the newest and weirdest beauty trending. that looks horrible. temporary tooth polish chrome will set you back 20 bucks. last up to 24 hours. great for halloween. jillian: i can see if you have a costume but yikes. have a good day. rob: happy thursday. >> any acts of unrest of political violence are an attack on our democracy itself. >> huntington is on for a suspect who is behind the wave of suspicious panels sent to prominent democrats. >> the president called for unity as john brennan pointed the finger directly at the president. >> we want all sides to come together in peace and harmony. >> donald trump, too often, has helped insight some of these feelings of anger. >> you should never make those personal. and you should never think that via lynn's is a way to settle our political differences. >> mexico call officials say

the caravan is dwindling with hundreds sick and exhausted. there are about 3600 left in the march with a thousand miles to go. >> people rushing across the border and overwhelming the border patrol, i can't imagine anything that would be a better argument for the wall. >> this will be the election of the caravan, kavanaugh, law and order, tax cuts, and common sense. steve: right to a fox news alert. a nationwide man huntington intensifying for the person or persons behind the string of suspicious packages sent to prominent democratic leaders. ainsley: the targets include the obamas, the clintons, and possibly joe biden none of the devices went off thank goodness and nobody was hurt. brian: president trump calling for unity and vow talking catch the person or persons responsible. the reasonable why it could be person or persons the packages look remarkably similar. say it's got to be the same person or at least on the

same page. steve: todd piro is in the newsroom with the latest on the investigation. todd? todd: right now authorities are searching for a package reportedly addressed to joe biden because it is similar addressed to other democratic officials. of the package was originally sent to biden's old address in delaware but returned to sender. so far no indication of anything actually being found at biden's home. we are also getting a look at the package sent to cnn. the a.p. reporting made from pvc pipe. they think one personal or group is responsible for these packages. the fbi director saying this is the agency's top priority with most of the devices being analyzed right now at the fbi lab at quantico. you can see how widespread these targets are. threats made against the obamas, d.c. home. the clinton's new york home, cnn and others. here is arkansas congressman rick crawford on a possible

motive. >> probably designed to get attention it was designed to be indicate. while it may be a device that could function, i think it was designed more than anything to strike fear in the hearts of those people who they were intended to target. not necessarily to kill them. >> the fbi said it is possible more packages were mailed, so law enforcement remains on high alert this morning. security is tight in new york city with the national guard at bridges, tunnels, and airports and extra police at media organizations. steve, ainsley, brian. steve: all right, todd, thank you very much. brian: remains to be seen whether these bombs actually were made to go off or just to intimidate. they are similar in that they were filled with shards of glass. ainsley: glass and powder. can you see on all the newspapers front page all addressed to these different political individuals. all of them liberal or democrats.

prominent individuals. they all had the return address of debbie wasserman schultz. brian: misspelled. ainsley: lives down in florida. each had a small battery 6 inches long packed with glass and powder, made from pvc pipes, covered with black tape and the labels look the same. all of them had six forever stamps. steve: exactly. on the front page of the "new york times," the fourth paragraph it says none of the devices harmed anybody. and that really is 8 mail bombs. none of them went off. ainsley: thankfully. steve: none of the devices harmed nibble and not clear whether any could have. one law enforcement official said examine examining the possibility they were hoax devices that were constructed to look like bombs but would not have exploded. brian: started with george soros on monday and we know what happened yesterday. meanwhile, the president of the united states had a rally last night. he also spoke before his opioid conference and both times alone the first lady he addressed these bombs

that came in the mail. >> my highest duty as you know as president is to keep america safe. the federal government is conducting an aggressive investigation and we will find those responsible and we will bring them to justice. any acts or threats of political violence are an attack on our democracy itself. we want all sides to come together in peace and harmony. the media also has a responsibility to set a civil tone and to stop the endless hostility and constant negative and oftentimes false attacks and stories. have to do it. [cheers and applause] ainsley: he made a good point. he also said if you have a disagreement, settle it the right way. settle it in a peaceful way

at the ballot box. go and vote. brian: steve scalise was gunned down practicing baseball by a bernie sanders supporter. we know about maxine waters calling to go after and harass trump officials. we know about eric holder saying when they go high we kick them. ainsley: hillary clinton saying you can't have civility. brian: it all plays into this. steve: nonetheless, even though it is not known who sent these devices through the mail, there were a number of people on television over the last 12 hours or so who knew how to blame. and that would be the president. >> if you look at who they have targeted so far, it's almost like they are following donald trump's twitter feed. >> we have a president who has talked for a couple of years now about imprisoning his political rival in hillary clinton who has encouraged violence against the media. >> we are in a era now where violence seems to have

precedence in the president of the united states. >> rhetoric. >> this is what happens when the president calls you the enemy of the people. >> we did not hear the president accept any bit of responsibility for something that he and his supporters do and lead. >> donald trump, too often, has helped to incite some of these feelings of anger, if not violence. brian: if you want to look at john brennan's tweets you would wonder how settling he has been been and the role he may have played in all of this. ainsley: he was working at cnn or he does have a job at cnn. that he was why that bomb was sent to him at cnn. time warner. brian: was he working at cnn. misspelled his name and sent this there he works for msnbc. ainsley: you are right he does work for msnbc. steve: everybody knows when i send somebody to white house or congress or to somebody who works on television, there is a screening, you know, facility in the case of government officials off campus or there is somebody who is in your mail room who

goes through these things. so the people that these were addressed to never really opened them. nonetheless, we don't know who sent them. ainsley: someone crazy sent them and eric trump was on with sean hannity last night and reminding everyone neither the democrats or the republicans are to blame for this. this is a crazy person. this is someone who has lost their mind. someone that is able to do this is not right in the head. and he reminded us of that on hannity last night. listen. >> these people should be hunted down and they should be thrown in jail for a very, very long time. it's that simple. it doesn't matter which party it is. hey last year i had white powder sent to my house. don had white powder sent. the white powder blue up in my wife's face. they caught the guy and threw him in jail. they need to do the exact same thing to this personal. hunt this person down and throw this person in jail and throw away the key. honestly the lack of civility is unreal. this isn't the country infantry we are.

this isn't who we are. brian: rick hawaiian is a retired fbi expert. he says they will be caught if a couple weeks. the surveillance outside these cameras that we have everywhere. steve: post office. brian: are going to help unmask who this person is. steve: we will talk to sarah sanders live at 8:30 to get the latest. according to elle universal, which is a mexican news outlet there are 14,000 people now in this caravan although the united nations is estimating it at 7200 something like 500 of them decided to drop out and took bus rides back home. a number and yesterday the number was, according to i believe "the washington post," 1700 had asked for asylum in mexico. ainsley: alex mess, the group that organizeds caravan in april. is he also involved in these

caravans. he said some of them are not going to make it to the united states. some of them will hunker down in mexico. 1700 seeking asylum there. go to different spots on the border. some of them have kids nut united states and this will go to different places to try to get. in they will disburse. he will estimating 10,000 in the first caravan. he said they are not all going to try to make it to the united states. brian: they are still about 1,000 miles away. doing about 45 miles a way. starting to eye these trains where they hop on top and come barreling into our border. the president of the united states is worried about it but plans on taking action. >> the democratic party is openly encouraging caravan after caravan of illegal aliens to violate our laws and break into our country. [crowd boos] >> when our country trip is assaulted by thousands and thousands of people marching, and they openly say we're going to go into the country, we can't do that it's unfair to you but

it's also unfair to thousands and thousands of people that have gone through a legal process some waiting in line 10 years. everything is perfect. they don't get in. but they march right in. it won't happen. you watch. it won't happen. we can't let it happen. steve: the president also said anybody who crosses will be sent right back. apparently the administration has not yet settled on a plan for what happens if 10,000 people show up, but the president has also made it very clear, he said you know what? i will use the military if i have to. brian: steve, what you just said is aspirational. that's what he hopes. there is no proof that we can turn them around. we don't have enough judges. we don't have enough people. they are going to get processed, they are going to get through. everybody gets through. we have 1,000 apprehensions a day even without the caravan. right now the laws do not allow us to send them back. if they are from central and south america. ainsley: i agree with you, brian. they know the laws too down

there. they at aware if they put a foot on american soil catch and release. brian: one the laws here is to to jillian. jillian: police questioning a man killing two people at kroger supermarket. gregory bush charged with murder after police say he killed one person inside the store and one in the parking lot near louisville, kentucky. >> some people started running. and they said he's shooting, he's shooting. i went to get down on the ground in the store shopping. you don't think of something like this is going to happen. jillian: witnesses say the killings could be racially motivated. cia director gina haspel set to brief president trump today on the death of jamal khashoggi back from turkey where she reportedly listened to the audio recording of the apparent brutal murder inside the saudi consulate. claimed killed during a fight. though the crown prince is

calling it a heinous act. a broadway show lighting up the florida gubernatorial debate. democrat andrew gillum firing back at claims fbi agent gave him hamilton tickets. >> i did go and see hamilton. i arrived at the theater and received my tickets from my brother. but i take responsibility for not having asked more questions. but, let me tell you, i'm running for governor. in the state of florida we have got a lot of issues. in fact we have 99 issues and hamilton ain't one of them. ainsley: records obtained by the tampa bay times show a former lobbyist sent a text to andrew gillum in 2016 saying quote mike miller and the crew have tickets for us for hamilton tonight at 8:00 p.m. miller was an undercover fbi agent investigating corruption in tallahassee where gillum is the mayor. that's a look at your headlines. send it back to you. steve: he got the tickets from an fbi guy. ainsley: he says his brother. brian: we don't care but the fbi might. how the stopped caravan of

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>> as we speak the democratic party is openly encouraging caravan after caravan of illegal aliens to violate our laws and to break into our country don't

worry about it folks, you have nothing to worry about. brian: president trump lashing out at democrats as caravan of migrants edges closer and closer to our border. ainsley: next guest warning that a so-called deep state is actively working wednesday president trump and his tough border policies. brian: president of the national border patrol council brandon judd is here to explain. are you going to tell me all border patrol higher ups and the lower are not on the same page to secure the border? >> well, what we know is back in march of 2016 when border patrol agents endorsed president trump there was a huge backlash from management within the agency in fact the deputy commissioner at the time in march and this was witnessed by several individuals, he called me and asked me to rescind my endorsement. that person has since been the political appointee of the president. we know they just didn't support the president. if you look at the current situation under the flores

settlement agreement we have to release children within 20 days unless we send them to state licensed facilitie facilities. there is nothing in the settlement agreement that says we can't send parents to state licensed facilities as well. that's what the agency should have been working on all the way back in 2017. ainsley: let me get this straight. someone now appointed by the president to work on this very issue, he did not support the president? >> he did not. and, again, in march of 2016. brian: who is it? >> commissioner mac alanen is not even on the same page as the president right now and has the most powerful position there is. >> when you look at it, i'm floored that that happened, again, that's the politics of the issue. unfortunately, the person that chose commissioner mac it's lan was noit'smaclan.

>> brave to come out with this information right now. let's talk about what the president what the options are. if these migrants know all they have to do is cross the border. bring a child with them, claim asylum and they get into our country and like brian has always said they can take off their devices on their legs and go free, only 2% are showing up for their court hearings. what's to say that all 100 percent of this group is not going to try to claim asylum and do that very thing when they get to the border? >> that's the trend right now. if you look back in april of this year, the first caravan that was organized, they came and they played a high stakes game of poker with the united states government. the president said that all of those people would be held in custody pending their asylum or deportation proceedings said no they are not going to. they organized this caravan. they came across the border illegally and we did in fact release them. that has spurred a new caravan but this caravan is

much larger. brian: brandon judd said we can't stop them and people in the organization don't care. that's unbelievable. brandon judd, thank you. ainsley: thanks, brandon. >> thank you. ainsley: 20 minutes after the top of the hour what do wisconsin voters think of president trump's. rachel campos-duffy asked the crowd last night. she is going to join us live. and we've grown substantia. so i switched to the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy. and last year, i earned $36,000 in cash back. that's right, $36,000. which i used to offer health insurance to my employees. my unlimited 2% cash back is more than just a perk, it's our healthcare. can i say it? what's in your wallet?

