>> bill: you're going to get rich hanging out with me, kid. >> sandra: thank you. >> bill: there's the winner right there. look at her. >> sandra: big winner! [laughter] a good sport. that's it for us. facebook.com/outnumberedfnc starts right now. >> melissa: fox news alert, we are awaiting the first court appearance of the suspected gunman in saturday's massacre at a pittsburgh synagogue that left 11 people dead. they say it was fueled by anti-semitic rage. this feds are poorly dell micro poorly the death penalty robert bowers from the pittsburgh area. he has just run at federal court. this is facebook.com/outnumberedfnc and i melissa francis. here today is harris faulkner. kennedy, commentator and fox news contributor rachel campos-duffy, and joining us on the couch today, josh holm, republican strategists and

former chief of staff to senator mitch mcconnell. he is outnumbered. it is a tough day to be here but we really appreciate you coming into help us sort through some of these issues. >> josh: thank you, it's good to be here. >> melissa: we are getting new details on the victims killed inside the tree of life synagogue. among them, a grandfather, a husband and wife, and two brothers. authorities detailed the gunman's chilling words as he unleashed terror inside that house of worship. >> during the course of the deadly salt of the people of the synagogue, bowers made statements regarding genocide and is desired to kill jewish people. after a standoff with police, bowers officially eventually sd and remains in federal custody today. our complaint charges bowers with 29 separate federal crimes. there are 11 counts of murdering victims who were in extra exercising their religious beliefs.

>> melissa: david is live with the latest. >> melissa, they are saying they are treating the attack of the synagogue is a hate crime. the victims were all targeted sibley because of their religion. they were jewish. the alleged shooter, 46 year old robert bowers, entered the tree of life synagogue on saturday morning armed with three handguns as well as an ar-15 style semiautomatic rifle. during the rampage, authorities say he fired all four weapons. the death toll, as you mentioned, stands at 11. some people were able to escape unnoticed by the gunmen. barry warburg lived, but his friend, melvin, did not. >> there was a pause in the shooting. mel wax pushed the door open. i tried to stop him. he pushed the door open. i heard some shots. he falls back into the room. >> dozens turned out last night for an interfaith vigil here in pittsburgh. among the speakers, the tree of

life rabbi, jeffrey meyers. >> i helped pull out the people that i could from the front, but i had eight people in the back. one, fortunately, survived. my congregants were shot dead in my sanctuary. my holy place has been defiled. we will rebuild. >> underscoring that, rabbi myers says the synagogue is going to recover. he urged people last night at the vigil to stop using words of hate. at this hour the alleged gunman, 46-year-old robert bowers, is in a federal courthouse here in pittsburgh. his initial court appearance is scheduled to get underway in a little less than an hour and a half. back to you. >> melissa: david, thank you. in the meantime, the gun debate

is in full swing once again. after that gunman killed 11 people in a pittsburgh synagogue on saturday using multiple weapons, including an ar-15 semiautomatic weapon. some synagogues and churches have an increase in security and president trump, on saturday, suggested that the pittsburgh synagogue should have had an armed guard. watch. >> nobody knows exactly what took place yet. it's too soon. but this is a case where they had an armed guard inside, they might have been able to stop him immediately. this would be a case for -- if there was an armed guard inside the temple, they would have been able to stop him. maybe there would have been nobody killed except for him, frankly. it's a very difficult situation. >> do you think that all churches and synagogues should have armed guards? >> i hate to think of it that way, i will say that. i hate to think of it that way. we will see you -- >> is that we are suggesting?

