thanks for being with us. have a great night. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening, welcome to "tucker carlson tonight" ." the imaginary central american migrant caravan, the one you've been told over and over doesn't exist, if you don't believe it, you are immoral. turns out, it does exist. it is a physical reality, and in fact, it is here. it is that the u.s. border. breakaway group from the caravan has made its way to tijuana. they didn't walk, as you were told they were doing, they were driven. and now members are climbing over the border fence there. the migrants were able to reach this country thanks to the assistance of organizations whose explicit purpose is getting people into this country legally or not.

trace gallagher has more details on what is going on. trace? >> tucker, right now there are trickle primary caravans making their way north, including anywhere from 4,000 to 7,000 people here are the first of the major caravans is expected to arrive at the u.s. border sometime late next week, but as you say, some 350 migrants have now arrived at the border in tijuana. thousands of them scaled of the fence and taunted border patrol officers, others stood at the offense or hung out on the beach, but they want their presence known to both border patrol and media. watch this. [speaking spanish] >> that is a slang for "honduran." there are reports they broke from the main caravan about four or five days ago and took buses north. it is impossible to tell how many are from the caravan because border patrol tells a central american migrants sometimes arrive in droves every single day at the u.s. border. we certainly know that many of

these migrants are being coached by groups like people without borders, a chicago-based immigration advocacy group, even left-leaning news organizations like the "los angeles times" and "washington post" have reported that members of pueblos sin fronteras, are embedded with the group. mexico is offered most of these people asylum and jobs, and yet, they continue heading north. also, they could move to the u.s. border in texas, but instead, they go the long way, hundreds of miles out of their way, to tijuana, and that is because the goal is to get to california and take advantage of the states sanctuary laws and the benefits that go along with that. of course, thousands begin arriving the next few weeks, synthetic groups will be at the border to greet them. talker. >> tucker: trace gallagher, thanks for the update. appreciate it. the images you just saw are embarrassing and awkward for the

liars you've been watching on television for the past month. of the to up and lecturing you that the caravan doesn't exist and telling you that everything is just fine at the border. >> the president come along with his favorite tv network, repeating the drama on the looming so-called invasion, as they put it. >> the programming on the caravan was propaganda. it was political, campaign motivated propaganda. >> trump is like a racist paul revere, "the migrants are coming." he keeps calling it an invasion. yes, an invasion of strollers. >> he made news by rocketing up the caravan, scared talk, any true numbers he believes are needed to meet this alleged threat. >> tucker: the so-called invasion, so people are streaming to the border, what would you call it? i don't know, you're not allowed to call it anything, actually. this is a recurring theme on the left. i don't believe your own eyes, you are too dumb to trust your own senses. listen to the smart kids, they know best. there is no crisis on the

border. even as hundreds of thousands of people stream into this country over the year illegally, there is no illegal immigration crisis. yes, there are 22 million people living here illegally, but that is not a crisis. it is not real. they will tell you that on a loop, endlessly, until the day they retake power. at which point they will say the crisis is a real, in fact, it is so enormous, we can only solve it by granting blanket amnesty to all the people here illegally. 22 million, after all, what else can we do? this is a metaphor, really, for the left's entire program, which is built entirely on denying reality, they deny the reality of illegal immigration, terrorism, biological gender, and woe to the person who raises their hand and tries to assert reality into the conversation. if they don't want that. when you have a program built and deception, it is not surprising they are also against free speech. you can't afford to have an honest conversation. we would like to have an honest conversation. that is why we are speaking to

ryan dean wright, former cia officer, and joins us on site. i think our and mark there are arguments in favor of letting these people in, that is a real position. and maybe you can make the case, it is good for america, good for the economy, maybe you think it is bad and you wanted anyway. all kinds of arguments. we'll but what is not an argumes telling me i am a racist for acknowledging the reality of what is happening. and that is the position i am seeing on television. >> you are correct. here's what we should be starting with this conversation. the facts. which we typically don't. so the facts tell us that first-generation immigrants are a drain on our economy. the second, eventually and third generation become contributors. that is the fact. secondarily. we know that the folks coming across the border, 1,000 to 2,000 people each day, again, having kids a year oratorical years down the road, talking about hundreds of thousands of people, all told. those folks -- initially, anyway -- a bird into our