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latest. brian: in fact, what we will do is split the screen with it remember how yesterday's started. we'll find out around 9:30 that something was going on with the clintons and it was screened out before had a chance to arrive. the day before it was george soros and they got to his mailbox with this package that didn't detonate nor do we believe blasting cap. yesterday afternoon we find out about the maxine waters package. we found out about the brennan package. we found out debbie wasserman schultz was on the return of just about everyone's. and then you think what happened today? what is going on in tribeca and downtown? and were all these packages mailed out at the same time? they just get to these places at different times? ainsley: i don't know. everyone is on high alert. yesterday when we were all getting news alerts of another suspicious package being fiewnsd here. another one there. you heard sirens all around the city of new york, which is completely normal. steve: sure. ainsley: when you are learning about this news and hear the sirens, everyone on the sidewalk was looking around just to see is it this area? where are they going?

we are all on high alert now. steve: we certainly are that's why when there is news of a suspicious package given the fact that down in that particular neighborhood there are a number of prominent very famous celebrities who live there. we're just keeping an eye on what is going on down in lower manhattan. there you can see right there zoom in. figure out what's going on. brian: if you are looking to line up the critics of the president. the ones that were lined up yesterday certainly are in that lineup with brennan and holder and president obama and hillary clinton. and then you think downtown the man who started the tribeca film festival is robert de niro, no one more direct or more via plenty in his language than robert deniro. ainsley: that's all speculation. we don't know who is being targeted here or related to those suspicious packages that have been sent out to the lawmakers. steve: we have reporters enroute and producers and we will try to figure that out. in the meantime, let's switch gears. president trump last night

rallied supporters in wisconsin with only 12 days left before the midterms. >> this will be out election of the caravan, kavanaugh, law and order, tax cuts, and common sense. that's what it is. [cheers] brian: fox news contributor rachel campos-duffy attended last night's rally in her home state to see what the people of wisconsin had to say. rachel, it was tough for a rally. usually the president let's it rip not in the light of what was happening leading up to that rally. how far did he handle it? >> first of all, good morning to all of you. so nice to be with you this early in the morning. he kind of joked about it couple times where he said, you know, i usually say you are a liberal socialist. and today i'm going to say you are a liberal socialist. so today he kind of joked about how he had to keep his tone down. that he was on his best behavior. definitely he was keeping fund control in light of what was happening.

ainsley: he says the media has a responsibility to stop reporting fox news. if you disagree you can peacefully disagree at the ballot box. what do people in the audience think about him being there and think about his speech? >> well, the energy was so palpable. by the way, it was a who's who of wisconsin politics. powerful ryan was there scott walker. reince priebus flew in. this was my husband's home district. he was there senator ron johnson. shear a clip from some of the rock star politicians in wisconsin that i ran into. >> yeah, this is purely an act of terrorism. i was pleased what the president had to say today. justice will be done. we have to find these people responsible and hold them responsible. this is an act of terrorism in our democracy. we need to have a vibrant and civil dialogue 'how to make this country better. and this, there is no place for this kind of terrorism. >> any alleged attempt out there of terrorism against any american is an attempt against all of us.

we stand united republicans and democrats to say we will always stand against terrorism no matter who it is against, we are americans first. >> a lot of the the people i spoke to in the crowd by the way, ainsley, brian, and steve, they said, listen, conservatives are the ones who really know what it feels like to have that kind of hate going at them whether it's on college campuses. people also in the crowd complained to me that outside of a rally like, this they felt unsafe wearing their trump gear. so, that tells you a little bit about the political environment out there. brian: i know governor walker has his hands full. he is trailing in most polls, he has always surprised people when it came to voting day. rachel, thanks so much. ainsley: thanks, rachel, good to see you. >> you got it. steve: meanwhile straight ahead on this thursday morning, remember when hillary clinton said this. >> you cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for. steve: well, yesterday she had a different message and dan bongino says it could be

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this they are going to gather fingerprints. what's the next step to ensure we catch this person who is behind these suspicious packages. >> the secret service has a pretty detailed memorandum of understanding with the fbi. they don't investigate these assassination attempts or things like this for obvious reasons. if it were to say expose a hole in the security plan, which this didn't, by the way. the secret service did great, they don't want the secret service investigating. so the fbi will most likely be looking at one of the things that i think is going to be a give away here guys, and ainsley, is the label. you know, when i was doing fraud cases, specifically counter fitting, one of the things we had -- we investigate is called p notes, computer printed fake money. it will leave a certain signature in the printing. so i believe the printed labels are going to give away some incredible clues as to where and what type -- at minimum what type of printer that was that will be one of the big clues in addition to fingerprints. it leaves a signature on it. brian: dan, what about the

facilities? you say to yourself how does something get delivered to the clintons? you go back to those facilities? how does something get delivered to washington, d.c.? what path would it take? and then the video cameras outside. i'm wondering on government buildings, is there a standard that we could count on that might reveal who dropped this off? >> yeah, the process here, whether it was courier or u.s. mail. this person is going to be caught. if it was a courier, he had to obviously pay a courier or someone to do it. they are going to know who the courier was paid by. if it was u.s. mail, the tracking systems have gotten elaborately better since the anthrax scare. they are going to find that out as well. brian, let me say as well, outside of the picks labor relation and things on the printer, there are other clues as well on these items that are very difficult to stop. especially with what looks like about nine devices now.

fingerprints. it's almost impossible to keep a fingerprint, especially with the use of, remember, guys, all that packing tape. that's how you get fingerprints. you use tape and powder. it's going to be really difficult to keep the clues out. the devices didn't detonate which is another interesting thing by the way. steve: let's talk a little bit about that. by the way for the folks who are watching right now across we are spright the screen with dan and looking at lower manhattan where there has been a call to the police where apparently there is some sort of suspicious package whether or not it is a prominent american we are keeping an eye on that. dan, going back to your point about none of them exploited. the "new york times" said one law enforcement official said investigators examining the possibility that they were hoax devices that were made to look like bombs but were not exploded. what does that mean. >> this makes all the sense in the world what you just

said. let me just get this out because there is no easy way to explain this. when you are this amateur and these devices are amateurish at best. show all the hallmarks of somebody who had absolutely no idea what they were doing. one of the things you see in incidents like this in the past, when you are so amateur the bomber typically blows himself up or, there will be some kind of a signal they let out. they blow up something in an apartment they are constructing, people call the cops. anyone who has experience in this has seen that before. you don't see this. no one called the cops, no one obviously busted this guy or woman in advance. so, you have these two contrasting bits of information. it's so rookie and amateurish. but then on the other hand, they were delivered and didn't detonate showing some degree of precision which says to me that they were intentionally amateurish. it was someone who knew what they were doing and chose to not have them go off. in other words, to

terrorize -- still is going to terrorize people no doubt about that. but there is something about this that makes absolutely no sense. you can't be amateurish but then have these devices, all of them not go off and nothing happen beforehand. brian: misspelled debbie wasserman schultz's last name. misspelled brennan's last name. got the wrong network when it comes to brennan and no blasting cap in the package to cnn. steve: by the way what we are looking at now is looking at a police vehicle. we believe whatever the suspicious package was, it is in that vehicle. apparently a call went out at 375 greenwich street in lower manhattan. the police say this is an office building, not a residence. no one is being displaced. ainsley: looks like it's been tracked to tribeca grill owned by robert deniro. steve: the address of high becca films as well and the restaurant as well. could that be another one of these devices? we're waiting for a

statement. ainsley: who are sent these devices if they didn't know the person's home address they would send it to what they thought maybe was their place of business. so maybe that was for robert deniro. steve: a lot of these things went to the offices. ainsley: correct. steve: various prominent democrats. we do understand in addition to george soros' home one of the devices went apparently to the home of hillary clinton. ainsley: dan, this vehicle, i don't know if you can see it on your screen, what type of vehicle would that be that would carry away a suspicious package? >> dan: are you talking to me ainsley? ainsley: yes. >> dan: usually reinforced in the under belly see the angle where the carriage is and meant to deflect any kind of explosive force upward not to the driver of the vehicle. these are serious, serious explosives, they are still going to obviously cause a big rattle. it's the only way to transport these types of devises. they will bring them up to

in the bronx, an area i'm familiar with the nypd i trained with when i was a cop. probably not going to detonate these devices oddly enough. they are just a bevy of conclusives as to who the bomber may have been. remember, all of these explosive devices leave signatures. the initiators, hour they did it how they put it together. how they constructed it. there are clues everywhere. you don't usually see this by the way. you don't usually see some undetonated devices in an incident like this. ainsley: what do you think of that? >> that this guy was either an extreme amateur or he weighs an extreme professional pretending to be an amateur who didn't want these devices to go off. that's really the only thing that makes sense. guys, who puts that kind of type on a mail bomb, the type, the big letters? the big letters are meant to draw attention. it doesn't make any sense. this whole thing was meant to obviously i object expire terror. it is sick. i don't think they were meant to go off.

brian: you said it doesn't make any sense but it does make sense in one way. because we know exactly who everyone is targeted. my goodness we have a camera leaving with what seems to be a package bomb, even though it might not have been any blasting material. suspicious package. we are watching it addressed to robert deniro, as eric holder and john brennan as hillary clinton as barack obama as maxine waters. debbie wasserman schultz was in 2016. so the message is being sent. you know, on, you know, we don't like the way you are treating the president. if that is the message of the maligned character that did this, we get it. then it comes down to the. who you have the ws. who, what, when, why, how. the who is the most important one in this case because you need motive. you need some kind of motive. you need to determine why they did what they did. listen, it's clear there is a pattern here, anyone ignoring that is just

putting a blindfold on, the question is why is there a pattern? nobody knows that as of this point. they are going to have to narrow this down. i think it's going to be a matter of just days until they have this person. you know, the unabomber case which took a long time. remember, he was tactically strategic. he waited a very long time and he learned from the construction of each device. that's not what happened here you have a bevy of unexploded bombs that they can all analyze for information no. way the person who did this was able to scrub it of all the evidence. no way. ainsley: this latest package there is no way out mail service would have delivered it this morning. do you think someone was at the restaurant opening the mail early this morning and saw that suspicious package? >> yeah, that sounds likely. even if it was a private courier, nobody does that at 6:42 eastern time. nobody is there businesses don't open until 9:00. steve: the key is, this is another device, apparently, a suspicious package delivered to robert deniro's

building where he has businesses. that did not explode, dan, it did not explode. in the "new york times" this morning, regarding this, you know, nobody knows at this point who did it, apparently, but the "new york times" writes some bomb technicians who studied photos of a device and circuitecirculated on social mea and sent to cnn had the kind depicted on tv shows in the movies rather than devices capable of detonating. a digital clock was taped to the middle of the pipe, feature experts say is typically shown on fictional bombs in an attempt to ratchets up attention but fictional. bombmakers avoid attaching physical clocks to to keep tipping off targets when bombs are set to explode. that goes to the whole what exactly was the intent of this device. >> yeah, you are right, steve. that's well-said by whoever put that out there.

the bombs have really two components. they have an explosive material and initiator. these issue in yarts are real signature temperatures. there is not many ways to initiate an explosive cascade. only a few ways to do it. to put a digital clock on there, you are right is, so amateurish. it's like this person wanted the device to be detected as some means to taser and get terr get a message out there. brian: the "new york post" has something else. they say the pipe bomb sent to cnn appears to include an isis parody flag with a phrase on it getter done. >> i'm really skeptical of this stuff. this seems so over the top that it makes you really genuinely curious as to what this motive could have possibly have been?

look at all the factors here. the overly excessive postage that wasn't stamped in many ways. hey, look at me. you have this big type. the big type on these envelopes, again, screaming look at this envelope. come pull this out. you have this really heavy packaging. just ridiculous errors like the misspelling of john brennan's name and package being sent to cnn. he works at different network. he doesn't work at cnn. if you were so angry at him to do this ridiculously savage act, you think you would at least get the network. it doesn't make any sense. nothing makes sense in this. steve: one other component to this and we don't know who do this. we have no idea. but then again maybe they didn't explode because the bombmaker was really bad at it. >> i doubt that steve. again, when you see bombmakers that are this bad dealing with explosive material, black powder, whatever it may be, you usually see some kind of negative incident in the

past someone reported it to the police or you see these bomb makers blow themselves up. i mean, this is pretty common people have no idea what they are doing. this is so amateurish i believe it was intentionally amateurish. ainsley: dealing with the fbi. whoever did this knows that he is going to be tracked down there. no way after he sends 7, 8, however many packages and it seems to appear from the same individual, that you are not going to get caught. do you think that this is somebody who wants attention or a mad man? >> well, ainsley, here's the issue. we are thinking like rational people. ainsley: correct. >> dan: we are not savages like the moron who did. this if you are stupid enough and malicious enough and so filled with hate to attack political figures because you disagree with their politics, i mean, clearly, you are an irrational looney to an. you can't view it through the prism of a normal human being. do they want to get caught? i doubt anybody wants to get caught. were they doing anything to avoid getting caught? in this case obviously not.

they left nine packages, up to nine packages of evidence behind. i'm telling you, there is at least one fingerprint on those packages. and those printing labels are going to be key in tracking this person down. brian: all right. hey, dan, stick around. because judge napolitano has just come in here. judge, new york city, again, on alert. this is how we started -- ended yesterday this is how we start today. >> unfortunately this may be another day of this. i have to commend dan. my law enforcement sources are telling me the sal exact same thing as dan. this is a head scratcher. this is incredibly incompetent person or incredibly skilled person who wants to appear incompetent. stunt, dry run? intended to lull us into some false sense of security. it's powder not a real bomb. the guy doesn't know what he is doing. i don't want to scare people. but this is what law enforcement is speculating. imi suspect dan hears the same spengzs as i do.