>> it certainly an option. >> melissa: new york city mayor bill de blasio gripping the president's push for him security religious menus. watch this. >> we should never allow the normalization of hate. that's not what we will stand for. in that vein, we have to say what was said yesterday was also unacceptable. no, houses of worship do not need to have armed guard to be able to practice their religions. that's not america. [applause] >> melissa: josh, i will go to. you hear mayor de blasio say that, but as a new york citizen, as i walk around the synagogues and mice in in my area they do have guards. i don't want to say they have to have them. where does this go? >> josh: boy, listening to the rabbi -- the sadness in his voice. that's hard to process. i think where i come down on this, honestly, is each congregation should have the opportunity to defend itself how

it sees fit. the idea that the government is mandating that we either have security guards armed inside or not, or in the case of mayor de blasio, banning weapons from being in a congregation. i think that's the wrong answer. i think the right answer is each congregation needs to do what they think is in the best interest of themselves. >> we had alan dershowitz on this weekend, he says he goes through metal detector when he goes to his temple. it is already happening, as you said. this weekend in birmingham, alabama, there was a mcdonald's -- a customer came in, saw a guard, shot and killed the guy. by the way, the customer was shot and one of his sons that was with him was shot. the employee of mcdonald's heard the shot, hid in the freezer when it was all done and over. he said this guy's a hero. think he was here. god knows what what could happe happen. it could have been up to the

church or the synagogue where the temple to go "we want this." there will be churches, say, in texas who will have a parishioner willing to stand at the door and is trained to do it. i think the federal government should step in if there are churches or synagogues that can't afford that kind of protection. let's give it to them. >> melissa: interesting perspective. kennedy? >> kennedy: so much of this boils down to personal responsibility and introspectio introspection. it is up to the individual. it is up to the individual congregation, and we look at these things and they feel like they are unthinkable, but they are really not. so many of the synagogues really do consult with security experts. they do, such as tree of life, they do consult and try and figure out the best way to handle an active shooter. all of our public schools do the same thing, and you can be as prepared as possible but sometimes it's just not enough. one thing you have to realize is the government may not always be there to protect you. it may be up to certain

individuals, whether it's someone who is in charge of a synagogue, or a church, or a mosque -- they decide how well-armed they are, and i agree with josh. i don't think the federal government should be imposing rules and restrictions on places of worship. but we also have to look at ourselves and have a conversation. what am i turning a blind eye to in my family and my community? how can someone like this be able to put up the kind of information that he was without people around him -- even his neighbor said, it's not like he ran around screaming racial or anti-semitic epithets. if he had, perhaps they would have done something. >> melissa: we will talk about that a little later. >> harris: maybe they would have known. we can't say that that information was out there, because it was. i would say this -- boy, this is tough. how do you protect yourself from people in the community who want to do you harm for whatever

reason? this feels personal, as americans. we were supposed to be a bastion where people who were persecuted and went through so much more outside this country were supposed to have a different level of safety. we need to demand that for ourselves, as well. what happens on a saturday at a temple or a shul, particularly, in this case, a synagogue, the door is left open sometimes. as it was left unlocked with this one. you never want a community of worship to not feel like it's an open venue. but we are troubled and this time with security issues. i think, as you all are saying, we have to take an individual look at each place. you know, there was, in kentucky -- jeffers town, kentucky, last week -- another instance where a man targeted, we think, two people of color. we don't know, they haven't finished their investigation. he went to a predominantly black church first. when he couldn't get income he went to the kroger and shot two

black women. these incidences are very different. but we, as americans, have to make sure we're doing all we can. we want to offer help, as rachel has suggested, that's interesting thing to do. if you don't have the resources for it, maybe that's where government comes in. but when you have people congregating, for whatever reason, in our society -- we saw this with gabby giffords in arizona. this isn't the first time we have learned this lesson. crazy people are going to go to places where we gather. let's make sure that we are having this conversation. clearly, that conversation about leaving the door unlocked is a tough one. because of the place of worship. i just want to put it all out there. this is personal to all of us. these are all of our people in america. >> kennedy: kirstjen nielsen said that they were in that church recently, giving advice on security. they didn't leave a guard there but they did talk about it. >> harris: the one in jeffers town. yes, prayer for all of it. last week was just -- it was tough. >> melissa: will talk more

