inches closer to our southern border. good night, everyone, thanks for being with us, tucker is up next. ♪ >> tucker: good evening, and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." for days, we have watched as a growing caravan of honduran nationals has snaked northward to our border to claim asylum here. the spectacle has been televised from the very start and has sparked an explosive political debate. another caravan of asylum-seekers, organized on social media, planning to leave from el salvador next week, heading here. you can be certain when and if that group arrives here,

red-faced cable news anchors will demand we let them in immediately, no questions asked. never mind that one-third of all salvadorans on earth already live here in the united states. it is our duty, they will tell us. once those anchors get off the air, they will return home to entirely immigrant-freeth neighborhoods feeling good about themselves. the only salvadorans they will ever meet personally are those doing their laundry for minimum wage. but ignore the hypocrisy, if yol can, stifle your personal concerns about mass immigration. people are suffering, they are telling us, and only america cao save them. if you've been watching television, you've seen pictures like this all day of desperate poverty and hopelessness. sorry about that. that was the wrong tape. that was not a slum outside, it was shot right here in orange county, california, not far from disneyland. the desperate and impoverished people on the screen you saw

were american citizens.. hundreds of thousands of them sleep on the ground every night in this country. they don't make it on cnn very often, they are just americans. their tragedy is not interesting.'t if they did laundry at $5 per hour for rich people, moral superiors might notice and care. cable news geniuses cannot be less concerned with what is happening to american citizens. which, if you think about it, kind of explains the trump phenomenon. one of the mysteries in washington is how a president with no prior political experience, who is emotionally volatile and not very articulate, remains nevertheless so very popular outside of washington. it doesn't make any sense. but of course it makes sense. trump's secret? he says things like this. >> president trump: they have a word, it became old fashion, it is called a nationalist. and i say, really, we are not supposed to use that word. you know what i am? w i am a nationalist, okay. i'm a nationalist.

>> tucker: a nationalist. in other words, a leader who>> puts his own country first. who cares about his own people most. you'd think everyone in charge of a nation would be a nationalist.u' putting the interests of your own citizens above those of citizens of other countries was once considered a prerequisite for running a democracy. not anymore. now it is considered immoral, evil, in fact. watch this. >> nationalist. use that word, we are going to talk about that word tonight. it is a favorite of the w alt-right and is loaded with nativist and racial undertones. >> he has weaponized race and nationalism and dog whistles. >> suggesting there's a dog whistle there. >> it is. it implies -- it does provoke hate activities. >> what are you trying to stay as president of the united states that you are a nationalist?t? americans know what that means. it is not a dog whistle anymore, it is a bullhorn.

>> tucker: not a whistle. it is a bullhorn. hitler was a nationalist. of course, so were mahatma gandhi and abraham lincoln and every other leader of every other nation throughout history until about 20 minutes ago. but whatever. nationalism promotes "hate h activity" says the sitting u.s. senator, all cable news geniuses say amen. >> in my lifetime, i'm not that old, a picture like that would have elicited nothing but sympathy and empathy among the american people. you see that and think oh, my god. what must be happening where those peoplee are coming from? how can we open our arms to people like that? >> these people are coming and asking for asylum. guess what, it is in our laws that people are allowed to come to our borders and ask for asylum. >> this is a moral outrage that hearkens to the worst excesses in the history of the country. the separation of families at the slave auction blocks to the separation of native american families.

>> tucker: i hope you're following that at home. immigration, it turns out, is not a civic question that american voters might be allowed to have opinions about.ue it's bigger than that. it is a moral outrage, it is a humanitarian crisis. the law is irrelevant here. so are any of your stupid, selfish concerns about thehe effect of impoverished foreigners moving into your neighborhood or your school district. the rule here is simple, listen carefully. if people from a place poorerr than america want to move to america, they get to do that. period. if you disagree or complain or do anything other than recite a poem at the bottom of the statue of liberty, you are -- your already know what you are, you've heard it a thousand times, but we will tell you again anyway. maybe this time it will penetrate. you are a racist. >> they see those pictures and are being told, fear those brown people. >> democrats are a diverseho party, republicans appeal disproportionally to older whites, and the mob thing is an attempt to alarm those motors

