has. the difficulty has to have wite u.s. has, which is free and open elections even if you disagree with the outcome. we do have a first memo that protects free speech, as well as religion. you won't see that in a place like saudi arabia. it will be almost impossible to expect them to make the shift. in a place like china, they love being -- they don't necessarily have free market reform, but as a state-run economy they still get to benefit from the flow of currency. and the flow of goods and services, while still having a

lot of control and violating human rights. to be when i was going to say, they are still killing people. >> kennedy: of course they are, and so was turkey. >> harris: and tiananmen square, and we can actually see that. that's the funny thing about this. i asked the question last week, what was khashoggi reporting on or into or whatever? whatever it was, something triggered this potentially. i think we need to know the why and not just the how. because whom else is this happening to? like china, they were able to get away with so much without us seeing it. i think that's a primary example. our economies are tight. that's a perfect example. >> melissa: one of the biggest points right out that a lot of people are making is, the saudis need us. we also need more allies in the middle east that they compare to their neighbors have been a decent allied to the us. so in relationship under the bus at this point doesn't help any of the situations of the middle east, some say preet how do you respond to that?

>> emily: the complexity of that relationship can't be overstated. i think many of the american public don't quite understand the level and the gravity of entrenchment that the saudis are in this country. they are the largest lobbying effort. there are so many, for example, law firms -- independent "think tanks" that are funded at least in small part of to a large part by the saudis. they have -- including a journalistic export. i do think that there is so much level of the relationship that the saudis have, which is why it's hard to just say "cut it off or ended now." it's difficult. that reconciliation between the messaging and what they are doing, remember, it was just after the last in the desert that the prince held people in that very same hotel for quite a long time. you're absolutely right that the walk has not caught up with the talk yet. but it's too complicated to pass across a democracy. >> melissa: let me let you get back to that first point. we talked about how you want other countries, you can demand that they recognize human

rights. but it's too much talk about what kind of government they should have it set the country. >> ari: i'm not saying that saudi arabia needs to become a democracy, that will happen. they are a monarchy. but they can become more western pair that means more freedom, where actual reformers. my point is that you cannot act like a despot at home and call yourself a reformer when you travel abroad. it won't work. actually, if they want to be seen as a different type of country, a 21st century-modern-country, they need to commit to more reforms at home. there's another issue and much of the united states, and when i watch the cover to get so frustrating because a lot of people think we need to sever ties with saudi arabia. withdraw all our embassy, shut it down, have no commercial relations. there is a precedent. it's with the united kingdom did to russia after they poisoned a former russian agent on british soil. the united kingdom enacted a whole series of intermediate sections, including dispelling diplomats, sanctioning products, they took a whole series of intermediate steps. that's what the united states

should do here. >> what about going after the billionaires question our people have the most influence. >> ari: if they were involved. >> ari: every one of them should be sanctioned. not allowed to travel to europe, and i love to travel to the united states. if you want to really hurt a rich saudi, make them stay in saudi arabia. >> harris: what so interesting, too, to wrap up -- when you were talking about the connections there, i've been reading that there was a lot of back and forth about whether or not we see the audio or the video. if it exists and we gets to see it, and that's what erdogan is going to release tomorrow because we are getting are getting dribs and drabs, if it's difficult -- and our society, especially today, it's difficult to fight it. >> kennedy: he would know what it looks like to torture and kill a journalist, wouldn't he? >> harris: we will move on. the caravan crisis continues. president trump has vibe to stop

immigrant caravan headed for the united states border. laying the blame on democrats calling them weak on board issues. meanwhile, the number of migrants reportedly swelling to above 7,000. they were at 4,000 just on for doctors a. former acting ice chief tom homan says that democrats don't want to fix the loopholes and americans failed laws. watch it. >> we know for a fact based on the reports that these cartels and smuggling organizations, they will put a lot of family units in one area. and when the assets are tied up dealing with these families, they are pushing drugs and other bad people through another part of the border grade but the vast majority of democrats don't want to fix the system. you want to give the president a win on immigration or border issues. they want to put their political hatred of this president ahead of national safety and public security. >> harris: the president tweeting guatemala, honduras, and el salvador were not able to do the job of stopping people from leaving the country and coming illegally to

