single day. they protect our freedom, our liberty, our constitution, our way of life that we often take for granted. we want to thank every man and woman in uniform past and present. thank you. your sacrifice will not be forgotten. let not your heart be troubled. laura ingraham, taking it away. >> laura: hannity, great to see you. by the way -- i think you should wear one of those salmon colored hoodies that davidson wore on "saturday night live." what if you don't just the whole opening -- >> sean: you're breaking up on me. la, la, la, la lar, i can't hea you. hello? >> laura: you always do. that when i get a good joke, you can't hear it. can't hear you, water's running. >> sean: hang on, water's

running. and marco did warn us about all of this. >> laura: he's been great. aren't you having a flash back, remember we were on the air in the 2000 recount and it was going back and forth -- >> sean: pimpled, preferforated scattered. >> laura: why haven't they learned anything. but you had a fantastic show as always, tonight, for the. >> sean:ed to go -- good to see you as always. i'm laura ingraham and this is the "ingraham angle" from washington tonight. there are a flurry of lawsuits in the florida recount battle. in moments, a live report from outside the broward county election center. we are also going to talk to experts there on the ground. also, in tonight's angle, you do not want to miss this one. michelle obama's new memoir targets trump, race, and her own marriage. you will hear my take on what the book is really all about ahead on the heated debate on the topic.

french president emmanuel macron is the latest to hit trump over the embrace of nationalism. an expert tells us why trump is right and the french are oh, so wrong. but we start tonight on the ground in florida where republicans rick scott and ron desantis still cling razor thin leads. here to give us the latest is fox correspondent phil keating outside the broward county elections board. phil? >> some counties completed that recounts, but not in broward county or palm beach counting. the recounting of the vote still has not even begun. looking live inside the election departments tabulation center, workers are still running 3.5 million pages, sorting out the first pages from the ballots which actually have the recount races on them. once that is done, broward will run 800,000 ballots through

a dozen tablation machines. the florida senate race between governor rick scott and incumbent democrat bill nelson has scott leading by 12,000 votes out of 8 million cast, that's after round one. six lawsuits in total have been filed by these two candidates, four by scott, to go by nelson. a broward judge denied scott's motion today to allow state cops inside the recount room and impound machines and ballots when not in use. but the judge did decide to add three more broward sheriff's deputies just to make sure everything is secure and running properly. the governor race not as close as the senate race with ron desantis leading tallahassee democrat mayor andrew gillum by 33,000 votes. both parties really want their man in the governor's mansion, seeing that as an edge in this toss-up state that is so close, so close we have three statewide recounts going on here. that's happening two years from

now, the next presidential election. desantis is assembling a transition team and look at offices in tallahassee. meanwhile democrat gillum conceded but took that back over the weekend when the numbers started closing the gap. even though he says his odds of winning the recount are incredibly small, he says every vote still deserves to be counted. the recount deadline statewide, this is florida statute, is thursday 3:00 p.m. all 67 counties must have the recount numbers in. or, according to law, those votes won't be counted. broward is confident they will make that. however up in palm beach county where they have older machines which can only recount one race at a time, they do seriously worry that they can't make that thursday deadline. >> laura: thanks so much. here now are two people with inside knowledge of how this

wacky florida elections system work specifically as they relate to broward and once again palm beach county. republican lizbeth benacquisto is the rules chair for the florida state senate. let me start with you. what should the viewers at home need to understand tonight about these persistent problems all these years later in broward county? >> hi, laura. i just left the supervisor of elections office. i can tell you that the tens and thousands of ballots being run through machines through the night. we have yet to begin the recount process here. >> laura: wait a second. it's supposed to be finished by thursday and yet the mandated recount in broward county has not yet begun? how is this the 21st century in the most technologically advanced country on the planet, how is this still possible? >> well you know, process and

procedure are central to an election, in fact, it's everything. when that is lacking or perceived to be lacking, this is the result. i worked on the recount in 2000. some things are different and some things stay the same. >> laura: what are the things that should get floridans and frankly, all americans across the country, what should give them faith in the system tonight? >> first and foremost, we know longer have chads, we are no longer dealing with hanging chads, pregnant chads, on vision. we have scantron's and bubbling. so we'll have undervotes and overvotes but there will be a lot less possibility for manipulation and problems like that. i have to tell you i'm convinced that once this is done, the result we had on tuesday night will stand. >> laura: sherry, let's go to you. palm beach county -- elizabeth, let's go to you.