economy paired whether or not they can trip you down the road is a different conversation. we should be able to have this conversation regardless of our political affiliation had been to have a strong border, prevent some of these folks are coming across, and if we don't, shame on us as a country. >> tucker: i agree with that. i do think, as you just said, in many ways, this is an economic question. i don't understand how you can look at the projections for what automation is about to do to our economy, eliminating a huge percentage of low skilled labor in this country, and say we need more low skilled labor appeared how can you make that argument? >> you can't bear to the top ten jobs we see that immigrants tak take, jobs less than $20 an hour. even the obama ministers and said those are going to be automated. the argument for an increasing number of qualified folks who don't speak english, don't have a skill set we need for the

economy, or frankly, the one that is already here, that is a silly argument. it doesn't hold water, so i always want to believe the best about people, that they have honorable motives, and i think most people do, but if you can't even martial and economic argument in favor of your immigration policy, i'm less -- maybe it is only about getting more votes for your party. >> how cynical. >> tucker: i don't want to be cynical. i just don't see any other rational. >> you may be correct. there may be parts of the party -- make no mistake about it, they want open borders. just the other day -- yesterday, in fact, senator gillibrand from new york was a buddy buddy with the guy who wants to remove the border between the united states in mexico. so there is -- not just an activist community, but within the left of this nation, my own party, i hate to say -- who want open borders. that feeds into this issue, not only did and how do we take care of them, but ultimately, where they to vote for? there is a play there that i

think one could argue, this is a political play, this is about boats. i think it is there to have the concern and that fear. >> tucker: if i hear one more on cable news cry racism when somebody tries to have and honest conversation, i'm getting rid of my television. thank you very much. great to see you. the florida recount continues tonight. democrats are battling to change the results by any means necessary. that will not surprise you. of the details might, though. we will have them after the break. ♪ when heartburn hits... fight back fast with tums smoothies. it starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue... and neutralizes stomach acid at the source. ♪ tum tum tum tum... smoothies... only from tums

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>> tucker: well, the recount continues tonight in this country's least competent vote counting state. the upside of all of this sort of recount stuff, by the way, is a man named craig patrick. always great to see him, political editor, chief investigator for fox and tampa bay, joins us for the recount. what is happening? >> we have more dueling gaps, once again, focusing on the south florida, particularly democrats that i will start with the good news for senator bill nelson. we now know that the democratic party did, in fact, rally his supporters. to make sure they get the mail in ballots fixed, ballots finalized before the deadline. the bad news for bill nelson is, they got the dates mixed up, and they gave the wrong deadline, telling people that you have until thursday, november 8th, when the election was a tuesday, sixth. in the evidence for this is leading to the democratic party of florida sending out these government for forms, the wrong

date, effectively confusing people, leaving maybe a lot of democrats to say, oh, galligan. this is something that seems to of affected voters, specifically, in broward county and three other counties. stop and think about that for a moment. the democratic party, apparently one, sabotaging conceivably, bill nelson, two, franchising their blunders in this, shooting themselves in the foot, four, not knowing what the deadline was, and five, conceivably, breaking election law all in one fell swoop. this is something that the state has sent over to the feds to investigate. we will see how that works out. one other blunder that stands out that has risen to the surface, you have continuing woes in palm beach county in southeast florida, where you have a faulty voting machines. apparently, when they get stressed, they are old, they are ancient, to the point that they spit out erroneous results, which is causing election managers they are too recount

