a very serious. don't know what the jail time is, but these are serious charges if proven. >> sean: trace gallagher, thank you. i do believe in due process, presumption of innocence. it should take place here as well. let not your heart be troubled. the fair balance, not the destroyed trump media, larra? take it away. >> laura: fantastic show as always tonight. this is laura ingraham with the "ingraham angle" tonight. what's really going on with the ballot box in florida? tonight angle investigates the corruption and dirty dealings and tells you why the g.o.p. should unite to fight it. and lawyer to the porn stars michael avenatti and legal troubles of his own. raymond arroyo has at all in the seen and unseen. how with a fight the new democratic majority in congress? republican majority leader kevin mccarthy and whipped steve's

police are here exclusively. former independent counsel ken starr and andy mccarthy are here as well. lots of legal developments to unpack. but first, snipes and swipes. that's the focus of tonight angle. the integrity of our elections is imperiled tonight. we may be witnessing another in a series of stolen elections in florida. democrats are experts at pulling us with these at the ballot box. it's widely believed to -- they may be up to their old tricks again. ballot irregularities in palm beach and broward counties in florida are front and center. the president, of course, has been very vocal about what he believes is happening there. >> well, you take a look at the past. and all of a sudden they are finding votes? after the election they are

finding votes? >> laura: predictably, the media has come in to pooh-pooh any notion of voter fraud. >> to be very clear, and i want to make sure everybody at home understands, there is no evidence to that story. it never happened. >> laura: "the new york times" yesterday wrote, no one has offered evidence of widespread election fraud. no one? i love the weasel word widespread, neato. if 1-2 counties are engaged in voter fraud, it is widespread. it affects the results perhaps for the entire country. let's examine the facts. things are so bad in palm beach, governor rick scott, who was in a tight senate race, see would be supervisor of elections susan bucher. judge ruled that she had withheld under voted and over

voted -- he is allowed public scrutiny of the ballots. scott has vowed to fight back playing fast and loose with the voter's will. >> i will not sit idly by while unethical liberals try to steal this election from the great people of florida. >> laura: the governor has also viewed broward county election supervisor -- her own rock star these days brenda snipes. snipes is a piece of work. her predecessor literally walked out of her office in 2003 for a grave and neglect mismanagement and incompetence. practically a tradition down there in brown broward. a judge found her guilty of illegally destroying ballots during a primary election in 2016. in august, a court found her guilty of secretly opening mail in ballots, which is illegal in her state. on friday, governor scott won a lawsuit against snipes. in this election, she continued to discover new ballots.

she was found in violation of the state's public records law and has been ordered to release information to governor scott. so far? she hasn't complied with the order. >> you refused to give the scott campaign the information they wanted and had to go to court. the judge said you had to turn it over. you didn't turn it over by the deadline that was given. that is cast as a partisans fat, that you are doing that because you're a democrat. how do you respond to that? >> i was speaking with the woman today and she came in the office and she made some statement about a partisans statement, and she said i know you are a republican. i said i have been a democrat all my life. in this position, i have been very focused on party because i want to treat all of the voters in broward county the same. we don't select who we give out information to. we give information to those persons who have requested it.

i believe the public records request a in a timely matter. we attempt to do that. >> laura: and... wait a second. did she actually hear the question? this woman is unbelievable. the "miami herald" reports that an election worker found bags of uncounted early ballots in the broward county elections office. snipes also mingled rejected the provisional ballots with the accepted ones and then she proceeded to count them all in the official vote county! neato. now a recount is underway where the counters must discern the intent of the voters if there is a mark on the ballot here or there. my friends, this is a complete travesty that cannot be permitted to change the outcome of this election. it sadly is not restricted to the sunshine state. we are going to show you what democrats are trying in georgia in just moments. so what is next? i think as the kavanaugh fight demonstrated, the republicans must stand united to expose the mouse reasons and the fraud of

the left. when we do, we usually win. we cannot allow this flouting of the rules and procedures by corrupt officials or political hacks, cannot let it stand. if we allow this to go unchecke unchecked, it will undermine our democracy, and like a contagion it's going to spread across the nation. 18 years? can you believe it, since bush v gore? it's absolutely unbelievable that we are still dealing with these type of issues. it is time for the department of justice to step in and do a top to bottom investigation regarding why these issues still persist. if necessary, people are going to have to go to jail. there has to be repercussions for willful fraudulent defiance of electoral laws. if this isn't cleaned up, i'm telling you, the g.o.p. can kiss any hopes of restoring their majority, let alone a presidential victory. they can kiss it bye-bye in 2020. and that is the angle.