palm beach county, susan bucher, who is the elections supervisor there said the following about the thursday 3:00 p.m. deadline. this is palm beach county. she said our equipment is not designed to meet the deadline and we been complaining to the state for almost ten years and they never extended the deadline. we'll give it our best shot effort but what we need to do is machine recount all of our ballots to find the over and under votes. and then she said she didn't know whether she thought they would miss the deadline or not. again, same question we are asking about palm beach county. i mean, again, the money they've poured into the electoral process in florida, yet we're still back at the machines aren't good enough. i find this whole thing both sad and uproariously funny if it went so important. >> thank you for having me, laura. but the truth is it's unacceptable. when the supervisor of elections

of palm beach county raised her right hand and took an oath to follow the law it wasn't when it was convenient. it wasn't when it was easy, it was every time. we have every expectation that she will meet that deadline and perform as she has sworn her obligation to do. >> laura: let's go back to you because brenda snipes has spoken out and said this after all the questions, jeb bush tweeted today saying she should step aside in broward county. let's watch. >> the lawsuits as they are written cast dispersions on my character and reveal character over a period of time and character is always on display. i've worked here for about 15 years. i have to say, this is the first time that this office or i have been under such attack. if we make mistakes, we own those mistakes. >> laura: this is the first time we have ever heard a complaint

about brenda snipes? okay? president obama is going to run for senate as a conservative in some state. it's craziness. >> i was there today when she said that. i think she's sincere in what she says and she truly believes it, but the fact remains that it seems incredibly ad hoc, the formal process and procedure, and if there are, they don't certainly seem to be followed. when you have that, you are naturally going to have the chaos and the resulting confusion, basically a sense of crisis in our election system. >> laura: conventional wisdom is that she's done, snipes is done. scott and desantis, presuming they hold onto their slim leads, they are going to move quickly to replace her -- is that accurate, senator? >> i truly believe that governor-elect desantis will work with a legislator to make sure that we undertake all necessary and appropriate updates and changes to the

electoral laws and make sure that we have a system in place that instills confidence in the residents of the state of florida. >> laura: floridians, at this point, it's about your pride. we've got to get your pride back. and just fix this. republican/democrat, doesn't matter. just fix this so this ridiculous situation does not occur for yet the next election. we appreciate you both being on tonight. just today, governor rick scott coming under fire, two different fronts. first, a group of florida voters filed a lawsuit alleging that scott has illegally abused his power as governor to swing the outcome of his race. second, his incumbent democratic senator bill nelson is calling for his recusal. watch. we don't have it. we are going to keep going for joining me now, constitutional law expert, professor john

eastman. john, the state judge jeff tudored a mtudor admonished governor scott today for suggesting voter fraud occurred at the state. everything they are saying in front of the election offices being beamed all over the country. we have to be careful what we say. words mean things these days. are republicans exaggerating this? >> i don't think they are exaggerating. i am one of the lawyers suing brenda snipes right now. what we found is they don't clean their voter rolls for illegal citizens or felonies or people who die out of state. they do check for people who die in state. but a lot of floridans had two residences. it's unconscionable they're not clearing those rolls. that's so significant because it creates an opportunity for fraud. when they've uncovered 80,000 ballots after election night, you know, because they wanted to narrow the race, you've just got to raise some real serious red flags. >> laura: when people think

80,000 ballots, they think this is the united states of america if jimmy carter had gone to some foreign country and you had heard of these types of things happening, jimmy carter would be giving a speech about how this is a bloodless coup going on in a particular country's race. >> ugandan delegation is going to watch our elections. >> laura: listening to some of the other types on other networks, this is just outrageous that there is anyone out there alleging voter fraud. this is just a process, miguel, the process says to go on. maybe it takes a little while. but "every vote must be counted." is that what's really going on here? >> we do agree every vote must be counted, but when you do things behind closed doors, when you do not report periodically as you are supposed to, when you

deny access to people to witness in the election process which, our law by the way, requires that it be witnessed then you do sow doubts into the electorate as to the integrity of the election. some things we know so far, we know 22 illegal votes when mixed with the votes that were valid votes. that can't be taken back because those are anonymous. we know that at least one noncitizen voted and that the gillum campaign was at voekting to have that vote count. when there is no public viewing of the process, it does create questions. >> laura: when i say every vote must count, that such a noble blanket statement. it's a great sentiment. but, john, isn't it true that every legal vote must count and the rules have to apply across the board regardless of what outcome you wish in the end. >> that's right. i'll give you one example. court decision in august against