votes that had already been recounted, recalling the monty python machines, because you feed them through, it is okay, one, two, five, no, three, and with this, you have palm beach county now racing the clock, along with broward county. in other news, governor rick scott under pressure to recuse himself from certifying the results of his own disputed race. he has done that. he is moving on to washington, now, and mitch mcconnell introduced him as the new senator from florida, which is premature, it is presumptuous, but it also increasing likely, as well, because bill nelson has filed all of the challenges, time is running out. if you look at the math, even as nelson prevails on every single one, which seems to be a reach, there does not appear to be enough ballots to get him where he needs to be. unless there is some kind of big machine malfunction, which based on the things we have seen is not inconceivable, but we will find out one way or another about that, most likely by the

deadline of the machine recount. >> tucker: unbelievable. it has been 18 years, you think they would be running like a swiss canton right now. but it is florida. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> tucker: of rubio has been raising alarm over the state of florida irregularities for quite some time to thank you very much for coming on. i know you are a senate representative for the state of florida, and you are from florida, but objectively as you can, what is the core problem with elections in florida? >> there isn't. 65 of 67 counties did it right. miami dane county is right on border with broward, they got all the votes and on time. and then they did the recount on time. it is largely focused on two counties, one in particular, broward county, where you have an election director, who is done this in the past. when someone -- a perfect example of the provisional ballots, right, the people that she, you don't show up in the system, they let you vote, but they put your vote in

count them on her own without committing them the right way to the provisional -- to the canvassing board. when that was discovered, she said all right, i will give it to the canvassing board, but she had already separated the ballots from the envelopes. they found 20 to be invalid, but there is no way to match of the ballots to the envelope when you separate them, so she submitted 205 vote to the state out of that batch, 20 of them, at least 20 of them, or invalid votes. now she claims are not part of the count, which contradicts what her lawyer said a few days ago. when someone that incompetent is sitting on thousands of ballots, we don't how many there are, she is not regularly recording them, of course we're going to be concerned about that, and of course we are going to be concerned that the reporting -- it is now time. lawyers are arguing to the state, to the judge, trying to get a federal judge to do two things. one, throughout state law when it comes to voter intent. they are going to do a manual recount of the senate race for all of the ballots that either

didn't vote in the senate race were double voted. and there is a very specific law for what voter intent is. if you circle rick scott or bill nelson, that is fine, but you have to have done it throughout the ballot. the machine won't read it. they want to throughout that standard and just let it be -- i don't know what. >> tucker: can you change the standard after the voters? >> that's my concern. you say there's a problem with the lawsuit, the legislator is there. but have a judge coming and i and also florida law after the election, we're going to change the rules, in hopes of influencing the outcome, that, to me, is stealing the election. they also want to force them to count every mail ballot, even the one on which the signature didn't match the signature on file for the voter. these are the two fundamental arguments. >> tucker: that is the requirement, that the signature has to match. that is the existing requirement, how can they argue it is no longer the requirement? >> they say is arbitrary standard. >> tucker: but that was the standard on election day? >> correct. that i'm hoping a reasonable judge will argue, that is a good point, he should have erased a mike rasor before the election.

we are not going to change the rules of the election after the election to influence the outcome, because if you do, that is stealing an election paired >> tucker: amazing. so, i want to ask you about the question of nationalism paired the president described himself as a nationalist, recently, talk by the leader of france for doing that, he recently published a "wall street journal" op-ed defending the idea of nationalism. why is nationalism a necessary concept in modern america? >> american nationalism. what is our identity? if not a common race, ethnicity, america is a de facto rejection of that. it is fundamental he promised on this notion, we are all children of god, we are all born -- all created equal by our creator, and given equal rights, life, liberty, and pursuing happiness. it is deeply rooted in morals and values. in fact, and explain everything this nation has done, internationally and domestically. we should be proud of that identity. we should defend that. at number two, i think most of the viewers watching this