joining me now, richard dinapoli, former chairman of the broward county g.o.p. and recount monitor, so he's actually in the room while the votes are being tabulated in broward. also with me, -- richard, let me start with you tonight. give me some insight in what you have uncovered as you have observed what's been going on in your home state, estate we all love so much. what have you found? >> international embarrassment here in broward county. we've had brenda snipes as supervisor for 15 years now. she's faced multiple lawsuits, illegally destroyed ballots, she has not followed the law. there are so many irregularities in broward county that all confidence in her is lost as a fair arbiter in the election. myself on sunday night, and avis

employee from a rental agency at the airport contacted me to let me know that there was a provisional ballot box left in a rental car at the airport which contained unmarked ballots in it. there are a lot of problems here in broward county. no one has any confidence in brenda snipes. >> laura: a box of unmarked ballots. what can possibly go wrong with that? are the even supposed to leave the polling places? they don't like it would seem like -- that's like having a tet floating around, as a t-test floating around or something. that's obviously worse than an s.a.t. test. i want to go to you. because snipes seems to be in willful disobedience of court orders. she simply doesn't care. she's making $178,000 a year. she's got 10%-20% salary bump up

in 2016. she's making pretty good coin for screwing up another electio election. why should anyone have faith in this process here and yet all these media outlets, there is no fraud, no fraud at all? look the other way. >> laura, to your point, the florida g.o.p., we sued brenda snipes after last election because we saw a lot of the same stuff we've seen in this election. we got an order from a judge basically telling her to follow the law. nothing more than just "follow the law." supervisor snipes then went to court asking them to live that order and we had to go back to get them to put that order back in place for this election. but by her asking a judge to lift the order and all the order said was just to follow the law, that goes to show you the mind-set of a supervisor snipes. she clearly does not want to follow the law, she wants to do what she wants to do, and what she's doing is not transparent.

she's doing a lot of stuff behind the scenes outside the public eye and that's eroding the confidence in her abilities and the electoral process that you are referring to. here is the problem and this is the big problem. there are so many problems going on in broward and palm beach counties. this is where the liberal media gets it wrong. if they keep on saying if there is no evidence of voter fraud, when i am asking is show me that there is no voter fraud going on at all, because of all of these inconsistencies, if there were fraudsters that wanted to fraud in the election all they would have to do is head to broward or palm beach. >> laura: it should be the opposite. the burden should be on them to show them this is working legitimately. i want to play something for both of you. this is brenda snipes last night in a tour de force performance on cnn about the separated ballots. let's watch. >> your critics point to 22 rejected provisional ballots that were put in a batch of 200 valid ones.

>> there were 25 ballots in question, not 21. those 25 ballots had not been counted as of today. >> laura: one little problem there. her own lawyer contradicted what she said today. this guide told reporters following a saturday deadline to transmit broward's results at the canvassing board. they had included those provisional ballots and it count for the 25. he opened ballots, are they included in the numbers stand down accent in the state or not? yes, they are, pettis responded. there is no way to separate valid and invalid, correct? i will go to -- or richard. >> exactly right. the problem here is if she just did her job, which is she's supposed to report the total of 30 minutes after the polls close

at 7:00 p.m. and she did not accomplish that while other counties across the state whether large or small, miami-dade county with many more voters tabulated its results in a timely fashion. but it all comes down to broward where over 80,000 ballots came in after the deadline! and that's the core problem her here. that's why you have these allegations of fraud, did these ballots actually arrive by the deadline of 7:00 p.m.? who knows. only brenda snipes knows. >> what so concerning about what brenda snipes just said is that she either has no clue what's going on or she's blatantly lying to everyone in the clip. just think about this for a second. brenda snipes took a legal ballots and willingly mixed them with legal ballots. just think about that for a second. this is a supervisor of elections. it was such a bad job and such