brenda snipes, i was intrigued that she said she never made a mistake before, they were opening absentee ballots unsupervised in secret. the reason that significant is you've got to verify the absentee ballot is from a legal voter before that ballot is taken out and put into the anonymous box where you can't otherwise pull it back. nd she was doing this and got an injunction issued to stop that. these are the kind of things routinely going on down there. that's a problem. we learned that in 2000. we learned about dimpled ballots that can't be dimpled without breaking the thing. unless you packed in several ballots at once. these are the kind of things that have been going on there way too long. >> laura: some of the smaller races that are very significant positions in florida have also been affected by this. after trailing republican matt caldwell after tuesday's a vote for the agricultural commissioner which is a big position in florida, has enormous significance in policymaking in the state, democrat nikki friede now leads

him by 5,326 votes. they found those votes too! how is this possible that you're finding votes all these days after an election? >> that's a big question mark and we're trying to find out. the bottom line right now is the votes that were reported saturday are the universe of votes that are going to be subject to the recount. we have the governor trailing by -- governor-elect trailing by 34,000 votes. the senator-elect trailing by 12,000 votes. i don't think a recount is going to make a difference in this case. >> laura: rarely does, correct? they rarely make a difference. swings 200 votes either way. >> even if you bring in the vote subject to lawsuit in the panhandle, you are talking about 2,000 votes. that's not going to swing this election. and the important thing is to

make sure that there are a lot of eyes on this process from this moment on. >> laura: talking about so many ways republicans could have handled this in years leading up to this. to me, it's a swing and a miss. for rick scott who i think was a phenomenal governor. why wasn't this cleaned up? so many radio callers said why didn't this get cleaned up by now. andrea mitchell said she was a republican today -- no, she was appointed by a republican. >> she was appointed by jeb bush but after another election scandal when they found hundreds of ballots stuffed into a drawer that weren't ever counted. there are two things here. one, the reason we keep adding new counts is because they're accepting absentee ballots that come in after the legal deadline. that's a violation of florida law -- >> laura: why isn't that a violation of the voting rights act? >> it does cancel out lawful votes. the second thing is, we don't have any chain of custody.

these -- you know, anybody that watches any crime show knows about the chain of custody evidence. we ought to be applying the same -- >> laura: every ballot must be ensured. >> it ought not to go out the office both without a republican and democrat watching where it goes. >> laura: this happened -- are you concerned this could happen going forward in 2020? >> i am very concerned. one of the reasons we have national voter registration act and help america vote act is to provide money to the states to make sure this does not happen again. >> laura: gentlemen, thank you very much. up next, my angle takes on michelle obama's new memoir. stay right there. i am a family man.

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michelle obama's rolling out her new memoir titled "becoming" with exactly the sort of fanfare we've come to expect from the obama's 13-city book tour and touchy feeley interviews by celebrity moderators. the former first lady gave a sit down with "gma" robin roberts. and the issue of race is prominent. even when does obama talk about meeting her husband. >> comes in a little bit famous already, late for the first meeting. >> late! i'm like, is he trifling? a black man is going to be late on the first date? >> you weren't overtly impressed in the beginning? >> i wasn't. i had my suspicions when a bunch of white folks fawn over a black man because i kind of thing, he can talk straight so they think he's wonderful. so, that was my theory. >> laura: stereotyping much?

for all of her beauty, the glamour and obvious accomplishments, the former first lady just can't get past race. it's a loop that served her repeatedly in public comments? >> what could you wish you could tell your prewhite house self? >> you know, the hard parts were the things i expected. that it was going to be hard. so much of this country lives in isolation. we just don't know each other. so there were people who didn't know what a black woman was and sounded like. i knew that was going to be a challenge that i would have to earn my grace. >> laura: wait, wait, wait. americans didn't know what a black woman was and sounded like? what america is that? long before anyone had ever heard of barack or michelle obama, america had already made enormous progress vis-a-vis race. think about it.

some of the biggest names in business, medicine, the law, entertainment, sports, media are african-american. but, of course, this isn't the first time we heard mrs. obama share her feelings about america. remember this comment she made after her husband won the nomination in 2008? >> let me tell you something. for the first time in my adult life, i am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback. [cheers and applause] >> laura: that was before they won the nomination, but you get the point. again, until the obamas showed up, america was in sad shape racially. at least we are led to believe that. well, contrary to her well cultivated public image, michelle obama, from her earliest years at princeton was extremely political. that's fine. no big deal.

