under 12. that's our story on this wednesday night. wish you a safe and happy halloween tonight. be back here tomorrow night at 7:00 p.m. until then, you can continue this halloween journey with our good friend tucker carlson coming up next in d.c. good night, everybody. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening, and welcome to tucker carlson tonight. if you have been watching the other channels lately there is one thing you learned about the caravan of central american migrants marching toward our southern border the whole thing is no big deal. these are nice people, every single one of them. much better people than you are. they have the deep moral authority that comes from living in a third world country unlike you, mr. pampered suburbanite. they are not invaders, future super americans. not nothing to worry about. that's been the chorus from politicians and news anchors who think they are politicians for weeks and weeks now. if you have any concern at

all about this caravan, you are a bad person. in fact, you, sir, are a racist. >> all of this for a group of people, a lot of whom are mothers and children who pose no imminent threat to the united states. >> call this invasion. it might be the most pathetic invasion of a country in world history if this were actually an invasion. of course, it's not. >> president sending troops to the border to deal with the caravan that hasn't proven to be violent. >> stop saying they are monsters there are more mothers than monsters. don't say it. why don't any of you say that? >> tucker: there is the line of the day. more mothers than monsters. turns out that's not quite right. more brothers than mothers, actually. according to the border patrol, the caravan is in fact about 70% single men. not families, women, and children. but overwhelmingly single men. according to mexico's own ambassador, many in the group are, quote. very violent. that's whaviolent.state npr.

heavy male and highly dangerous. when the american ambassador says that to public radio what you are looking at obviously with s. racism, more white wingy. dishonesty from the very people paid continue to form us. there is nothing to worry about they tell us like we are children. they don't really know that they don't really know anything. they are wholly ignorant and utterly self-confident. they are good at moralizing and light on facts. who exactly is in the caravan? a lot of them probably are what they appear to be, poor people from disorganized countries looking for a better life. it's understandable. but are some of them gang members, too? how about drug dealers or human traffickers? shut up, say the news anchors. don't ask those questions. but if you really cared about america, you would want answers to those questions. you would insist on knowing. would you let your kids sleep at a stranger's house? probably not. you love your kids.

our leaders ought to feel the same way about us. they don't. instead they see their own countrymen as the real threat. in the minds of the people making our country's rules, foreigners are always superior to americans. watch don lemon explain. >> so we have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them. there is no travel ban on them. there is no ban on, you know, they had the muslim ban. there is no white guy ban. so what do we do about that? >> tucker: we have to start doing something about them, don lemon says. keep in mind that he is talking about an entire racial group currently living in this country. what exactly does don lemon have in mind for, quote, deportation? internment camps? more affirmative action? it would be good to know. some of us would like to

tell our sons what's coming. we contacted cnn today to ask them what they quote plan to start doing to this racially group of racially defective americans, they never applied. maybe lemon will be more specific about his plans on tonight's show. without even hearing the details, it's pretty clear where the people on tv stand. they instinctively side with foreign nationals over american citizens is every time. if you are wondering why they are far more upset about migrant camps in mexico than homeless encampments in orange county. that's why. yesterday in the "new york times" a columnist told michelle goldberg noted if the elections in georgia if the bad old people don't agree with her agenda are displaced by a large group of new people who do. her piece is titled we can replace them. imagine writing something about that about your fellow americans. imagine running it in your newspaper? they didn't think twice because that's how they really feel. peter is a u.s. cill rights commissioner.

he joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: have you noticed the disdisparity and outrage the way our migrants camp aside the road in mexico and fellow americans permanently camped outside. hundreds of thousands of american homeless never mentioned in the media. why is that? >> i think you have expressed it a few times. we have talked about it. that is the left has an obsession with identity politics for a lot of reasons. one because of moralizing but more importantly for those who have to put where the rubber meet the road is for votes. and for political imperative. the statements that you just ran were, you know, they are incoherent. some of them are just frankly racist and they completely miss apprehend the concern of most normal americans with the caravan. most normal americans are

not concerned about the race ethnicity or the gender identity of those in the caravan. they are concerned they see 7,000 mostly military age males who are jobless claimed intent to violate our borders, break our laws and they are not going to be moving to the neighborhoods that these journalists and these media talking heads talk about. they are not 7,000 unemployed journalists, for example that are going to be going to don lemon's house and maybe competing with him for a job. they are coming to my neighborhood, inner city cleveland and they're going to be competing against low skilled workers. the data show predominantly black male, low skilled workers. they apparently don't have any concern for them. the military or the political imperative is such that they need and want to have more workers, more voters coming in from third world countries that they can indoctrinate and this obsession with identity politics make people say and do profoundly stupid things.

you saw it in the clips that you just ran. but they are completely divorced from the concerns of normal americans with respect to what these individuals who are going to be imminently crossing the border are going to do with respect to the rule of law, our sovereignty, the public health, crime rates and so on. >> tucker: so they are, as you just noted, the people you are watching on television and reading in the newspaper. they are arguing there is a racial divide and the villains are these, you know, industrial era, post industrial area middle class white people who are all bigots. but the voting pattern suggests something different. that it's not a racial question like people who make under a certain threshold, no matter what their colors, are sort of figuring out that they are all, regardless of their color, being replaced by people who work for less than them. do you think that at some point that will be obvious?

this isn't about race. it's about economics. >> i think it's becoming more and more obvious. i know my service on the civil rights commission over a number of years, i can see that there has been a shift in the understanding, low skilled workers get it, the elites very often like to engage in this type of moralized, makes them feel good about themselves. until they are threatened in terms of their job prospects or the quality of life in their neighborhoods, they can continue to engage in this political correctness. we see it as a labor lawyer myself. i see the deleterious effects of this. they are significant. they are often allied by our eleads, political elites, social elites better than the media. it's unfortunate i think a day of reckoning is coming. we are seeing it more and more that ordinary americans are getting it. and some of it actually has to do with the trump effect that trump speaks plainly about these things, sometimes he crosses or touches third rails.

he doesn't get hurt it engenders a conversation. a lot of people become apoplectic because of the conversation. certain -- emerge from that conversation. >> tucker: i think we should start importing millions of left wing talk show hosts. i really do. rooting for jorge ramos to displace one of these self-righteous cnn anchors and see how they like it. that's just a start. waves with people with whom they can compete for jobs. peter, thank you very much. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: great to see you. america votes six days from now. florida, georgia two states we are looking at carefully. radical, radical difference between the republican and the democrat in both those races and they are on the nice edge tonight. we have update on both. the president holding a rally in florida right now trying to keep that state under republican control. we are watching it for news if the will go there. we'll be right back.

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day begin with once i am elected. okay? so, let's go back to mr. gillum's platform. all right? >> um-huh. >> raise the corporate tax in florida from 7% to 11%. that will never happen. raise teacher's pay to $50,000. that will never happen. >> tucker: we can't verify the authenticity of the video we just showed you. but we have no reason to believe it's fake. in georgia stacey abrams received the support of oprah winfrey. she continued to defend her decision to burn the state flag at a protest years ago. >> 26 years ago as a college freshman, i, along with many other georgians, including the governor of georgia were, deeply disturbed by the racial divisiveness that was embedded in the state flag with that confederate symbol. >> tucker: have we agreed it's divisive not divisive? the debate continues.

indiana senate joe donnelly stumbled through a debate where he praised his staffers doing a good job apparently in spite of their ethnicity. >> our state director is indian american, but he does an amazing job. our director of all constituent services, she is african-american, but she does an even more incredible job than can you ever imagine. >> tucker: that's just horrible. independent women's voice voice lisa booth. i felt sorry i doubt he meant what he said. i hope he didn't mean. did anybody say anything about that? >> lisa: he said he used the wrong conjunction. he meant to use and. i will give him the benefit of the doubt. what frustrates me mike braun the republican candidate. nobody from the left or anybody in the media would be giving him the benefit of the doubt. instead they would be charging racism and massive deal which, of course, it is