incompetence that they could not tell which ones were illegal, which ones were illegal, so they were just, like, you know what, let's throw them altogether. that's one of the reasons why we need, i.e., the florida g.o.p. have been fighting so hard for transparency. unless we know what exactly what they are doing behind closed doors, will never know what they're doing. >> republicans will never clean florida again unless the stuff is cleaned up. every day i keep saying, i can't believe this is happening. but it seems to get worse on a daily basis. they want to extend the deadline to next tuesday, they want to keep extended the deadline and all these lawsuits because they think they will find the votes? trump is exactly right. >> laura, that's because they cannot win unless they litigate their way to a win. look, there's not enough votes out there. we have 41 of 67 counties report today for the machine recount. bill nelson only increased his

vote total by 49 votes. at this rate, bill nelson will pass governor rick scott in the year 2640. >> laura: this is ridiculous. i think the feds have to come in for the state is not cleaning this up. some people might not already know this, but gillum and nelson's lawyers are fighting to include noncitizens in the vote in palm beach. i guess in the recount. that's in the transcript that came out. unbelievable. >> the real trial has yet to begin. >> laura: exactly. thank you for explaining that. we'll have you back because this is going on for some time. as we just explained, incompetence runs deep in some of the florida, more democratic counties. for raising questions, republicans are told that they are engaged in "wild conspiracy theories." but some of the most prominent democrats in the country get a free pass for using completely over-the-top language about the

georgia gubernatorial race without any evidence at all. watch. >> if stacy abrams doesn't win in georgia, they stole it. it's clear. i say that publicly. it's clear. >> i think the combinatorial election is being stolen from her using what i think is insidious methods to disenfranchise certain groups of people. >> if she had a fair election, she already would have won. >> laura: no media concern about that. here now, david bossi, debbie dan bongino, former secret service agent, and are in a tv host. let's start with you. the g.o.p. is diverting the rule of law in florida by asking folks to follow actual election law, what do you call this from the democrats in georgia? >> i'm not surprise hillary clinton thinks stacy abrams is the governor. she thinks she's the president.

she legitimately thinks she won that election -- hillary clinton is still confused that the electoral college is how we elect presidents and not the popular vote. not only is this stunning, but this is what the democrats do now. this is the new m.o., laura. they lose the senate, you'll see a lot of liberal outlets, vox, every time i say that people think i'm saying box, we lose the supreme court, these are the democrats! they do not take fidelity to the rule of law seriously. one more thing, laura, we had a bad night. let's accept it. it wasn't a great night. but it wasn't a good night. do you know what happened, laura? everybody went to work the next day. they took their kids to the soccer game, nobody bashing a starbucks like antifa. get over it.

you lost. >> laura: will get over the numbers in the house later on with scalise and mccarthy. this georgia stuff is toxic. they are intimating a whole lot of negative things against brian kemp to delegitimize him before he's inaugurated as the next governor of georgia. >> they are doing to brian kemp what they did to president trump the first day. he's not a legitimate president. he did not win a rightful election. therefore, for the last two years, they do not respect him, they bash him, they try to further delegitimize him. they are going to continue to do this in georgia, they are going to try to do this to rick scott in florida. they are doing it across the country. i look at this as potentially a stress test for how they want to stress test forrn from this, 2020s so that they can between now and then figure out how to

manipulate, how to through litigation and through backdoor maneuvers win these races by stealing them in 2020. the one dan, it's not just general criticism of the proces. the reason the georgia allegations are so toxic and poisonous all across the board is because they are intimating that kemp's supporters and the machinery in georgia is basically racist. you are suppressing black vote by cleaning up voter rolls, mandated by law, by the way. but it's always rigged. always pushing the racial narrative. >> yeah, laura, it's really discussing. you are seeing this down in florida as well with gillum, the democrat nominee, he was -- but the narrative in florida now as well, there are some racial politics involved and florida wasn't ready for a black

governor -- laurel, florida voted for barack obama twice. i wish they hadn't, but they did. it's such a stupid narrative. it's really pernicious. i'm glad you're bringing this u up. laura -- serious question, is there anything worse to call anyone in the country a racist? the liberals know this. they know it's nonsense. it's really sad. they keep ripping the country going back to identity politics. >> laura: you keep thinking it's not going to go lawyer, but it all does. for all the high and mighty talk, we go low, they go high, michelle saying that on the bookstore. >> the great violence, they create distractions. if it was me, if i was ron desantis, i would be firing this woman brenda snipes in one of my first actions on the job because no one in florida, in the matter what side you are on, can have confidence -- >> laura: why did rick scott let her stand? >> that's a question for a different day. then you governor with a clean slate can make moves.