she grew up in a middle-class chicago household. >> across the street, i usually met my friend terry johnson right in front of that garage. this is my block. >> three generations of robinson's live here on euclid avenue, a home owned by michelle's great aunt robbie and uncle terry. >> laura: she's the daughter of a democrat ward boss and work her way up to the ivy league. laudable, no doubt. but contrast the gauzy media coverage of her personal story by the way under their black female brainiac has been treated over the years, conservative scholar condoleezza rice. rice grew up in much worse conditions, the segregated south. she would earn degrees from the university of denver, notre dame, and the fellowship at stanford university where she eventually became a professor and a provost. she become the first female african-american secretary of state long before anyone heard of michelle or barack obama.

i guess condoleeza was just unable to show us what a prominent woman looks like or sounded like. again, it's all who tells the story. i mean, michelle obama collected more magazine covers then vegetables from that white house garden. while a real "cover girl," first lady melania trump, supermodel, is lucky she gets her picture in the "parade" magazine insert. this michelle obama book launch, when you really think about it, is just one more example of someone cashing in for a trashing donald trump. also it helps set the table for 2020. the obamas still want to be the big power brokers in the democratic party, and michelle is a global superstar, so she helped frame the issues for the democratic party is still straddling the old and the new. in the aftermath of the election, hillary clinton tried to explain why a 52% of white women voted for donald trump.

>> a sort of ongoing pressure to vote the way that your husband, your boss, your son, whoever, believes you should. >> now michelle obama takes that snide condescension a step further, writing in her memoir "becoming," i will always wonder about what led so many women in particular to reject an exceptionally qualified female candidate and instead choose a misogynist as their president. very nice. remember, she wasn't paid that huge advance that she got for her book to share fashion tips or pumpkin pie recipes but to deliver body blows to trump with a velvet glove. >> i say what i continued to

say. being commander in chief is a hard job and you need to have discipline, you need to read, be knowledgeable, no history, be careful with your words. but voters make those decisions and once the voters have spoken, you know, we live with what we live with. >> laura: drat. democracy. michelle obama's attack on the president and her dismissive writing, writing off a whole chunk of the american electorate and a sizable group of women that she claims she cares so much about, may be it's surprising to some but it's really not unexpected. she is, for all of her protestations, a political actor. but wrapped in the glittery and base of celebrity michelle holds women passing some of that, some of it acidic in her memoir, because oprah today named it one of her book club picks. but if michelle obama continues the divisive and racially obsessed politics she's been pedaling in advance of this release, readers may consider it

one of their least favorite things. they might find some of her political commentary unbecoming. that's the angle. up next, can't miss reaction to the angle and michelle obama's intentions in this book from candace owens, monica crowley, and rochelle richie. don't move.

>> laura: to respond to my angle, candace owens, communications director for turning point usa, monica crowley, senior columnist for "the washington times," and the democratic strategist rochelle richie. candace, are these political swipes and reworked old stories, are they really worth the half of the reported $65 million advance that michelle obama was paid for her memoir by crown publishing? >> to the democratic party, they are worth it.

these are the same tired and baseless accusations that everybody says when they want to sell books. we saw this from michael wolf, we saw this from omarosa. they're constantly using the president and trying to feed the divisive rhetoric that's already out there in the media. i take great exception to the idea that our president is a misogynist. misogyny does not appoint sarah sanders. misogyny does not appoint kellyanne conway. misogyny does not appoint everybody on his staff that we are seeing being led by women. it's really ridiculous and it's tired and it's really unbecoming especially coming from the former administration to constantly verbally assault this president. >> laura: rochelle, it's interesting coming from somebody who's such a global celebrity as michelle obama to hear her sound -- i would say rather ordinary in her criticism of the president. i mean, what she said about the president, without necessarily mentioning his name, is what you'd hear on one of the other

cable networks, morning, noon, and night, you could pick that line out of the commentary that you hear on all the trump haters on the other cables. how does that distinguish michelle obama from any garden-variety leftist? >> look, laura, it's not surprised that i'm the only person on the panel who's actually excited to read michelle obama's book. i think she's an exceptional woman. i think she serves as a great example to women all across the world that our ticket to success is our brains and not our body. i think she's simply telling her truth. i mean, the xenophobic accusations that were hurled at her husband were definitely offensive and she mentioned in her book, it put her family at risk. i think she's just being very candid and very honest. this is one portion of the book she is talking about trump. it's not entirely about trump. i don't see really the problem with her writing this book and i think many more first ladies, i'm sure first lady melania trump will come out with a book and she'll share her personal feelings what it's like to be in a trump white house.

