mark: well america this is life, liberty and levin, i am mark levin we have two great guests, you don't need much of an introduction. >> i don't know about that. mark: in 2 thousan in 20006 maye in ohio, have you won since, 100% lifetime rating from ohio tax payers association, one of the founders of house freedom

caucus. chip roy, i know you very well. is you were chief of staff to ted cruz for a period of time. now a newly elected member of congress. 4 from 21 district of texas. we had an important election. people are messaging about the election. the economy. immigration. i understood senate side, brett kavanaugh, among other important -- here is the problem. i still don't know what the house of representatives on republican side was running on. i would have thought with economy with the way it is going. it was not a blue wave.

why did they take so many seats? >> well, you are right, i don't think we matched on house side in our race. that the president has displayed. here in the town taking on the establishment. and the swamp, the town, everywhere that president went he made a huge di difference. he came to ohio on monday before. projections were we might lose all state wide races, we won them all but one, because president came to ohio. there is an energy about this guy that american people appreciate. they saw that marched in senate what senate stood up and defended kavanaugh, but not from the house. have we replaced be o obamacared secured border. mark: leadership would say, we

sent that to senate. >> some went, only healthcare bill, we didn't do the reform package yet, we had a good bill we supported. chip was campaigning on. but we got 193 votes, we could not get enough republicans to do what we said we were going to do. the message should have been, we accomplished what we told you we were going to do, but we could not say that, all we had gotten done was the tax cut. going forward we have to regain the trust of american people, and get accomplished, if you put us in power we'll get it done. mark: chiroy. mark: chip row what did you campaign on. >> securing border, healthcare freedom and balancing the budget, these are things that republicans said they would do for a long time but failed. in you want to know what happened look no further than

fact that republicans failed to do what they said they would do over last several years. i think this is a clear symptom of leadership failing to do their job, to paint with bright colors, we have the opportunity of a lifetime to gain in a midterm, the american people were hungry, my district, they are hungry for leadership, they are happy to see president shaking things up in washington, breaking status quo, getting rid of 15 regulation for every one new regulation. and getting us out of paris agreement, making sure we have good judges. but had not been for democrat overreach in kavanaugh hearing, reenergizing our base, your base was demoralized in sitting back because house leadership and house republicans were not giving them a reason to support them, i don't know what message was from house republicans on what they were selling. i know who i soil, it worked, people listened.

>> this is a good point, i can't tell you today what position of in aggregate, republicans, was in the house. and i can't tell you what position is today. going forward for the republicans in the house. is this why you helped found freedom caucus? to bring to floor the conservative positions and principles. >> totally, our mission statement talked about countless number of family who feel this town has foret en them, our job to remember and fight for them with a smile. we are conservatives we have truth on our side, i love vice president pence said, i am a conservative, i'm not mad about it. that should be our approach. that is what your voters want, a -- passion for things that make our country special in first place, they see it in the president, think about this in 21 months under his leadership

-- taxes cut, lowest unemployment in 50 years, gorsuch and brett kavanaugh on the supreme court. and out of the ir iran deal anda new nafta agreement, what was house and congress contribution to that? senate helps to supreme court justice, and on tax cut. but the other big things, biggest promises we made in 2016, we have not got those done, we have to the same energy and passion about getting those done. >> chip roy, let me ask you this, securing the border. controlling spending. repealing government control over healthcare. do you get a sense that republican party in house of representatives will push that agenda even in face of radicals who are taking over the various committees, is it an obligations

of republican party to press their case over and over. i get a sense that everyone is out for themselves, a bunch of square els not herded -- squirrels that are not being herded. >> i said something, i am not running for congress to run to get reelection, too often the case, too many in washington both sides aisle, they get here, they start thinking about moving leavers to get reelected. that is not why you are here, you are here greatness in country is held back by government that is too much in the way of their ability to manage their own lives, at state level in homes and families, we'll make a terrible mistake as republicans, if we allow the democrats 11 -- lerch to left, instead of republicans pains with a bright picture about what

america looks like what we allow people to live free, free from burd everyones oburdens of govee that. and whether healthcare freedom or secure border, basic funked n of a sovereign nation, to secure your border, make sure you have a balance budget, in what world is that a partisan issue? that is extraordinary. mark: two things. republican leadership. democrat leadership. they seem to be focused, myopically, it may not be easy, maybe they will have a madg majy of 17, new members out of republican districts, they will have to be a little nervous, they may be one termers, but typically they go left in washington go home and lie about who they are.