-- voters about the prospect of nonwhites and immigrants. >> it is demagoguery. nativism really pandering to the fears of trump supporters and fox news viewers. >> tucker: yep, you are racist, just like you were racist for opposing obamacare or not watching sunday night football or believing that brett kavanaugh did not sexually assault someone. you are a bigot until the moment you obey the democratic party, at which point you are a good person, like al sharpton or louis farrakhan. you know the drill. there is one interesting new twist in the propaganda barrage, though. fear. if you are against admitting an entire caravan of poor people to this country, it is because you have been coached by the dastardly fox news to fear the people in the caravan. but let's be honest, that is not really true. there are a lot of reasons to oppose admitting this caravanly full of people. we don't need any more low wage labor in this country, for one

thing. we also have a right to decide who occupies our property. that is always true. show up uninvited at joy reid's house and you will discover she agrees with that principle, too. there are reasons to oppose this. fear of hondurans isn't really one of them. by and large, these are not scary people.on mostly they're just poor peoplee from crappy countries who want a better life. it's understandable. nobody blames them for that. nobody is afraid of these people. what normal people are afraid of is this. >> we believe survivors! we believe survivors! we believe survivors! >> tucker: and this. >> [bleep] you. >> [shouting] >> tucker: look closely at those videos, what didn't you see in them? migrant fruit pickers from honduras. there weren't any impoverished

central american immigrants. the only work boots in those videos were from brooklyn, part of the hipster costume. they are not real. those are thoroughly american kids, kids with clean fingernails, children of privilege. those are people with four-year college degrees. some of those people teach at colleges. what you just saw was the activist left, a group about as diverse as the checkout line at whole foods. t these are not immigrants. they are far too pampered and decadent to be immigrants. these are homegrown religious extremists who believe in nothing but their own power. suddenly, people exactly like this hold congressional seats, and they host their own tv shows, and they teach at your kid's school. these are the people worth worrying about. so cool it with the lectures about fear. listen carefully, cable news geniuses, it is not impoverished peasants from central america we are afraid of. it is you. jorge ramos joins us tonight from southern mexico at the site

of the caravan. i'm really glad you're here, because i've wanted to ask you this question all day.y. in the many times we have spoken, you've explained that immigrants to the united states from central america are an net addition to our economy, america's strength. they make this a much better country. given that, why isn't mexico jumping at the chance to absorb these migrants into its economy? why is it wasting this human capital? >> well, the reality, tucker, is most of the immigrants that you see behind me, as a matter fact, they are not -- they are they are not criminals or terrorists, not even immigrants. they are refugees. they do not want to stay here in mexico, they want to go to the united states. their plan is to have a better life in the united states, and they are refugees, so i think you have to treat them with respect. we have to listen to the stories check their backgrounds, and if they apply for political asylum, go through the process. the reality, tucker, i understand what you're asking,

but the reality -- they don't want to stay in mexico. in the last 12 years, more than 200,000 people were killed in mexico, they do not want to stay here. most of them want to go to the united states, they don't want to stay here in mexico. mexico, by the way, the border between guatemala and mexico, i was there this morning, but that is probably for donald trump to think, just by the reach, you d see boats, crossing thousands of immigrants in the last few days. >> tucker: i'm confused. hold on.to hold on. okay, so you say the united states must show respect to these, what you call refugees. why doesn't mexico show them t respect? mexico is a rich country, the richest in the region. more billionaires in monterey and mexico city than there are in washington, d.c. why are they sleeping on the ground, and why haven't they been taken care of by rich mexicans of goodwill? the blue-eyed ruling class in which you are part, where are they in this? >> it is a great question, and p

i'm so glad you asked it, because mexicans, despite what you might hear in social media, mexicans have been treating these refugees with incredible generosity and with incredible solidarity. i know there are fake stories in the united states saying that these people were funded byre george soros and by democrats or by venezuela, but if they really finance these people, it was a scam. i've been talking to people here who don't have a single dollar,l tucker, to buy a bottle of water. there is no financing here.wa the politicians, they have been playing the game with donald trump. but mexican civilians have been giving all these refugees a little money, water, food, clothes. >> tucker: hold on -- i understand. okay, let me just interrupt you and say -- go ahead. >> yesterday they went 26 miles,