i'm not really sure why there is so much anger and hatred as far as michelle obama coming out and sharing her truth. >> laura: it's not anger. it's really not hatred. we have nothing personally against the first lady and she's extremely impressive as an individual, as a mother, as a spokesperson for what she believes in. i think she's very impressive. we are talking something that they decided to sell this book with. trump trashing is a cash in scenario, monica. when you trash trump -- you can say the same thing about people criticizing obama early on in the presidency, to be fair here. but you trash trump, you get a big advance. why is that interesting? that's my point that it's interesting to hear about her growing up. i guess maybe how she met barack, but we've heard those stories before. but trump is a racist, trump is a misogynist -- okay. we've been hearing that now for years. >> right.

it's boring and predictable, and that's why it's so disappointing to hear it from the former first lady. there used to be a rule, laura that if you don't have something nice to say about someone then don't say anything at all. that rule used to extend to former presidents, their wives and others in a president's inner circle. mr. obama's predecessors have abided by that rule. but mr. president and the first lady has -- i wonder if she had political ambitions of her own, what she can stake out this round in attacking the president. i also think both of them were so concerned when president trump was elected that their entire legacy was about to go out the window. we were told for eight years by the obamas and everyone in their administration was that the new

local was -- american decline, the globalist march, all these things were inevitable. president trump have put the lie to all of that. so i think what you're seeing is anonymous frustrationing and lashing out on the part of mrs. obama and frankly everyone in the obama administration. >> laura: i want to play for you something from zerlina maxwell and she was on msnbc on the subject. let's watch. >> i agree with her. the fact we elected someone who had no qualifications to be a president, who was running against a woman with a laundry list of qualifications to be president and instead america or the electorate chose to give the electoral college to the person with no experience who happened to be a man, just like all the other presidents. what michelle obama is highlighting is that is in and of itself misogynistic and

sexist and perhaps as a country we should take a moment to reflect on that. >> laura: again from a woman who voted for trump are either dumb or they are just following their husbands or we are not going to offer any ideas, candace, how to raise the standard of living for the standard american, we are going to call people misogynist, racist, xenophobic, nativist, all the ists and isms, they are all worn out, forget debating of ideas. >> that's exactly correct. you're right. it is frustration, it is fatigue. they're not offering anything of substance. there's no ideological debate taking place. okay, you are apprehensive in the beginning for trump and his lack of experience in the realm of politics but this president has been tremendously successful. it feels a bit like whining. as americans, we are ready to move on that everybody has to be -- you do not elect somebody because they are a woman. you select somebody because they are the best person suited for the job. up against hillary clinton, he ran a better campaign and that's

why he's in the oval office today. >> laura: rochelle, do you think the press has treated melania in the same way that they treated michelle? >> look, no. i don't think they have and i can be honest about that. i mean, when we look at how michelle obama was treated, she was treated in a very different way. but i think that's because her husband was also not pushing forward very divisive rhetoric in the press and her husband was not attacking the press. this is something that -- you know, melania is not innocent when it comes to this whole birther issue which she pedaled with her husband. so, yeah, no, they haven't treated her fairly. but at the same time, they're looking at the sort of administration and sort of rhetoric coming from her husband and it's not attractive to them. >> laura: are you aware of the polls at the end of the obama

administration that at the end of his eight years whether it felt like it was his country? >> what i'm aware of 77% of the country in the polls that came out before the midterm elections as the country feels that they are more divisive. i am aware of that poll. >> laura: what i'm trying to say, and monica i'm sure you're aware of this, that there was a wild percentage of americans who believe that the obama presidency was not a uniting force in america, despite all the promise and historic nature of his presidency, people felt like the country was more divided and less united -- >> how? >> laura: and angrier. this is not a daily caller poll. i think it was a.p. or "washington post." forgive me for not having it on the top of my head. not how a lot of people felt at the end of eight years of obama, why in part they elected trump. >> that's exactly right. what we saw over the eight years with president obama is while he

