>> [laughter] >> bill: go to mama. said every father, everywhere. a cute moment from last night to l.a., they move on friday night. good luck, i'm pulling for you. >> sandra: make sure you keep the dollars in your wallet. all right, that's it for us. "outnumbered" starts now. >> harris: a nationwide manhunt underway for the suspect or suspects behind ten suspicious packages sent to prominent democrat figures, focal trump critics, and cnn's offices in new york city. you are watching "outnumbered," i'm harris faulkner. here today melissa francis, host of "kennedy" on the fox business network, kennedy. former leader of the strategic negations for the hillary clinton camp and income adrienne elrod. in the center seat, former utah congressman and fox news contributor, and author, and so much more, jason chaffetz. >> jason: you are always so

nice to me! >> harris: of course! >> jason: she is so nice on television, she's even nicer on television. [laughter] you are nicer off-camera. as nice as it gets. >> harris: next time, i am will mention the title the book! >> jason: is there anything to talk about? >> harris: let's get to the news. there is a national full-scale investigation intensifying. earlier today, authorities discovered three additional suspicious packages. two were just to former vice president joe biden in delaware, and the other was adjusted actor robert de niro in new york city. if it is confirming that all three are similar in appearance. the devices recovered over the past few days. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge in washington, d.c., with the latest. >> the affair confirming through more packages all similar to those recovered earlier this week. as you mentioned, in

new york city, suspicious package adjuster actor robert de niro was found in the mailroom of his production company. this morning, two more packages were addressed to former vice president joe biden. one went to new castle, delaware. a second went to wilmington. we are told the packages are similar to the others intercepted in new york state, washington, d.c., and los angeles. they are all described as potential exposed advices that did not detonate. also, secret service confirming to fox news that the package never reached biden. also noting that the former vice president is no longer a secret service protect d. right now, investigation is unfolding in the last hours. multiple jurisdictions on the east and west coast. putting my day with a package to billionaire democrat donor george soros, former secretary of state hillary clinton, former president barack obama, former cia director john brennan, to cnn, eric holder, congresswoman

maxine waters. this morning, the attorney general jeff sessions we confirmed is getting regular briefings, and he promised results. >> this department is responding to the suspicious packages that have been sent to several political leaders and a media outlet in the last few days. yesterday i spoke with fbi director christopher wray, and deputy director david bowditch. we met with and breezed the president to bring him up to date. >> it was observed at the packages were not low-key. they had a lot of red flags that would attract attention from the excessive postage that we notedd return address. democratic congressman debbie wasserman schultz and the oversize computer-printed address labels. the official said it was not unusual to see pipe bombs and envelopes, they also added that the cell phone would appear to be a detonator and the white

powder in the cnn package may have also been designed simply to amplify panic, harris. >> harris: before i let go, what is the latest focus, if you will come of the are taking now? information you're getting? speak >> we had a conversation h mike mccall, chairman of the homeland security committee on the house side. he's getting regular updates. he confirmed to me that based on some of the postal markings he had been told the fbi had been able to refine its focus to some specific locations inside the united states. i also asked about this isis-sale marking on one of the devices. he confirmed it was there, but investigators believe it was designed to confuse. >> harris: again, the investigation may have narrowed. >> we are finding the focus geographically, yes. >> harris: catherine, thank you. >> melissa: in the meantime, president trump at a rally in wisconsin last night with a call for national unity and made the investigation into those

suspicious packages. watch. >> in these times, we have to unify. we have to come together. and send one very clear, strong, unmistakable message that acts or threats of political violence of any kind have no place in the united states of america. [applause] i would say very bipartisan, i could tell you from both sides. we both agree on that. >> melissa: after he made similar remarks earlier in the day, top congressional democrats nancy pelosi and chuck schumer pointing the finger at the president. in a joint statement saying "we listened with great interest to the presence remarks. we all take an oath to support and defend the constitution and protect the american people. that is our first responsibilit responsibility. however, president trump's words ring hollow until he reverses his statements that condone acts of violence. in the meantime, republican senator ted cruz says that democrats have been pushing divisiveness.