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>> harris: fox news alert, cnn says another suspicious package has been intercepted at an atlanta post office area. their headquarters are in atlanta, as well. it was addressed to the cnn center in atlanta, and is reportedly similar to the others mailed to high-profile democrats and president trump critics. this comes as the suspect,, accused of mailing those of their 14 pipe bombs, is due in a south florida court later today. he faces numeral federal charges

that could result in him spending up to 48 years in prison. he targeted -- his targets included former president obama, hillary clinton, former attorney general eric holder, senators kamala harris from california and cory booker of new jersey, california congresswoman maxine waters. steve harrigan's life or is outside the u.s. district court in miami. steve, a busy afternoon ahead. >> harris, it keeps coming. a short time ago the news broke that another suspicious package -- this one addressed to the cnn center in atlanta -- was intercepted at an atlanta post office. cnn officials have stressed that there was no danger to cnn from the package due to the fact that all mail addressed to cnn has been screened off-site since last week. in the meantime, here, we are waiting about two hours from now for the first court appearance. the initial hearing of, the 56-year-old man accused of planting -- sending 14 pipe bombs through the mail to prominent democrats and critics of president trump. it's likely to be a brief affair in court, probably just about 1.

the judge will ask sayoc about his attorney and they will also discuss the charges against him and possible extradition to new york. those charges are serious. five federal counts, and they could put him away for up to 48 years in prison. they could also add additional charges, including one of the use of a weapon of mass destruction. that would mean life in prison for sayoc. we're getting a bit more of a picture of him in recent years from some a strange family members. his sister saying about seam 17, "we hope he gets the mental health that you need so desperately." also, in recent years he's become weirder and weirder." he has had a string of arrests including for felony fraud and theft. he has gone through foreclosure on his house, declared in group c, and for the past several years has lived in that notorious white van. now, investigators think he may have used it as a laboratory to construct this pipe bombs. back to you. >> harris: steve, thank you very much. president trump is ripping the

mainstream media some say his rhetoric is to blame for some of the recent violence. take a look at this op-ed in "the washington post" asking "how much responsibility does trump bear for the synagogue shooting at pittsburgh customer" the president tweeted this -- "there is great anger in our country caused by fraudulent reporting of the news. the true enemy of the people must stop the open and obvious hostility and report the news accurately and fairly. that will do much to put out the flame of anger and outrage. we'll then be able to bring all sides together in peace and harmony. fake news must end!" counsels the present, kelly and conley, echoed his words. watch. >> i can't believe on these shows and over the weekend people are pointing the finger. media making it about themselves cut it out. for my for school-age children, it's a lesson that there is evil in this world that people were gunned down because of their faith. because of their jewish faith. a year and a half earlier, steve

scalise almost lost his wife crawling across the outfield in his own blood because that person was coming there to "pot republicans." you've got to call it what it is. this present is asking us to rise above it and come to give and unify the nation. anybody saying he isn't isn't listening. >> harris: former white house communications chief anthony scaramucci says that, while he sees blame on both sides, he wishes his former boss would tone it down. watch it. >> i think there is problems on both sides. i also have been very clear on this -- i have said to the president and members of his staff, and i will continue to say it -- there is no need to have a war with the media. i would love to see this stuff dial back on both sides, but good leadership requires that somebody go first. i would like you to be him. >> harris: democrat adam schiff didn't mince words on where he lays the blame. >> the president has a pivotal role, there. no one sets the tone more than the president of the united states. and the tone that he sets is one

of division, often one of hatred. sometimes, one of incitement to violence against journalists, and there is no escaping our collective responsibility. there was no escaping the tone that he sets for the country. >> harris: ari fleischer, you may know, has served as white house press e under president george w. bush. he told "the new york times" "it's misleading to compare trump's behavior to his predecessors, because he was elected to be different from his predecessors. trump often sounds bad, but he acts well." president obama always knew what to say but he didn't always do things well. he didn't do things right. he had soothing words and comforting, nonthreatening language that didn't improve our standing anywhere, including domestically." first, josh, i want to get your response to those words by re. >> josh: i have trouble with this. on one hand, i do prefer a uniting force in times like this. i do think we operate best when the country comes together in tragedy. on the other hand, i'm just