was personally popular, people appreciated the fact that he was an exceptional character, the first african-american president and they were a proud of that fact. his policies were wholly unpopular. in some ways that's the mirror image, personally not so popular but his policies are incredibly popular. so you know, and getting back to the melania issue, any republican first lady is going to be treated like this, laura. it's a fact of the double standard life in america, unfortunately. it's really unfair to her. but i think americans by and large are sick of the double standard and that's why -- >> laura: it's apparent. >> and continues to support for president trump. he's trying to smash it. >> laura: it's apparent. we are out of time, but the bushes did not criticize the obamas. they didn't. >> that's correct. >> why would they! i know you're talking to candace. >> laura: because we had

they doubled the debt. and we had benghazi. but obama care was a cram down. >> they also didn't question whether or not obama was born in this country. >> these are cheap shots. >> i'm going to finish my thought. they're trying to resuscitate their relevantsy. >> laura: thank you very much. president trump called out once again for his embrace of nationalism by the leader of a country who benefited from american power, of course, an intellectual on nationalism is answering emmanuel macron next. a (inspiring music)

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- [yael] god promises to bless those who bless israel. may you be blessed as you bless his children. >> they have a word, it sort of became old fashioned. it's called a nationalist. i say really, we're not supposed to use that word. you know what i am? i'm a nationalist. >> laura: president trump has defended his use of the term nationalism as an intense love of one's country. but leftist commentators and other internationalists say a dog whistle. a white supremacist. and now on an occasion commemorating the 100-year anniversary of the ending of world war i, french president

emmanuel macron has joined the fray. >> nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism. by saying ours first, who cares about the others? >> laura: joining me now, the author of the book "the virtue of nationalism," and former nato chief of staff. let me start with you. now what does macron get wrong here about nationalism? >> well, laura, macron is pursuing the same agenda that he's iterated repeatedly since he was elected a year and a half ago. just in october at the united nations macron told us he deplores a world that he calls a world of lawlessness in which everyone pursues their own interests. macron has a problem with the idea of national interest. he says that national interest is national selfishness. he's telling president trump to

be a nationalist and pursue your own interest is a betrayal of moral values. >> laura: all right, this is what christian whitten is saying about macron's commentary. let's watch. >> i think macron within the e.u. is under a lot of pressure. frankly, germany is willing to cut a deal on the trade changes that trump wants, to lower tariffs across the board. macron doesn't like that. he doesn't like having to spend more on the military. he doesn't like the fact that italy, along with britain, peeling away from the e.u. not quite as directly. eastern europe not as kosher on the e.u. so a lo it of these things just aren't going the way this former investment banker would like them to go. >> laura: if globalism of the sort that macron loves, and internationalism, was helping the average german or frenchman, there wouldn't be a backlash against internationalism or globalism. there would be let's do more of it.

but they're under enormous pressure, are they not? >> they absolutely are. this speech, there is to go -- two parts to this speech. one is macron is a encapsulating himself as an opponent of trump and he's betting that the french people believe and are supportive of an antitrump -- pushing back on him. they've had gains in recent polls. >> this is risky for macron because he is european elections coming up next year which will be the first barometer for his own term. he's trying to put himself in polar opposite to trump. he's isolated because mrs. merkel, her political ambitions are on the decline. but also, this speech was a warning to those that believe that the nationalism and populism that fuelled world war i is on the rise and is a danger to the european continent. i think he was brave to make

that statement. >> laura: this is what they said today about what nationalism actually creates. let's watch. >> what led to world war i and were going to is nationalism, basically. it's divisions and european allies have seen the wars, have seen the consequences of what nationalisms could destroy, their own country. when macron says collaboration and fighting together for the common good, talks about creating a european army, you have to watch for these things and i feel like this is the beginning of the european separation from america. >> totally agree. >> and this is really scary. >> laura: this is really scary. why is it scary for europe to spend more money on europe's defense? 100 years after world war i armistice? why is that calamitous to the internationalists? i'm not following that. >> this is the same propaganda we've been hearing from liberal intellectuals in europe since right after world war ii. they always have the same mantra that nationalism caused the world wars.