program would be shocked to thik that my job is to represent belgium, or my job is to represent -- i have nothing against belgium. i always pick on belgium or luxembourg, they have their own system of government. that doesn't mean i need to be hostile toward them. it may be in our national interest to work with them. i think nato is in our national interest. i think a lot of our alliances are built on that. in fact, our national identity as a nation that believes in equality of all people, it is what is caused to defend democracy all over the world. we should be proud of that. but as a government leader, my fundamental obligation first and foremost is to work on behalf of the american people. on most of the time, if not all of the time, we can do that without hurting other people around the world. >> tucker: it is hard to know the argument against what you just said might be. why would people of jack -- sincerely, it is important to understand what the objections are. >> they ascribe to nationalism, sort of the nationalism of the, or somebody else. that is ethnic, racial

nationalism. i'm not talking about ethnic nationalism come on talking a national identity that actually is completely relevant to your ethnicity. in fact, you don't even have to be born here, you come here legally, you can be a u.s. citizen. one of the great things about america. some of the people who love america the most are the people who are americans by choice beer they know what life is like another country there there is another school of thought that no, we are citizens of the international community. and we have obligations to the rest of the world. which, i would agree, within the confines of our national interests. in fact, i've always argued that the best thing for the world is a strong and prosperous america, because our values infuse our decision-making. and so much of what we do. so there are people -- i think that is what macron is arguing. that france's obligation come under him, anyways, not just to the french people, but to to te amorphous international community. which i'm not against, i defend the national organization, so long as they are in the national interest of the united states. >> tucker: because that is the country represent. >> yeah. i swore my allegiance, the oath,

i swore an oath to the constitution of the united states. i work for the american people. and i believe i can do so while still being strong allies of japan, strong allies of great britain, strong allies of countries all around the world. especially when our interests intersect. >> tucker: i think this is a vital conversation, and i'm glad we're having this. i'm glad you articulate it so quick, clearly paired thank you, senator. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: there is a battle over free speech going on in washington right now. good. we are for free speech. the question is, are the people who work claiming they are defending free speech actually defenders of speech? whatever that means. we will investigate the assault on free speech after the break. ♪ (burke) at farmers, we've seen almost everything,

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>> tucker: in the past couple of days, you have heard a lot of pumping and puffing about free speech and freedom of the press, and how those freedoms are part number currently imperiled by the white house. to be clear, we are for free speech. unfettered, absolute free speech. the kind of speech guaranteed by the first amendment and ratified consistent me by the supreme court. we defended that kind of free speech almost every night here for the last two years paired many others, mostly on the left, have attacked speech. so we know who is it for free speech and who is against it, and we cannot help but notice that some of free speech's greatest enemies are now posing as i takes cnn, for example. it was a cnn that almost

single-handedly led the campaign to have a broadcaster alex jones banned from the internet, bases that they didn't like what he had to say. ultimately, cnn succeeded in doing that. every major tech platform band alex jones and his platform, info wars. you don't have to see that as a terrifying loss for free speech, because it was exactly that. but cnn was not done trying to silence its critics. last year, they threatened a reddit user for creating an anti-cnn mima. cnn is claiming to defend free speech, only when it is their speech. you will notice, by the way, cnn did not object when the government threatened to imprison employees of the cable channel rt if they didn't register as foreign agents. it is owned by a formant government, so is the bbc. until last year, much of "the new york times" was owned by a foreign national. this is true of other organization, none of which has

ever registered as a foreign agent. but because rt is owned by russia, which the left believes that donald trump elected, it is fine with cnn if they are bullied and silenced. so, call cnn what you will, but don't pretend they are defenders of the first amendment. they are not. victor davis hanson is a close watch her of all of this, he joins us tonight. i just want to be clear, we are always for free speech. especially speech that is offensive, even by obnoxious white house correspondents. but to see a channel that has lobbied against the right of others to say what they think is true, to all of a sudden emerge as a defender of the first amendment is nauseating. >> i think when people saw -- anything in the past that jim acosta had said negatively that got him kicked out? the answer was no. anybody at msnbc that got kicked out, the answer is no purity to other cnn reporters get kicked out? no, they have passes. it was a particular type of behavior. if you are arguing the case before the supreme court, you