a marathon. many kids, hundreds of kids, tucker, that is the people of the caravan, not criminals. or terrorists. >> tucker: i think most mexicans are really nice people, i grew up next to mexico, i like them. it is the ruling class i'm asking about, the people that are some of the richest in the world, spend summers in france every year, you can speak to this, you're part of this group, where are they in this? why aren't they taking care of these people who are sleeping t on the ground? we can see them behind you. where are those people? where are the billionaires? they are good at lecturing us on moral inferiority, but where are they? >> you want to concentrate on what mexicans are doing, i told you what civilians have done in a beautiful, generous way. we have to concentrate now and what the role of the united states should be in all of these crisis. first of all, i spent two days with these refugees, and i've not seen a single person from the middle east.ay that is a lie.

and i think, tucker, you have tp tell the truth to your audience, and you don't have -- you have to make sure people are not lying about this caravan. because people from the middle east are not part of the caravan. >> tucker: okay, let me just ask -- wait, hold on. i understand -- look, i'm not there, so i can't describe the people there. you said the united states, taxpayers, me, the other 330 million american citizens, have an obligation. how many of these migrants are you taking in, personally, into your home and are supporting once they get to the united states?e >> i think that is a great question.y that is precisely the kind of question that people like you ask when you don't want to understand that it has nothing to do with individuals, it has to do with nations. what we have to understand, refugees are not a threat to the united states. i know on s fox news -- >> tucker: before you attack

fox, it's a simple question. how many are you taking in? >> they are not a threat to the united states. you know what they are saying? in the united states, please help us, you are the only one who can help us. >> tucker: i think that's right. i agree with you. i agree. >> people like you and your audience. >> tucker: hold on. what about you? >> don't lie to your audience. >> tucker: i'm not lying about -- i'm going to stop with this. >> you and fox news and president trump are saying -- >> tucker: i'm asking you a very simple question. let me just ask you, answer this question we can end on this. how many of these migrants are you personally taking responsibility for? how many are going home to jorge's place in miami? please be specific. >> well, i think this has nothing to do with individuals. >> tucker: oh. you don't have to do anything. >> i wish i could help all of them.

right now, 7,000 here, we're talking about 2500 kids, it is impossible for an individual to deal with a crisis like this. i think president trump's immigration policy -- >> tucker: have you donated money? let me ask you. have you donated money? >> i wish we could do something like that. >> tucker: i think you can.et >> if your kids were in danger of being raped or raised in poverty or being threatened with joining a gang, what would you do? >> tucker: i can count on you to stand up next to them, but not help them, i noticed. okay, thank you so much. s appreciate it.t. people are very upset about thea migrant crisis, not upset enough to help personally, but upset enough. brit hume joins us just afterll the break. is the midterm a blue wave in the making, or is it not? he's been thinking about it. we will be right back.

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♪ ♪ >> tucker: midterm election exactly two weeks from right now, everything that happens is, in effect, political at the moment. what is going to happen in two weeks? chief political analyst at fox, senior -- whatever, the biggest guy at fox. >> or senior moment. >> tucker: the caravan. i hate to make it a political question because i think it is a civic question, but it is political. what are the political effects of it? >> if you think about it from trump's point of view, here is an issue, immigration, that has not been prominent this fall, but one that he emphasized --

i'm sure he believed to great effect in 2016. so here comes this caravan. mind you, tucker, in terms of this country and what kind of threat these people pose, thesee people -- most of them will probably never get here.f they have to walk ahead of them, they already have sore feet, or most of them, you see the pictures are heartbreaking, these people, they are in pain. so they are marching up there mexico, they have at least a month to come before they can reach any part of our border, and how long it will take depends on where they go. most of them probably won't make it. so it is probably not that big of a threat in terms of a lot of people crossing the border. but it is very visual. the pictures on the screen right now illustrate. americans look at this and they see the picture of that bridge full of people, and they think what is going on here? trump is raising hell about it. this helps trump, unquestionably, in my view. a good issue for republicans. >> tucker: i wonder if democrats understandnd that. their cheerleaders andke handmaidens all day long have