>> there are too many democratic politicians that are actively encouraging this. when maxine waters tells people "go, harass, scream, yell, go after people," that's wrong. when cory booker -- eats friend of mine -- when he stands up and says "go get in people's faces and scream and yell and harass them," that's wrong. >> what i'm saying is, i get that. do we need to cool down everywhere? >> everywhere, we do. i agree with that. i think it was unfortunate when hillary clinton said we can be civil after the democrats win. >> melissa: former top hillary clinton advisor is blaming president trump's rhetoric. watch this. >> this is someone who has weaponized trump's twitter feed and made it into a hit list. what we have seen, to date, is someone who whips up the crowd. he is addicted to their response, and they are addicted to his vitriol.

>> melissa: wow. congressman, where you start with all that? >> jason: donald trump reached his hand out and said this is the time to come to give it. i think it was a good, unifying message. only to have schumer and pelosi try and slap it away. everybody needs to take a deep breath. we can have vigorous -- and i mean vigorous -- to beat in this country. at the same time, when some but he does step over the line and wants to terrorize people by sending these packages and these bombs, they have gone too far. everybody should call it out for what it is. everybody. >> harris: can i ask a quick follow-up? why did it take suspicious packages with incendiary devices inside of them, potential bombs, to bring us to the point where people were crossing the line? the line wasn't crossed with some of the things that up and said recently from people on both sides of the aisle? the line wasn't crossed at the congressional baseball game when we saw what divisive and hurtful rhetoric can do to motivate those who don't have the mental

capacity not to harm us close to mark >> jason: i think after steve 's exclusive shot, there was a moment that took us to a place we wanted to be -- >> harris: where did it go? >> jason: i think marco rubio was most articulate in this. saying we don't resort to violence in this country because we are able to have this vigorous debate. but you can't take that as an excuse to be able to take action and harm somebody, and to encourage taking, verbally, out somebody while they are at dinner. that's is not acceptable. >> harris: we know you live among people. kennedy, you and i talk about mental health over time. not to mix the bag, but we know there are some among us who are weak and are looking, perhaps, for the opportunity to step in and do something. it doesn't take much. >> kennedy: it doesn't, it doesn't have to be politicized. what we are really taking the focus off of, someone who is so clearly imbalanced, it is a form

of terrorism. that's what it's meant to do. it is meant to scare people with so many unpredictable and unknown elements, because we don't know if there are more packages out there. we don't know if this is a person or a group. we don't know necessarily what the motivation is. all we can look at is the timing before the midterms. i think, really, this is a situation -- and the more situation, the more because we have to have -- between what actually happened and blaming one another. how we got to this place. >> melissa: is this the perfect opportunity to just take a breath and take a break? does this stop with the blaming of everyone else customer called hysteria? isn't this the perfect opportunity and perfect excuse to just take it down a notch? >> adrienne: it is, and needs to happen. sooner rather than later, someone is going to get hurt. i hope donald trump will never

chant "lock her up," at a rally again. i agree, both sides are to blame for this. i don't think people should be attacked when they are having dinner. because people disagree with their policies. people are upset and angry in this country right now. there is a lot at stake. you've got children being separated from their families of the border, you've got the potential of a woman's health at risk. >> melissa: don't you think it's not helpful for injecting injecting -- >> kennedy: you are listing of talking points. we need a civil conversation. we need to come to a mutual understanding that it doesn't have to do with politicking and trying to -- >> adrienne: i'm simply trying to lay out to why there is so much anger and frustration in this country right now on both sides. because we do have policy differences. that's what we need to do. we need to focus on having a policy discussion, as opposed to tossing around hateful rhetoric. the president of the united states' words do matter. >> kennedy: that's interest

in, because pelican is that we can't step aside from the hateful rhetoric until democrats have bullied their way -- be five she was talk about policy. >> kennedy: that's part of the problem. >> harris: maxine waters, i'm now seeing people on other networks, on other media outlets, calling her out from every political stripe and even with no political strike. both sides can come to the table now and admit that they have made mistakes. congresswoman maxine waters called for the attacks of those people with whom you don't agree. which, by the way, what the heck is she doing for the people in her district she represents? she not advocating for them, because your group is an everybody? there is a whole lot of meat on the bone, politically, i think we can chop it. in the meantime, i do get to a space when where the president shows up in wisconsin and the crowd, not him, the crowd is screaming "lock her up," on a day that hillary clinton and her family have had something mailed to them? they didn't receive it, it was