can't go in there and take pictures or interrupt the justices, they will kick you out, you do it another time, they will say they don't want you pleating a case before the supreme court there jim acosta can't go in there barefooted and say i want to express myself. there are certain protocols and norms of behavior, and he has violated them. that is one issue. it is not the service -- tucker, they monitored reporters and james rosen -- nobody filed a suit on behalf of james rosen from cnn, my god, we only learned in 2013 that three years ago the man was being surveilled by the attorney general. this is a violation of press freedom. we didn't hear that. >> tucker: hearing cnn say anything about the voices being silenced now online, by the big tech companies. can you, as a philosophical matter, support free speech in some cases but not others? >> i don't think you can. we get to another -- we want to talk about ethics and the protocols of the white house.

cnn, 93 percent of their coverage, according to sean steen, his bias. and trump had no problem with that. he has no problem with kathy griffin holding a facsimile of his head, no problem when anderson cooper uses obscenity or he said he is a piece of cra crap, panelist is saying he is a russian asset or agent, or invoke the holocaust for comparison. or people say that he has radicalized more people than isis, remember that, and they have the stories that they keep running, anthony scaramucci involved with the russian hedge fund, that is before knew in advance of the russian meeting that donald trump jr. had access to the wikileaks. i remember when cnn was just explaining to us, as a matter of fact, that james comey, as a matter of honor hours, was goio swear that donald trump had mischaracterized the private meeting about whether they were

subject -- it was all false. >> tucker: cnn has argued that others should lose their voice, be silenced, because they are "conspiracy theorist," but conspiracy theories that they have propagated on their air. >> they are also arguing that there type of behavior should not be subject to pride to know my public scrutiny. the only protocol, manners, politeness, and that is what trump's argument. it is not the content, not the prejudice, not the unprofessionalism, it is this particular time, he went over the edge, and you disrupted, you were rude, he took over an optional press conference. nothing in the constitution says he has to have a press conference. i can a member president megan saying "i can't hear you," when some rounds into donald trump, he runs ove only hypocritical, t it is a journalistic organization, violated the ethos of reporting in general, calling the kettle black and saying you can't do this against white house protocol. >> tucker: it is a shame to

see a buffoon elevated to martyr status. now that cnn is on the side of free speech, i'm sure they will be advocating for all people appear to they could have sued in 2013 on behalf of fox. >> tucker: victor davis hanson, a man with a long memory. we appreciate it. thank you. there used to be dozens of pro-second amendment democrats in congress. there aren't anymore coming out at the party is increasingly calling for disarming the public. do the public want that? that is next. ♪

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meanwhile, he knew paul max as their top issue after single-payer health care is repealing the second amendment in order to ban guns. a lawyer, former advisor to hillary clinton, joins us tonight. richard, thanks for coming on. is this really the time, as the country is becoming more chaotic, to disarm the population? >> i can't speak for these people responding to the poll, i can tell you what nancy pelosi" democrats are talking about, which is background checks. which 90% plus of lisa public supports, which had 54 votes in the senate when it was putting a bill to require -- >> tucker: we've said this a million times, democrats pulled in a legitimate poll, their number two issue is repealing the second amendment, practically disarming the population, there are going to be calls for that. voters want their representatives to call for it. is this the time, and should it make the rest of us nervous, america getting crazier,

obviously, to disarm all people? >> i don't buy the notion that that was a legit poll, a quarter of democrats think repealing the second amendment -- what i think, democrats are staying, what justice scalia said in the famous heller decision. the one case that much of the supreme court, where he said, a person has a right to a handgun to protect their home, period, and legitimate regulation in terms of guns and places that they can't be taken, schools come places, conditions on their sale -- >> tucker: we have all of those laws already. >> talk about repealing that -- >> tucker: not stop lying, just for a second. you are not going to stop mass shootings, really, unless you take all of the guns away, that is the truth, and everybody knows that, honestly. so that is kind of the goal, and everyone really knows that, and i'm just wondering, what is the argument here? if you are arguing simultaneously that the police are racist and can't be trusted, which beto and other candidates