so, these two sort of forces, if the republicans in house don't get their act together they will be crushed by democrat on senate side. >> you are so right, chip said, if we're not clear, compelling and ca car tick let in -- articulate on issues that count, we're about to enter a world with nancy pelosi, maxine waters, running that world on key committees. if we not willing to stand up and fight, we'll be in trouble. i think it important to step back, think of the environment we're going into. and what -- we saw it yesterday, this week, the last week with jeff sessions stepping down attorney general and all comments from left. >> constitutional crisis. >> oh, my goodness, this is the world we're abou about to enter.

>> i am concerned about that a lot of this depends on ranking republicans on the various committees, if they are not prepared to take out the brass knuckles it will be an ugly fight with them on top us on bottom. >> every week, every day in congress. that -- it is going to be that intense you are right. mark: you watch some hearings that republicans had, house oversight committee for example. and judiciary committee, i'm. >> i'm on both. >> are both. >> democrats disrupted them as if they were members of cnn or something in a press conference, disrupting the committee hearing, republican message and effort could not get out, i doubt that republicans are capable of that. >> we should not disrupt for discorruption sake like they do, we should have a debate, we have the truth on our side, let's have debate, all too often in

congress we show up, my background wrestling, you show up, on matt mat, you go after iu shake hands after. we get in there, we get there the referee whistles we say time out. in that world we're going into, you had better show up with the attitude we're taking the fight to the mat. >> let's call them out for having prejudged this, they are campaigning on impeachment. you will -- would you pick a grand jury and allow them to be filled with people that already prejudged case, we know that is what they have done, let's call them out for, that get remarks of saying sta they have already decided to impeach the

president, then call house out for failing to to their job. that is what we need to focus on republicans or democrats, they have a job, pla balance the bud. we should not leave town until we balance that budget, that is about what people have to do at home, the state of texas. mark: let me ask you a question. i have been thinking about coming investigations, they are geared up. they are excited on lift, as leftists are trying to destroy the other side, thigh go after r president's taxes, businesses, his kids businesses, this private activity. the constitution provides for congressa congressional oversigt for legislative purposes, there no legislative purpose for getting the president's taxes or

his, deals or anything in this massive fishing expedition. if i am president of united states, i say, i'll see you in court, all you are trying to do is destroy the ability of the executive branch to function, you are prepared to make that arg. >> heck, yes, think about in contact we're in, that i want to do that but when we want to get to bottom of something. the government that was i believe unconstitutional, where they took one party's research document, dressed it up. they want to stonewall that. we better keep raising this issue, ha i that is wrong, they are not going to focus on that,

but they will do what you just gibe -- deexpriebed. mark: i want to pursue this issue. that they have power to go into purpose to sabotage the executive branch. most week nights you can watch me on levin tv. or give us a call, we'll be right back. doug, doug!

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mark: welcome back, chip roy, newly mint the soon to be member of congress. i believe in congressional oversight, strongly. fbi, department of justice, intelligence agencies, our tax money goes into these places, they are authorized by congress, and funded by congress, nothing tto do with a tax return or private enterprise worth billions of dollars where

members of congress say i'm going to pretend i am an irs agent, and i am going to dig into this stuff and spew it out on cnn. i am going to drag them down. trump administration said we're more than happy to work with you on matters of official conduct, involving the administration, however, i have a blanket rule, anything involving my family, me, our personal finances, you don't getting any. what about that argument? >> i think you are right, i think about you talk about separation of power and our job in congress to oversee the executive branch, this is meant for, constitutional purposes, about the power of the executive branch used in its official duty, and what it is trying to do, whether they are following law, the job of congress is not

to go down fishing expedition for personal assault. or the family of the president, it is about protecting the constitution, you want to make article 1 great again, article 1 congress, congress needs to reassert its in governance, in passing laws, not turning over power to bureaucracy and executive branch, they need it to their job in representing the people. >> in the end it is about freedom, a big difference for irs targeting people for political beliefs. there is a difference between fbi dig what they did and them holding them accountable. and going after people's personal finances, that is about freedom, i would argue today, i think freedom is under attack. you see it from all -- we had a hearing, mark, we have college