time to sphig this out. without any -- thats would my cell phone. i apologize. without any act of violence having been committed, great deal of punishment life in prison. because nobody has been harmed the death penalty is not applicable. steve: the "new york times" is talking about how it's a possible hoax device, which, perhaps, was not intended to go off. if it was not intended to go off it couldn't hurt anybody, it's just something in the mail, isn't it? >> well, this is obviously an effort to send some sort of political message. this is not terrorism, an act of terror requires two acts of violence intended to change the policies of government. that's the federal statute. but it is terroristic in that it tariffs an terrorizes ad frightens and aimed at a

class of people. he could be in that clals of people or abstinent politically. steve: if nobody got hurt, are the charges similar? >> the charges are identical. the punishment is less because nobody got hurt. brian: right. >> cannot charge him with an act of terrorism until there is violence. ainsley: where, when this person is caught, where will the trial be, because this happened in maryland, d.c., florida, new york. >> judicially whatever law enforcement agency gets them first, it will be between the state and the feds in that state. it doesn't matter where is he prosecuted because the penalties are the same in this case again, without death, without violence, it's life in prison. brian: you know there has been some tension between the fbi and nypd, that's why they formed their own counter terror division. i will ask both of you, first off, who is taking the lead here? and have we seen any of that friction yet, dan? >> >> i'm sorry, brian, what was that? brian: i was saying the

historic friction between the fbi and nypd who set up up their own counter-terrorism division because of that do you see any friction? >> you are not going to see any frikdz. this is so potentially serious that you are going to see. what you will see, there may be some friction. brian: who is taking the lead? >> i don't know at this time who is taking the lead from. what we see it's the nypd. the fbi often doesn't want to be seen. they are doing the more technical behind the scenes. ainsley: dan, you mentioned, where are they taking this? [inaudible] >> tell us. >> a firearms training facility. they also have bomb techs, a bomb facility up there as well where think accepted their cops to go and practice shuting their firearms. they have facilities detonate remotely not inside the city proper manhattan they can detonate some of

these devices. steve: you are looking at one of the new york city police department bomb disposal units. it's trupghting a suspicious package which was loaded into a -- within the last 15 minutes or so ago, somebody called the police this morning in the 6:00 hour, we believe and had them respond to 735 greenwich. apparently that the building where robert deniro's film fest and grill, his restaurant are located. we are speculating that perhaps somebody was going through the mail, after that wave of packages yesterday, spotted something, and called the cops. we don't have many details at this point. ainsley: i wonder if robert deposit near row, brian, at the beginning of the show when we started seeing all of these cop cars in the tribeca area. said this might be robert deniro. >> nobody knows the city the way kilmeade does. ainsley: i many am wondering if he sent. all these liberals came out

against president trump. i'm sure they have had conversations amongst their staffers opening up out mail be very careful just in case i'm the target, too. >> odd thing this was found at 3:00 in the morning. who goes through their mail at 3:00 in the morning. ainsley: maybe someone was sent down to the restaurant to go through the mail for this very reason. >> the areas in manhattan that's been targeted not where bill and hillary live. not where president obama or will vice president biden live. the areas of manhattan so surveilled almost inconceivable that the police and fbi are not already looking at examining computer chips inside these cameras for images of who has moved around there. brian: i have been down there. ray kelly which when i was there showed us all there is nothing like that. >> that command center which dap has seen is unbelievable. the sophistication of the nypd command center which has over 6,000 cameras in the new york city. and what they can see. they can see the eye lashes

on kilmeade's face if they want. ainsley: dan, you agree? >> absolutely. the judge is right. not just the network of city cameras and nypd cameras that they can monitor. it's also the network of private cameras. i have a close friend who works actually in this unit in the nypd. it's not uncommon for them at all to go down to a couple of businesses on the block where this happened and to have such overlapping fields of view in the camera like the judge said. they can see the whole thing. they don't miss a second. the whole field of vision is covered. so, yeah. this is -- whoever did this is going to be on some video somewhere. steve: i remember it was a number of months ago, dan, and judge. with the bomber down in austin, texas. and they sent out a number of packages through fedex. and they were able to triangulate when the personal dropped off the bomb. and then i believe they were able to use cell phone

technology and locationselveses to figure out where the person was. there are all sorts of things, daniel, if they can figure out when this person dropped the devices off at the post office. >> all they need is a cell phone number. the triangulation process. listen, that thing you carry in your pocket is a beacon. it is. your geo located down to the actual spot you were standing. so, you can almost create a map of where this person has been. if it shows they went to a courier facility, a post office, or dropped some of this stuff off themselves potentially at the soros home like we saw initially. then, yeah, you have got your guy or your woman right there. >> you know it's interesting. if you look at the pictures of this one package that's on all the newspapers. the one to john brennan. when you put a stamp on a letter and you send it to the post office. there is black ink all over the stamps. you can't use them again. that's not the case in this picture. on the front cover of all these newspapers. maybe he just hand delivered, this individual

hand delivered them. if that's the case, that would be over the last two or three days they would have had to hand deliver all over the east coast. >> on which case there would be images on dozens and dozens of cameras. not necessarily to private homes but clearly in new york city. brian: los angeles is actually where one package arrived for maxine waters. maryland, d.c., new york, and los angeles. >> right. steve: dan, going back to the fact that this particular buildings 375 greenwich, which is where robert deniro's restaurant and tribeca film fest are housed and that is where they found this device and they are transporting it right now, it's an office building. you know, it's another one of those things where it does not go directly to the person's house. what do you make of that? >> i think it goes back to the two possibilities that are pretty clear here that the judge alluded to as well. either this is an extreme

amateur, who is likely to be caught immediately, or, a professional pretending to be an amateur who had absolutely no intention of developing a functional device to actually explode. but wanted to send a message and by doing that, put together devices that were not functional at all and putt all the hallmarks on the devices that they would be detected. again, the extremely large tebletion. the use of excessive postage despite not even going through the post office. the packaging that this person wanted these devices to be caught and he didn't really care if bob deniro or in this case bob deniro got it himself or george soros. just that it made to the house and made it on the news to send some kind of a message. it's the only thing that makes sense. >> he sent it to facilities where the addressee is not likely to go through his or her own mail. i can't -- hillary and bill clinton have secret service to do.

this president obama has secret service. vice president biden has some sort of security. robert deniro is not going through his mail at 3:00 in the morning. again, it's beginning to give us hints that this is the hallmark of some evil design, not intended to cause harm this time. brian: 6:40 this morning, new york police say they spaned to reports of a suspicious package. it was unclear if the report was unrelated to the pipe bombs. they cannot say that for sure. the nypd says the report about the tribeca neighborhood of manhattan, the bomb squad arrived. they have now picked up the package and are bringing it, we believe, to the bronx, the detective none nation center. and as dan bongino speculated, they are not going to blow it up if they have to because they need the clues that would come. steve: absolutely. ainsley: looking at the dates of the tribeca film festival. the festival is coming up. not until this year it was in april. but, dan, i want to ask you something. because you said they will be able to look at the

labels of these packages. and be able to -- their imprints and the printer ink, how can you track that back to just one person though? >> you can track it back to the design, sometimes to the exact unit where that unit was sold. whether that means it's the person or the person may have gone to a library or somewhere else and printed, that's the hard part. you can generally track it down to a very specific prirnght unit. they leave little footprints based on the design left inside the printer. this is one, again, one of the way he is when we used to do fraudulent documents that we used to find out who did it. they leave little signatures on there. so, it's not going to be that difficult. especially once you get the industry involved to find out relatively quickly where that unit was sold. brian: certainly changed the dialogue. we were talking about the midterms. we were talking about the caravan. and now we are talking about this for the last 48 hours.

>> 24 hours. >> sure, when you want to send a message this is right before election day. whoever wanted that the they certainly succeeded. steve: the message is loud and clear. that is the bomb disposal unit taking the package found in robert deniro's office building to a facility in the bronx, new york screen right is in front of deniro's building, 375 greenwich. where, just as brian detailed within the past hour, somebody saw something suspicious in the mail and gave a call. speaking of the mail, dan bongino, real quickly. the reason they probably put six big forever stamps on the packages and each of them seem to be identical from what we have heard is so the person could drop it in the blue box out front, not have to go to the counter and talk to somebody, right?

>> certain liver sound like it. get to final spot. that's excessive postage. that's always the hallmark of amateur operation. steve: dan bongino thank you for joining us this morning for live breaking news coverage about another suspicious package found in new york city. brian: dan and judge, stick around. ♪ brian: right to a fox news alert as you just heard. a live look at lower management. this is happening right now. followed this the last 20 minutes. the new york police departments and fire departments are looking into suspicious package found near a restaurant owned by robert deniro. steve: not known if this is related to the spring of threats made against prominent democrats in the last 24 hours. ainsley: e ainsley: todd, what is the latest information on this suspicious package. todd: as we are watching it being taken to that bomb

facility the reason it is being taken there is to get it out of the population center of new york city. obviously a very populated city. for the last 30 minutes we have been watching. this the nypd has confirmed that the package is being taken away from 375 greenwich. that is in the area of new york city known as tribeca. that is also the address of tribeca films and roberts dedeniro's restaurant tribeca grill. unclear at this time if it was addressed to deniro or anyone for that matter. and while the nypd, fdny have not yet confirmed this package is similar to the ones we have been reporting on all morning long, fox five here in new york is saying it is similar to the one from cnn yesterday. so, again, we will continue to monitor this throughout the course of the morning. you are seeing the containment vehicle right now on your screen taking that to an area away from the population center where it may be blown up or it may be investigated to find out

who is responsible. guys, back to you. brian: all right, todd, thanks. we do know yesterday from listening to john miller the former cbs anchor turned nypd official that ault confirmed bombs appear to come from the same person or persons because we look at the stamps, they are forever stamps. we look at the number of stamps, same number. look at the types of packaging, same packaging, manila envelope with bubble wrap in it looks as though the pipe bombs with chards of glass inside with wires sticking out, this all seems to be this person's standard. ainsley: police are saying that the one they found at 375 greenwich street, robert deniro's restaurant, the home of tribeca film center have similar markings to these other packages that have been sent to other liberals and other people that have been critics of the president. let's bring in jason chaffetz, fox news contributor and former chair of the house oversight and government reform committee. good morning to you. thanks for being with us. >> good morning. thanks for having me. ainsley: this appears to be political.

>> it does. ainsley: sending it to individuals who have been critics of the president. >> wholly unacceptable. i thought the president yesterday was pitch perfect in his message of saying, look, this is a time to unify. support our law enforcement. everybody from atf to the fbi. the nypd is as good as it gets. situation in florida. i know that maryland talking to members of congress and senators i know. they are on edge as well. steve: sure, explain for folks, because as a former member of congress, mail addressed to you or to the president or to various prominent americans goes through another facility somewhere, it if not in your outer office. explain how that goes. if i wrote a note to jason chaffetz, then a congressman, where would it go? >> it takes about a month, literally, to get to a member of congress there if you send something to the house of representatives. there is literally a fortress in washington, d.c. i think the capital police

do a great job in this outside facility that the secret service, the pentagon, others are able to lean on. it works pretty well. where the system does break down, if i'm being candid about it, is when members go back to their home offices. you know, debbie wasserman schultz, when she is dealing with in florida, they don't have those types of protocols. pardon me. they don't have that type of protocol in place. i really and have advocated for a long time. not just trying to be opportunistic. i think the u.s. marshals have got to be engaged here. they are set up to deal with the judiciary. judges, federal prosecutors, they should be engaged at the local threat assessment. the capitol hill police can't deal with it outlines of capitol hill. steve: we just received word from our affiliate wnyw receiving chopper shots for us as we look at this bomb disposal unit, apparently this device was addressed to roberts deniro himself.

he has a couple of businesses there at 375 greenwich and that's where the police responded. dan bongino, if we know that his name was on the package, what does that mean? >> that means you are going to see a whole lot hell more of this today. get ready for a busy news day. as people come in. i have think what's happening here, i think ainsley was right earlier. i think what happened here is these locations probably got their mail yesterday, some are going to get this today. these packages were most-likely all mailed nut same time window, which is obviously significantly different than the unabomber who was more tactically fixture by separating it by significant amounts of time and delivery of each of these things. that is not what happened here, obviously. these may have all been delivered at the same time, meaning people,, just like this incidents today, are probably just going to discover some of this today in their mail rooms or whatever it may be. i don't think we have seen close to the end of this. brain brian the nypd knows exactly where they are going and so do the cameras for

the wnyw chopper. detonation center. it's got to be safe. i imagine that type of cylinder that it's in. that looks like a cement mixing truck if you are listening on the radio. i imagine if something -- if they were to hit a bump and go off. everyone would still be okay. if that what we think? >> these aren't large yield devices. the explosive component used is not going to do anything in that reinforced wall in that bubble they carry the device in. you know, this is not a plastic explosive or from what we know any kind of bomb. this looks like a simple plaque powder stuff, which again, very dangerous. don't get me wrong. but not enough to cause any kind of a scratch on the inside of that thing. >> jason, do you know what's scary? >> i was going to add any time you mail a letter or package, the postal service, which the committee which i was the chairman of and jurisdiction of the postal

service and i learned a lot more than i ever suspected i would, one thing i learned though is that every package iand every letter is actually photographed and detail the moment it hits that facility. their ability, if it indeed did go through the postal service, to identify precisely where this was dropped off happens almost immediately. ainsley: this guy could have driven around a fancy neighborhood and put them in mailboxes and put the flag up so the post guy could take it so they wouldn't be caught on camera. >> they will know that at this particular truck picked it up. i'm just saying they have a lot more detail than probably the average person at home realizes by doing this. fortunately we have had this problem in the past. the postal service spent a lot of money and is able to deal with it. brian: because of anthrax. >> because of anthrax and other threats that have happened along the way they have that ability in law enforcement. ainsley: that's where we are in our society, pretty sad. how do we have hillary clinton's address? why is that public

information? why is george soros? steve: google. ainsley: you can google these individuals and find out where you live? >> if you are a public official and had to file a financial dislosh, your personal identifiable information is going to be revealed. every member of congress, everybody running for office, all these people that have been in the political life, their address is out there. ainsley: knowing what's happening at the clinton house, what's happening at the obama house or even soros house? >> the secret service takes it to a whole another level. if you are somebody who is a political political donor like soros, even though you may not like him, is he still an individual that needs to be protected. you have also have people like a robert deniro, have the tribeca grill, which i have been to, people know that. steve: apparently according it oour sources as well, this particular package being addressed to robert deniro, apparently the package itself was very same similar to the things we have seen so far. congressman, let me ask you this, given the fact that

we're less than two weeks away from the election, there are all sorts of conspiracy theories floating around the internet. i have seen some on television. we just don't know enough for that to be flying around, do we? >> we don't know the person. we don't know the motivation. the target pattern seems to be obvious on the surface. but, i've got to tell you, you know, it is scary. it is wholly unacceptable. i think the president was exactly right in his assessment here. let's get behind law enforcement and those people in the public life, they're gonna have to just be very vigilant in making sure. i feel for the person who just wakes up and makes an hourly wage and works in the mail room. they shouldn't have to deal with this either. brian: i always feel bad for people who work in the post office because they work hard number one. number two, they are, since this anthrax attack after 9/11, in many cases they are in the line of fire. for example, we say well, hillary clinton's package never gout to her house. it was screened out. guess who was touching it, it looks like, the post office. you feel bad for them.