mailed to them. how do we get to a space when our neighbor looks and says "maybe not tonight. let's hear what the president has to say." and when he leads us into a neutral position, let's follow him and lets us into his words. it's on all of us, adrienne. >> adrienne: it is. what i would like to see the president do the next time his audience at his rallies chance "lock her up, lock her up," i would like to hear him say "you know what? stop saying that. we got to reset, here. >> harris: he said -- >> melissa: can we start by not pointing to what the person on the other side did to create this customer and how about that? that's really simple. >> harris: we are in it to give. >> melissa: do not sit there and point to with the other team did to cause this. how about we all take a breath and a step back? >> jason: we don't know the perpetrator, we don't know the motivation. we don't know what's behind it. but when the president and others -- it's still ongoing. you know what? these packages aren't getting to the principles whose names are on these packages. if these men and women who work

in these male ribs, the rank and file police officers, that has to do with it, that are in the actual line of threat as these things go through. i've got to tell you -- the assignment of blame right out of the, from guys like him, is terribly irresponsible. >> that kind of vitriol should actually be condemned. it's not okay because no one has gotten killed. this is not an appropriate time to have that level of vitriol when you are talking about being minutes or hours away from attempted assassinations in this country. >> that's true that's true. >> harris: very well put. >> melissa: president trump renewing his vow to call out the military as the migrants move toward the u.s. democrats are feeding facing c. is this their midterm strategy? plus, former trump campaign advisor george papadopoulos in a closed her interview after hitting that he was set up in

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he became very fused person to plead guilty to the mueller probe. publicans are hoping he can bolster their case regarding poetical bias in the run-up to the trump-rush investigation. democrats are looking to press him on his medications with the former foreign professor who told papadopoulos in 2016 that russians had driven hillary clinton. the form of thousands of tax emails. papadopoulos has recently been applying on social media that he was set up. here's mark meadows on what he's hoping to learn today. >> obviously, george papadopoulos was the reason why this whole rush investigation was opened. it was a predicate for the affair. hopefully we will learn today exactly what was said, what was not said. i think what we will find is that this was not someone who was colluding with russia. quite the opposite.

>> jason: the questioning will be of blood on the side by ratcliff out of texas. there will be others in the room as well. this is a better setting to do this, because you can go for one hour each side. unlike the 5 minutes to get in the public preview go one hour. the democrats, when our third republicans, vice versa. you can continue as long as you want. that's why sometimes these things go for eight or nine hours. all the procedural yourself that happens. the timeline is one of the key things, here. officials trying to claim that this started at this date in july, but there is evidence that suggests that is wrong. really wrong. the questioning will be, in part, but what did he say and not say. it's not trying to rehash whether or not he lied to federal officials, which he evidently did and has done sometime before. what was the timeline like? why are there other people that

were engaging with him to potentially set him up and then justify this fisa application? >> melissa: why does it matter if it's earlier? >> jason: this is cute with the inspector general's looking at. he does this report and says "i find no impetus to affect what they did, based on bias." but what you can look at is, did the same fbi officials use time? did they use resources? did they spend money? did they pay informants? why did they do that? there's a lot of concern that they were targeting a political campaign and donald trump, as opposed to following the leads based on investigations that may have, you know, encompass this person or not. that's why the timeline -- because peter strzok, in particular, started spending time in making resources and sending these text messages that they can compare the timelines. >> melissa: before any why didn't he think i'm is what you're saying. before anything suspicious, they were already -- >> jason: before they had evidence, where the allocating