not going to be with joe donnelly. >> tucker: i still want to live in a country even if we're doing it unilaterally where we give people the benefit of the doubt. >> i do, too. >> tucker: you are absolutely right, it would not work the other way. so they end this video the gillum staff that james o'keefe just came out with, has the gillum campaign commented on this? >> i have not seen if they commented on it. it wouldn't be surprising for andrew gillum and the people surrounding him to once again be lie fog florida voters. a guy deflected repeatedly when asked about the fbi investigation into a city. undercover agents as of 2015, they got access to city officials and andrew gillum was one of them and those undercover agents did things like purchase hamilton ticket to take him to a hamilton play. took him on a boat tour around new york city. and then we recently come to find out that one of them also paid for a political fundraiser in connection with to his upcoming gubernatorial bid.

so that is new information. and so andrew gillum keeps saying he is not the target, which we don't know if he is. we don't know if he isn't. he has lied about things like the hamilton ticket. and there is also or who paid for the hamilton ticket. there is also the second probe into andrew gillum as well through the state, the florida commission on ethics looking at the trips he has taken in 2016 and we have new information on that. it turns out that despite one of the spokes people telling us a year ago that that was official business, it turns out that he actually took a campaign trip to tampa and paid for it through one of his mayoral accounts. so i have to imagine that that is also one of the things that the florida commission on ethics is going to be looking into. >> so, gillum has dismissed all these questions as racist, which is not actually an answer for the record. do we know what undercover fbi agents were doing in his presence? what was that about? do we have any sense? >> i think well, the big thing that they're looking at is corruption into the city of tallahassee pertaining to developers and

deals with some of these city officials. gillum has approved one of those deals that are under fire which was adam corey, one of his formerly close friends, a lobbyist, his former campaign treasurer, so that guy we know is at the center and been named in subpoenas. andrew gillum keeps trying to deflect. my question to him would be if there is nothing nefarious going on and the fbi doesn't care but, why did they go through the trouble of using undercover agents to grant access to you. if you look at some of the things foreign fbi agents have said publicly in the news, they said something like that, to get access to a guy like gillum who is the mayor they likely had to go to the doj to get approval. >> tucker: at least it's a fair question and attacking other people as bigots is not a satisfactory answer. >> maybe this will answer the question. >> tucker: great to see you. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: big tech attacking free speech. this time they are labeling this very show quote dangerous content. we will tell you what happened after the break. plus we are monitoring the president's rally in florida. right now he is addressing

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>> tucker: just about every day we get a new reminder that big tech, not big government, is now the top threat to free expression in america and around the world. that's a big change. taken a lot of people time to metabolize it but it's real. an example a couple weeks ago we appeared on prager u to read an excerpt from our book ship of fools. prager wanted to advertise on youtube but they were blocked by google ads. the reason google said our video is dangerous or derogatory. some of it refers to poor farmers and laborers as peasants. well that's a perfectly factual statement common around the world it doesn't matter though. shackles the government from suppressing views it doesn't like at least for now no laws currently protect the public from tech none monopolies that control the flow of all human information. after prager u appealed.

embarrassed happened many times. said the ad was mistakenly disapproved. of course, the damage had already been done. we are six days out from an election and google interfered with letting the public hear a political message. we know about this instance, how many others don't we know about. it's election tampering and far more severe than the russians ever attempted. speaking of which since google is publicly traded it's owned in part by foreign governments. for some reason democrats don't seem eager to launch an investigation into any of this why because they are in that company's pocket. the left has made it clear if free speech is impediment to their agenda free speech will have to go. as this show has revealed there are plenty of people at google who are eager to use their power to push a political agenda and to change this country non-democratically. just after filming that suppressed prager u video we sat down with dennis prager and adam carolla about free speech. it was a long interview. here is part one from it. so the obvious question adam