steve: brian, remember, one of the anthrax packages actually came into our building, the building that we are sitting in right now, and i remember of the woman was featured on the front page of the "new york post." she was infected or she was injured by the anthrax. ainsley: hey, dan, we are looking right now at live pictures. you can see all of the lights that are flashing. this is the facility up in the bronx where they have taken that suspicious package that they retrieved from the tribeca area. what will happen next? will that car, the big car that looks like a cement truck that brian was describing which is exactly what it looks like. where will that go and how will they remove it? >> they will have bomb techs take it out of their facility over there take it out gently. remember, it's easy for us to talk about was it meant to detonate or was it not. these bomb techs don't have that luxury at all. everything is treatied like a high yield explosive device. these are their lives. just double down on what brian just said. he is right.

you know, to the maniac who did this, you know, i've got friends in the secret service that are at these mail facilities that do this stuff. and, you know, just because you wanted to target someone and it didn't get there, you change someone's life, probably forever. i mean, how do you think this person who handled this package and n. robert deniro's place feels right now? this is a traumatizing event? like i said these people handling it, these police officers who are doing this, they don't get to treat this like some kind of hoax device. everything to them could be the end of their lives if they make one mistake with it. that's why i'm so poed with this whole thing u this is disgraceful. no place for this kind of crap. steve: person who did discover it at the deniro place at 375 greenwich. 3:00 this morning an employee for mr. deniro was going through the mail and spouted it and called the cops at 4:00. so, we found out about it about two hours later and

now as you can see right now, the tunnel containment vessel vehicle is there in the bronx and figure out what to do with it next. >> it's interesting, our pentagon has spent $20 billion to identify. how do they find improvised explosive devices? we have all kinds of technology and machines. how do they find improvised explosive devices after $20 billion our government concluded the single best way to do that is a dog. i have got to tell you, there aren't enough dogs in airports and mail facilities and other places. they are the single best way to identify. brian: have ones pipes and pvc. used to be able to pick up the metal. now they pick up the pvc, obviously plastic. makes it additionally centralling. whatnot clear to me is -- and might be to use of you guys. is black powder or blasting cap in any of them or is this just a makeup of a device? because i know in the cnn

one reported by the "new york post" today, they said there was no blasting cap in that. i'm wondering whether any other ones that potentially could have detonated? you do you know, dan? >> that's the key question. obviously, brian, the key component of an explosive device is an explosive. if you don't have black powder, you don't have an explosive. the use of pvc, you know, again, speaks to just such an amateurish approach, this has to be intentionally amateurish. it doesn't make any sense. ainsley: dan, how long do you think it will take before they are able to determine who sent these. rick hawaiian said it will hahnr less. >> i say less. i wouldn't be surprised if a target was located today or tomorrow. again, they are having these -- multiple undetonated devices. there is just a cornucopia of clues left on these items out there. whether they are fingerprints or otherwise.

i think this person is going to be caught quickly. steve: to your earlier point, dan, given the fact that now we are looking at the containment center there in the bronx, new york. where a device addressed to roberts deniro has just arrived. if he -- an employee found a device at his -- in his office building today, you think there could just be a number more because going to send 8, why not send 20? >> right. this is good time to probably give the issue a cautionary warning to anyone in that space. this is probably a good day to be extra sensitive checking out your mail deliveries. i think probably a great role of television right now to put it out there, no need to panic anyone. we will get through this. but probably a good time to keep your antenna up. brian: i can't break it down like you can, jason about how the post office system works. let's all assume they went out around the same time.

first one george soros. got to his office outside his compound. hillary clinton got screened out addressed for her chappaqua house which she has been in for the past 17 years. then we find out about cnn who found out on the air around 9:30 that there was there. clear out the building. and then we find out about maxine waters as well as eric holder. ainsley: president obama. >> debbie wasserman schultz. brian: you got to think they all went out at the same time; you think deniro in his restaurant probably came in yesterday. no one saw it no one delivers mail at 4:00 in the morning. we're probably going to have a busy day of this. >> >> if they did all go through the postal service. and there was question yesterday was there a stamp on the stamps identifying that it had actually gone through the mail. ainsley: there is not. if you look at this picture of the package in the newspapers. >> you see stamp from the postal service. that's the question. given the timing and

proximity. one could say new york. then you look at the florida situation. it seems to be broader than that again, i think the post office is has been exceptional in its ability to track this information and be able to recreate where specifically it was dropped off. like, in our neck of the woods, in utah, you could drop it off at your local supermarket. it has a little -- but, again, there is going to be surveillance video. this is what a law enforcement, i'm sure, is scrambling to do right now. steve: the headline in the "new york times" regarding in this morning is bombs and envelopes jolt a nation driven by vitriol. last night, jason chaffetz, the president called for a more civil tone. that's appropriate. it is appropriate. i was disappointed in schumer and nancy pelosi who slapped the hand of the president away it's time for everybody to take a deep breath and realize none of this in any way, shame, or form is acceptable. it is so over-the-top and so

wrong. it was intended to create terror. it has. again, you've got high profile big named people who are used to death threats on a regular basis. but the men or women who actually work in these buildings and assistants to these people and in the mail service and the rank and file in law enforcement, they have to deal with it. brian: right that was a lot of blame going around yesterday. we don't have that opportunity today. we are still tracking breaking news. ainsley: our new york fox affiliate, one of our reporters robert moses is down there on the scene and has the latest for us live at tribeca. what can you tell us now? >> well, steve, brian, and ainsley, i just spoke with law enforcement source who tells me around 5:00 this morning, security personnel here at 375 greenwich street, which is the tribeca film productions office notified police of a suspicious package. police responded. they took an x-ray and, indeed, the device that was found here bears striking

resemblance to the devices that we heard so much about yesterday. that is similar packaging, similar return address. we're hearing that this was addressed to robert deniro who we know is a frequent critic of president trump. and if there is one common thread through all of this, it is that the packages that were sent yesterday were sent to people who have drawn his ire at one point or another. a few minutes ago, i would say within the last hour, this device was taken from the scene here by the bomb squad up to rodman's neck in the bronx. a few things can happen up there. it can be detonated safely away from any population. it can also be further examined for forensic evidence, for hair, for fingerprints or anything else that could link it to the devices that would heard so much about yesterday. again, a law enforcement source telling me that it is very similar to the other devices discovered here in new york and wisconsi los angel.

really the operating theory as we go forward today. and police are saying that there could very well be other devices as we move through the day. we simply don't know. back to you. steve: that's the key, we simply don't know. robert moses in lower manhattan, we thank you very much. let's bring in mollie hemingway. senior editor at "the federalist." fox news contributesser as well. mollie, as we look in at lower manhattan, 375 greenwich, that is the location of robert deniro's businesses. and it looks like he got a package, too. >> just seems that we are going to be experiencing sadly a few days of this, of learning who has been targeted by this individual or group of individuals. and it really speaks to how much we don't know, still, at this point. who is involved, who is doing it. what the exact nature of these devices are i thank god that no one has been hurt. and i pray that that

continues. it's unclear if people aren't hurt because there is a failure of the bombs to go off. if they are not actual bombs or what the exact situation is clearly they are intended to threaten and send a message of that people should not be free to speak their minds. that's a very dangerous message. brian: mollie, i was struck by the coverage last night when all the packages came in and people were trying to find out what was going on, how unified the anger was at president trump as if he has the market cornered on any type of aggressive language as if we didn't know that hillary clinton called for unrest. that maxine waters did what she did, fast john brennan hasn't been ranting and raving in person and on twitter the way he is. i'm just wondering why people only see one person possibly being responsible and not more. suspends logic. >> there are multiple problems with this. one, people are responsible for their own actions and it doesn't matter what someone else says. that is no justification for

committing violence or threatening violence. and there is also a lack of consistency about this in multiple ways. a couple weeks ago someone targeted the pentagon and donald trump with ricin. and i don't recall media figures saying that they were responsible for it even though they spend all day every day attacking the president. but, it's also true that a lot of people on the left have been calling for incivility. that is not -- that does not justify anything that has happened. it's totally inappropriate to target people. but, you know, we have heard a lot of calls for incivility. we have seen a lot of mob violence. a lot of leftist groups taking over the police functions of cities of major american cities. so everyone needs to calm down. everyone needs to understand that violence is not an appropriate approach. ainsley: mollie, do you think this is a good reminder like the president was saying last night, i'm going to take a very civil tone. we need to be civil. is this a good reminder for both sides the left and the right just to take a step back and breathe because is

many people came on our show a few weeks ago when sarah huckabee sanders was attacked in restaurants. and when a lot of our leaders, mitch mcconnell was attacked and his wife was attacked. people were saying we are so scared we are going to see another incidents like what we saw happen with steve scalise. someone is going to get hurt and could lead to more violence with all of these leaders standing up saying get in someone's face. is this a good reminder for both sides to say chill out, cool down and realize we can all just get along and have different opinions about politics? >> right. again, i think it's important that people be held responsible for their own actions and just because people are fighting politically does not mean you have the right to attempt to assassinate a baseball field full of republicans or, you know, going to a restaurant and attack people. but, it's also true that we should be civil because we should have confidence in the strength of persuasion and ideas. steve: right. >> to get our messages across. it is not a good sign that people feel that politics is so existentially important

that you are seeing this increase in rhetoric. in just violent rhetoric or people calling for incivility u it's not a good sign and sign that politics is way too important in people's lives and that they are losing touch with their communities and in their action with other people. steve: we have been talking a lot about the president. and he has been calling for a more civil tone. the president just nut last couple of minutes tweeted this out: a very big part of the anger we see today in our society is caused by the purposefully false and inaccurate reporting of the mainstream media that i refer to as fake news. it has gotten so bad and hateful that it beyond description. mainstream media must clean up its act, fast. what do you think is he saying there, mollie? >> well, i think he has had a message that very much resonates with the american people that our media are not contributing to civility. they are not doing a good job of just accurately telling the news. i think even with these

suspicious packages, you are seeing a failure of responsible media coverage. so much speculation without even knowing. we don't even know future person doing this is american or a foreign terrorist. we don't know anything at all and, yet, you are having people in major media organizations literally blaming donald trump for this. that is unhinged and insane and it's not appropriate behavior for any media. brian: so, mollie, don't move. we also have jason chaffetz on our couch. let's bring in former nypd detective will vince. from what we see right now we see the nypd bomb squad being tested as they pick up a package and heading to the bronx for a detonation center. what have you heard? >> good morning, sir. how are you? thank you for having me. first, i heard the nypd bomb squad is memorial and cutting edge technology and

dismantling these bombs. the fact that these bombs have not gone off is a great indication that i feel these are false flag bombings. am i allowed to elaborate on that? steve: what do you mean? ainsley: yeah. what do you mean by that? >> i think this bomber should be five or six packages. none of them have gone off. i would like to have more information on the types of devices. i would like to have more information on out set-up. was it set to detonate. i feel the left feels they are losing on many levels and i feel they are planting these devices just to play the role of the victim. steve: well, vince, it is too early. there is no suggestion by law enforcement that they have any idea who was behind this series of packages that have been sent. i have heard those kind of conspiracy theories but, i think at this point, less

than 24 hours after the first one it's too early to go that direction. mr. chaffetz? >> i do think law enforcement is also worried about the repercussion of copy cats. people feeling like hey, we want to make this even so let's go do this back to the president or republicans. everybody needs to take a deep breath. we don't know the perpetrator. we don't know the motivation. we know it does instill a degree of terror. all the world is now focused on that. i hated to give them the platform that i think they were probably seeking. brian: and they got to. >> they got it unfortunately i think news organizations responsibly do have to cover that i appreciate what the president is trying to say. steve: about the mainstream media? >> about the mainstream media. there are a lot of people in this country that don't feel like the media is fair, it's balanced. and that they just report the actual news. now, that does not say or does not necessarily justify. i think marco rubio had a couple of tweets yesterday that were eloquent in its

positioning saying what's different about the united states is we don't do violence because we do have vigorous debate. and that's okay in this country. everybody also needs to take a deep breath and understand we are the greatest country on the face of the planet. somehow, some way we will get through. this. ainsley: as a form everywhere nypd detective. we are looking at tribeca grill which is robert deniro's restaurant. what happened down there? what would be the protocol? we heard from the reporter robert moses say someone was opening the mail. they called police. police came and took an x-ray. i was watching some of the video earlier, too. did i see a dog. it looked like a black lab that was down there in the middle of the street next to. so police officers. what would have been done to ensure everyone's safety? getting that package out? >> immediately evacuate the area. bring in some -- bring in the nypd bomb squad, the truck. they can take this initially assess the package and then

feel -- once they determine or render it safe, they dispose of it. so, the dog that you saw is explosive detection dog. ainsley: there is the dog right there. >> yep. brian: hey, vince, how do we get ahead of this? instead of reacting to packages, how do we get ahead of this? do you think they are in some type of meeting room trying to figure out hot top 10 critics of the president are and maybe offering some protection? obviously they fanned out it to news organizations and media outlets? do you think that could be on the docket? >> absolutely. i would say these investigations take time, like you said before. and i'm speculating, of course. however, we're not losing. the right is winning at the moment. and i don't see them -- brian: vince, appreciate your experience. right now we are not going to speculate on anything political. we will talk about safety

and security. steve: that's right. meanwhile, you are looking down in lower manhattan. that is the area where robert deniro's building is at 375 greenwich. that is where we dispatched our correspondent brian llenas in try beckca. brian, what are you hearing down there? >> good morning, steve. this is what we know so far. a package was delivered at 5:00 a.m. to tribeca film productions. it was addressed to robert deniro. found in the mail room of tribeca film productionst by security personnel. they noticed this package looked exactly like the one that has been on tv. the same characteristics like we have been talking about now for the last day. so what all these packages look like. the heavy manila envelope. the blocked lettering. the postage stamps. and then what happened was the nypd then responded here tribeca film productions. they x-rayed that package and determined that they needed to move it in the containment vehicle.