resources to try and do this? is the question. speaker it's interesting, because a look at best and think, what would some operatives on hillary clinton's campaigns, what has where theye done? i think there's a lot of people in this competitive environment to want to make your boss happy. who wanted to live or something, unfortunately, with both sides. they reached into international filth in order to get opposition research on their opponents. was george papadopoulos goaded into breaking the law, or was he somehow -- i don't know -- given liquor and given this information so he would spill what he knew in order to justify this? talking to people who were actively working with the fbi? there are still a lot of things we don't know about this. so many questions on both sides. how the federal government is able to investigate people, and what means they are willing to use and are capable of using to

extract information without someone's knowledge. that leads to gross abuses of power, regardless of who is in power. >> harris: adrienne? >> adrienne: i think george papadopoulos is trying to get a book deal right now. he might be trying to get a television deal. >> harris: oh, boy. >> adrienne: i think he enjoys the limelight. he's been using his twitter feed recently to peddle some conspiracy theories. from what we understand today he will be trying to say this is like a deep state conspiracy theory. i don't know... it to me highlights the importance of why we have this investigation. we have to figure out what happened. >> jason: you think the mueller investigation -- >> melissa: use paid by the russian somehow, though? >> adrienne: i don't know. >> then you are talking about pollution. many of people being paid by foreign entities in order to affect the outcome of the campaign. have we seen that yet? >> adrienne: no. what we have seen --

>> is not the point of the investigation? >> adrienne: you get people bike george papadopoulos were more than happy to testify because they enter the till mie enjoyed the limelight. >> jason: that's unfair. he was called for the congress the first time, and you say it's because he likes the limelight? it >> adrienne: look at his twitter feed. he has conspiracy theories. >> jason: you have too much time on your hands if you're watching his twitter feed. >> adrienne: i'm reading about it. >> jason: i think it's unfair somebody to try and cast dispersion upon the prayed i don't think he asked for this. i don't think his life is better because he has been thrown into this predicament that he has. i do think he has something he wants to share. there's a lot of evidence out there, the highest echelons of the fbi were acting inappropriately. that's why the inspector general doesn't write what he has written. when you look at what happened with the fisa visas and the other allegations out there, that needs to be written. >> harris: one thing we do want to say, because people are wondering, papadopoulos has lied

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potentially dangerous consequent as of heated rhetoric, and calling on the media to play a part in easing tensions. watch. >> the media also has a responsibility to such a civil tone and to stop at the hostility and constant negative and oftentimes false attacks and stories. they have to do it. [cheers and applause] they've got to stop. bring people together. >> kennedy: the president treating this morning, "a very big part of the angle we see today in our society is caused by the perfectly false and inaccurate reporting of the mainstream media that i referred to as fake news. it has gotten so bad and hateful that it is beyond description. mainstream media must clean up its act, fast!" one of the started by a male bum, john brennan, responding to the president on twitter. writing "stop blooming others! look in the mirror.

your inflammatory rhetoric, insults, lies, and encouragements of physical violence are disgraceful. clean up your act. try to act presidential. the american people deserve much better. by the way, your critics will be intimidated into silence." and here's a statement from jeff zucker, released after his offices in new york were evacuated. "there is a total and complete lack of understanding at the white house about the seriousness of their continued attacks on the media. the president and especially the white house press secretary should understand that their words matter. thus far, they have shown no combination of that." his statement drawing this rebuke from sarah sanders. >> i think it is absolutely disgraceful that one of the first public statements we heard from cnn yesterday was to put the blame at the responsibility of this despicable act on the president and on me, personally. the person that is responsible for this is the person who made and created and put these

suspicious packages in the hands and then the arms of innocent american citizens. >> kennedy: all right, the president attacking the media and the head of a giant media organization, jeff zucker, attacking the president. and his press e. isn't that the opposite of where we want to be on a day like today? >> jason: yes, and the former -- for john brennan to make that immediate conclusion that this was obviously donald trump's fault -- that is unfair, it's inaccurate, it is the unknown. it's where we are today. we don't of the perpetrator, we don't know the cause, we don't know what they are trying to do. whether it's a group or an individual, they are so many unknowns. and, at a time where -- i think the media, for a long time, has hoped and wanted that donald trump would say something that they view as responsive. then the president goes and does that, and they neatly spot him for it. >> what could the presidency on a day like this? what would you like to hear from