is where are we? we are surrounded by vehicles in what looks like a garage. >> well, this is prager's garage. you know. i mean, look, i don't want perpetuate a myth here but the jews love driving race cars. they love busting their knuckles. i mean, look at the man. this is my warehouse. these are my race cars and dennis cannot only not fix them he can't fit in them either. >> tucker: have you tried? >> well, i'm 6'4", it would be very difficult. >> it would be difficult. >> right. we support the profession. >> >> tucker: yes, i do too as a nonparticipant: so separate since both of have you been speaking your opinions in public for a very long time. separate from reality. do you think we are less free to speak now than we were 20 years ago, adam? >> you can say whatever you want like you could say whatever you want 20 years ago but you won't have a job

on monday. and that's a big issue. so, removing someone's livelihood because they have an opinion is really sort of the ultimate punishment, like you are just not going to be able to work anymore. you will be non-employable, especially in this town, los angeles, so, yes, people fear for their jobs. they fear for their careers and sort of fear for their families and, thus, they don't say what they would say. so can they do it? yes, they can do it. might they lose their job? yes, they might lose their job, thus, they don't do it. >> tucker: if i say you can do whatever you want if you step outside the lines i will crush it, do we have freedom of speech? >> like the oldest dent joke in the soviet union, what's the difference between the us and ussr? and the ussr you have freedom of speech. in america you have freedom after speech. now, that's changed.

>> that's a smirnoff joke by the way. >> he probably got it from soviet dissidents. he was exsoviet. >> in your country you are free to say things evil about regan, our country it's the same we can say evil things about reagan. >> no. exactly, that's the same idea. i'm speaking at colorado state university in 10 days, two weeks, whatever it is. and there is article after article distorting what i have said to warn people about this bigot and fascist and white supremacist and everything that is coming to colorado state. they prepared the students i will give you an example. i wrote a two-part column about 10 years ago because i do a lot of work on male, female issues on my radio show every week for years i have talked about men and women. i have on the paves of talking to so many couples simply offered the advice to

a woman if you love your husband and he is a good man, then don't let mood alone determine whether or not you will have sex with him because it's an important thing to him, so give it a try, okay? >> i don't want to jump in, but is my wife still here? [laughter] anete was here earlier, right? >> she was. >> anete, there is some wisdom being -- >> oh my god. >> dennis, she is not here? >> all right. so it is truly helpful. so, here's the terrible part. in huffington post, just two weeks ago, a guy cited this from 10 years ago, prager advocates marital rape and that's what they wrote in the colorado state university. the guy beware, a guy who believes in marital rape is coming to campus. >> tucker: that's disgusting. >> that is disgusting. >> tucker: y'all just made a film about the state of free expression in america. just to jump ahead, how do

the rest of us respond, typically people who don't have tv shows or 30 year track record of expressing opinion. normal guy with your own views because you are an american, how do you live in an age where everybody is terrified to be honest? >> i think there is only one way to do it. i think if you retreat, they encroach. and i use an example, dennis has heard it before. it's sort of the nra versus the no smoking lobby. and i will quickly do the met for here which is 40 years ago they said we don't want smoking in restaurants. and they said could you guys who are smoking in the main dining area just move to a smoking section and everyone picked up their stake and ashtrays and moved over there and then they came to those people and said we don't want you with the diners, could you move to the bar? and they all picked up their food and as ashtrays and moved to the bar and smoked. and then at a certain point they said could you stand

out front and just smoke outside and they said well, it's cold, but we will do it and they stood out front and they went outside and smoked and then they said you are too close to the front door could you move it down the street and went to a park and they said no smoking at the park. the point is they won't stop moving forward. there is an agenda. the agenda is not get rid of the smoke in the restaurant, it's stomp you out. >> at a certain point you cannot let the left intimidate you. and when you don't they go crazy because they are so used to being able to intimidate that's his point and i second it. >> also, once you sort of put it out there like you are a country who doesn't negotiate with terrorists when they take hostages, they take less hostages. once you put it out there i'm a comedian, i have a podcast i say what i want and i won't apologize, they leave you alone because ultimately what they want is

an apology and want you back pedaling. if you stand up like any bully it's not satisfactorying. i say outrageous things all day long on my podcast. how does that work? i don't apologize so i'm not on their list of people who need. steve: you are not disclosed wildisclosethe slowest will givo they don't bother you. >> i like slowest will give. gisele. >> six days until the midterm elections new report suggests that robert mueller may be trying to secretly subpoena the president. is this moving toward an indictment of the president? is that even possible? some say it is. alan dershowitz helped us make sense of all of it, after the break. ♪ ♪ if you have psoriasis,