i hope he does. he needs to take very seriously what steps he needs to take to make sure laura does vote in 2020 is clean. >> laura: if the -- there should be a voting rights act undertaken by the justice department. >> may be mueller can take this over. maybe if he is really looking for something to do, and he wants to find voter suppression issues, maybe mueller -- >> laura: can you imagine what they will say when matthew whitaker comes in and totally up and lowered out, they'll really have a conspiracy! coming up, what can house republicans do with resist democrats who are determined to lob subpoenas against the president? current house majority leader kevin mccarthy and with steve scalise will explain.

>> laura: california is a prime example where even a week later, the g.o.p. is still losing races they should've won. republicans have the least representation in that state since the civil war. it's a heartbreak. two republican leaders in the house reelected today to their positions to the 160 in. house majority leader kevin mccarty and house majority whip steve scalise, whose book i love it, "one gunman, countless heroes, the fight for my life." i love the book. congressman, thank you for being here. we have to talk about the midterm results first. i want to talk to you about this

california deal because i've been talking to a couple of committee people in california and they are enraged because they felt like they were outspent in that state, outmaneuvered, and that there was no reason, at least maybe five of those seats should flip democrat. what insight can you give us? >> a couple of things happened in california. they created this top two system. it pushes out republicans. >> laura: nobody understands what that means. >> whoever gets the top two numbers goes on to the general election. our senate race, we didn't have a republican. we are now finding when we had our senate race, there was no republican. >> this is what causes the problem. we didn't have a strong governor candidate who can help carry through. we had seven seats in the congressional that republicans currently hold that hillary carried, and we had michael bloomberg come over the top of

it. $5 million. they spent 150 million more dollars than we had in this process. we came out with vice president mike pence and we raise more money than we ever had before. but when you can write a $5 million check and you focus on stephen knight, or if you go into -- look at mimi walters. she was ahead by 6,000 votes on election day when then, then provisional ballots come forware are losing -- >> laura: is there transparency in looking at these provisional ballots in california? >> do you know what's the difference, we don't have a republican governor. >> laura: antifraud. >> we are finding others. we are down analyzing all of them now. we were ahead, we lost jeff denham, behind in mimi walters. jimmy valid tail, and you look at dana robot

>> laura: we have to learn that one fast because that's a big one. congressman scalise, i want to talk about what's going on on the democrat side before what might happen going forward. you all can vote in these speakers' races. would you support nancy pelosi? >> [laughs] i think they deserve nancy pelosi as speaker, but i sure don't want to see it. i went through two and a half years of nancy pelosi as speaker when i came in not long after kevin and she was bigger and you saw what she did to the country. they rammed through obamacare with the famous, you have to pass the bill to find out what's in it. they did cap and trade -- >> laura: but there are more radical than she could be. >> you saw the left. that court jester in new york was protesting in nancy pelosi's office because she does not think nancy pelosi is liberal

enough. that's how far left of center the party has moved. if they govern that way, that's not how the campaign. all the districts they put seats from republicans and democrats, those candidates didn't say they were going to be more liberal than nancy pelosi. many of them said they are going to be pro-life, pro-gun, anti-pelosi. their very first button january will determine they keep their seats. >> laura: many saying they don't want her to run. >> they will fold because they came from the minority to the majority. they won with women votes. they are going to remove the woman speaker for a man? think of this. if they go back to the same old -- >> laura: subpoenas are going to be applying. >> the average age -- this is the same leadership they've had before. nancy, steny, hoyer .