the u.s. we will now begin cutting off or substantially reducing the amount of foreign aid routinely given to them. our fox news research came up with some numbers so we would know what were talking about. fiscal years 2001 to 2018, the foreign aid was $2.1 billion. honduras, $1.7 billion. el salvador, $1.7 billion. is this how you do it? >> ari: that's part of how you do it, absolutely. those nations need to realize it's not business as usual. i say that if somebody was very pro-immigration reform. aid george w. bush pro-immigration reform republican. i like to see a comp remise or agreement so we know how to handle it in this country. but you cannot have lawlessness. you can have people come here illegally. you can't have people forge their way here and get ahead of the people who are applying legally. none of this can be permitted, and donald trump's right to try and stop it. >> harris: kennedy, when you look at the numbers swelling, what does that tell us about the

situation? not one, not to come but three countries to get her border. >> kennedy: it's interesting because if you been on safari come if you're on a walking safari, you have to stick together so elephants think you are one thing. because if you are one thing they want to tacky. i think that's what has happened here. the idea that there is strength in numbers, and if a bunch of people tried to get over the border, they will have more success than an individual. like a single mother were an infant, or a family people. that's one part of it. i think the other part, honestly, is fomo. you see people watch this caravan swell and they don't want to miss out. obviously, they have a place they are going. they have a directed goal in mind. if they achieve that end their lives are better, they don't want to miss out on that. it's interesting because there is actually within the republican party, immigration restriction us like the president who is a moment right now where he is standing a lot

of passion within the republican party. there are other hooligans who see that legal immigration is good for the economy and it shows that we are in an economic upswing. how do you balance that? then you've got restriction nest -- not restriction us, resistant democrat party and all they want is amnesty and no wall. that seems to be the sticking point. all those things mutually exclusive question mike the person who can find out a way to compromise some sort of path to citizenship with the law will solve it. i don't think will happen anytime soon. >> harris: emily, on a previous topic he talked about how come the kiddie relationships are with saudi arabia and the u.s. the relationship between them are also comp located, for reasons that kennedy it listed for economic reasons. >> emily: i think we're seeing that differently than they have in past administrations, which is an emphasis on that diplomacy. also, recognition that has such a --

at that level of corruption that can't be overstated. i also want to point out briefly for readers that there has been talk based on the president's comments about putting the military at the border, whether or not it is lawful. i want to point out that there are exceptions and exclusions, and the bottom line is that if the military is providing a support and not law enforcement roles, that is when it is legal and there is lots of other aspects to it, as well. >> harris: there is precedent for that, too. when you see the military called up in the past to support the border patrol agents, they don't play that first online roll. they're kind of behind the scenes. i want to bring this up -- this is the president's most recent tweet on the matter. it says "every time you see caravan or people illegally coming or tempting to come into our country illegally, think of and blame the democrats for not giving us the vote to change our pathetic immigration laws! remember the midterm! so unfair to those who come in legally." you know, melissa, the politics of this -- 15 days out, this is an issue that the president wins

on. he understands that thirst for national security that may be other people feel like we are not quite as secure as we could be. the wall comes up. all sorts of issues. it's interesting, you see that big map of humanity heading toward our southern border. i think people look at it and see different things. whether they see families that are trying to find a better life for their children, or they see a giant threat, or they see lawlessness, or they see a mob. it's all in how the individual is seeing that. i think there are a lot of people out there on the air guessing at what people see, and this will rally this group of voters. thinking that it's a good thing for democrats, especially if the president sent someone down there who will look mean. i don't think you know what's going on in the mind of viewers, is my point. especially for people who live in southern border states. they are going to feel differently. not out of meanness. >> emily: people just assume that if they are passionate about this, everyone else does and should agree with them. but you are seeing -- it's like

a rorschach test. it's complete different intense reactions, and we don't know what's going to benefit and the midterms. there is so much that is still -- >> harris: equally as intense as people being fed along the way. you see people in these other countries coming out and supporting this caravan. they are on the backs of trucks, so on and so forth. i want to give you the last word. >> ari: to me, both parties have failed on this issue. republicans and democrats don't want to do it. the risk of the democrats now, it seems to me, is that they make no distinction between moral -- between legal immigration and illegal. the think it's all moral. they think if you want to come here, you should be allowed to come here because you come from somewhere else that is worse than here. that is not a formula for a good government. you can't have a country that treats all immigrants, legal and illegal, the same. i say that as a son of an immigrant. he came here legally. >> harris: how do the people not coming caravans get treated? it seems -- my heart goes out to those who didn't hop on the caravan but still want to come

here and want to do in a legal way. and want a future that is better than the passive they are. >> ari: part of that is that we are nature of loss for the first act you committed should not be to break the laws. >> harris: a top house lawmakers not giving a preview of what he plans to ask embattled deputy attorney rob rosenstein in a close-door interview on capitol hill later this week. we can expect, and whether rosenstein will or should it keep his job at this point. and, tensions rising ahead of the midterm elections as hecklers target more top lawmakers, including nancy pelosi, who is harassed at a florida event. new questions on how bad it has to get before everybody and dials it back. stay close. ♪ alright, i brought in ensure max protein...

