>> you are going to be taking your kids? >> yeah, they are at a good age now. it was fun having you. >> big interview on wednesday. chris sits down for an interview on sunday. you don't want to miss it. >> we will all be watching that. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> a hand recount and the high stakes vote underway. determining that republican incumbent bill scott is leading by fewer than they a13,000 vote. i'm melissa francis. joining us on the couch today,

former utah governor. sorry. [laughter] jason chaffetz and he's on "outnumbered." you would have been a great governor. all right. let's get to it. florida secretary of state ordering the manual recount due to the race between scott and nelson. the manual recount is not going to be required but all eyes are on the democratic stronghold of broward county. the county missed yesterday's 2:00 p.m. deadline. hmm. now accusing linda of

intentionally missing the deadline. here's snipes stating why they were not reported on time. >> when i came out and made a statement, the results were being uploaded as i came out to speak to you. we were told that our completion was 3:02 p.m. and it should have been 3 o'clock on the button. >> things are always interesting in florida. >> no shortage of drama melissa. the hand count separation of 31,000 ballots and they separated them in four bins. the green one, the green one went to the canvassing board

under review. if you look inside that room right now, they are doing the review, but there is only 447. you heard that right. 447 out of 31,000 that are being reviewed between nelson and scott. if they all went to nelson, would it change things? it would be a drop in the bucket to add to senator nelson's lead. the attorneys are looking at what they can gain at the end of the day. we are going to find out this afternoon when we expect the total recount where exactly we stand and where the race is here in broward. of course, the race stays wide and we have a chance to change that. brenda snipes is under

tremendous fire. we spoke with rhonda mcdaniel that says that it is time for her go. >> there has been so many egregious acts out of broward county. we have tons of attorneys here to make sure that count goes properly. >> and scott is not falling under that percent point and we expect that he's going to be certified as the next governor of florida next week. >> no rest for you. thank you. bring it out to the couch. the two minute miss there and if it were a movie, you wouldn't believe it because it is too

ridiculous. >> do you believe that every time there was a mistake like this because it was going to go in the democrat's direction. it is extremely embarrassing. and now, he's going to be governor, he's going to clean this up. >> you think? >> absolutely. >> that's where all of the criticism comes in and people are criticizing rick scott, why didn't you do something about this? >> the ballot itself is questionable. i have to tell you that i think that santos is going to clean it up. >> since 2000, there are various consid considerations of which side gets it worse in florida. they have to clean it up. we can't afford this generally

or in a presidential election. there are two other races that are going on that are being decided by a recount and 800 votes deciding a state legislature race, as well. i think that it is embarrassing with the two minute deadline thing. i heard we are 15 minutes early and then the next hour, oh no, none of these votes counted. someone on nelson's team must have known that was a possibility. we really need this to be over. if you have lost, concede and let's get on with this hand recount and move forward. we have two governors in georgia now. >> 5,000 votes. that one is over. >> what kills me about these things and every time they have a total number of ballots and

the changing numbers do not inspire confidence. >> and not telling you the number of votes that have been cast to missing the deadline, which by the way, is against florida law. there are deadlines in place that legally have an obligation to meet. and to miss it by two minutes. how ridiculous is that? and you have one job. report to the secretary of st e state's office and you should do yourself a favor and make sure that you know how to use the website before it is time. >> if you look at hills boar roe and broward, as well. you have to scratch your head here. and we look at someone like brenda snipes and she has

already been in violation of florida law. this is someone for 15 years who has mistake after mistake. the first order of business is to fire brenda snipes and the county election board, as well. you have a county judge that says that florida is the laughing stock of the world right now after mistake after mistake. >> there is a lot of interest in florida and everybody is going to the polls and it is always close there and they kind of come up with all of these different reasons why it might happen naturally. are these counties really crowded? >> they are crowded, but also seem to be corrupt.

you have counties in florida that are on the -- they should be prosecuted. why is nobody ever prosecuted? you are violating the law. she goes out and tells the press the information ahead of time and less than an hour later, she misses the deadline. >> there is no evidence after president trump accused them of voter fraud. she is also dealing with issues with the postal service, which is clearly not her fault. she is not in change of the mail. >> do you think that brenda snipes is doing a good job? >> no. i don't want it to get too heated here.

it is out-of-control. there could be malfeasance and afterwards, after everyone calms down, who is the best to go in and settle what really happened? >> a bipartisan person. >> a party? >> there is arguments that the private sector gets involved that the machines are operating properly. we have had misss power cords. >> the question about if broward county is more crowded than the other counties. the others were able to count them and get them in on time.

it would look pretty bad going into a senate race and removing the governor and if you did it within the last two weeks, it would have been cries of corruption. >> i don't think there needs be any sort of commission to look at brenda snipes. >> go ahead congressman, how do we figure out what happened here in a non-partisan way to make sure that it never happens again. >> they have to give the results within a minute of the polls closing. that's a simple task. and literally finding a box of ballots in a rental car at the