been acting as if this is something everyone will agree with, america has a moral obligation to accept everyone. >> that is the problem democrats have, they think everyone agrees with them and they take their cues from elites in new york ane washington and other places, and they get on board with this stuff. there are pockets of the country where that is strong. the cities and so on. one of the things happening in this election is if you look at the generic ballot, would you rather have a democrat or republican, which party he thinks would control congress? that has been good for democrats most of this fall. it is still good on a national basis, but in the places, in the crucial races, that number is close to where it is barely a margin to the democrats at all. those are the places around the country that they will need to win to get control of the house. odds still favor that, but theyr don't favor that as much as they once did, not very many weeks ago. >> tucker: sum up the political apocalypse if democrats don't take the house back. >> oh, my lord.

oh, my lord. >> tucker: [laughs] >> you would have thought there would have been a major reassessment, but then the appointment of new leaders andnd so on after what happened in 2016, the unloseable race was lost to donald trump. it really hasn't happened. is there a generation of leaders emerging? maybe. they are hard to see now. what you see is pelosi and chuck schumer and perez and that group. the rest of these people -- joe biden is on the campaign trail, obama on the campaign trail, this doesn't look like the group of tomorrow's leaders. >> tucker: it really doesn't. if they lose, they are going to get a new set, i would say. >> the hopes in the senate have diminished, too, looks like it is not going to happen. >> tucker: brit hume, thank you very much. senior political analyst. a former aide to hillary clinton, high-ranking, defending the new tactic of screaming at people they disagree with in restaurants. he joins us next, fresh from a restaurant.

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you don't have to say i'm your best friend. that's okay. >> tucker: ted cruz has cast a vote that some democrats don't like. rather than wait until the elections two weeks from now to vote against him, some decided to scream at him and his wife in a restaurant. >> do you think that putting w a sexual assaulter on the court is a good thing for women? >> god bless you.

i believe in due process. >> why do you support a man that abuses women? shame on you, ted cruz. >> god bless you. >> shame on you, ted cruz. shame on you, ted cruz. shame on you, ted cruz. >> tucker: "shame on you, ted cruz?" changing minds and annoying travelers. that was at washington national airport. he is not the only lawmaker getting yelled that these days, mitch mcconnell recently screamed at in a restaurant, watch.ay >> tucker: you want to live in this country? of course you don't. most people are horrified by itc some people defend it, former hillary aide philippe reines said it was a made up problem. thank you for coming on. >> i wasn't defending ted cruz, that could have been republicans chanting at ted cruz, the way hc is so unpopular. >> tucker: screaming at people

in public places is not -- you can argue it's protected by the first amendment but it's not. it's not anything we should defend and it's not the country want to live in. >> the first instance of this was sarah sanders, who was in a restaurant in virginia and was ejected. s she was asked very nicely to leave. she was asked nicely more than sometimes you are nice to me in terms of questions, so i do not think that is a heavy price to pay for someone who lies with impunity every day to the american people. >> tucker: so you work for hillary clinton, whose husband was credibly accused of rape accused of rape by someone with all kinds of contemporaneous -- >> but that is not what we're here for. >> i'm just saying he was accused of rape. why should he be allowed to be in a restaurant? how would you feel about that?

>> nobody was protesting sarah sanders' mother. it was sarah sanders. >> tucker: because she works for a guy she doesn't like. >> she doesn't have to work b there, she has free will, it is an honor and privilege to work there. she chooses every day to lie to the american people. people are seeing public officials, and they don't see any accountability. they are thinking to themselves --- >> tucker: we've got elections elections. >> elections are two weeks. at what point is this okay? 100 days ago -- i'm not the angry mob, 100 days ago i started a protest outside the white house.e. as loyal viewers know that i couldn't hurt a fly. donald trump is trying to shut that down because he doesn't want protesters outside. >> tucker: okay. i guess the point i'm making, is it okay, or do things start to fall apart -- >> i will tell you what's not