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secretly recording president trump. some g.o.p. lawmakers say that former lawyer james baker told them in his interviews that he thought rosenstein was furious, and now house judiciary committee chairman bob goodlatte is demanding answers. watch. >> these are very, very serious allegations. we have all of this based upon a newspaper report, and we have 3rd-party testimony that we have heard in our investigation. we know that he has met with president trump. president trump has been satisfied and said that he wants them to continue on s's number two at the department of justice. the congress has over responsibilities, so we will ask him about those questions along with many of your things. >> do you know broad rosenstein? >> ari: not personally. >> melissa: what if you heard about him? what is your interpretation about him in washington? >> ari: i think he's in an impossible position and he's doing a good job at it. when you are the deputy

attorney general, and the attorney general has refused the most from a present was when you, you are in a jam. that's where he is. i think republicans don't put them in a deeper bigger jam is a republican, don't come out with their guns blazing as if he's done something wrong, i think they are right to hold oversight because if it was true that they discussed how to remove the president -- that's a pretty big matter. congress should look into that. but if they hear the expo nation, that they don't want to hear from rosenstein, which is that he said sarcastically -- he said "what do you want me to do, where a wire? "if that's the tone in the matter in which he said that, they should take it. i think he's going to play by andy mccabe. that's what's driving all of this. andy mccabe and his supporters at the fbi are leaking against rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general. >> melissa: that does not incle james baker, the attorney, coming out of single because i didn't think it was a joke." >> ari: i couldn't tell you

where he is on this, and i can tell you where i suspect mccabe is on this who has his reporters who see it his way. >> kennedy: i don't think rosenstein is a peach. i think they are so many conflicts of interest here, and he -- we have to apply the spider-man doctrine, here. which is "with great power, comes great responsibility." it was great response billy also comes a need for more accountability. i don't see why he would be withholding any testimony before this to house committees when they backed him repeatedly to go in answers and pretty basic questions. he has, in essence, running the department of justice. every once in a while they just jeff sessions and plop him in front of a microphone when he wants to talk about immigration. rosenstein is the one doing all the work behind the scenes, and their is so much opacity with that work. we don't necessarily know what he is doing and what he should be held accountable for. there are a lot of questions to be answered, just about the

wire. here's what i will say -- i will grant him this. rosenstein is a career department of justice guide. he is perhaps a member of the deep state. i don't know if he's a card-carrying member, but i will say this -- he must have looked to donald trump in early 2017 when he ascended to the white house thrown, "what on god's green and golden earth is this person doing in the white house, because he's so unorthodox and so course." it must have shocked the garters off of his calves. he was so terrified that maybe he did say those things. now everyone has gotten used to the president's comportment. >> harris: i am going to yield all my time to you. >> ari: can i offer, i don't think he wears garters. [laughter] >> melissa: we don't know because he won't answer any questions! >> emily: with supportive reviews to understand, will be crucial is whether or not there was inculpatory evidence was held before the fisa court.

meaning, evidence withheld as the warrant was repeated, was approved repeatedly. that would have been on the other side of it. that's number one parade secondly, the fact that depending on what happens in the midterms, this fire will refuel. it is incumbent upon it to be completed as soon as possible. right now, i think that's part of the fervor. to touch on your oversight comment, the status quo right now is that transparency is that we are expecting in terms of the american public. the process that has to go to it, or through, first actually find out what happens during this meeting, if it happens, will be kind of arduous. i think it's incumbent upon us to call for high levels of transparency, because the national security fall back, to become its 90% of it now. >> melissa: his signature is the one on the fourth renewal of the fisa warrants. that's important, right? >> harris: that support because we don't know much about it throughout every thing else. we do need to know what was said and what wasn't said to get that signature.