we saw that con at the same time vehicle yesterday at time warner cnn. moving that package over to rodman's neck. this is a facility where they move all these explosive devices here in new york. they have been doing that for years. they examined the particular explosive device at that facility. that is what we know so far. clearly, again, this worker, security personnel noticed that it looked exactly like the ones we -- that we have been showing on tv. also, to note, obviously, this package had been sitting in that mail room for at least a day. you know, mail was not delivered early this morning at 5:00 a.m. so, obviously, that package has been sitting in that mail room for some time. how much time, we do not know. steve? steve: that is very good point, bryan llenas, joining us live. jason chaffetz who was a congressman on the committee that oversaw the post office. you know, the post office, not necessarily going to get all the packages to their intended addresses the same day. >> yeah. no.

it takes a little time to go through the system. first it was with george soros and then started so show up on the others. i guarantee you they are looking at people like joe biden, other high profile democrats. it's important, i think, that they get the pictures out of the actual envelopes themselves because have you got people who work in these mail rooms that are going to have to identify that. you also, i think in this system, if there is suspected package, this is true across the country. certainly true on capitol hill, they have bomb sniffing dogs that will come in and take a sen scent of that. get a false or a positive result out of that then they are going to have to deal with it appropriately. but, you know, thank goodness, nothing has gone off at this point. but, if you are working in these mail rooms, i feel for those people. steve: no kidding. we have somebody else on the phone. >> former new york city police member. lowe polumbo. i understand you actually used to do security for the tribeca film festival which

is in the building that apparently this particular suspicious package was addressed to. >> i actually thought of the product out of inception. we ran it until september of 2008 when we had problems with banking and wall street that building is actually the production offices for the tribeca film festival. ainsley: is it above the restaurant? >> no it's not above the restaurant it's across the street. the restaurant is on the corner. if i do recall correctly the access to this is on the corner directly south on the east side. brian: if i send a package to the restaurant, it wouldn't go to the film festival. if i sent it to the film festival. if it was addressed to the film festival. why did it end up in the restaurant? >> that's a good question. it depends on who was delivering the package and how familiar they were with the area thinking they may not have access to the building or the offices exist. they may have conveniently just disposed of it across

the street with the restaurant. steve: or whomever was descriskting the mail apparently the top name on the envelope is robert deniro. maybe they figured. >> i think there is another possibility and that is did somebody go and actually just drop this off? you know, if something comes in your restaurant and hand them a package this goes to the mail room. i could see where somebody would actually take it to another location without actually going through the postal service. that's why the one picture that we do have is there was real question whether it was actually stamped. ainsley: lou, your assessment of the nypd what's your assessment this morning. >> obviously all the outspoken individuals of the president have been the focal point of these devices. a little earlier you mentioned other individuals who should show some concern and high alert. those include nancy pelosi, maxine waters, dianne feinstein. the list is rather long and

distinguished. the thing i would say i don't think the intent was to have these devices exploded. although i say that with reservation. the only individuals at this point is that are aware of the actual content or makeup of these devices is the fbi secret service alcohol tobacco and firearms. they have already cataloged a considerable amount of forensic information that they have gleaned from taking control of these devices. the thing that's important to note is that it isn't a matter of when they catch this individual, it's a matter of time. believe me, we are so sophisticate you had with our labs today, it's somewhat unnerving. you can't even correspond with a letter with ink without them being able to track it and trace it back to the manufacture and when it was manufactured, who it was tributed to and who it went. it's elaborate. they have catalogs on all of this information that help them further this investigation and very expeditious manner. steve: lou, you feel since the fbi and the secret service, atf joint terrorism

task force they have already looked at half a dozen of these things. they know whether or not any future anything delivered today through the postal service would be a viable bomb. >> i don't think they are going to try to arrive at that comfort level because the mod modus operandi ran i do the individual carrying out these acts would shift. in other words, today intention may to be send devices that are not designed to explode but could change mind set and start sending some of those tomorrow. the question is then one of these questions was posed earlier by brian is what do you do going forward? well, a lot of the more commercial institutions like the media outlets have used devices like floor row scope and other pick up biological agents. vapor dogs in the city designed to do it. they also x-ray these packages. there are a number of mechanisms in place to help screen. you pointed out something

else earlier that's important. if this is going through the united states post office aside from that's another federal crime using the post office there are a lot of people exposed. if one of these devices is intended to explode and does prematurely hurt innocent people in the workplace environment. this is the bottom line. it isn't if they catch them. it's when. and then from there it's going to be another discussion that we're not prepared to have today about the politics and the rhetoric that goes on in this country that further polarizes us. brian: people have to think about what they say at all times. from here on in more than ever. lou, you were in that area, it would be logical for me to think that there is cameras all over a place like robert deniro's restaurant. and robert deniro's production company. you know, for fans, for would be people who aren't fans. so, or just flat out security for people who want memorabilia. am i to assume if someone

had a package and walked to the restaurant or to the film studio that there is a camera? >> absolutely. and i think it's important, again, to note that the pry tear system attack in new york city is argus and concentration of these cameras particularly in the midtown area and lower manhattan because of the financial district. you cannot basically navigate i would say the borough of manhattan from 96th street sought without being on someone's camera whether it's argus or the shop owners oftentimes have exercised the initiative of videotaping the activity outside along the perimeter of their businesses. and then, of course, they can either willingly provide that to law enforcement or will obtained through subpoena. but i think the likelihood of not being on tape is probably zero. >> you know, what's interesting yesterday, lou, right after our show when time warner building was -- received one of these suspicious packages talked

to john brennan. our whole staff. we were out of shooting a story. our whole staff got a fox news alert. saying if you live on that block, near the time warner center, that you need to hunker down and stay in place. i was curious. is that what you recommend to folks that live around like this a restaurant like this if they get a suspicious package? because i would think get the heck out of your apartment and get off that block just in case it does detonate. >> yes. and to coin a phrase that commissioner -- deputy commissioner miller has used. oftentimes protocols that we put in place are done in what we call an abundance of caution i would always recommend if there is any type of activity that it's suspicious and the police are participating in that the residents of that immediate area consider exercising discretion and avoid the area until you get a type of all clear. what's going on right now is they have an area of containment, we have a saturation of law

enforcement, federal, state, and local. they have inserted bomb dogs, robots and every device imaginable to manage any type of package or delivery system that could be in n. place. yoin place. you have to exercise a lot of common sense. common sense would dictate if there is a problem you need to try to avoid it. steve: for folks just joining us at 20 before the top of the hour, another package apparently was discovered 5:00 this morning in one of the buildings of robert deniro's film festival. tribeca film festival and tribeca grill as well. a number of politicians have blamed president trump's incendiary rhetoric as causing this. and, yet, last night at a rally in wisconsin, the president of the united states called for a more civil tone in our discourse. >> my highest duty, as you know as president is to keep

america safe. the federal government is conducting an aggressive investigation and we will find those responsible and we will bring them to justice. any acts or threats of political violence are an attack on our democracy itself. we want all sides to come together in peace and harmony. the media also has a responsibility to set a civil tone and to stop the endless hostility and constant negative and oftentimes false attacks and stories. have to do it. [cheers] brian: the president of the united states there. mollie hemingway, do you think he struck the right tone? were you surprised that others took aim at him? >> yeah. i think there is really only one proper response when a country is going through something like this with all

these threats, which is to remind people about the need for civility, the need to treat each other with respect. and it is -- people want to take political advantage of a situation like this. it is probably inappropriate to do that no matter the details. it's definitely inappropriate to do that before you ivan know who is responsible or what their motivation is we know we have some information. we know that these people, all these people who have been targeted are people who are on the left or they are democratic leaders. they have called in some cases have called for incivility or attacks on political opponents. that's certainly information that we can all process. we really don't know much. it's irresponsible to speculate. extremely irresponsible to hold someone responsible who is not the actual personal responsible for these attacks. >> mollie as you said that here in the studio. jason chaffetz was nodding his head affirmatively. >> i think mollie said that very, very well. i think the president was pitch perfect. there are going to be those on the left critical of the president saying the president has contributed to

this type of rhetoric. but, i do not hear a call for violence in anybody that is deemed acceptable. vigorous midterm election. the election is less than two weeks away. a lot on the line. both sides are fighting. no reasonable to do this in any way, shape, or form. and you know what in the men and women are actually doing the hard work here, getting up at 4:00 in the morning and doing that. they need to see their political leaders united in saying yes, we got your back. we support you. have you got to go out and do that tough job. have you protection detail. fortunately, i think you also have the nypd is as good as it gets. working on this as well. they are exceptional in what they do. and they are working with the joint terrorism task force. there's a lot of action happening. i do think they are catch going to catch this person sooner rather than later. >> thank you so much for being with us. if you are just tuning in

live shot of a restaurant down at tribeca 375 greenwich street, owned by roberts deniro, the tribeca film center is also there owned by robert deniro. the eighth suspicious package was found at his business. police were called in early this morning. that package has been taken up to the bronx at a facility bomb disposal unit facility and the bronx. we'll, of course, continue to monitor this situation. we will take a short break. sarah huckabee sanders is going to be interviewed right here on "fox & friends" coming up and we will get her reaction and reaction from the president, hopefully. she is hopefully talked to him this morning and we will bring you that. stay with us. thank you. now let's get started. ♪ the future isn't created in a keynote address. ♪ a presidential speech did not land us on the moon. millions of man hours did. they built their way there. some will ta-ta-ta-ta-talk about the future.

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looked like a vehicle that was a blast vehicle being brought to the detonation center we believe in the bronx. darren, can you tell us what's going on now being that there is an eighth package? >> well, good morning, brian. thanks for having me on. i appreciate it. when we look at these investigations in connection with an explosive ordnance, i figure them as a three legged stool. the first component is the actual device. the device we have, we have had 8 packages that have went out so far. it seems like a lot of them have had a black powder substance. this black powder substance has been gunpowder. this is somewhat of a rudimentary device. the first leg of the stool is to identify what the device is the second leg to the stool is actual delivery method. how was this device delivered? was it delivered by mail or was it delivered by a

courier? this is very important for law enforcement because several of these packages in the past have been mailed. the united states postal service take as snapshot of all packages that are delivered. this is the important to law enforcement this tells where the entry point for the package was when it was delivered to the target. the third leg to the stool is the actual target. now, we want to look for the commonality factor. we have to keep in mind we have had packages that were delivered to -- attempted to be delivered to presidents obama, president clinton, maxine waters, et cetera. a lot of these people in the past have received a lot of threats; however, the commonality factor for all 8 people is what we're going to look at. so, those are the three legs to the stool that we're going to look towards in connection with conducting the investigation. steve: right. >> law enforcement is also going to revert back to the teachable mommy's in what happened in march this year

in connection with the austin bombings. the 2,011 - 2,001 excuse me, the 2001 anthrax scares that happened with anthrax packages mailed out. and most importantly the ted kaczynski unabomber. they will triangulate those three components and fold that into the investigation moving forward. i think that this is something that's going to happen where they are going to catch this person because as we look back at what happened in austin, texas, the mistake that the bomber made in austin was we were able to capture an image of him delivering a package at a fedex location. and i think law enforcement agents are going to expand their realm of video and the video technology and that is how they are going to be able to find this person. i think it's a earth that of time. it's not going to be long. steve: dr. porcher, one thing is common what we know so far. it does appear that they

have targeted democrats who have been vocal critics of the president. it is not clear if mr. deniro was inside the building, although it's an office building so it would be hard to believe that he was there at 4:00 this morning. but, we got a new bit of information. ntsb 4 here in new york is reporting that the building worker called 4:00 this morning after seeing the package earlier this week. it could have been yesterday or two days ago. apparently it had just been there for a while. he didn't call because that's when they were reminded of other incidents this week while watching the news. so, one of the good things about us doing the story today, it's showing the package that was delivered to cnn with john brennan's misspelled name on, it is people know what this thing looks like. >> right. but, you know, i know that building relatively well, 375. and the door man in that particular location is an