them that you think journalists and titans like jeff zucker would appreciate? >> adrienne: i think he could have refrained from tweeting when he tweeted this morning. the president seems to think that any sort of negative media coverage on him is a result of the media being biased, when the media is oftentimes simply covering what he says and what he does. i'm going to try again to try and have a conciliatory tone in here because i think both sides are as possible. i would like to see this is a moment where we can all reset. but, look -- jeff secker is not going to forget that donald trump treated himself in a wrestling ring, body slamming -- not a real scene, but somebody with a cnn image superimposed. both sides, is the responsibility -- please, let's use this as a reset. i hope the president will take the time to do that. >> harris: we and the media accept the responsibility of what we do. i think we always have a healthy

regard for targeting that can happen because we are put into positions to report difficult stories. when you draw a further target on us, in some people's minds -- and those would be the unhealthy among us -- it means "that means we can go after whomever we want." it isn't that any one side has directed them to go do it. again, as i said earlier, some of them are just looking for a reason to go do something. we in the media, we know. when you're out in public, we know sometimes people don't like the weather. i worked in local media for a long time, they don't like this, and they can get heated about it. vicki meant about things. but it is on all of us now. we need to stop looking for everybody else to fix our problems. this is our problem. we own it. actually, we built it. we can fix it, together. we can remind our neighbors, we can ask -- melissa and i are quite close, and i say "correct

me when i'm wrong." she loves it. >> melissa: left mike that's not true! >> harris: that's what we do for one another. look at what we're doing right now, we are laughing! that's the whole point. >> kennedy: how do we get past the notion that we are on two different sides? you are on one side of the chasm. you are the enemy. species one sometimes it's preprinted and not as great as it looks. wouldn't he be nice if we can get together in the middle of the request mark we can bring our differences with us. i'm different from most people that i meet. i'm very taipei. >> the differences more unites us then divide it's us. a lot of the issues are about policy. i think we ultimately have the same goals. want to provide a good life for ourselves, and our families. we just have different ways of going about it. setting aside -- this hateful rhetoric is not helpful. it's fair to have a policy discussion and a debate about what the right course of action

is for our country. but to see the sort of divisive rhetoric. it's not -- >> melissa: maybe we all take responsibly for ourselves and what we are saying, and it starts there. when you look at how jeff zucker responded -- maybe you remember that there are videos online about how people have posted what he lives in where he children lives. you may not have liked what he had to say -- i don't get help -- but your member that his family has been threatened. he's coming from a place of feeling physically threatened. >> kennedy: i think you're right. when people feel like -- if they have gone too far, instead of apologizing -- because then, you feel defensive. if someone attacks you for doing the right thing. instead of extending some grace to you, they extend ammunition. >> harris: by the way, congressman, are they still having those nice lunches and dinners on the hill?

remember back in the day, decades ago, people would get together and do some of that stuff? >> jason: i think people would be amazed how often that actually happens. >> harris: don't have that prayer breakfast? >> jason: most everyone of us gets along in a pretty congenial way. i hate to name them out there because i don't people to think -- it would happen most nights. there would be a bipartisan group of people getting together. what becomes newsworthy is one, all of the son, maxine waters is going out there saying "let's be aggressive against these people!" that's what becomes -- it doesn't get called out. that's the problem. speech due to her credit, if maxine waters went out today on a giant box and said "let's be nice to each other!" no one would cover it. the present can come out and say "let's get together, let's pause." >> harris: he did last night were talking about it. maybe that's a start. one less thing -- why can't

people apologize to each other anymore? does it take your power away to say "i'm sorry customer" we teach our kids to do that. everybody so silent. >> jason: i'm sorry. [laughter] >> harris: you're a hoot! >> kennedy: president trump slamming democrats on illegal immigration as his administration prepares to send more troops to our southern border as that massive caravan moved north. democrats taking heat for being silent on the issue. we have got details, we have got to debate. very simple debate. >> as we speak, the democrat party is openly encouraging caravan after caravan of illegal aliens to violate our laws and break into our country. ♪ you earned the powerful va benefit that lets you buy a home with no down payment. and with a newday va loan, you don't have to save up to move up. and because newday usa has been granted automatic authority by the va, they can say yes when banks say no.