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>> tucker: just a few months ago it seemed certain that robert mullen and the russia investigation would dominate the midterms this year. it hasn't. but the special counsel has apparently been busy at work, of course. the new piece in politico analyzed the court filings and concluded that mueller may have tried to secretly subpoena the president. today though the president has he had he has not received a subpoena but raises lots of questions such as can you subpoena a sitting president? can you indict a sitting president? is mueller going to? some of these questions don't have clear answers. one man with an idea though is alan dershowitz who has spent generations teaching harvard law school and he is the author of "the case against impeaching trump." he joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. >> thank you. >> tucker: can mueller impeach a sitting president? >> yes, that's clear. the president can comply with the subpoena if he chooses to. can challenge the entire subpoena, or can challenge

portions of the subpoena based on executive privilege or the unwillingness of a president to answer questions about the exercise of his constitutional authority. so, if the president were subpoenaed, it would guarantee a legal challenge that would probably take several years. >> tucker: several years? >> yeah. >> tucker: informed people in washington believe. and i don't know if they're right or not, but they believe that robert mueller has concluded that he can constitutionally indict a sitting president. does that sound plausible that he has concluded that and is it right? can he? >> i think it does not sound plausible. he is a cautious guy. and there are three reasons why he should not try to indict the president for obstruction of justice, which is what they are talking about. >> tucker: right. >> number one, the justice department itself has a rule that says you cannot indict a sitting president. and the text of the constitution certainly looks that way when it talks about

that can you indict and prosecute a president after he leaves office, after he is impeached and removed. second of all, you can't inkitindict a president for obstructions of justice if the president merely exercises his constitutional authorities under article 2 by firing somebody or by pardoning somebody, the george w. bush case establishes that. george w. bush pardoned five people on the evi eve of their trial including the former secretary of defense and he did it for the purpose of ending the investigation according to the special prosecutor, but the special prosecutor never considered indicting him or going after him. third, president trump simply didn't obstruct justice. you can't obstruct justice by doing things in public, making statements in public and firing people in public. that's not obstruction of justice. obstruction of justice occurs in secret and behind closed doors. >> tucker: in terms of the president exercising authority over executive

branch employee. doesn't matter what his motive is he has the right to hire or fire people. >> we know what george bush's motives were. they weren't good motives. you can't question the motives of a president. the president has had mixed-motives. they want to go down in history. they want to have back fees for their speeches. you know, they want to teach at universities. they want to help their party. the idea that a special prosecutor can begin to psycho analyze a president and goes why the constitutionally act would take us down a very dangerous path. >> tucker: you really are the voice of reason. not a trump voter. >> not a trump voter. and not a trump supporter when it comes to his idea about immigration policy and you know, persons born in the united states and subject to its jurisdiction, he is a citizen and the president can't do anything about that. >> tucker: professor, thanks for joining us tonight.

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>> tucker: the migrant caravan is continuing to march north at this hour if they arrive they will be greeted by activists. chief not to help any american. impulse so powerful it has even made planned parenthood in favor of childbirth. the nation's biggest abortion provider tweeted opposition to the president's proposed executive order changing

birthright citizenship. they called it despicable and agree aegregious unlike anything they do 300,000 times a year. caravan making their way here. anchor at univision joins us tonight. enrique, thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me, tucker. >> tucker: i have been hearing from all the good people that the caravan has nothing to worry about at all. these are all decent people. they are families looking for better life. probably most of them are. but know learn from the u.s. border patrol 70% single men. now we learn from the mexican ambassador to the united states in this group has been very violent and assaulted mexican authorities on the guatemalan border. shouldn't i be a little more concerned about them coming here? >> we have to realize this is a humanitarian crisis and other countries involved should act accordingly. if i say this is not a