positively outraged. i think it's beneath contempt by some lawmakers and some in the media to suggest that president trump is to blame for these horrific events that have happened over the last week. i can't even imagine how partisan somebody would have to be to wrap yourself in this circumstance and have the first thing that comes to mind -- "how can i take a partisan advantage? how can we get president trump to be something to blame for what i'm seeing customer" there is lot of evil in this world. frankly, i did for difficult time figuring out how we confronted the first thing we see is red and blue rather than how to come together and fix the problem. >> harris: in reading this weekend, you did see those incendiary wrist dell micro marks by some. he also saw on the flip side the conversation being had about the president holding a political rally. saying that he would have canceled it. he didn't want to fold into -- i'm paraphrasing him on that -- to evil. then, making bad hair jokes. you see the criticism coming, and then what you are saying. where do you put that?

>> josh: i think his critics are going to find an area -- >> harris: do you think you should have held the rally after that? >> josh: i think one of the best things that george w. bush did in the aftermath is that he told everyone to live life like we are supposed to do, as americans. we won't let terrorism, anti-semitism in this case, or anything else, set us back. i think -- we are two weeks away from an election. the hallmark of this country is to be able to express profoundest agreements with each other without having to resort to violence. that's what separates us from everybody else. >> melissa: is also worth noting that blaming the other side isn't helping. if you stand there and you say "president trump started this and has to stop," or you point to who has been aggrieved -- we have done that a bunch. it hasn't improved anything. i was at church on sunday, and our minister was saying -- he was talking about this, and it struck me that we have had so many sundays like this. it seems like every sigel sunday there is something that we talk

about, isis, a school shooting, a hate crime, something like this. i thought to myself, what can i do personally? i'm going to an interfaith service tonight after work to stand with people of other faiths and say "we are here for you." i'm so tired of the blame. it just isn't helping. >> we had a great conversation before the show. a show before the show. i couldn't agree with you more -- intolerance, love, pelagius' tolerance, racial tolerance, all of that is taught at the dinner table. it's hot in your home. we all need to start there. i do want to go back to what ari fleischer said. i think that is very interesting. first of all, on fox news sunday, it was incredible -- chris wallace held up two headlines. one headline from steve scalise, and one headline with the pipe bombing. the headline for the pipe bombing said -- on "the washington post" -- was "term supporter blah blah blah."

the other one was "steve scalise revoking congressman shot." it didn't say anything about him being a bernie sanders volunteer. i don't think it's bernie sanders 'a small but this is why president is out on his twitter. that's why he holds political rally sprayed is not just fighting the democrats, he's fighting the media who have aligned themselves with the democrats to fight against them. to be clear, where two weeks out from. he's not just fighting for his policies to win so that he can move -- he's fighting for his life. they have already said, "we are going to impeach you. we want to --" >> harris: maybe not his life. his political life. and >> rachel: the media has to look at themselves. with a fitness curmudgeon coming forward saying yes, you should take the lead, where are the other people on the other side condemning the media and the democrats for targeting trump? i don't see it. >> harris: kennedy, let me ask you this question. saturday night, you mentioned that interfaith gathering that you are going to, melissa -- i

thought saturday night -- maybe the president could have done both. he has that more energy than 20 of us. maybe he does his rally, i don't know. it would have been nice to see him from the venue that we all look too. that's the oval office. at some point during the weekend, just to bring us all together. i don't know, is that to pollyanna-ish of me? >> kennedy: i think he does well when he has a message and sticks to it. he has been in office long enough to know when to use those rhetorical slings and arrows with precision, as opposed to some of the unforced errors that open him up for attack and distraction. right now, everybody's going to use, unfortunately, it's disgusting and as hurtful as it is, everybody's using everything they can for political advantage. sometimes you do have to set the tone. if you are waiting for your opponents to do the right thing, you may be waiting forever. there is crickets and loneliness on that prairie.