have argued, and population can't be trusted to defend itself and can't have firearms, what are you really saying? >> i think what democrats are saying -- and frankly, it republicans wish they had been saying it, because the ones backed by the nra, they lost to democrats saying "we want back on check laws" and so forth. what they are saying, is things have gotten out of whack. the united states is unique in the world, it is not a mental health problem, their mental health problems anywhere else in the world, but we have this horrible gun problem here. >> tucker: we don't, because most americans are not a threat to anybody. this is what makes me nervous, a small percentage of people commit the overwhelming majority of shootings. but we are not thinking clearly about how to disarm them. all of these laws apply to me. i know pose no threat to anyone. so why not leave me and normal people out of it, who pose no conceivable threat, and focus on the potential threats. no one ever is up for doing that. we all have to be disarmed. why? >> no one is talking about disarming anybody.

elected officials are saying, we should have background checks so lunatics don't have the access to guns. >> tucker: the most recent shooting -- many of these shootings -- have been paid by people who had back on check spared the latest shooter, obviously, you just on california come with three back on track. the truth is, it is not just back on checks come with nobody really opposes. it is limiting the kind of firearms you can buy, limiting the size of the magazines you can use, limiting the kind of ammunition you can use and purchase. these are laws, restrictions, that affect normal people who should be able to defend themselves. why is that? >> when you say nobody really opposes -- when you have republican leaders to affirm the fact -- >> tucker: lets be serious. background checks, i buy on, so i know, they are in place. you go through it when you buy a gun. why would a magazine restriction, and ammo restriction, or an assault rifle restriction, apply to me? why am i not trusted to buy any

kind of gone i want? i'm confused, honestly? >> the analogy i would use, basically making cars at saver. they used to be a lot more italians on the road, and with things like seat belts, airbags, and other things. vehicles that could basically crush without crushing the passenger. and background checks is the first way to go. >> tucker: ny -- sincere question -- the assault rifle ban, a gun that looks scary should be banned, okay, that is the position, and a lot of candidates say they should be confiscated. why should my right to buy that gun be infringed? no, it is though. why shouldn't i be able to buy that gun? i'm an american citizen, i don't pose a threat to anybody. why can't i have not gone? >> i think the concern is people get their hands on assault weapons who commit these crimes -- if you want to use your assault weapon on a range, go to a range, keep the gun they are, and he was that they are. >> tucker: maybe i wanted in my house. >> you want an assault weapon to

defend your house? >> tucker: what you are saying is we don't trust of the population of the country. we don't think you are autonomous, we don't think you ought to be able to make these decisions for yourself. we just don't trust you. and i'm saying, why would i ever vote for someone who didn't trust me to have an ar-15 at home, honestly? >> we didn't trust people to drive without seat belts or airbags are so forth, we instituted things are going to make people safer. what we are saying -- >> tucker: you don't use a car to defend yourself. and you do use a firearm to defend yourself. no, why wouldn't you trust 330 million people in the country, hundreds of millions oo conceivable threat to anybody. so why can't we think of a law that spares them these regulations. is anyone even trying to think of that? >> of course they are. >> tucker: really, who? >> we are taking it step-by-ste step-by-step. ask any suburban mother, that is the problem, politically, these people that care -- they are going to be lost because they don't have -- >> tucker: at the left is making this country chaotic and scary, and simultaneously trying

to keep me from defending myself. >> the voters don't have to buy what you just said. >> tucker: i don't care. we will see. richard, thank you. amazon is getting billions of taxpayer dollars to expand into richest cities in americas. the democratic party is all on board, and anybody who questions it could be investigated by an incoming committee chairman. what is going on? we will get to that in just a minute. ♪ the new capital one savor card. earn 4% cash back on dining and 4% on entertainment. now when you go out, you cash in. what's in your wallet?