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>> harris: fox news alert, defense secretary jim mattis is sending roughly 800 active-duty u.s. troops to the nation's southern border ahead of the arrival of that migrant caravan that is moving north through mexico. across three countries already.

on the campaign chair, president trump put the blame for the caravan at the feet of the democrats. >> as we speak, the democrat party is openly encouraging caravan after caravan of illegal aliens to violate our laws and break into our country. [boos] of a crisis in the border -- and it is a crisis -- it's crazy -- it's crazy -- right now, it is the sole result of democrat laws and activist democrat judges that do whatever they want. >> harris: earlier this week, vice president pence talked with the president of honduras. here's what he had to say. >> i spoke to president hernandez, of honduras. he told me that the caravan is now making its way through mexico, headed for the southern border. it was organized by leftist organizations and financed by venezuela. the united states of america intervenes and prevents ten

terrorists, or suspected terrorists, from coming into our country every day. it is inconceivable that there would not be individuals from the middle east as a part of this growing caravan. >> harris: democrats are now taking heat for staying silent on the issue head of the midterms. the editorial board of bloomberg news wrote this -- "democrats have been have been ominously silent. this is a mistake, and an abdication of responsibility. democrats were trying to make the case for their ascension in the midterm elections need to make clear that they agree with trump on the need for a secure border and that they are prepared to work with him to ensure that it remains so." a couple days ago, on is p26, i brought up the sound bite from then-senator barack obama. he said almost an echo of what people were saying on the other side of the aisle. what has happened to the conversation has split now?

>> jason: democrats have morphed and gone far left. they are advocating for the abolition of ice. a lot of them want open borders. they are in favor of the century cities. they don't want to build the wall. some would advocate that you should take down with the rest of the current wall that is there. they want amnesty. those are not policies that dissuade somebody from taking their life in their own hands, trying to come up and go north of the border into the united states. vice president mike pence is absolutely right -- i went to the eua detention facility in arizona. there were more than 150 different countries are presented there. that is people who came across the border, got detained, went to the detention facility, it such as mexicans, hondurans, and guatemalans. 150 countries are represented. my guess is, if you have back there today, same statistic still today. >> harris: adrienne, you are at the enumeration of things the democrats want. why did they want that? >> adrienne: we don't want all of those things. >> harris: do you want some of them? do you want no wall?

>> adrienne: we don't want a wall, we want stronger border security. >> jason: if no wall, what do you think border security is? >> adrienne: putting more agents of the border. you don't need a freaking wall. it's not cost effective. >> jason: democrats have never taken the position that they are worried about the cost. >> adrienne: of course we are worried about the cost! >> jason: would you take down the current wall? would you take it down? >> adrienne: we support compromising on stronger security measures that putting more agents of the border. >> jason: but the policy is that you have >> that doesn't matter >> it >> adrienne: we don't want to build a giant wall to take us further into debt. >> jason: the present way out there with a dac a6. >> adrienne: he kept changing his mind to figure out what -- >> jason: he never to the table.

what is the policy? >> harris: there's also video of -- >> jason: yes, and it deters. >> adrienne: i want to make one final point. to put this on democrats so irresponsible. number one, democrats do not have any control of the the hor senate. they have a voice but they don't leave the committees. they don't have the chairmanships in the committees. >> melissa: really quickly -- they are going to have the hat trick, thousands had appeared will you please make sure at that point that you pass them copperheads of immigration reform? when you have the opportunity cost mark >> adrienne: we would love to. be three in 2,090 did obamacare, which is god-awful. it's impossible to separate and extricate from. immigration would have been much more helpful. you can also make a better case by saying "we want illegal immigration of people who want to come here, work hard, and make our country better. that's an up or bright line but democrat's aren't even making

that. they are running for migration. as soon as you start argument immigration, he pivots health care. >> harris: thereafter run from it now because of the visual of this whole caravan. it's like a big reminder of what has been dead. what were they doing in 2009? they were sending some of the money allocated twosix to shore up that wall/fence line, which nicely some democrats want to track down. >> jason: i was on the immigration subcommittee come on the judiciary committee, i sat there for two years. in two years, they had two meetings. one was of stephen colbert to hear his testimony. there was to do group photo. they never even introduced a bill, and the democrats today still can't point to a bill that they would support and want to see past. >> harris: a new twist in the disappearance and murder of a u.s.-based journalist. why it's may and the pressure on the saudis and jeopardize their lines with the united states. setting new developments. stay with us. ♪ high blood pressure and cholesterol.