enclave where they are actually sitting inside. there are two components. residence that goes upstairs where you have the doorman assist. and then you have the restaurant whichson othe outside. so there is a good possibility that doorman did not actually see the package. in order for the doorman to see something like that, he would have had to come outside. so, that may be a reason why the doorman didn't make the call. but the truth of the matter is you mentioned these are people that -- these are democrats. we can't blame the president on this. the president made a very strong statement yesterday in connection with the weight of the united states government will come down on this person that precipitates this type of harm against other governmental officials and the united states citizens. therefore, this is not the president's fault. this is clearly a psychopath

that's out on a terror to cause harm to other human beings. ainsley: someone crazy. a lot of people that go to that restaurant, it's a very popular restaurant. it's hard to get into. >> the tribeca film -- ainsley: robert deniro is seen inside the restaurant quite a bit. loot of people we know have gone in there and seen him. people look for him because they know he owns the restaurant. you brought up the point there is an apartment billing right there. >> that's where he lives. he lives there. ainsley: it was addressed to him. that's why it went to that building. maybe not to the restaurant but to his door man, you are saying. >> right. ainsley: that's fascinating u what happens next? they will take this bomb, darrin, they take it up to the facility in the bronx the bomb disposal units. brian: or the package. we're not even sure. ainsley: exactly. might not being the bomb. just the package. >> what happens next? >> okay. what they did is emergency service unit and the bomb squad, they transported the explosive ordnance to

rodman's neck. that's the bomb disposal area that the nypd utilizes. whenever you have an explosive ordnance, what's great about this is it didn't -- it didn't blow up. so it allows the police, meaning law enforcement and the joint terrorist task force to make an assessment of what this ordnance is the focus is the signature. any explosive ordnance that's produced has a signature by the bomb maker. they want to assess the consistency. if this is the same thing that's been used in the other attacks. such as you the black powder, et cetera. and so, when you do that assessment of the signature, what they are going to do is compare it to other bombs that have been -- truth of the matter something that's interesting. most people, whenever an ordnance ignites or blows up, it never disintegrates. so whenever the investigation takes place,

what they do is they put the -- they put the ordnance back together again. they reconstruct it that's how they are able to tell what the signature is like i said, as i mentioned earlier, since this didn't go off, they don't have to do the reconstruction. so it's going to be a careful dismantling of the ordnance and that's how they are going to add this in to just the assessment. brian: what i find interesting is they pulled the package out from 4:00 in the morning. we actually watched the trail and the car leave at 6:40 beginning in that we watch it for an hour. but they never evacuated the surrounding area. is that a wise move or what goes into a decision like that? >> >> well, the evacuations under normal circumstances,. brian: cnn got one package and everybody had to go to the street. >> well, you have to take into consideration two things. 4:00 a.m. you will thought

have the level of resources that you have during -- compared to 11:00 a.m. you are going to have far more resources. but generally speaking, the evacuations are predicated on the -- how powerful the -- on what the explosive or the ordnance is generally speaking, when you look at these pipe bombs or these letter bombs, so to speak, they usually -- they are not that strong. they are capable of a blast that doesn't exceed 3 to 5 feet normally when you do your evacuation, you wanting to evacuate to a safe distance. that's the reason for the evacuation. evacuate 10 city blocks or a pipe bomb that has the propensity to explode and cause damage of 3 to 5 feet. steve: dr. porcher, they did not evacuate that building involving robert deniro. however, i'm looking at channel 6, abc news down in the philly area, they say there is a large police presence at the post office in new castle county, delaware. county police tell action

news thursday morning the fbi has taken over an investigation into the quick but i boulevard post office that they were originally called to inspect. the post office was evacuated at 6:00 a.m. this morning. they have learned all the mail trucks have been moved to other facilities this comes as news broke a possible explosive device may have been mailed to a home belonging to former vice president joe biden. authorities have not said if this is the focus of their investigation. but 4r5u6r789d sources tell abc news the items bears similarities to other packages with devices being scrutinized by federal authorities. it sounds like at least in that facility, they have evacuated. >> and that just echos what i stated earlier terms of the u.s. postal service does take a snapshot of all packages that enter the system. and since this happened, since i want to say this has heightened the level of awareness. and more than likely they have seen consistent factors with this package at that

particular location and that's why they divided to -- brian: darrin porcher, great incite. thank you so much for helping us. >> thanks for having me. brian: we will take a step aside. sarah huckabee sanders amongst our guests. we are following a series of events. an eighth possible bomb was just found. we will follow this story. don't move.

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ainsley: this is live look in lower manhattan in the tribeca area. a suspicious package was found near a restaurant that is owned by actor robert de niro. brian: here is a what the associated press. it was addressed to the famous critic and actor of the president. it was sent to other prominent democrats throughout the country. steve: february by is investigating a delaware post office right now. same city where former vice president joe biden lives. where a bomb was possibly mailed

to his home yesterday a device of sorts. bryan llenas in lower manhattan not far from de niro's place with the latest on the breaking story. reporter: we're blocks away from one world trade center and a block away from where the package was found. at the corner with the american flag is where tribeca film productions is. that is where a package was found this morning at 5:00 a.m. by security personnel. they noticed a package that looked exactly ones like the one on tv, excessive american flag postage stamps, addressed from debbie wasserman schultz was found. this is co-founded by robert de niro decided to call nypd. the nypd showed up. they x-rayed the package and

determined to move it to rodman's neck, where they deal with the devices. a truck came and moved that device. nypd police commissioner on other network last night said they are looking at security video for the other package sent to cnn and that is really important here in new york city there are cameras everywhere and if you pan over at my left in the corner here. we'll actually not going to do that anymore, sorry about that, there is a video camera to the corner there. that is what investigators will be looking at. they will be looking at video cameras and see if any images caught a courier or saw the individual going into the building where tribeca film productions is. that building by the way, hastry becca film productions on the

left and also tribeca grill. this was addressed to robert de niro who is harsh critic of president trump. here in new york, there are extra national guards men will be posted at all transit areas, penn station, grand central, out of abundance of caution. all areas of the city have law enforcement tyke times square have double the amount of law enforcement they normally would have. there is also a program here, guys, called shield. that is a public and private partnership they try to alert businesses to work with the nypd to help them identify suspicious packages or suspicious behavior. we know that they sent out a bulletin yesterday they alerted businesses and private individuals to be alert for suspicious packages especially those who work in the mailrooms of particular buildings. look out for suspicious packages. those with excessive stamps and

have a bad odor. they say call 911 using a landline, not a mobile device. guys. brian: thank you, bryan. at the same time we know other things are going on. packages in los angeles and maryland and now we think something could be developing in delaware. steve: those are the response in 5:00 and 6:00 hour as the bomb disposal unit, takes the package, the device found at de niro's place to the bronx where they will be examining it. ed davis, former boston police commissioner, fox news contributor. commissioner, we had our correspondent bryan llenas talk about how there are video cameras everywhere in that neighborhood so they may be able to figure out how the particular device entered into the building. when it came to the boston bombings, you were the lead investigator on, those were the images that helped you crack the case. >> yes, video has become

essential to police investigations everywhere around the world. used to be we would put crime tape up and get into the area and look for blood spatter evidence, sprints like that. very first thing we do to identify nearby cameras and download that information for analysis. in the boston case it, was pivotal to our i.d.ing the suspect. it was the very first indication. once we knew we had their face we knew we had them. might be a little while but we knew we had them. ainsley: ed, we were wondering this morning, why is someone at the restaurant or building going through the mail at 6:00 in the morning? the post office doesn't deliver at that time? a worker called at 4:00 a.m., i'm looking at other images, we have a picture of packages sent to other individuals.

there is the picture of the one sent to john brennan at time warner center, we learned that worker called police i have seen a package like that delivered to robert de niro's address earlier in the week. that is why we believe police got the package, they're x-raying it and sending it up to rodmans neck. how long do you think it will be before they identify the person that sent all the packages? >> that very important point you just made. nypd, they know how important it is to get the public involved in this stuff. very quickly yesterday they released packages of what the -- photos of what the packages looked like. that will raise awareness. if they used the mail for this they're in the process of being delivered, so you have a 48 hour window where these things are in transit from where they were mailed to where the target is. it gives people an and people an

opportunity to intervene and see if that is happening. brian: debbie wasserman schultz, misspelled the last name. john brennan, wrong network, misspelled the name. no blasting cap at cnn. that is all they told us. they see the six stamps. ainsley: forever stamps without any markings on them. brian: without any markings doesn't seem in the one picture. famously you wanted to take control of the investigation and the fbi, and you guys seemed to be at loggerheads. i know the nypd has their own way of doing things, how do you believe the they're coordinating, and do you believe they're deconflicting? >> oh, i think they are. there was much made about the situation in boston. it was not as bad as people made it out to be. joint terrorist task force is

joint operation. commissioner o'neill works jointly with the fbi. i think you're seeing complete cooperation with the two organizations. nypd has a big say what is being done. steve: sure. we are aware after evacuation at new castle, delaware, post office. joe biden may have received one. a police sweep of biden home turned up nothing. there was a police presence at quigley post office in new castle, and spot ad device and package may have been mailed to him. presumably it is at that location. so they have evacuated the police. when someone sends something

like this are they at home watching the coverage and loving it? >> i believe they are. they do it to bring attention and upset the public. more reported the better they feel about it. you have toe remember there will be packages not delivered yet but there will be many more false reports today because people's awareness is so high. we'll spend the next week responding to incidents that are cleared. so many of the -- we have to keep it in perspective. brian: right. we'll have to figure and i don't know, i can't tell you exactly how the postal system does it, whatever they did, seems to be in the same wave. soros starts. everything that happened yesterday. we open today 6:00 in the morning, 4:00 in the morning with the de niro situation. you have to feel like this is going to be happening just not in new york but multiple locations. in that situation how do you coordinate? how do the people picked up the de niro package talk to the

people that found the cnn package? can you bring us inside the investigation or a typical investigation? >> yes. there is a command center at some central location right now that everyone is using and everyone is bringing all of their information into that one central location. right now it is, from what i understand it is the fbi joint terrorism task force. all of that information is being fused in that location. and everybody's on the same book and page. an investigator goes out, talks to someone. someone tracks down the manufacturer of the manila envelope. they check what batch it is from and what particular city it was sold from. those are the type of strategies being employed right now. there are three big things they're looking for here. one is, dna. the other is cameras and the third is the structure of the device. they will run that against databases they have of known

explosive makers. ainsley: amazing they can track down even the ink that was used from the computer, the printer to print out those labels. just technology, we have come so far. this guy is not going to be able to get away with it, right? >> i don't believe he is. we have had a very good, policing has had a very good record tracking these people down. some are successful for a while. unabomber point in fact but we've come a long way since then. there are more dynamic ways to track these guys. i think we'll know who this guy is soon. steve: those joining us, an 8th package found at de niro's place in new york. a possible 9th bomb in delaware could have been intended for joe biden. commissioner, let me ask but the fact, nine devices, none of them exploded. in pages of "the new york times" today apparently new york law

enforcement official said investigators are examining the possibility they were hoax devices constructed to look like bombs but would not have exploded. why would that, why would somebody send out hoax devices? >> well simply to, to frighten and inflame passions on the side of this motivation that they're advocating for. if they didn't really want to hurt someone still, once you see someone has put explosive powder inside a package it can explode, depending how it is being handled. even if the detonator wasn't in place, even if the timer was a fake thing, if they actually put explosive ordnance or powder into that device it's dangerous and they will pay the same penalty no matter what they did. this is terrorism. their acts have frightened people. they will pay a dear price for

this when they get caught. steve: but if he has built at least nine devices, and they didn't go off, either they were a hoax device or he is a really bad bomb-maker. >> well, anything's possible. i think the issue you brought up is valid, that were these things put together to simply frighten people? possibly but the sum total it doesn't really make any difference. thankfully nobody has been hurt here. when you look at this device, it looks like a bomb. brian: all right. ed davis, thanks so much. appreciate it. you've been down this road before. hopefully be able to reflect back once we find out who is behind it and have you back. thanks, commissioner. ainsley: thank you. if you're just waking up, this morning if you looked at all the newspapers in the new york area they have picture what the alleged bombs or suspicious packages. it is on the front cover of every magazine or newspaper in new york.

so we start the show this morning and we get word there has been another suspicious package found down right there in tribeca at 375 greenwich street, which is where robert de niro lives. he owns a restaurant there. the tribeca film center he also owns there for the tribeca film festival. a worker apparently called police at 4:00 this morning, said i've seen a package looks similar to that it was addressed to robert de niro. police went into the location. they walked into the building. they. x-rayeded back page and removed with a bomb disposal unit, taken up to rodman's neck which is in the bronx, so they could evaluate to see if it is similar owe related to other packages sent to democrats who are against the president. steve: we have bernard kerik former police commissioner in new york city.

commissioner, what is going on? >> what is going on? craziness is going on. couple things ed davis said i would like to key on. i would predict they have handcuffs on someone or they have at least a target within the next 24 to 48 hours. ainsley: great. >> there is no way somebody could leave this much evidence, this much material out there, keep in mind, these devices did not detonate. there's plenty of evidence nypd will make a determination where the evidence comes from, that is number one. number two, i find it really suspicious not one was triggered. they have opened, physically opened these packages now, a number of them, and not one was triggered when they opened the package. usually that is how that works. they put a trigger mechanism on opening of the package so when

it is open that package would detonate, that bomb, that explosive device would detonate. that has not happened. we're now down, what is the number, eight or nine? i'm, i find it, i would really be surprised if these were really explosive devices made to detonate. so you know there is a lot that works right now. ed davis' comments on the joint terrorist task force. steve: right. >> the good thing, the benefit to new yorkers there is no better joint terrorist task force, i say that not because i commanded the nypd it is largest and substantial and that is a benefit to the city. the men and women work there, it's a combination of fbi agents, new york city police detectives and new york state troopers and other federal

agencies. they will get to the bottom of it fast. brian: as you would always say it is a matter of coordination. can't be somebody cowboying it or agency taking the lead without working with people. you have to share information. we learned that about talking with people like you. commissioner, back to your original premise, we opened up eight to nine packages and there is no explosion. because they feel as though retribution is less? if they hurt someone and go to jail for life. if they open up the practicages they're pretend bombs or hoaxes they get a lot less, a they get a lot less retribution or time? >> well, listen, guys, if there is one speck, if there is a speck of explosive material in these, if there is a dusting of black powder, that would never detonate in an explosive device

in the manner it is, but if it is there they are getting charged with it. so they will have a serious problem. brian: okay. >> if there is nothing in there explosive they're still getting charged with a number of acts of terrorism. brian: commissioner, i also know you are connected, so connected with the nypd, what do you what are we not bringing up that you know you could share? what way are we -- what venue or what road are we not pursuing that we should? >> i think the fortunate thing for your listeners is, you guys are pretty good at your job. i don't think there is really anything you haven't covered. i've been listening for two days now. i think you got all bases covered. i think it is just a matter of time. don't speculate. stop the politics. stop, you know, the blame, name blame game all that other stuff. let investigators do their job. they're very good what they do and they will get through this.