>> laura: let's talk about what's in store versus you versus jim jordan. the president wants jordan, he tweeted out, he's interested in jim jordan going to the house judiciary to be a help for him on on the judiciary. >> the president and i almost talk every single day. he called me tonight. we just had our election. jim jordan and i come in together. we've been united more than we've ever been. he's there to make those fights. i think as we move forward, we'll do our steering committee and people can run for the ranking member slots for those lots are open. the conference will decide. >> laura: how would you do with these subpoenas. they are dealing with everything to the naming of the post office building, the emoluments laws. >> the country has shown that they do not want that kind of obstruction. president trump has worked hard to get this economy back on track. he's talked to a lot of us about

the things we wanted to do to keep the economy going. if they want to focus on turning back to economic growth, try to raise taxes, they are not going to have that happen. if they want to try to obstruct everything the president wants to do and go down the impeachment road, that again is -- those members that flipped seats from republican to democrat, the campaign said that the opposite of that. if they do, they will pay a dear price. ultimately that's one of the ways we get the majority back in two years. >> laura: a lot of concern about the caravan that was supposed to never get here, it was a month away, don't worry, it's not an emergency. a lot of the -- because they are climbing the wall. >> laura: they are climbing over the wall. >> in california, they built the wall. >> laura: part of it. >> we have to finish it. >> laura: are they passing ballots to them? but what about the lame duck? what's going to happen to the lame duck. people are worrying it's going to be a bad amnesty deal, not

going to get funding for the wall, the president needs that funding. >> on the house side, we feel very good about this. we have more than 5 billion. the billions, we've already sent. the senate has been the challenge, we are working with the president and the senate because we are still in the majority until january. the american public wants their borders secured. that's why we are moving forward. we will be coming back in after thanksgiving as well. seven of the bills to get finished and one of them happens to be dealing with this as well. i think we'll get it done. >> laura: >> we need to fully fe bill. >> laura: let's have >> laura: back in the game. you are doing great. you are an inspiration to so many people. how you dealt with hardship, you dealt with a really tough stuff over the last year. and i just want to tell you, just for me and watching you, i get teared up because you are

incredible. this book is important for people to read and understand, much better anything that mccarthy has written. that's the drive policy stuff. personal inspiration. but while you can never give up. your faith has been so important for you. >> one of the reasons i wanted to write this book is feature all the people who helped me get back in the game. they were real heroes, there were real miracles that happened. my wife and i went through, we call them the little miracles. happened on the ball field, there were true miracles from god. the heroes who risk their lives, got shot. in the book, we get into detail about the shoot-out. >> laura: stuff that was never revealed. >> all of this in the book. something that everyone can get something about. a happy ending. >> the day of the shooting, he won't remember this. but one thing, we were there

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this is a guy on broadway unrolled a trump banner. he goes to the disney park, puts it in front of the train station. because they have a policy, no flags or banners or signs that incite a crowd. he tested it again this week. he went on splash mountain, held a banner above his head as they went down the falls. you see him there for the escorted him off the property, banned him from ever returning. he said it's because of the content of the sign. the truth of the matter is they do have the standing policy. my advice? where a wear a maga hat. like michelle obama, her first stop was in chicago last night where she appeared at a glittery interview with oprah. but between the stories and generational inspirational talks were pointed critique at the president.

>> people ask if i missed the white house and, no, i don't miss the house because we to what was important in that house with us. and it is with us. family, values, friendships. the house is beautiful. it's historic. it was an honor to live there. but the people in it make it what it is. >> people make it what it is. they took that magic, they took the glamour with them when they left the white house. >> laura: i'd say so. >> it's a bad shell. then there is the meditation ongoing low. watch this. see who's going low. >> you know, you get your attitude out. you are in the white house and you have that platform and responsibility where every word matters, you are often thinking, well, at least barack and i often thought, is what we are about to say going to help, move the needle forward, or make us feel vindicated in the moment?