professors, i asked one, i said, professor, in a safe space in a college campus, can i say this, donald trump is president, his respond began with, congressman it depends. i int ripped -- interrupted him, i said it is a fact, he wassic elected. he is the president. there is no question about it. that is where the left crazy thinking comes in. but whether congress is going to use their power to go after the president just because they want to dig into his, finances, give me a break. mark: they will camouflage it, very party that rejects so much in the constitution and original

interpretining a, they will say this is why we need to determine if president of united states finances are appropriate or russian collusion. that is no basis for oversight, what they are trying to do is lake a fake foundation for an impeachment. the oversight function is a legislative function, they are trying to figure out you all or appropriations. you don't get to look over president's shoulder and his finances. let me ask you this, so somebody is wealthy, they get elected president of united states will that be the new pattern, if democrats can drag a reality wey republican president through the dirt. now republicans, let's say

bloomberg gets elected, you are 4 times as wealthy, we want to know about your. business. >> there is no question when they open pandora's box, that is where it goes, where does it stop, with respect to people working the administration and congress. this is taking all eyes off of the prize of what american people want to see. you are talking about freedom under assault. it under assault, republicans have just laid down on the ground, they won't stand up for freedom. the misuse of the government power to go after the president and his family. whether it is failing to articulate cause of freedom and stand up on issues we believe in, the left will take advantage of that. that is why we saw so many democrat run as openly

socialist. mark: most of them lost. >> right, they also got millions of votes in part because some of pour our people did not stand up and trump at freedom issues. mark: it is a reason that which conservative base love donald trump. >> yes. mark: during the brett kavanaugh hearings all of a sudden lindsey graham, he gave that spartacus type speech. >> it sure enough, they want to see you fight for what counts, that is what they want, they want to see it in particular in light of context, think about today's left, we're applauding capper i -- kaepernick when he disrespected flag, and cheer on maxine waters when she says go out, harass anyone, anyone that supports the president, that is today's left. and we have people who want

someone to stand up and fight that, they see president doing, that they need to see more from congress. >> that is why left is emboldened it output medicare for on, they say i believe health care for all, allowing people to access the doctor of their choice, and someone to come to our house, pay flrg $10a month, and have cell phone. and these are all things we can do if we'll stand up and fight for them to lower cost of healthcare, we go down that path for a while, but we turned over field to democrats, by saying we're play on their feel on preexisting conditions. >> is this -- one thing that reagan did in jack kemp, they said, enterprise zone a tax cuts across the board, freedom. positive. as spirin-- as piering aal.

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received the award in 2006. i'm anita vogel. levin. mark: i am back with chip roy, and jim jordan. jim, president of united states through his chief of staff tells attorney general he wants his resignation he is a decent man, there may have been a mismatch in terms of department of justice. and so, they appoint his chief of staff of former u.s. attorney to be acting attorney general. we have so-called tv experts saying that is not right, that is wrong. then we get the gaggle of leftists saying, it is a constitutional crisis unless acting attorney general recuses himself from investigation, he had nothing to to with anything. why should he recuse himself?

>> he shouldn't. mark: meanwhile rod rosenstein is there with all kinds of conflicts. >> you are right, he should not recuse himself, and rod rosenstein has had a conflict from the beginning. he wrote the memo saying it is an be on vehicl obstruction of e have pointed this out. mark: he is a witness. >> of course, we pointed it out sunday one but mr. rosenstein, says no, it is time. we have asked for mccabe memos, sorry you are not going to see them, they have been subpoenaed, you are not going to see it, we ask to see -- >> 302s are fbi interview notes. >> yes, bruce ohr whose wife worked for company.