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♪ >> tucker: florida isn't the only state with high-stakes recount in progress. just to the north, in georgia, democrat stacey abrams has refused to concede in the governor's race. legal challenges of flying everywhere. democratic senator sherrod brown

says if abrams is not declared a winner, almost by definition, the republic is "stole" the rac race. joining us now with an update, hey, lisa. >> hillary clinton is also saying that if abrams -- it is not a fair race if stacey abrams doesn't win. somehow, the race is not fair. mind you, brian camp is up by 55,000 votes. if stacey abrams would need 18,000 for a runoff. 16,000 to 40 recount. there is only one county that has not certified the results of the election, that is a gwinnett county, 158 out of the 159 counties have certified the results of the election. she is not going to find those numbers. she is not going to be governor of georgia. yet, she refuses to concede, now have democrats like sharad brown and hillary clinton making up excuses and saying that if somehow there is voter suppression, or something is awry, if stacey abrams does not

win the selection. >> tucker: presumably, the goal is to infuriate democrats in the state of florida, sufficient that they come out to vote in 2020. they have to be thinking long term, right? >> i think stacey abrams is actually looking ahead at 2020, a possible run against senator senator purdue, i think that is why she is trying to hang in there. it is sort of ridiculous type hillary clinton be saying this, because you essentially have two losers being sore losers, with hillary clinton stacey abrams. we know hillary clinton still refuses to accept the results of the 2016 election, that voters just write that into her, didn't want her comment and a delight to her, it is russia's bold come everybody else's fault, she literally wrote a book blaming everybody else but herself for the election loss. it looks like the democrats are the sore losers, refusing to accept the results of the election. >> tucker: amazing. a subsystem for case they are making fair lisa, thank you for the update. >> thank you, tucker.

appreciated paired very >> tucker: elements of the right on the left have finally found something they can agree on, at least for the moment. opposing corporate welfare for amazon. jeff bezos getting billions in subsidized -- that is not all. part of a deal for amazon, the commonwealth of virginia is promising to form a company about any freedom of information requests it receives about amazon. the republican in the assembly, sent a letter to the governor of new york, andrew cuomo, questioning the wisdom. he joins us tonight. so, this is a little bit confusing, considering that new york city has a lot of infrastructure needs, for example. you would think that amazon, run by the richest guy in the world, would be bringing something to the table. but instead, the taxpayers of new york are paying him to come. how does this work? >> it is incredible. it is guaranteed to be a boondoggle. what we are seeing is the most

powerful, richest person in the world, going to be subsidized by regular people. we go to amazon, in some cases, destroys other companies that can compete. destroys jobs. it is one thing if that happens in the free enterprise system, but it is another thing to subsidize that. some of the very people whose jobs and businesses are going to be destroyed it to subsidize this monster, amazon. >> tucker: amazon is a monopoly. by definition, i think it is the enemy of the free market. who cut this deal for the state of new york? >> what is fascinating, governor cuomo is giving $1.7 billion -- with a b -- giving another billion dollars in new york city money. it is interesting, if this was a good deal, governor cuomo for election eight days ago, why didn't he announce it before the election? if this was a good deal, he certainly would have done it. he knows it is a bad deal. you'll liberals, and what they are doing, introducing a bizarro form of supply-side economics paid lower taxes and

business cost create jobs, but we're not going to do real supply-side economics where everyone gets a tax cut and everyone gets to compete, we are going to pick one winner and let everybody else wait while everybody else gets the rise rise. >> tucker: it is weird to see self-described liberals acting as the servants of the richest man in the world. >> it is, it is very strange. a little bit of credit, we live in a divided time in the united states, they have unified the left and the right, "the new york times" is against this, the conservative new york post editorial pages against it. the darling of the left, alexandria ocasio-cortez, a new york city liberal, is against it. upstate conservatives like me are against it. the only one who seems to be for it are amazon, formal, and defazio. >> tucker: as bad as every thing you just described is, the democratic state of virginia, run by liberals, they have agreed to warn amazon if news organizations file freedom of