>> a gentle hit on trump without leaving a bruise, michelle is really good at it. and we found this montage. it's very interesting. there was a line she kept using in all these interviews to promote the book. you know. >> laura: you know. >> you know. >> you know. you know, you know, you know. you know, as you know. you know. you know. you know... you know. you know, you're writing your book. you know, barack is, you know. >> 55th time she used you know -- >> laura: it's like "a lot." >> may be she should change the name of the book from "becoming" to "well, you know." >> laura: that's a gorgeous book cover. >> we've got to move to avenatti. he has been arrested. stormy daniels' lawyer and democratic presidential aspirant

michael avenatti arrested by the al pd tonight on allegations of domestic violence. the victim's face is bruised and swollen. at the time of the arrest, avenatti said that she hit me first, this is bull -- fill-in the blank. this is something that avenatti has a lot of experience with. >> laura: here's what i'm going to say. just because he takes conclusions with no evidence, i am not going to do that. i am a former defense lawyer and i do not like the idea of convicting someone on an allegation. i do not know enough about this case. >> don't believe the victim without proving it? >> laura: i don't see anything. tmz has a thing. >> it's interesting. the man who was raised up to take kavanaugh down, trump down -- >> laura: i am still waiting for the two witnesses who say

he -- tucker had the best description of him. that having been said -- >> you do not convict people yet. >> laura: i stood with al franken. because he had that weird picture? >> you know... >> laura: 's unpopularity might have caused the g.o.p. a senate seat in arizona and jeff flake trying to further harm his party? ken starr and andy mccarthy are here to sound off next. thanks.

with the firing of the attorney general and in my viewn improper attorney general, the president now has this investigation in his sights. >> laura: outgoing senator jeff flake has perfectly summed up his career in the upper chamber. despite zero evidence of any threat to the mueller investigation, flake is now saying he lost the confirmation of highly qualified conservative judges across the land. here now to react is former whitewater independent counsel kenneth starr and fox news contributor andy mccarthy. andy, do you think this bill that flake and is newfound democratic buddies is offering is unconstitutional? explain. >> well, all of the authority in the constitution in article two,

all the executive authority is vested in the president. in our system, prosecution is an executive power. you cannot pass a constitutional bill that essentially takes away the president's executive power and the president's power to lead the executive branch and proposes it to someone else whether it's the prosecutor himself or another branch of government to oversee him. the reason people oppose this, laura, as a legal matter is that it's unconstitutional. but as a factual matter, as you suggest, this is pure grandstanding and theatrics under circumstances there is no reason to believe there is a threat to the mueller investigation. >> laura: think about any of the phenomenal young lawyers who have been waiting for confirmation. appellate courts judges, district court judges, military

court. you just want to hold them off? >> it's terrible. it really is. i agree fully with andy. there is no foreseeable threat. there just isn't. i understand that -- wait, who is this mr. whitaker guy and what did he say as a cnn commentator, but he's now an attorney general of the united states. its regular order. as you well know, lara, their processes within the justice department so he'll be consulting on these kinds of actions that can affect the investigation. he's not a solo performer. >> laura: i want to talk about what's going on with the whitaker appointment, and you have kellyanne conway's has been saying this is completely unconstitutional to nominate as acting attorney general because he has not been nominated by the senate. >> whitaker is effectively a

constitutional nobody. >> i think matthew whitaker's appointment is unconstitutional, illegal, and plain wrong. >> i do not see any legal opinion that i can take seriously that counters this. >> the office of legal counsel, they are paid to look at these kind of -- it's 30 pages long. people may disagree with it. i think it happens to be correct. this isn't whether it was wise to appoint mr. whitaker, was it wasn't lawful books make under a specific statute passed by congress to permits the president what he did. >> laura: judge napolitano was saying about this very issue and the olc's ruling on the whitaker appointments. >> i was disappointing disappoe

lawyers working for matthew whitaker going back to 1886 to decide whether or not he was lawfully appointed. i don't care what happened in 1866 because the congress changed the law in the 1960s and said whoever runs the justice department ought to be nominated by the president and confirmed by the senate because we put too much power in their hands. that kind of power can't go to a political hack. >> laura: okay, well, political hack... he was a federal u.s. attorney in iowa. your thoughts and what judge napolitano said there! >> i was disappointed to hear my friend judge napolitano suggest -- well, i was disappointed to see that he doesn't really understand how the office of legal counsel works. but, you know, what they do is things like go back to the president's that go back to the

founding of the country into the constitution. particularly, laura, when it's a constitutional claim being made. i understand judge napolitano's point that the statute is from 1998, but the statute is not what people are complaining about. it's whether this application of the statute is constitutional or not. and one of the ways that constitutional lawyers go about making the analysis is to go back to the history of the united states and see where the situation has come up again and how it's been handled. >> laura: judge, do you think that mueller is going to wrap this thing up? >> i think so. the indication is that we are moving along but there may be a couple of more indictments on the way. i think we are ready for there to be a rap. >> laura: like jerome corsi and roger stone? perjury? >> i will say this. do not light of the federal prosecutors. >> laura: guys, thank you so much. the media told you the caravan was no threat.