security threat, you are going to find an argument to call that a lie so why don't we find out? why don't we with your show and my show on univision travel to mexico, spend some time reporting, trying to figure out who is part of this caravan, thugs, criminals and middle easterners like the president said report that and owe that to our audiences. if they are not a security threat we owe our audience the truth. >> tucker: both of our companies are doing that. you have reporters down there and fox news does. it's not up to the media who decides who comes to our country. it's up to our voters who elect representatives who made a lot of laws about this which you are now saying we need to ignore. people in charge u.s. citizens, american voters, they are being ignored. they have a system of legal immigration, which this caravan is giving the finger to. so why do i have any responsibility to learn anything about the caravan. if they want to come here they can go apply for

citizenship or apply for a visa to come here. a green card. what am i missing? >> i think you are missing a key element of why they say they want to do. they want to arrive at the border and claim asylum legally. they respect our legal process and honoring that process by stating they want to come to the border port of entry and then apply for asylum legally. that's what they are trying to do. >> tucker: but i'm confused. >> want to come in legally. it wouldn't make any sense to be on a caravan with thousands of people to try to sneak in anywhere. >> tucker: they are passing u.s. consulates along the way. they have already been offered asylum by the country of mexico and they said no. >> many of them are taking it and staying in mexico. >> tucker: nice of what? there is no war in honduras going on. it's a poor country. it's always been a poor country. it's not america's fault and not donald trump's fault. >> true. >> tucker: why does it make me obligated to pay for this

caravan? i'm confused. >> we can spend a little money there and make a difference on our border or spend billions of dollars to make no difference in places where people are coming from. we have been trying to seal the border. donald trump is doubling down on some of the failed policies in the past instead of looking for a new approach. >> tucker: how about this one though? how about and this is just something that came to me. how about building a very high impenetrable wall across the border. that's never been tried. i think trump. >> we already have a 700-mile wall and 2,000-mile border. it's not helping. i don't know how building a wall will solve the issues. >> tucker: but hold on. >> i don't know how that's going to make a difference. >> tucker: maybe you are right. >> you can do it and spend $25 billion of taxpayer money in doing it. what happens if it doesn't work. >> tucker: okay then move on to something else. american voters just voted for that in the last election and all the

moralizing chin tuggers say you are a racist for wanting that at least you determined americans have a right to determine what kind of border barrier. >> every country has that right. >> tucker: a lot of them work. >> woe have been doing that for the last half a century. trying to militarize. 700-mile wall. high tech surveillance equipment. all source of things at the border and it's not working, tucker. we should be focusing on the root causes of immigration. >> tucker: hold on, you are not against illegal immigration. 22 million illegals in our country right now. i think they should all be deported tomorrow and come back if they want to come back because it make a mockery of our laws. you disagree with that. that's okay. i'm not mad at you. don't tell me how you support border security because by definition you don't. >> it's not that i don't support border security. it's that that's not going to solve the issue in its essence. >> tucker: deporting 22 million people might get close to solving the issue. >> the ones that show up at the door. that's not going to work

out. we have the last half a century to prove it. let's try a different approach. try solving some of the issues making people leave their homes and families behind. >> tucker: just a little money there to fix honduras. >> u.s. aid. >> tucker: fix honduras. >> most violent communities. plenty of reports that prove that. >> tucker: let's fix rock first and afghanistan and fix honduras. add it to the list. enrique, great to see yous always. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: google knows everything about you likely more than your spouse does. for eight years they refused to photographs of isolated military base in the western u.s. why is that? we're interested in that question and we will get a little closer to the answer after the break. ♪ ♪ pen to sign up for new insurance instead? for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise their rates because of their first accident.