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been since the poll -- since he took office. the same poll found unprecedented level of enthusiasm among motors in botho november. 72% of democrats say they have a very high interest in the election, 68 68% of the republn saying the same. when it comes to the senate, politico reporting that the democrats have shifted from trying to win a majority to just trying to minimize damage with certain races they were hopeful about now appearing to fall short. the dnc chairman tom perez sounding optimistic but may be managing expectations just a bit. watch. >> you always knew that the selection was going to be close. i don't use the term "blue wave," i still have a lot of confidence in the house. a note of the senate is a tougher map, but we got great candidates. i look at these government races and see the work being done. >> kennedy: there's a lot of work be done both sides, so what happens when you have high enthusiasm and high potential

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♪ >> harris: national security advisor john bolton is in moscow for two days of meetings after president trump threatened to withdraw from a nuclear weapons treaty. that treaty was signed in 1987 by then-president ronald reagan. the former soviet leader mikhail gorbachev. they banned the use of intermediate missiles. here's president trump from the weekend. >> russia has violated their agreement. they have been violating it for many years, and i don't know why president obama did negotiate or pull out. we are not going to let them violate a nuclear agreement and go out and do weapons, and we are not allowed to. we are the ones who have stayed in the agreement, and we have honored the agreement. russia has not, unfortunately, under the agreement. so we will terminate the agreement. we will pull out. >> harris: some key

republicans are divided on this issue. rand paul urged the president not to withdraw. >> i think it's a big, big mistake to flippantly get out of this historic agreement that reagan and gorbachev signed. this was a big part of reagan's legacy, and we should not get rid of it. it was an important step. we went from 64,000 nuclear tipped missiles down to 15,000. it has been an historic agreement. i think we should do instead of getting out of it is i've asked the president and advised him privately and in public that he should appoint to nuclear negotiators. nuclear arms control negotiators, to work with the soviets. >> harris: obviously, senator paul making a bit of a slip they are referring to the russians as soviets. ari is nodding his head. >> ari: he also slipped up saying we went to 64,015,000 pray that the entire arsenal. the imf treaty covers a very small category of missiles that were deployed into western and eastern europe. this is where this goes back to. this is short-term intermediate range missiles. the civil fact is that the

russians aren't obeying the treaty, why should america be in it? the factual matter. if one party breaks the treaty, the other party should no longer recognize it. >> harris: can i ask you question? sometimes people make the comment that when this particular president looks at a treaty, it's not -- it's not the history that should be behind it. he does have the history. he does know what's going on here. what is the end goal with this president, and why are people resisting? >> ari: the history is not even as relevant. it's not the '80s anymore, which is when the soviets put ss missiles. we called them that commode called them on doing the missiles. that allowed the appointment df the missiles. we withdrew both under the treaty. it also shows in the broader discussion the people's that said latimer donald trump was n vladimir putin's pocket. that he will never stand up to russia. well, he's standing up to russi russia.

>> emily: i also want to point out that, with all due respect to rand paul, it's not flippant. i think a tolerant approach given the prior administrations with russia is what led to the act not being passed for so long, having it kind of be dead weight on the hill for quite some time. i think that will negotiation, at what point? you haven't complied with this treaty. make a mistake. here's a consequent to that. i think there's a specter between that that we are doing. >> harris: when he sees senator paul they are, is he trying to caution us? is he saying there is risk in doing away with it question what would it be? >> kennedy: i don't think you can tear up every single treaty or agreement that we have right now. treaties and agreements are obvious the very different, because there are more wasted treaties because they have been ratified within agreement like the iran agreement is just like willy-nilly thrown together all secret.

but as a big difference here, and we want to preserve the peace. that was one of the nicest things to come from president reagan's time in the white house, and his legacy. we all, as generation ex-e.r.es, thought we would die from nuclear annihilation. i don't know that they have a -- >> ari: if they are violating it, what's the value of it? >> kennedy: keeping it together until we can bring the back to the table. >> harris: that's my question, what do you free won't wipe away the treaty? was >> melissa: when you see rand paul talk about breaking nuclear negotiators to both sides, you don't bring them to the table without having a stick out there. it brings people to the table. they won't willingly show up to the table for no reason. >> harris: who do we know that is that? >> melissa: exactly. that's what he saying, take away the treaty. now there's a reason to come to the table. >> harris: protesters are taking out their anger on top

lawmakers in public, including senator mitch mcconnell who was heckled at a restaurant. it has stability been lost in the current political climate? and, could someone wind up getting hurt again? >> why don't you get out of her here? >> ditch mitch! >> [yelling] >> never before has it been more important to protect your