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>> there is no doubt that what the president was considering great strategy to bring out his base? this stupid caravan conspiracy? >> i think it's obvious and is very clear, it was a political stunt that he pulled. using our troops as political pawns for his political interests, it's wrong.

>> the president stops talking about the caravan? the election is over. this is a stunt. >> laura: we aren't stopping talking about anything. the caravan is not a stunt. it's actually already in our own backyard. the dhs officials telling us a breakaway group of a few hundred migrants from the caravan is at the border of tijuana and san diego. you can see dozens of migrants here physically scaling the border wall. it's like an olympic sport. former acting ic director tom homan joins me with reaction. we were mocked for raising this issue. thousands of people. in this case there are 4-500. they are here. >> get them out. let's go. to the president has prepared us well. additional asylum officers, they will come in under our rules. they will come in, give their interviews, they will give due process.

hopefully we detained them long enough to see a judge. a vast majority, the latest numbers i saw 91% lose their case because it's fraud, put them on a plane, send them home. we send a strong message to these caravans. >> laura: now the president, in my interview and other interviews, has talked about tenth tents. to your knowledge, are there tents to hold these people? >> we did soft structures in 2017. that's not a bad deal considering where they are supposed to be coming from. i saw a video clip earlier on fox news and i saw one of the caravans carrying a honduran flight. i never saw a group of political refugees carrying the flag of their oppressors. >> laura: that woman in pakistan, the christian woman, that woman is going to be killed in pakistan. she should be allowed to be in

the country but i want this and administration to allow her asylum. that's a clear case. >> 9 out of 10 lose their case. that's a clear example. they need to take advantage of a threshold system to come here to america. if they escape clear and present persecution, they could get asylum in mexico. >> laura: the president likes what you say on this issue. you are no nonsense, you see repercussions to unlawful behavior are gaming the system, there are repercussions, the law is uniformly enforced. you have less illegal immigration. your name has been floated as a possible replacement for nielsen should he she leave her post at dhs. >> i cannot suspect with the president is going to do. i will tell you this. i've done the job. the 20,000 men and women who worked for me? i wouldn't ask them to do do anything i haven't done. my greatest has been working for

this president and no one has done for border security, immigration enforcement, and the rule of law than president trump. thank god he's the guy sitting in the chair right now, especially in these times. >> laura: they've got to get republicans to fund that law, change the asylum laws -- >> if the republicans would've joined with this president in the beginning, we wouldn't have the caravan today. >> laura: this is what the president said today about nielsen. he said, i'm looking at things. i'll be making a decision on homeland shortly. i have not made decisions. i will be making changes on various things. but your name is in the mix. >> i support her. i know she's working really hard. i'm certainly happy my name is being mentioned. again, i salute this president. he's doing the right thing for this country. he's keeping his promises. i can tell you the morale at i.c.e. has never been higher. >> laura: i think it'll be

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>> laura: all right, it is time for the last bite. today, secretary of defense and james madison visited our southern border, and he had this inspirational message for the u.s. troops protecting america from that massive migrant caravan. >> loyalty only matters when there are 100 reasons not to be loyal. it do you know what i mean? when it is raining and you are cold, it is when you are in a

position where people are showing a lack of respect for each other elsewhere, and you and your team are holding strong, you know? nothing can shake you. nothing can shake you. >> laura: what a stud. "new york times" is saying, shouldn't be there -- he was just great. i love that moment. we thank all of our troops fighting to protect our freedom every day, wherever you are, at home, abroad, and that is all the time we have tonight. shannon bream as the fantastic "fox news @ night" team take it from here. >> shannon: we thank their families, they serve right along. >> laura: absolutely. >> shannon: we begin with a fox news alert. a win for the president as the justice department says it is purposely legal or trumpet to a point matthew whitaker without senate confirmation. we are just hours away from florida's dea f