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>> melissa: more out numbered in just a moment. first, let's check in with harris and see what is coming up on "outnumbered overtime" just a few moments from now. >> harris: melissa, thank you. as a massive manhunt continues for whomever sent at least ten suspicious packages now in the mail, the latest to former

vice president joe biden and actor robert de niro. we look at the latest from buck sexton, a former member of the nypd intel division. plus, the first person to plead guilty in the mueller investigation, former trump 2016 advisor george papadopoulos. in a closed-door interview today with lawmakers. amid reports that he is going to tell them, the fbi and british intelligence work to sabotage the trump campaign. we'll cover that. that's at the top of the hour on "outnumbered overtime." melissa? >> melissa: looking forward to it. a twist in the murder of a u.s.-based journalist, according to saudi state media. they say they have reviewed evidence from turkish investigators in the new information shows the killing of khashoggi was preplanned by the suspects. the saudi government designs dy

involvement in the murder, which was originally blamed on a brawl at their extendable consulate. meanwhile, cae chief gina haspel has reportedly listened to audio that reportedly captured the chilling of khashoggi. they are telling fox news that gina haspel is currently at the white house to brief the president on the investigation. this comes after secretary of state mike pompeo announced they are revoking agents visas for e agents involved in the killing. president trump has grown increasingly skeptical of the saudi expedition, calling it the worst cover up in history. amid all this, the saudis powerful crown prince making his first public remarks since khashoggi's disappearance. yesterday, at an investors conference but he is calling the killing "a heinous crime that cannot be justified." he also said, congressman, that he sought the international community -- or whoever was trying to drive a wedge between themselves in turkey, which i wasn't sure they were that close right now anyway -- what do you make of the latest in all this? >> jason: i don't think they were very close. there are some who want to try

and displace the current crown prince, given his young age in his 30s. there some try and take advantage. nevertheless, the saudis have been wrong on this every step of the way. it's almost laughable to success that a spontaneous brawl broke out. somehow it's 18 versus one. i think the president and secretary of state mike pompeo have taken the right tempered approach. the cia director is the one that has the cards. she's going to know was happening. it's a tough, tough decision that goes to the president about how far you take this and making sure that there is some degree of accountability, even though it's not a u.s. person. what degree of accountability are we going to hold saudi arabia too? >> melissa: they admit that it was preplanned. that meets the obvious question of "by whom?" if they say the crown prince wasn't behind it, is that believable? >> kennedy: what's next? he lived, then they said "yes he was there but he died." now they are saying "yes he was

there, he was murdered." now they are saying "yes, he was there, he was murdered, it was premeditated." that story has changed i only got done a very dark road. the second is, you're not hearing from saudi investigators that it was premeditated. it looks like these are people who have an ax to grind with the crown prince. >> jason: i'm sure that body double was just a coincidence. >> kennedy: the fake period. >> jason: i thought i saw you... [laughter] >> melissa: adrienne, where does this go from here? how do you trust any of the investigations, whether it's the wind out of turkey -- i know officials are on the ground, they are trying to figure out what happened, but i don't know that we ever feel like we will know what happened. >> adrienne: i don't either. we keep getting all these conflicting reports from the saudi arabian regime. the more difficult task, i think, that we have to look at -- how do we handle our

diplomatic relations with saudi arabia moving forward? they are such an important ally to us in the middle east, geopolitically speaking. how does the president have -- how does the administration go forward on that? >> melissa: that will be interesting. thanks to all of you. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. as a country give you as a veteran is the eligibility for a va loan for up to 100% of your home's value. if you need cash for your family, call newday usa. with automatic authority from the va, we can say yes when banks say no. give us a call. call now: 1-855-376-1361.

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