[laughs] >> harris: it's true. you can see the president may be in that fireside chat moment inside the oval office. that's maybe stretching too many metaphors there. just seeing him there, and saying "look, we are this political time. there are two sides." >> rachel: i love the idea, i think it's a great idea. a speed when he could do that need time. >> rachel: whatever president obama did, they love. they even love to the crease on his pants. whatever donald trump does -- >> harris: this is less about being loved and more about the right thing at that moment. >> rachel: i think he's if he does, if he's doesn't. i just don't know. >> harris: moving on, the migrant caravan, continuing the track across mexico now toward our borders. meanwhile, the trump administration is making moves to prevent it from crossing into the u.s. the politics around the issue are always heating up. we will debate it, next. >> do not come. he will not be allowed in. there is a right way to emigrate to the united states and this is not it.

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those entering illegally will be stopped. we are working with our partners in mexico. they have taken on unprecedented effort within their territory to ensure an orderly flow. those who have no legal right to be there are removed. we intend to do the same. my general message to this caravan is, do not come. you will not be allowed in. there is a right way to emigrate to the united states, and this is not it. >> kennedy: president trump are poorly considering executive action to prevent them from coming across the border. according to "the new york times," he's also considering a major speech tomorrow about a broad crackdown on the southern border. former president obama come on friday, whipping the white house on the issue. watch. >> it's a group of folks we don't even know where they are, their way down there. that's the biggest thing. and you know as soon as the election is over -- everybody is

going to be like "what happened? we were being invaded. where did they go?" >> kennedy: this morning, president trump tweeting "many gang members and some very bad people and makes it the caravan heading to our southern border. please go back. you will not be admitted into the united states unless you go through the legal process. this is an invasion of our country and our military is waiting for you!" josh, it appears that caravan is going to dissipate before it makes it to the seven u.s. border. in the meantime, with many miles to go, what can we expect from the u.n. in mexico? >> >> josh: i think the former president articulated his immigration positively here. that's part of the reason we find ourselves in the situation we are in. the idea that this is some kind of a fantasy is completely ridiculous. for the first time, perhaps maybe in american history, the idea of border security is not a bipartisan thing. i remember when i started working in the senate, we had like 70 or 75 votes for a border

wall. today you are here with a straight partisan speech by former president, essentially trying to get all of us to ignore the fact that there is a caravan of migrants headed for the border. do you want border security, or not? i think most americans have decided that we are in a situation we ought to protect our borders. we ought to have some sovereignty as a nation. got to figure it out sooner rather than later. it has given president trump a heck of a cudgel to use against his critics. >> it does resonate more for supporters of the president. hard-line immigration republicans. then it seems to with democrats. is it a winning issue? this week and on "fox & friends" i was hosting and we had chris jenkins, who was reporting from the caravan. he pulled aside a guy, asked him on live tv, and the guy admitted that he had been deported for murder. he was part of the caravan. the idea that there are no bad people make sin was just proven false as we can. i don't know how many of the people are in that caravan that have that kind of background,

but we can't assume that there are no bad people. i will say this -- when president obama did in that speech -- and he did in milwaukee, as well, when he was campaigning. he's not just accusing the administration and president trump of fearmongering, but he is mocking people who care about the border. who care about their national sovereignty. that kind of mockery, that clinging to your guns, clinging to your bible, this goes right in line with the deplorable's, and all the other insoles of people who care about this issue. this issue is important to americans. by the way, a lot of independents and some democrats. i think that has to stop. you're not a racist or a fearmongering or anything else because you care about border security. >> harris: i do want to make this all about the former president, but he has inserted himself so this is fair. statistically -- and correct me if i'm wrong, because i know you looked at these numbers, too, josh -- when you look at which