♪ >> melissa: tensions rising in the run-up to the midterms, senator mitch mcconnell being harassed again, this time while eating at a kentucky restaurant on friday. tmz obtained this exclusive video. >> why don't you get out of her here? [yelling] >> ditch mitch! >> melissa: a witness telling tmz the harassers slam his fist on mcconnell's table and threw his doggy bag out the door. before the video began. meantime, a group of hecklers harassing nancy pelosi outside a campaign event last week. watch. >> you don't belong here you [bleep] communist!

get the [bleep] out of here! get the [bleep] out of here! [bleep]! [bleep] nancy pelosi! >> melissa: after the incident, pelosi getting's some support from across the aisle. steve scalise tweeting "i do agree with her agenda, but this is the wrong way to express those disagreements. if you want to stop her policies, don't threaten her. vote. that's how we settle our differences." schooley's of course was nearly killed last year after being shot by a gunman who targeted lawmakers at a baseball practice. former campaign manager says that one person is to blame. >> look, our president has normalized this kind of behavior. as long as he is in office, it's meant to be the norm, unfortunately. what you think about that? >> emily: epic is a shame and, frankly, a tragedy that we have steve scalise being the one on twitter that he was shot and nearly killed. i think it's a total omarosa location to blame the president

for these kinds of acts of violence. the fact that we have to discuss whether someone is going to get hurt again, when every week, literally, a candidate is being assaulted physically or stabbed or accosted at a restaurant. which, by the way, the restaurant patrons can just friends. they ended up -- after that guy slammed his fist down, they came to his defense. i think there's levels public fatigue that, when those on the left are calling for it publicly, to get up in their face and show them your discord, that we are tired of it. because we don't want to see this happening. don't want to see that level of violence be normalized. >> harris: and the candidates themselves, some of them are saying that this is endangering everybody. a couple weeks ago. the same sort of thing. circling until you saw his competitor beto o'rourke issue a statement, the democrat in that party. which makes interesting dialogue. can we challenge our candidates and ourselves to go to that high

road, that place were steve scalise has been forced onto because of the violence against him? although, i would always argue that there are certain among us like him who would choose to be on the high road. it is an interesting place to be when you have some of the longest-term leaders -- maxine waters. some of the newcomers -- cory booker, on the side of the left coming out and saying "okay, blame the president for this, but in the meanwhile, attack when you can." they may say it's about verbal attacks, but what happens of people come together and their emotions? kennedy, you and i talk about this. the emotions well up. it's impossible to control. >> kennedy: it really is. a lot of decency just flies out the window when you detach yourself from your rational thinking brain and give into the mob. that's white so dangerous, and why people condemn statements by people like maxine waters and cory booker. even nancy pelosi. she was just talking about collateral damage, and how that

doesn't really matter. but she is essentially collateral damage in both of these protests, and i wonder how she felt when she had angry people screaming at her, cursing at her, calling her names. it's awful. you fear for your safety because you don't know how quickly it can explode. >> harris: you just don't know know. >> melissa: they want to blend the president. certainly, his language has not been great. far from it, on this particular issue. it is fair to say that both sides have really ramped up -- >> harris: you can call it out without them going low. >> ari: the fact of the president is a fighter is a good thing. but you have to know how hard and went to fight. all leaders have to make that judgment. frankly, with the present in the 2016 campaign at israeli said he would pay people's legal bills they took people out, we just regionally praise a congressman who body slammed a reporter and said that's how they like it montana, these are signals sent from the highest office. every body in public life need

to realize that this is only politics. he should go after people you don't like in politics this is not who we are as a country. everybody said -- >> harris: that they have power. that's the message. >> melissa: more "outnumbered" in just a moment.

>> ari fleischer, said it before

the show, you are one of my favorite people to have on the show because you are so clear. you come right out with it. >> old bad habit. >> thank you so much for joining us today, we really appreciate it. things to both of the ladies over there. we are back here at noon eastern tomorrow, but now here is harri harris. >> harris: fox news alert, the saudi royals are offering their condolences. president trump is leveling some criticism has new chilling details have emerged in the death of a u.s.-based journalist. let's go out numbered over time. i'm harris faulkner. saudi arabia's king and crown prince have made condolence because of the family "washington post" columnist jamal khashoggi. if they did so after claiming he died during a fistfight gone wrong in the saudi consulate in istanbul. president trump whoever said he found the saudis expedition credible now has sharpened his tone telling "the washington post" that there has been deception and lies