historically, if you go after world war i you'll see that most people after world war i believed that what caused the first world war to go on for four and a half years and to lead to 20 million deaths was the life and death struggle between german imperialism trying to break the back of its british imperialism and its effort to take over the world. with world war ii, you can say the same thing. adolf hitler, if he hadn't wanted to take over the world, if he hadn't said in "mein kampf" was to make germany and the lord of the earth and mistress in globe, might've been a terrible german leader but would not have led to the deaths of 50 or 60 million people. >> laura: just very quickly respond to that. nation-building, wanting to transpose our view of democracy on other nations, we've lost trillions of dollars, countless lives, damage lives at home, depleted our military, we

weren't pursuing nationalist agenda in iraq or afghanistan or throughout the middle east were we? >> no, but what i think macron is saying is that europe has maintained peace when the transatlantic community has cooperated. when the common elements of common security, which nato represents, actually supports american interest and support french, german, u.k. interests. and there's a risk today that that transatlantic unity is falling apart. >> laura: where are they going to go, into the arms of china? >> no. i think the fear is trump is going to take the united states out of the game and russia and china can create conflict like they are creating in eastern ukraine, like china is doing in the south china sea, and the u.s. will not be there. >> laura: gentlemen, fascinating conversation. thank you so much. up next, we go live to the ground in california where those devastating fires continue to ravage two separate parts of the state. devastating fires continue to ravage two separate parts of the state.

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>> laura: three separate wildfires continue to rage in california tonight and the devastating images continue to pour in. evacuee john yates, just look like "dante's inferno," black and red was all you can see. the numbers are heart breaking. over 200,000 acres completely scorched. tens of thousands of structures completely destroyed. then the human toll. 31 have been confirmed dead with another 230 unaccounted for. joining us now on the ground in paradise, california, is rachel shackelford, a local horse trainer leading efforts to evacuate animals as well. thank you so much for being

here. i am so sorry for what you and everyone in your community have been going through. it is -- it's almost too much to comprehend. how are you personally holding up, but if you could take us through some of your efforts. >> my gosh. thank you. it's been a long five days so i apologize. i'm a little weary over here. it's a very humbling experience being out here. amazing how a lot of us, the horse community really are coming together. everyone is donating what they can, if they can't come, their time, their finances, their resources, it really does take a village to help everyone out here. all of our hearts go out, so we are all working together very closely to come together and be out here are the people, their animals, their property, their neighbors, their friends, their family, it's been very devastating being out here. >> laura: i was so heartened to

see through all this heartbreak and tragedy that people putting aside their differences, their political differences, "what can i do to help you. what do you need? can i get you a truck, trailer, feed"? you can bring your animal to my home. we need to do more of that in this country. i'm a political commentator, but the best of our country comes out in a time of crisis, and that applies to politician who should sometimes button it and not comment on things. people like me, i just applaud all of you for doing what we should do to help our fellow man. it's awesome. >> thank you so much. nor cal livestock evacuation and rescue, that's what we are about. we are a bunch of volunteers put together, we work individually with the owners. if the air is clear we are able to come out here and get their

animals. we are closely working with chp, with the rangers and the game wardens. we're out here wanting to make sure that we are also safe as well as the property so when we get the animals we can go ahead and bring them back to the volunteers and the other certified help that are working closely with the veterinarians to get the animals the care that they need so they can be reunited. it's amazing how much social media has gone on. every once in a while we are like, man, we do not want to get on facebook. what's going to be on there? but it has been amazing how far facebook, instagram, twitter. >> laura: you got it done. it's amazing. rachel, thank you so much. incredible report. don't lose your own life. as much as we want to save our animals, look out for yourself, too, my friends. up next, the last bite. ..

>> the living have a responsibility to remember the conditions that led to the wars >> the living have responsibility to member the conditions that led to the wars in which our heroes died. perhaps we can start by remembering this, but all of those who died for us and our country were in one way or another victims of the peace process but failed. victims of the decision forget certain things, to forget that the surest way to keep peace

going is to stay strong. weakness is a temptation. attempts the pugnacious to assert themselves but strength is a declaration that cannot be misunderstood. >> beautiful words about keeping the peace on veterans day, 33 years ago president reagan. our thanks to all veterans who have been part of that word because protecting freedom and liberty, your cherished forever. that's all the time we have to make. shannon bream and the fox news at 19 take it from here. >> no better way to end the show. thank you so much. we begin with a fox news alert. ballot counting continues in florida where razor thing margins trigger automatic recount is in the races for senate and governor and others as well as results are in from the closely watched race in arizona, live update moments away. florida, arizona and georgia, vote tallies are do just hours from now. the search for bodies