presidents have mostly deported legal for my country, he's like at the top of the list. very near the top. former president obama was obviously doing one thing, and he may be saying something different on the stage right now about how we view people coming into this country, but just to give you an idea, too -- then-candidate obama, then-senator i should say, obama, years ago -- you can look this up on youtube yourself, it's on c-span -- said the opposite of what he sang onstage about what we should be doing with people who are illegally entering the country, particularly in larger numbers. look for it and watch it. we have aired on overtime a couple of times. this is a political moment for this former president. i just wonder, for his own political base, how genuine he is he being questioned is just a question. >> melissa: when kirstjen nielsen said there's a right way to enter this country what is that? when you see the injuries of people saying "i'm a good person, i want to come and work." we have about jobs question work we aren't solving the problem

properly. >> there is a systemic break down. when she said that, there's actually not an easy solution or explanation for people who want to come here. good people want to come here and work hard. >> legal immigrants are often the ones -- >> the recent mail bomb scare and synagogue massacre shaking america. next, how they could affect major voters as the republicans or democrats band together in a call for unity. that's next. ♪

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democrat and republican campaign efforts for the house banding together to call for unity in the wake of recent violence. ohio led the g.o.p. efforts. and the democrats. watch. >> democrats and not my enemy. they are my opponents. while we have different visions for the future of america, different directions for america, we are all americans first. we need to come together and do what's in the best interest of america. >> no one should be politicizing what happened this week. we should come together as a country. this should not be a political response, but rather a response at how we can further bring us together. >> harris: josh? >> josh: i agree. what you do the fios is the unity of purpose, the unity and understanding of what makes maggie different and great. what makes us different than our enemies. and how we have had resolve over the years to try and get rid of the bigotry and hate we've seen

pop up all too often in recent weeks. what i'm not forced her to paper it over some of president trump's critics would like us to do, and pretend we don't have differences. and that our opinions cannot be articulated. that somehow, if we just stop criticizing what we see as bad policy, that we will all be together and think that we are heading in the right direction. that's not what this country is. that's not what makes us great. what makes us great is the ability to have these debates. full-throated, angry at times, passionate, but the end of the day we understand that we are all on the same team, here. >> harris: where are you running come exactly? [laughter] >> it's interesting that you say "i'm a fox news contributor it, but i'm also part of the legal family. we have this destruction discun house. it's all been positive. in the last weeks of the campaign, there's a lot of pressure from consultants. you know it it's like to go negative. what has been interesting has

been "don't go negative." we saw as they want to put you through. there are debates in our house waiting we like it or not. negative ads work. two people have the political courage enough to go positive, show what they are for instead of demonizing their opponent and treating them as enemies customer gets an interesting conversation. it's happening in every single congressional race right now. it's happening at my own house. >> harris: just so people know you have enough people to debate -- you and your husband have eight children. >> rachel: talk about who's outnumbered! [laughter] >> melissa: 's interest in what you say that. one of my school goes to school with children who work at cnn i always worry about what they hear at school. i say to my kids, and to my kids friends or they bring them over, i say "it's like the mets and the yankees, on arrival football

teams whatever it is. on the field. you may get very heated, you may talk smack against the other team. at the end of the day, we all walk on off the field of strength. because were on the together." i'm not always sure that's true. i try to live that example for my kids, but that's how i try to explain it. we can only lead by example. you can't change other people's behavior. >> harris: i love the fact that melissa said "max." i would have picks kennedy for the vernacular. [laughter] kennedy, we are talking kumbaya, to given us, being americans. designed to be round tragedy? >> kennedy: tragedies and even bring us to give. it used to be -- unfortunately, it was a unifying factor. we all remember how the country and in places like new york city, how people came together after 9/11. watching vigils and other parts of the world as they pray for us

and pray for our country to heal. it feels like we have really lost that. what i will say is being a member of a third party for a little while. then he will see what it feels like to lose every single election and still walk around with a smile on your face. [laughter] >> harris: my libertarian friend! >> kennedy: technically unaffiliated. >> harris: she's always independent! as we speed toward a two-party election -- sorry, kennedy. some pivotal races in the heartland were missouri senator claire mccaskill and wisconsin governor scott walker facing tough reelection bids. be sure to tune into and i prayed special report with bret baier, he is in milwaukee, people. he will talk to both of those candidates, 6:00 p.m. eastern, right here on the f and c, for the cool kids. hate speech happening online, networks facing scrutiny for threats made by this suspect and attempted mail bomber. where is the line between free speech and security customer arc