okay. >> since donald trump has been sworn in, not one of those days has he said we have to dial down the rhetoric that i would tell you what he did say. the last few days -- i will tell you what i saw. he specifically -- we are not in power. in the last week, -- >> tucker: no, because -- all the robots that finally you are doing this. ten people have been yelled at, all conservatives. is that okay with you? >> i'm okay with sarah sanders, secretary nielsen, and mitch mcconnell. yes, mitch mcconnell was more in danger of salmonella in that restaurant than he was -- >> tucker: so if hillary clinton was in a restaurant, and i walk up to her -- she leaves -- >> there is a difference between being "unpleasant" and "okay." if you are protesting, you are disagreeing. if i separated children from their parents and i wentfr to dinnerra at a mexican restauran,

i would realize --li >> tucker: how about if i endorse third term abortions? there are lots of things i disagree with that i find repugnant you support. >> you are not a public figure. >> tucker: is it okay to scream at nancy pelosi until she leaves the restaurant? the answer is no, it is not okay, it is never okay. >> she was walking out of a fund-raiser the other day -- you don't see any of us -- >> tucker: if i said, "nancy pelosi, i will yell at you until you leave because you support a policy i disagree with," i think a normal person would say -- >> you are creating a hypothetical. that's not what happened. in the last ten days, george soros for the first time in his presidency, and the guy had a pipe bomb in his mailbox last night. we are talking about whether or not sarah sanders gets her -- you think it is a coincidence? >> tucker: because they criticized george soros?

[laughs] no, because george soros. i'm laughing because the difference between trump and george soros. i've criticized him a thousand times. >> we are not donald trump. >> tucker: elected leaders are not allowed to criticized george soros? >> if there is an angry mob, if we have gone from coconut juice and soy to angry mob and everyone is so worried about violence, why is donald trump said -- not said everyone needs to dial it down. he's never said it. >> tucker: mob. you are racist! racist! [laughs] >> he calls the democrats an angry mob. >> tucker: they are an angry mob. >> it is catchy. he has no interest in -- it is his responsibility. >> tucker: democratic party keith ellison has been accused of abusing an ex-girlfriend, she has gone public and she will tell us the story next and what happened to her after she did.

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>> tucker: two weeks from now, dnc deputy chairman keith ellison may become the attorney general of the state of minnesota. this despite allegations of abuse that have been leveled at him by his ex-girlfriend, karen monahan. karen monahan is a liberal. she is a democrat, but she has also complained about the poor treatment she has received from fellow democrats she was bold enough to go public with her allegations. has anything changed in the weeks since she said that? karen monahan and her attorney, andrew parker, join us tonight. thank you both for coming on. >> thank you, tucker. >> thank you. >> tucker: karen, you said publicly that since coming forward with your claims against keith ellison, that you were in effect blacklisted by fellow democrats. can you describe what you meant when you said that? >> well, i think if you look at social media, if you see some of the letters that have been

written, that basically say they don't believe me. the folks who have signed on, it is pretty apparent. there has been a lot of bullying, there has been a lot of harassment. isolation. by many folks that i stood side-by-side with, supporting them in their campaigns, walking with them in various protests, worked together on different issues around social justice. >> tucker: that is not the reception that people who say they are survivors of abuse expect they are going to get from the left, from democrats. were you surprised by it? >> no. i watched the #metoo movement, i've watched both sides basically take women's pain and

use it as a tool for politics. and once it came to one side or to the other, you would see the same people start pushing away from it and saying stuff like, let's talk about the real issues. this is a real issue. >> tucker: andrew parker, do you think the democratic organization in minnesota investigated this in a legitimate way? these claims? >> no, it wasn't legitimate at all. any objective review of it would reach the same conclusion. the democratic national committee kicked it to the dfl party in the state of minnesota, who hired their lawyer to investigate their candidate for attorney general. not just their candidate, tucker, for attorney general, but across the left, for the democratic party, a leader of the progressive movement, not just in minnesota, but nationally. the vice chair of the democratic national committee is who they

were investigating, and they hired their own lawyer, not an outside, independent lawyer, their own lawyer, and a law firm that raised over half a million dollars for democratic candidates and over $50,000 for keith ellison himself. >> tucker: that is not legitimate. karen, you have said, allegedly, there is a video that shows you being dragged off the bed by keith ellison, him swearing at you. does that video exist? >> yes. >> tucker: will the public have a chance to see it? >> the public will not have a chance to see it. that is my pain, and for something like that, for everyone to look at and oogle over, something that was very traumatizing for me, absolutely not. i would not allow the public to see it. if and when i decide to show it to somebody, it will be in my time.