>> commissioner, you mentioned how good the bomb squad is, i guess what you call it, secret service or nypd here in the new york area, what if this happens in another area and they haven't yet opened up the package or other discovered, the package, do other areas have the same vehicles, looks like a cement truck with a big ball in the back where they put the package in case it does detonate? >> yeah. other organizations, other law enforcement agencies in the bigger cities have all this material, have all of this equipment. they will get it if need be. i think john miller's move yesterday, deputy commission for intelligence and terrorism in the nypd, by putting the photo out, normally they don't do that but by putting the photo out it got the de niro's package quicker than it would have, than somebody finding later. it gave the public a recognition

of what to look for. you know, this is the kind of stuff where lessons learned from past experiences come to light and it benefits these types of investigations. steve: sure. commissioner, stand by for just a second. side note, the fbi also investigating as we mentioned a delaware post office we mentioned and a ninth package addressed to vice president joe biden, former vice president. the post office is 10 miles from where mr. biden lives. that is a new image we have not seen yet. it comes after possibly being mailed to his home yesterday. we this picture from fox 29 reporter chris o'connell of the device sent to the post office. bernie kerik, we saw the one image of the package that arrived at cnn addressed to john brennan which was misspelled but this is the first time we've gotten a really clear look.

if we could put it up once again, a really clear look at the package addressed to joe biden. ainsley: just like the one addressed to john brennan, doesn't look like, maybe i'm wrong, doesn't look like there is any ink over the stamps, normally sent through the postal service. steve: hasn't been canceled. ainsley: so you can't reuse the stamps. >> right. steve: put the image bigger in the control room. go ahead, bernie. >> listen, the one thing i found fascinating hand delivery element of this, the investigation, where these things were delivered by hand of some sort to soros, to the clinton residence and maybe others. there's no way, these people, whoever is responsible for this, there's no way they haven't been captured on video already. brian: yeah. we saw that in austin, right? remember we saw that in austins. didn't share it until they found the guy?

>> exactly. steve: one other thing about it particular package, apparently debbie wasserman schultz's return address as well, see the band at a diagonal, apparently postage due, who sent it to joe biden was $3 and change short. he put the six forever stamps thinking, commissioner, he wouldn't have to talk to somebody behind the counter at the post office but he was short. ainsley: which means it will be returned to debbie wasserman schultz. >> exactly. this is amateur stuff. for any law enforcement agent that has been doing this for a while, if you saw that package, you would put that package aside to want a look at it as it is. i give the guys in the postal service enormous amount of credit. they caught some of this stuff, early on stuff in screening.

you know normal screening. so, you know, you have to think that the system is working. that is a credit to the people too. brian: commissioner, thanks so much. if you hear anything, please call us. we're hearing sirens in the background. we're in downtown new york city. ainsley: ambulance. brian: as we focus on place we're located it is not only place where there is action, we have a man working across the police from the post office reacting what he saw when he got to work in the philadelphia area. steve: new castle, delaware. brian: new, castle, delaware, he didn't know -- let's watch. >> that's crazy. we live in a crazy world. it is nonsense that they do things like this. it is just for attention. you know, we shouldn't have to be like this. steve: sounds as if a night package has been addressed to

the vice president. they did a sweep of his home yesterday in delaware and they could not find, you know, that package. as it turns out it was still at the post office. there it is right there with postage due, with a debbie wasserman schultz return address and with the vice president's address. we blurred it out at the bottom. let's bring in retired u.s. marine corps bomb technician, joey jones. what do you make of what we've seen so far regarding these devices? >> well we're seeing devices that look like bombs but may not function as bombs. the one picture we have there is a timepiece, a clock, some sort of visual clock on the outside of the bomb, if you're saying hey make something we think it is a bomb, that sounds pretty smart. you get into the intricacies of it. either these weren't made correctly or they weren't initially made to explode anyway. in any case you have to treat them like they're viable threat and that seems to be exactly what we're doing. steve: all right. let's put up the image of the

device you're referring to. it is the one that was intercepted there at cnn, addressed to john brennan. why would people put together a bomb that wait a minute really a bomb, joey? >> when you talk about terror, one of the things you have to realize, even when we talk about the threat of dirty bombs or radioactive bombs, it is not the effect they physically have. it is the effect they psychologically have. the threat, the idea of having multiple dirty bombs go off in cities all around the countries has been planned out by our enemies and discovered by our intelligence agencies last 20 years. the mys found out mass chaos imposing on us than physical harm. we don't know what their motives are. there is established motive among our enemies to inflict terror, even aside from the fact of physical harm.

brian: how much training, do you need, joey, to put together the device of what we know so far? what do you think of it? >> if this were a viable, functional device, what we've seen a picture of, that timer would essentially complete a circuit after predetermined amount of time was up. so usually that would be like from an alarm clock. when it hit zero or hit a time that made it ring or flash a light, you would reroute that signal to an explosive, when that signal went off it would blow up. from what we see with the picture, timer expired or battery went dead, it is no longer counting dead and nothing happens. chance that timer was used to arm the device. electronically initiate for that type of bomb, to do it electronically would be pretty sophisticated. they would take parts and pieces really hard to buy or even harder to make. see that there are eight, nine, 10 of these that haven't blown up, makes you believe chances are these are not necessarily

constructed to blow up but perhaps to inflict terror. that doesn't mean there isn't explosives within them. i heard a lot of talk, i don't know if they have been briefed, all the information i have is what we see on television, looking what happened, what we've been told, seems like these either weren't constructed properly or weren't intended to blow up to begin with. ainsley: when you woke up heard the news about another suspicious package being delivered what went through your mind? >> well it is much like what happened in austin last year. you don't know if the package was delivered this morning or went ought at same time as all rest of them. the first thing went through my mind when we had more than one, how many more are out there and how quickly can we find this person and get information from them. even if these seem to be hoax bombs, only takes one to go off and kill people. every single life is worth saving. every single person is worth fighting for. we're on a ticking time clock to

find the person, bring them in, to find out if anything else is out there. steve: joey as a former bomb tech, in "the new york times" they talk about how looking at the device intercepted at cnn, they say it has hallmarks of fake explosives thaw generally see on tv or in the movies. they say a digital clock was taped to the middle of the pipe, a feature expert say is shown in fictional bombs in effort to ratchet up dramatic tension but unnecessarily in real life. bomb-makers avoid attaching physical clocks to their devices to keep ticking off their targets that the bomb is about to explode. >> we have information from the packaging how they were delivered, to show there was a attempt to scare people or lead people on. you don't misspell florida, after putting together a sophisticated explosive device. you don't do those two things

together. there is an attempt to scare people on or have the exact reaction. perhaps we're doing exactly what they want to do. unfortunately that is our job so we notify people and people are aware. it is well-known, hey, a timer might countdown. bruce willis and stallone movies out there we're programmed to think that way. the truth is a timed explosive could be timed through all types of mechanisms and project boxes that don't have display screens or could be housed within the pipe itself. so at the end of the day we always say bombs are limited to the imagination of the bomber but it seems to be the simpler ones are the ones most effective. that is true overseas and usually true here. electronically initiated bomb is a pretty sophisticated one. there is a chance this person intended for all these to blow up and didn't know what they were doing well enough but as we've seen in austin last year, boston, information to build a bomb and successfully to blow it

up is not that hard to find and -- go ahead. ainsley: if they were supposed to blow up, there were so many mistakes made obviously it didn't detonate, thank goodness. but also like you said, florida is spelled wrong. the names of these individuals are spelled wrong. one was sent to address they no longer live at that address. the postage wasn't accurate or correct. they didn't put enough postage on it, knowing all of that, i know it is speculation, but what do you think about this suspect, whoever involved in -- >> hard to guess too much. one thing i can tell you the element of surprise will make someone look much smarter and well-planned than they actually are. we're at both end of the spectrum. we have to treat this each one were sophisticate tiffly designed and a plan in place so we're properly prepared and vigilant. with that being said i almost guarranty we'll find the person similar to austin versus tracking how the things were

delivered or different components were bought and purchased. one thing i tell you the fact none of them blew up there is treasure trove of the evidence, and a story to be told. fingerprints or tracking packages or looking to get surveillance or looking for purchases of pieces and items. one thing is that digital display looks like a clock, if that is consistent on all nine of these, we can find out who purchased more than 10 of them in the last year or who purchased more than eight of them in the last year. steve: sure. >> those types of pieces of evidence will start to come together. that is how we find the person. steve: why did they put debbie wasserman schultz as the return address and put a fake isis meme that quoted larry the cable guy on one of them. we don't have many answers. joey jones, bomb tech, thank you very much for shedding light on this area for us. we'll step aside. we'll be back in two minutes.

sarah huckabee sanders from the white house. experience amazing at your lexus dealer.

steve: fox news alert. let's take you down to new castle, delaware, right now. the fbi intercepting a boem apparently was addressed to former vice president joe biden. the ninth bomb discovered in the last few days, i would say the last few hours was found at a post office 10 miles from biden's house. the post office has been evacuated. all mail trucks have been moved to another location. apparently they swept the vice president's house yesterday. they did not find a bomb. they went to his post office. that is apparently they found this particular device. as you see right there it is loaded into a total containment vessel. brian: steve, looks exactly like what the nypd has, looks like it will go on a trailer, where the other one was in the same vehicle.

ainsley: it's a bomb dispose hal unit, they put them there, in case they do detonate it doesn't damage or injure anyone on the road where they transport the facility. brian: ainsley, as far as we know, none have blown up, even at the detonation center. ainsley: they have to treat it like they would. brian: they don't detonate it, they feel they can find out more by not blowing it up. bring in sarah sanders from the white house, obviously press secretary. sarah, you've been following all this last night to today, from the president's rally and beyond. what are your thoughts? looks like another critic of the president was targeted, robert de niro, joe biden who might be running against the president and critical of him. what do you make of this? >> the president has been made aware of the latest developments that have taken place this morning. as he said yesterday, as he continued to say from day one of taking office, that we condemn violence in all forms. this is a despicable act and

certainly something that should never take place in america. steve: absolutely. one hour ago the president treat tweeted this out, a very big part of anger we see in our society is caused by the purposefully false and inaccurate reporting the mainstream media i refer to as fake news. it has gotten so bad and hateful it is beyond description. mainstream media must clean up its act fast. what is the president saying there? >> certainly the media has a role to play in this process. when 90% the coverage about this president is negative, despite the historic successes, when ideas are perpetuated of an continued negativity not helpful for the american discourse. certainly the president is calling on everyone to come together. if you have a problem with one another, let's voice that but let's do so peacefully and do that at the ballot box. ainsley: we saw what happened to steve scalise where he was shot.