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♪ >> melissa: new followed after saturday's deadly synagogue attack in pittsburgh. the social media network gab, which robert bowers reportedly

used, appears to have been forced off-line. hours before the shooting, and account linked to bowers taking aim at the hebrew immigrant and society, jewish nonprofit group. a post reading "hias likes to bring invaders in that killer people. i can't sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. screw your optics, i'm going in." the founder says his site has a policy of removing threats, but that bowers' posting was vague. >> you see a direct threat in there? because i don't. would you expect us to do with a post like that? do you want us to just censor anybody who says the phrase "i'm going in?" is that we are proposing, here? i think that's absurd. here's the thing, he answered to bad speech or hate speech or whatever you want to define that is more speech. it always will be. >> melissa: in the meantime,

twitter is apologizing after the revelation that and account appearing to belong to made threats against political strategist rochelle ritchie. she was told the tweets did not violate twitter's rules against abusive behavior. twitter now posting a statement "we made a mistake. when rochelle ritchie first alerted us to the threat made against her, the tweet clearly violated our rules and should have been removed. we are deeply sorry for the air." they are also blessed to getting what happened and how to handle user concerns so that people can feel safe. let me sit with you on this one, because it is so hard to try and figure out, how do you ascertain from speech when physical danger is potentially about to happen? what do you do about that? >> kennedy: it's interesting, because they are trying to demonize this one more obscure

social media platform, gab, when it's clear that people who say hateful things and threaten on a daily basis are still acting out on places like facebook and twitter. this was a convenient groupthink, and they piled on gab and there you have the founder trying to -- and this is a very difficult environment in which to do it -- trying to defend free speech. he said something that's actually right. we need more speech. you need to have more of a conversation, and having these arbitrary shutdowns or rules or algorithms don't get to the heart of what's going on. that's the thing. we are talking about politicization, and we are talking about the ways people act out. they fall over the edge of mental illness or whatever it is. we are not asking the basic questions of how they got there in the first place. >> melissa: i heard somebody from the fda talking this morning about putting together algorithms where you compare when certain words and phrases are used together, leading to violence. you think -- is there a math

answer to this? >> josh: there may be a science answered that i don't know about. but i think there's basically three things. the first is identifying credible threats. i think that anything we can do to identify a credible threat is a good thing. i tend to agree with kennedy, in that i'm a bit of a first amendment purist when it comes to free speech. more free speech is always the answer to hateful speech, because we can drown out hateful speech, hopefully, by getting together and speaking truth to power. the third piece of this, we will learn the wrong lessons from the election. we started investigating social media companies use because presenter upon the election, we are all concerned about this. we should be concerned about is, what is the social media dynamic that is leading people to congregate in a way that produces hate? that allows people to foment this kind of anger? that is real. it's something that we need to take a look at as a society, not to say government, but as a society. >> i want to add onto that. there is a combination the

anonymity of social media and the switch that is flipped that allows people to act on violent impulses. it's a combination of the two, and i think, sadly, that may be impossible to predict with an algorithm. >> that's okay. i want to get -- somebody has a real threat online, i would like action to be taken. but i'm nervous about these algorithms come too. member, with these algorithms that have been shutting down pro-life speech, a lot of pro-life speech has been shut down on twitter and on facebook. there are very legitimate conservative -- when i see gabby getting attacked like that, and maybe they had a role to play, i don't know -- but i want more platforms. when we allow them to be centralized in just one or two -- that's when i think you're going to see -- let's face it, these tech ceos or liberals. we will see that there is lot of conservative speech and it's going to be censored. i think we need more platforms. >> josh: gab.

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