this is a process. and just to find the courage to come out and break my silence, as i said, knowing the backlash that i would get and knowing that this is a journey that i would walk pretty much on my own, it took a tremendous amount of courage. and i have to face the same fears that so many others who have been victimized faced when they decided to either share their story or not share their story. it is also the same kind of fear that many people who actually know about the situation, have known about it long before i ever shared -- went public with it -- why they sit silent. or they are afraid to show public support. many have been bullied and intimidated, if they did come out and show any kind of public support, and i grappled with that same fear.

the fear of isolation, the fear of being re-victimized. >> tucker: that is what you are not supposed to feel, according to the people that are making you feel that way. thank you both for joining us. i appreciate taking the time to talk to us and tell us what happened. >> thanks. >> thank you so much. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: once again, infuriated the left this time by defending science. we thought the left was for science, but it turns out they are not, and if you are, you are a bad person. that is a topic covered at some length in "ship of fools," you can purchase it online. - in a crossfit gym, we're really engaged with

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>> tucker: federal law prohibits gender discrimination at various federal programs, offers special loans to female business owners, congress sets rules for how women need to be treated in the workforce and universities. dozens of government agencies exist in part due to the long-standing presumption that men and women are biologicallyno distinct. they are different. the trump administration, in the spirit of all of that, wants to define gender on a clear, scientific basis,sc but is running into headwinds, politically, in trying to do that. tammy bruce joins us tonight to respond., let me just ask you, what happens to women if the definition of sex, of gender, becomes up to the discretion of the individual? >> well, your opening comments made that pretty clear. we have a scientific framework that recognizes women and men. as a woman who has workede most of my adult life for the welfare of women, that is important. we are important, we lead different kinds of lives, our

life experiences are different, subject to different kinds of violence, sexual violence, et cetera. it is important, but the important thing, also, is when it comes to government and law,s is something iso actually administratable. that something is clear. that something is defined -- and of course, science, as they left always tells us, is important, and a distinctive framework of how we make decisions bear the problem here is that barack obama created a framework where, for title ix, people would be judged and placed in a framework based on what they simply claimed. i think the transgender issue is a serious one. people go through serious life changes. chelsea manning just posted a twitter photo with her having surgery. we know, of course, caitlyn jenner has. it is a serious issue. what we are looking for with the government, especially as a gay woman, if you're looking for the

government and the reaction to this change has been remarkable.ng to confirm your values, or your existence as a person, we are all in trouble. the government is not the place to get that. right now, any kind of rule, i think, for the government has to be something that helps an administrative framework like title ix in recognizing the difference between men and women, while transgender individuals, of course, this doesn't erase them, it means the relationships with themselves and the medical community and how they identify -- is personal, and they can work through the system within that framework. >> tucker: yeah, it is not an attack on anyone to start to worry that maybe women are about to be hurt in this. we talk it through rationally, and i'm glad you helped us do that. >> exactly. >> tucker: tammy, thank you. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: getting into harvard is tough for anybody, and it is harder for some. it depends on your skin color, t to a large extent. we know that because of documents related to a

discrimination lawsuit by asian-american students. it shows the university has been reading its policies. university leaders who want a significantly less asian student body. it is hard to believe, that is happening today. jason hill, philosophy professor at depaul university, opposes the admission practices of harvard. jason, thank you for joining us. a lot of us grew up knowing about the discrimination of the harvard admissions department, believing they were no longer in existence, only to discover that they are, and that harvard is defending them, even caught using them. what is this? >> well, i think there is no other word to describe it than "nefarious." any institution that uses race explicitly as a way -- explicitly uses race with such zeal as the way of excluding w persons from their institutions,

it is plain evil. what makes it even more nefarious is that we are talking about a group that has achieved the highest academic record, the highest s.a.t. scores, but has the lowest admission rate among any racial group. s this makes it even more nefarious, and i think the word that comes to my mind is "evil" here. >> tucker: if you are telling kids, and we do tell kids, all through young adulthood, too their teen years in high school, get the highest grades and test scores, those of the criteria that will be used to judge you. and it turns out that is a lie. it makes all of us kind of cynical, doesn't it? this fake meritocracy? >> it goes in the face of what is the american dream, which is meritocracy, going by fairness, going by working hard, not judging people by race, by ethnicity.