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>> tucker: for years now google has been photographing and buying photographs of the earth's service from space and uploading them online google earth program. photos of the united states are updated frequently with one major exception. for at least 8 years impanelings of the test range in nevada have gone without an update. it's almost as if google is helping the government hide something. if they were hiding something, what might it be? nic pope is a journalist spent many years investigating ufo sightings for the british government. nic, thanks very much for coming on. did i state those facts correctly there is out of the entire continental united states one area that is not updated regularly on google earth and this test facility maintained by the u.s. government. is that correct? >> that is correct, yes. it is very close to the infamous area 51, which is, of course, where ufo enthuse

enthusiasts say whatever it was that crashed as roswell in 1947 was taken. the test range is about 70 miles away from area 51. and, again, it is one of the most secret places on the face of the planet. ufo enthusiasts and the conspiracy community say that's where the aliens are and u. if os we are trying to develop test flown. aviation enthusiasts say it's the next site of generation of prototype aircraft, drones and perhaps hypersonic weapons are tested. there was a blind spot for years. >> tucker: is there any evidence that the first camp is right or on to something? is there any evidence that the u.s. government does have knowledge of ufos that hasn't been shared with the public? >> well, this all ties back to these recent revelations about the pentagon's ufo program.

and this whole -- the rumors about area 451 and crashed ufos and trying to put some of this together and fly it ourselves, those rumors had gone away but then we had the story about the pentagon's program. we saw, of course, those videos of the navy jets chasing the ufos, and we now have some of the people involved in that program speaking out and saying, yes, there were these unknowns in our airspace. it's not just aircraft lights and weather balloons. >> tucker: interesting. is there any indication of what it is then if it's not just ai aircraft's and weather balloons. >> we don't know. the whole trouble with this and this really links these two stories of the test range and the pentagon program. there have been this blurring of the lines, even the phraseology, the pentagon's project was called advanced aerospace threat identification program. so as i say have you got

this blurring of the lines between what is just our cutting edge technology and what really might be, if some of these rumors are true, from somewhere else. >> tucker: what's so confusing and, of course, i think that dod, pentagon has every right and, in fact, an obligation to keep projects its working on secret. it's not clear why so much material, so many documents from 50 years ago, 40 years ago, 20 years ago would remain classified to this day. what could be the explanation for that? >> well, first of all, i absolutely agree with you on secrecy. i mean, i'm not calling for this to be opened up, even though a couple of more recent photos have now been put on google earth. but, everything you put out there, of course, the russians can see it, the chinese can see it. everyone can see it we need to be mindful of that. i don't know what is out there. and i think the good news is that finally we are getting some u.s. congress interest in this. the senate armed services

committee are now looking into those navy videos that we have seen and discussed and the house services committee are looking at the pentagon's program to say what did we get for our taxpayers' dollars here? >> tucker: last question. do you think the president and maybe some committee chairman would have knowledge of this? they have a right to know. do you know do you think they do know the answers? again rumors are this is what the space force is all, about i'm not so sure about all of that i think the president would have it know in his capacity, of course, as commander-in-chief. so i hope that there are some interesting secrets. whether or not they come out o'er the next few months if we get formal congressional hearings on this as opposed to just congressional interest, we will wait and see. >> tucker: they are definitely out there. the question is will we find out. nic pope, i know you will find out first and i hope you will tell us on this show. thank you. >> thanks.

>> tucker: back tomorrow night with more truth, the show that's the sworn enemy of lying pomposity, smugness and group think. happy halloween, sean hannity right now. >> sean: a great question to the president after midterm elections what about area 51. >> tucker: do that, please. >> sean: i will do that for everybody's sake. welcome to hannity. buckle up. we have a busy hour. we are barreling now towards the finish line, six days, you have the power you decide the state of your government. are you going to allow nancy pelosi california, chuck schumer, new york to control your taxes and your border security, immigration policies, the future of your supreme court? or do you want your life to continue to get better? are you better off than you were two years ago? that's what's at stake. and coming up, we will show you how nancy pelosi has already -- she is declaring victory des