mark: you know it is coming to an end. >> we have a lot of work to do between now and first of year. mark: my question is. why would an acting attorney general have to recuse himself. because democrats demand? >> the democrats same people, warren saying this is a constitutional crisis, in june 2017 it was a crisis because jeff sessions, of attorney general. he can't get their stories straight. they are looking for a crisis where there i there isn't one, d ignore it where there are problems. partly why the american people arey is frustrated with this continued pursuit of coming down rabbit trail, instead of focusing on issues they care bnone of this is ma making

anybody's life better, this is d.c. being a swamp at its worth. >> one thing about rod rosenstein alleged he said he would wear a wire and record commander and chief, alleged he was talking about 25 amendment, in that critical time frame march 9, his memo of basis for fires james comey and names bob mueller. he won't answer our questions,. mark: they talk about saturday night massacre. i much younger viewers to know, saturday night massacre, you know, at least they have compared president to hitler but now nixon. but, saturday night massacre, nixon ordered his attorney general to fire -- he order deputy attorney january rally he

resigned. then he did. that is why they kept him off supreme court, has president of united states ordered anyone to fire mr. mueller? >> he say the just the opposite, let him complete it. there is nothing there, guess what, there is nothing there, not one bit of evidence to show any type of coordination are collusion or coni con-- cop of r asy but we know clinton campaign did what, talked to russians to put together a fake dassier dos, that is the bases for the fbi going to a secret court, to get a warrant so they could spy on the other campaign, and the democrat say nothing there. what are you kidding me? mark: chip roy, what about media role?

media, they can't disguise it, they have sided one little bit at party again the other. -- political party against the other, they are excited about what democrats are going to do. after election it was clear they were taking the house. jake tapper talking about subpoenas that are going to fly, and maybe, they have media on their side, we saw a press conference the other day, cnn representative jim acosta, literally, was trying to disrupt and sabotage the press conference, purpose of a president's press conference is for we the people to find out what is going on, not for people who become pr provocative and me news. you, republicans you are not going to have press most of the press on your side. but has that not always been the case. >> no question there is bias in media, i grew up as a child in reaganer a erikaer -- era, and r

watching press briefings, there is a certain edge to today's media that is worse, what we -- acoscosta is all about him set . the white house for him is a prop it all about himself, he makes opinion news, he du does t need to be in white house to report what he does, they are using this for a show, instead of honoring their responsible of a free press to seek truth. >> mark: that was a disgrace. they disgraced themselves in front of the world. and it is not their job to disrupt a press conference, they can ask tough questions, but, also push away, she did push away white house intern and so quite disgrea disgraceful, we'le

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mark: jim jordan, immigration is a big issue. but not to majority in the house. but still to the madge fee in mn senate, i assume nothing will come out of house of representatives of democrats to secure the border, they want to change the nature of of the electorate and vote or, turn some purple states blue and red states purple. is there anything that can be done in house or anything that senate can do. >> also a majority issue for majority of the nation it is a big issue. i think it is tough because, remember where they are at. their leader of party, secretary clinton said borderless many

want to abolish i.c.e. and never secure the border. you have boundaries and borders that is a thing that describes a nation. we can if they see the light. and want to have a border security wall. have it happen in legal way. but it is tough, i think about every issue from chain migration, and sudde sanctuary , visa lottery, they are not with us there. >> let me make a suggestion. when reagan was president, he never had the house of representatives. he shut down the government 6 times. on key issues he wanted to take care of. he got a lot of what he wanted,

he went over the head of democrats in house, he spoke to the american people directly. if the president of united states, wants to secure that border, and spending bills come massive spending mitch mcconnell was proud of themselves getting appropriation bills. and republicans better watch this. is it time to say, okay, this is what i want, and this is what we're going to do. or we'll shut down the government, and when we shut down, we win more election that is the pattern. president takes charge, shuts it down, american people see leadership, they want border secured, we're not without pow sphwhrepower. >> absolutely, i was proud to serve with senator cruz. i am proud of what we tried to to this, we would have succeeded had some folks not run to hill

crying in corner saying shutting down government would cause election, it causes to gain seats and win presidencies. and immigration is one of those issues we need to turn back on the democrats, i tired of letting them take high ground in their opinion, they are somehow pro immigrant, the worse thing they could do in false name of compassion, open borders women and children sold to sex trafficking business, and riding on top of train cars, we need to turn that back on democrats, it is they who have blood on their hands with what is happening on border with children and kids, spend a day on the border, spend a day inle lore red -- texas, ty

have a road. two miles, they can't see the river, because the cain is too thick, they don't have signals, they don't have operational control of border, cartels do because we refuse to do our jobs. mark: how do we fix it, the answer to me, take it to them. >> remember this congress, one time government shut down chuck schumer said amnesity is more important, and american people two days later, saidure are youe crazy, he dpoo. >> we could have got the border security wall if we were willing to engage in the debate, we have a guy in white house who is pretty good at communicating with american people, pretty darn good, if we engage the president or president engages that we're unified in doing that, we could win. mark: almost of week night, you can watch me levin tv, crt