we saw what happened to you and your family in the restaurant. we have maxine waters that is calling for people to get into the face of folks in the administration they don't agree with. hillary clinton says we won't be civil until democrats are in power. not just saying it is democrats but it is on both sides but is this a good reminder to us we all need to take a step back? we can disagree about politics, but is this pretty scary to you, we're seeing more and more violence and threats? >> absolutely. as the president said yesterday, political violence has no place in our country, and it is certainly something that we won't tolerate, we won't stand for. we'll continue to condemn it. we'll provide every resource possible that the federal government has not only to prevent and stop these types of incidents but also get to the bottom of who is truly responsible for this. that is the person who sent the suspicious packages and we're

going to continue to do all we can to help support law enforcement, the secret service, the fbi, to make sure we find out determine who exactly that was. brian: sarah, what is homeland security doing right now? fbi is taking the lead. local police forces are fanning out whether delaware, new york, los angeles or florida, wherever city debbie wasserman schultz is in, so i'm wonder what is homeland security's role? >> they're doing everything they can. they're working with state and local law enforcement, with the fbi, with the united states secret service. every level of law enforcement that has a role to play, we are working with them and coordinating, making sure they have resources needed to get to the bottom of this. steve: sarah, last night at the wisconsin rally, the president called for a more civil tone. the nation must stop treating political opponents as morally defective. is the president going forward

changing his approach to the rally and criticizing his opponents? >> i think you saw that last night. certainly the president will continue to point out contrasts of policy between democrats and republicans. people absolutely have a choice to make on what they believe in and it couldn't be clearer. we could see that happen the next couple weeks when the elections take place. the president will continue to lay out that case but at the same time, we're condemning violence and calling on all americans to come together. brian: what is interesting, sarah, i think we get it more than most, we knew the president before he was president, as you see him go head-to-head with marco rubio and it got personal. he went head-to-head with ted cruz and it was personal, he went head-to-head with rand paul, it got personal he healed those friendships. do you think the president defined he is competing with issues not people, and it is not personal and he can go further

and define that? >> the president did exactly that last night. scott walker was also somebody the president campaigned against at one point. he was out at his biggest champion last night, laying out the case, the difference between democrats and republicans. there is a major political philosophical difference between democrats and republicans and there is nothing wrong with pointing those differences out. there is something wrong taking it to the point of violence we're looking at, taking place over the last 24 hours. the president has condemned that. all of us have but certainly perfectly acceptable and frankly the president's responsibility to lay out the political differences between democrats and republicans as we head into a midterm election. president has had a great two years in office, he has a story to tell and he should be able to express that and talk about it and contrast. ainsley: packages were sent in

the past to republicans. all these in the past two days have been democratic liberal figures but you're in the spotlight. you work for this administration. there are crazy people out there. has this changed the way you live your life? >> thanks changed the way i was living my life over the last several months. not forget an msnbc anchor said someone should ring my neck. a "washington post" columnist said i deserve ad lifetime of harrassment. i was first white house press secretary in the history of the white house have to have united states secret service. they don't do that because somebody said nasty things. they do that because there are credible threats. absolutely i understand this and threats people are experiencing over the last 24 hours. i think it is despicable, i think it is horrible. why the president is exactly right we have to continue to condemn this violence call it out exactly nor what it is. steve: the president called for

a more civil tone. some on the left, hey, all the stuff with the bombs being mailed around, that is the president's fault. >> i think it is absolutely disgraceful that one of the first public statements we heard from cnn yesterday was to put the blame and responsibility of this despicable act on the president and on me personally. when the person that is responsible for this is the person who made and created and put these suspicious packages in the hands, in the arms of innocent american citizens. that's the person responsible. i find that disgraceful that was one of the first statements is, they made this and tried to put the blame on the president. brian: you answered jeff zucker right on twitter right away. he has not responded. we see publicly. we saw "the new york times" today. they do have a fantasy, a fantasy scenario from fiction writers talking about one scenario where the president gets assassinated, where the

secret service collaborates with russians to kill him. what is your reaction to that? >> i find it absolutely abhorrent and disgraceful. it is exactly the type of thing the president was talking about is that type of activity is southernly not help -- certainly not helpful, certainly not at this time. steve: i find it incredible that they ran it today. >> i find it shocking they ran it today. brian: they're scrambling what is going on in delaware. we assume something to do with joe biden's address. this morning we wake up and find out that robert de niro's restaurant had package in it and we assume bomb-making materials inside. i know you have a schedule set up. do you want to announce anything that might be changing? >> i can tell you that the president has been briefed on both of these latest incidents by chief of staff kelly, and probably received further briefing later this morning. yesterday he was briefed by the

united states secret service, the fbi, the department of justice and dhs heads. we're continuing to monitor this, look for ways to prevent it. frankly find out at the end of the day who is fully responsible for this. make sure that we bring justice to that individual or individuals. ainsley: there is a tweet from john brennan, response to the president, he is one of the ones that was supposed to get one of these packages, this is the one they sent to cnn he just tweeted this. stop blaming others. look in the mirror. your inflammatory rhetoric, insults, lies and encouragement of physical violence are disgraceful. clean up your act. try to act presidential. the american people deserve much better. by the way your critics will not be intimidated into silence. what is your reaction? >> look, the president, i think could not have been more presidential yesterday when he spoke directly to the american people. he condemned this violence. let's not get lost in who is responsible for this heinous act. it is the person who made and

sent these suspicious packages. let's not forget that that is ultimately the person that is responsible and will be held responsible by this administration. brian: no reaction directly to john brennan who seems to be breaking with tradition as a former head of the cia, becoming what seems to be a pundit? >> i think we've made our opinions on former director brennan pretty clear over the past several months. certainly don't support the type of activity that he is enpaged in and don't think it is becoming someone a former director of the intelligence agency that he was. steve: side note, of course the midterm elections are a little less than two weeks away. i know the president and his team have announced that apparently he will make some other stops. given what is going on with these packages, will he continue on this very aggressive campaigning with the rallies and

what not? or will they pare things back or what is going on? >> certainly as of right now the president continues to lay out the case and political differences of democrats and republicans, as he certainly should. future and history of our country is at stake. americans have a decision to make in the next couple of weeks and president will lay out the case for why republicans have been successful over the last two years under his leadership. we have a booming economy. we have a massive amount of job creation, particularly in manufacturing, we have trade deals that everyone said couldn't be done. we have a national security issue at the border and we have to decide whether or not we want law and order at the border or whether or not we want open border. the president will lay out the case and americans will mick a decision and i think they will make right one. brian: 12 days and counting. sarah huckabee sanders, thanks so much for giving us 15 minutes

of your time. you might be one of the busiest people in america. >> thanks so much. great to be with you. ainsley: president is in charlotte, north carolina for a rally. they are ratcheting up security. they expect traffic to be bad because a lot of streets will be closed. steve: you're looking outside of one of the post offices in new castle county, delaware, where in the last hour they realized there was a package addressed to former vice president joe biden and it matched description of all the other ones. they have put it into a total containment vessel, vehicle, that is to say, they will take it off and it will be examined. let's bring in house majority whip steve scalise. he joins us right now. mr. scalise, what do you think of what we're seeing with a wave of packages addressed to democrats and prominent critics of the president being delivered all across the country? >> well, good morning. this is very disturbing what you're seeing. i'm very fully supportive of law

enforcement, confident they will find out who exactly did this they will figure this out. that person should be brought to justice and it should be swift. for now make sure we're calming down the rhetoric, not pointing fingers, my goodness the we should encourage law enforcement with all the tools they need. brian: when someone almost bled to death when you were shot by a bernie sanders supporter at second base trying to practice for a softball game, what do you want everyone to know what do you hope happens next 24, 48 hours as we go on an massive hunt to find out who is responsible? what will be your focus, steve? >> my focus is to be clear there is no place for this in american politics this is how things go in third world nations where people think they can go threaten, bully, intimidate, terrorize people based on their political views. that is not what our country is about. that is not what we'll be

ultimately b we'll figure outlaw enforcement will figure out who did this but there is no place for it. ainsley: after all the suspicious packages we started to determine they were all being sent to democrats people were on network shows blaming the president for this. john brennan is even responding to the president's tweet this morning saying stop blaming other the, look in the mirror. blaming him for his inflammatory rhetoric an insults and lies encouraging people to get violent. we had democrats that encouraged people to get violent, get in the face or seems like they were encouraging violence. when you hear both sides having these arguments, what goes through your mind? because you were targeted because you're a republican. today the story is a little different in fact that democrats are being targeted but is your message, enough is enough? >> it is. look the idea that somebody can use this and try to go and have a press conference blame somebody else that has nothing

to do with it, they don't even know the facts, this is the not the time to point fingers. we need to calm it down. everybody's rhetoric should be focused on the idea we have a great nation we can disagree with each other, you don't make it personal, you don't resort to attacks. if you threatening somebody else you pretty much lost the argument already. focus wing debate, if you have better ideas, show the ideas. we'll have an election 12 days ultimately settle the political differences. that is how we settle them in america at the ballot box, not the violence. brian: steve, did you blame bernie sanders for you being shot? >> no. brian: so why do you think everyone is intent on blaming the president? >> you know these are people that have hated everything the president stood for. donald trump ran somebody laying out a very specific agenda for this country to make america great again and he is doing it. all the things he has done as president, have been things he promised and it is working. we should be celebrating the fact our economy is doing so

well. that we're finally changing the direction of our country, getting things back on track. if somebody has a better idea, better set of ideas, let them lay that out. but they don't have an agenda. they want to make this about personality, they're against somebody. that is not what will win this election. i've been getting all around the country, people first of all they like economic growth we're having. they don't like tone of politics, when they see people threatening cabinet secretaries, run people it of restaurants based on their political views. that is not what america is. that will not win them the house or senate, whatever else they're trying to accomplish for election cycle. it's a battle of ideas. i think we have better ideas. we're working for president trump, working for families that have been forgotten for so long. they are glad somebody finally standing up for them. ainsley: does this change the way you live your life, when you go to the mailbox or even practicing for baseball? >> you can't let it change the way you live your life. if you do then they win.

so ultimately we've got to continue to go on with our life, be more vigilant, people have been really good over the years, especially since september 11th, if they see something suspicious they report it. that is why you're seeing so many latest packages being reported. people always have to be vigilant in america. people hate us for who we are, what our values are. it makes our country great because we have great values. people want to many could to our country to be part of the american dream. people want to come to the country to do us harm. we have to be aware of both. steve: mr. scalise, one of the things doesn't add up to the analysts on the air, everybody knows, members of congress, former presidents, democrats, americans, don't necessarily open their own mail. they go to a containment facility. every piece of mail in congress is opened off sight, often time in other states.

if they were trying, to you know, the person, blow up the person that it was addressed to, that person doesn't open the envelope. >> who knows what the real motivation is, what they're really trying to accomplish, but ultimately what i am confident of is that they're going to get caught. when they get caught we'll know a lot more. right now nobody knows anything about who is behind this. for them to try to give some kind of commentary about who is responsible for it, when they don't even know who is responsible for it, trying to assign blame to somebody, that is the kind of politics people really are disgusted by. this is not time for that. time for unifying. not change what is great about america. we have confidence in law enforcement we'll figure out how who did this and continue to move forward as the greatest country in the world. brian: attack on you should have been a wake-up call obviously wasn't. steve scalise.

thank you. >> great to be with you. steve: once again the suspicious package is being loaded into the total containment vehicle down there in new castle, delaware, at the post office. it was addressed to joe biden. bring in syndicated raid grow show host dana loesch, she joins us. dana, a lot of things going on in the news in the last 24 hours. looks like a lot of president's critics are targeted by these suspicious packages. >> good morning to all of you. i know it's a bad morning indeed. whoever is responsible, they have eyes on him or her. whoever the individual is, i hope they track them down to the end of the earth, bring them to justice what they're doing, regardless whether or not these devices are explosives or designed to fake people out, i know there are varying reports about a number of different devices that have been located. this is domestic terrorism. that is plain and simple what this is. it is domestic terrorism.

this is designed to incite, to frighten people, and to change behavior of americans and it is absolute hi inexcusable and you have full this is taking place. i'm glad that the president said what he said last night. i thought that his forceful condemnation and reminding everyone that, you know, here in the united states of america we can disagree passionately and we will disagree passionately, but at the end of the day, we're all humans. we're humans more than we are issues. and this, this is inexcusable. steve: it is inexcusable. there are all sorts of conspiracy theories floating around. i have heard some on radio. i've seen some online. seen some on television. it is too early for that. let's figure out who did it first. >> yeah. i don't know how anybody can make, speculate at all whatsoever we don't even have all the facts at hand. it is a crazy idea in this era of clickbait, everything wanting to be first.

generally a good thought to wait until we have all facts at hand before we make proclamations about people behind it. let investigators do their job. they're working overtime to keep people safe. see what they find. brian: dana, thing i found astounding, i was out of conrage for a few hours, other channels were teeing off on president. tim kaine says we have to fight in the streets. eric holder says we have to kick 'em. cory booker says get in the face of congresspeople. madonna, kicked us all off with donald trump, i thought about blowing up the white house. at very least they should understand there is rhetoric unnecessary on both sides. why don't you think people realize that? >> no one wants to take accountability. we live in era where nuance is dead, forgiveness is nonexistent, everybody wants a quick political jab at expense

of their own humanity. that is era which we live. that is pretty distopian. that is where we live. i was most disappointed, saw cnn president jeff zucker came out with his statement yesterday, i was really floored the president of a news agency would come out make a statement about motive or speculate about motive what is happening attribute it to the president. that seems completely the opposite objective what news organization and what a news organization should be doing, wildly speculating without any association at all whatsoever, trying to somehow blame it on the administration. i mean maybe let's get the facts first before we start politicizing it and using this further divide america. ainsley: that is the president of cnn, what about the president of the united states? his message last night calling for civil tone? he wants all side to come together in peace and harm money. he said he, he was immediately addressing suspicious packages out of the gate when he took the

stage. settle disagreements do it peacefully at ballot box. he says media has responsibility because they need to stop reporting false news and stop endless hostility. he wants us all to get along. your reaction? . .

>> bill: what we have learned so far today. at least two more suspicious packages have been discovered. one aim for the former vice president. and one for robert de niro. day two live inside of "america's newsroom" ." the next three hours will be interesting. >> sandra: i am sandra smith. the number of suspicious packages now stand at nine. in addition to joe biden and robert de niro, topics