judging people based on talent, merit, sheer grit, and tenacity. what harvard is saying is that there are other criteria we are going to judge you by. extraneous criteria. anything that you exhibit, such as talent and merit, we are actually going to discount those and use them against you. when we have a model group that aspired to the best of virtues that america can offer, such as grit, tenacity, and hard work, and display those to the american people, we say we are going to discount those, and we are going to use them against you. i think that is very, very unfair. >> tucker: they believed in our values, and we punish them for it, it is very sad. thank you, professor. >> thank you. >> tucker: he hosts the most popular television show in the a.m., he has written a a buh of best-selling books. he can probably make 30 minute brownies in 5 minutes, brian kilmeade joins us after

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♪ >> tucker: time now for "the friend zone," we bring one off our favorite people at fox, honored to be joined today by one of the cohost of "fox & friends," ," the great brian kilmeade. his new book, "andrew jackson and the miracle of new orleans," sold so well, now in paperback, and we are proud to be the forum in which he announces that.ra brian, all of this drama going on, you spend a lot of time thinking about andrew jackson and studying his presidency, what are the lessons from jackson that we can apply to this moment? how would he react to the drama we are living through?ro >> straight ahead, very similar to trump. if that is one of the amazing things, i can say "locked out," when you write about history, worry about being relevant. people like you and i, like politics, like history, a lot of our audience does.

i did not know that trump was going to run, let alone win,ry and be so compared -- and accurately -- to andrew jackson. he put his portrait up in the oval office. i had no idea his tomb would be defiled for the first time since his death because andrewd jackson is being reevaluated. the previous president wanted him off the 20. we can ever justify slavery, but he had slaves, we cannot justify some of the battles he had with indians, but some were to win the war of 1812. having done that, he was a success story. in the afterward, i have lincoln, teddy roosevelt, harry truman, ronald reagan, all looked up to him and said, i can learn from this guy. i'm amazed today that we are having trouble finding relevant, good things about andrew jackson, a 13-year-old orphan who ended up a two-term president. that is the american story. >> tucker: one of the toughest people ever to hold the office,

i think, by popular claim. >> he shot people in duels, he had a bullet in him his entirel life, he suffered from dysentery, 6'1", 140 pounds, brought up in the backwoods, there were no social programs to prop him up. he found a way, he didn't blame -- became a self-taught lawyer, judge, senator, a militia general, one of the most consequential battles, including the battle of new orleans, that any american general has everyone met, and getra this, he didn't go to west point. he did not learn his leadership from his father. he learned it from being raised by his town, his county, his country, and he bled red, white, and blue, and lived to pay back the country for what they did to him, give him a shot at life. in no other country could have done anything. he was one of the original american success stories, even if you didn't like some of his policies.am >> tucker: amazing. this is why the book has sold a number of copies it has. it is a great story and a great account of an amazing life. brian, thank you very much.

the great brian kilmeade. >> go get them, tucker, thanks. >> tucker: that is it for us tonight, amazing how fast that went. we will be back tomorrow night, at 8:00, to the show that is the sworn enemy of mine, pomposity, smugness, and a group we will be back tomorrow, but in the meantime, sean hannity is live from new york city.y. >> sean: great show, tucker, as always. so much breaking news tonight. welcome to "hannity." tonight, that caravan continued to march north, picking upng steam, it is growing in numbers, it is getting exploited by dangerouss, individuals trying o sneak across our southern border. the security concern is dire. sara carter has been tracking this caravan from the ground. she will join us in moments with a live report, and she believes the fact that ms-13 is among the crowd. we have other news on that front, and coming up, will break down the serious risk in play here. and just who is organizing this caravan? we will also reveal tonight how democrats, they are completely ignoring this looming situation. in other words, they are taking