information requests to learn about amazon. i don't think i've ever seen anything that corrupt. >> that reminds me of the gilded age, where some of the companies became more powerful in the united states government there that is scary stuff right there. i will give virginia one thing, they are getting the same number of promised jobs, and paying one-third of the price. we are paying over $1.5 billion for 25,000 jobs from new york state. virginia has paying half a billion, getting the same number of jobs for that was one of my questions for governor cuomo in my letter today, i would love to see the answer for that. >> tucker: what can you do about it? you are a lawmaker in the state, he is not a king, can you undo this deal? >> we have had a long string of horrible economic develop meant deals in new york state and the six years i've been in legislator, and it is very difficult to get job creation numbers. they can say, oh, we are going to this number of jobs, but when you ask them, how many of you created from what is the benchmark, where are we, one year, to your, three years and? if the file request, newspaper have to file, and it is very

difficult to get information, he is here to cut the ribbon paid when this boondoggle fails, he will be out of politics and running for something else. >> tucker: you have to wonder, too, about the location of this deal. people in new york think it is a very rich place because new york city is the financial capital of the world. but upstate new york, parts of it have a lot of poverty, real poverty. americans suffering no jobs, high drug abuse, you are very aware of it. diane, exactly right, beautiful place for great people and it is dying. but amazon did not choose to help revitalize that part of the state, they moved to the richest part of the state. what does that tell you? >> i don't want to say $25,000 or whatever it is a drop in the bucket, but new york city, the metropolis of new york city, is a drop in the bucket. if you situated this facility in the middle of central new york, you would save an entire region. he would revitalize an entire region. and save what was once a thriving part of the manufacturing. but to put it in

new york city -- here is a point. i would also like governor cuomo to answer. how do you know they weren't coming anyway? it is the median financial capital, one of the most educated, dynamic workforces. wouldn't they be coming here anyway? they're going to come to new york city. it did we just get played? another thing, the headquarters was supposed to be one second headquarters, then 22nd headquarters, one in virginia -- i would like to know, did cuomo reduce his bid when they got split in two? >> tucker: you find out the answer to that, come back and tell me, because we want to know. >> i will. >> tucker: new york should be proud to have you. the anniversary for our show, we are sentimental, we celebrate all of our anniversary. we will tell you after the breakthrough ♪ adjusts to keep you both comfortable. and now, the queen sleep number 360 c4 smart bed is only $1299. plus 24-month financing on all beds. ends sunday.

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>> that's it. the first episode of "tucker carlson tonight." what is the show going to be about? you can judge yourself. here's the basic theme of it. people in power lie, but -- the more power they have, the bigger the temptation to use it. the watchdog and all of this, it worked fine for a couple of -- that's when it worked apart. get back to basics here, hold the powerful accountable. peers pomposity, translate doublespeak, mark smugness, barbecue nonsense every night. hope you watch. >> sean: they made me make a haircut -- totally forgot ! >> tucker: people in power tend to live. that was the theme then, that's the theme. that's always true. whether the show is at 7:00, 9:00, now at 8:00, we intend to stick to those promises and tell the truth regardless. thank you, by the way, making

the show pretty successful more than we thought it would be. your loyalty has meant everything. it makes all the difference. we appreciate it. we will be back tomorrow. they show that is the sworn enemy of lying pomposity, smugness, groupthink. good night from washington. sean hannity live from new york city. >> sean: first, thank you so much for two years. you deserve all of it. we don't have this job without this great audience. >> geraldo: this is your secondr anniversary. when you get in your 23rd year, a little bit of this white stuff is going to start speaking in. >> tucker: tucker >> sean: welcome to hannity. so much breaking tonight for the first members of that migrant caravan, they have arrived in our southern border. some are actually seen scaling