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mark: majority in house, and bigger republican majority in senate, our president, he has to

adjust, the president on how he manages congress. but he does have tools in his tool kit, we just talked about it no bill is the law until he signs it. no appropriation is made untile he agrees. almost nothing happens. you guys in congress, soon to be, you look up there at white house you look at a very powerful position. white house look back at congress, they see these are powerful people. here is the thing, chuck schumer is not the smartest guy in the world, the amnesty thing blew up in his face, brett kavanaugh thing bre blew up in his face. same with house of representatives, radicals are in charge, every single committee could l.a., san francisco, baltimore, manhattan, a big country in between. they will watch too, these are

not brightest light u bulbs either, there are governing opportunity for minority house and president, and majority in senate. here is my concern, unless they are willing to institute the battles. in senate mitch mcconnell, he said we're not going to shut down the government, taken most powerful tool president has away to control and direct spending with house of represen represene hostile to him, how do you think it will play out. >> it is a mistake if senate leadership takes those tools off the table. that is what they did in 2013, keep the tools to table to win the argument, enforce the question, call the question, take it to the american people, not be afraid to run on those things and execute what we're running on. i think spending is a core issue

we can focus on, we fail to balance budget and do our job when republican had control of house, now let's get busy doing our job and focus on balancing the budget, we can do that and force question that president and senate republicans will make douse that. >> no one wants a government shut down, only one this this congress is charles m. schulz -- chuck schumer, why when we were doing what we were electioned to do. they sense congress members to do, where is that shut down government, this is -- i don't want it, no one want its but i want to do what we were sent to do, i want to doh to do. what they told to us do, let's have that debate. chip is right, we don't engage in debates, let's have a debate, i think we can win, we have common sense and truth on our side. mark: isn't evidence that doing right thing is politic a smart. >> absolutely.

>> every time. mark: and doing conservative things are politically smart too. >> yes. mark: a lot of republicans who lost the house races were not conservatives. they ran away from their principles, they tried to cut the baby in half, they were imitating sort of soft democrats, the base may not have turned out, all talk about female in suburbs, i think a lot of people who lost because conservatives, they may have voted in senate, and for governor, but say said what the hell is the house doing. >> never hurts to do what you said, and keep your promises, whether we do that good politics. >> it works every time. mark: we'll be right back. are you taking the tissue test? yep, and my teeth are yellow. time for whitestrips. crest glamorous white whitestrips are the only ada-accepted whitening strips proven to be safe and effective. and they whiten 25x better than a leading whitening toothpaste. crest. healthy, beautiful smiles for life.

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mark: chip roy, jim jordan, chip, you are optimistic about next two years? >> i am absolutely optimistic, i believe in the american people, i believe if you empower the

american people and allow spates to agree to disagree, allow texas to be texas, california to be california and work together, we'll succeed of time, a thousand of people a day move to texas because of freedom. it is place to survive. i had a woman said you have to win this election, we need to save texas from washington, i moved here from california two weeks ago, i got that on trail all of the time, i want optimistic. >> we're americans, we're optimistic, greatest country ever. a scripture verse i love, i believe vast majority of this country believes that fight, finish, keep, we do those, we'll be just fine, we'll continue to be best country ever. mark: a different bible verse, an eye for an eye. >> why does not not surprise me.

mark:en to forget it, chip roy, good luck to you. >> thank you. mark: jim jordan go get them. >> thank you. mark: see you next time on chris: i'm chris wallace. president trump puts a new man in charge at the justice department. throwing the future of the special counsel investigation into question. >> i find the timing very suspect. they should not be able to tint fear with mueller going forward. chris: but the president defends acting attorney general matthew whitaker. president trump: the choice was greeted with raves initially. it's a shame. no matter who you put in, they go after him. chris: what will whitaker do about mueller's russia probe. another recount after a