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representative. he said that the democratic could be called the bureaucratic party. he said that it was intended as a joke. yesterday, kamala harris asking if he saw any connection between the kkk and ice? >> are you aware of the power and the discretion of ice is being used to enforce the law and do you see any parallels? >> i do not see any parallels. >> i'm talking about perception. >> i don't see a pair hell between what is constitutionally mandated as far as the law and it is not in the same category

as the kkk. is that what you are asking me? >> why would she say something like that? >> she would say something like that as she made clear by repeatedly saying, "perception". i don't support that line of questioning and obviously, it makes tons of headlines and you don't want to compare our law enforcement to the kkk in any shape or form. the level of fear and pair now ya in the immigrant community. >> yeah, they are breaking the law. katie? >> look, i mean, this idea that ice is supposed to be this nice organization against people who have deliberately come into this

country illegally. many of them criminals. >> many of them? >> yes. many of them. it is ridiculous. if that's the perception and the people that i know, they appreciate border agents and ice. and by the way, does kamala harris know that half of border patrol is hispanic and many of them are born in mexico and went through the legal process of becoming americans and now, spending their entire life of protecting america. their job is not to act like the kkk, their job is to get rid of illegal people who commit crimes in america. for kamala harris to compare them to the kkk is absolutely a

smear and disgusting and they deserve an apology from her. >> she can't hide behind the cuteness of words. it is completely outrageous and inappropriate to compare law enforcement to a group that murders people based on race and completely breaks the law obviously. saying that's the perception, she is perpetuating that. she is saying it on television and pushing it out further and pushing it on him like it is appropriate they have this perception. she is making the problem worse. >> let's get to the issue where a lot of immigration officials are facing at the border. we have seen an influx of people coming into the united states seeking asylum. it is the most that we have seen

on record. what is driving that? why are we seeing such an influx right now? >> it is a push taking advantage of the laws in this country. there was a bill that i pushed to change the way of fear. you hear these people say i want to make my life better, get a job, meet my family. none of those meet the category of creditable fear and therefore, you don't qualify for asylum in america. if you are truly in peril and your life is in danger and you are going to die, you don't drive by two or three hospitals hoping to get to the next one. you go to the next place that is safe. i'm proud of this president who has the political guts to do what is right.

on a side note, i think that ron is a terrible choice for director. i think that he's terrible. >> i have gotten to know a lot of ice agents and border patrol agents over the years. they are hard working regular people and americans and many of them come from other countries to become border patrol agents. the character assassination of ice and border patrol continues. it is completely inappropriate. >> to suggest that this was a mistake. this is not a mistake. she went out of her way. >> no one is actually disagreeing that the fact that exchange shouldn't have happened like that. when we talk past each other like this.

no, you guys are talking this and i'm taking this way. you have to acknowledge there is a segment of the population and that includes law enforcement. police officers and i'm -- >> i'm agreeing with you and saying there is a big difference and room for both things. people are afraid. >> when they double down and say that #blacklivesmatter and blue lives matter. and it is a case and argument they are making here. there was an african-american security guard and standing there and just taken down someone and cops came and he was holding the gun and he got shot and killed. the nfl protests that are for legitimate reasons and the criminal justice program is so

unfair to black and brown people. >> i want to move on. >> i don't think that you can compare the entire ice agency to the kkk. >> we agree with you. >> good. then we are not talking past each other. what senator kamala harris did was fundamentally wrong. >> i agree with you. >> come on. the race for speaker of the house getting a fresh face amid fresh drama. nancy pelosi welcomes all challengers. whether fudge could have the backing to defeat the minority house leader and if it is fuelling more division in the party. >> i consider the speaker to be a very talented speaker and remarkable speaker. i consider her to be a friend,

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. >> congresswoman nancy pelosi is meeting with the woman who is challenging pelosi to be the next speaker of the house. marcia fudge saying that she's considering a bid to go against nancy pelosi. here's fudge today on why she might run. >> there comes a time when people sometimes need to hear a different voice. i feel very strongly about the fact that a caucus as diverse as ours needs to be at the top. the american people want us to do something and want us to get something done and i want to do that.

certainly, i will work with people who don't support what we do and that we all need to work together. >> the congressional caucus is sharply divided. john lewis is making his position clear and saying that pelosi is a great leader and i support her 100%. mike manual is live on capitol hill. >> ohio congressman tim ryan, who challenged nancy pelosi two years ago. many of the newly elected members promised they were not going to vote for pelosi, that's how they got elected and they are excited about marcia fudge

running against pelosi. >> she has been a wonderful speaker, a minority leader, i just think that we need some change. we ran on change and we should have change. >> pelosi meeting for 45 minutes in the capitol and saying that we had a candid and respectful conversation. all of the negative ads running against her and hinting that the other candidates maybe antiwoman. >> she brought us to a massive victory in the house of representatives. she is strong. she is intelligent. she has the capacity, the compassion and the strength of will. she will be a great speaker. >> and the republicans, they elections were drama free and

they are content to sit back and watch the democrats battle it out. >> and you are seeing an opposition to nancy pelosi within her own democrat ranks. and not saying they wanted to resist the president and impeach the president, they ran saying they are pro-life and pro-gun against nancy pelosi. >> to make a bunch of newly elected democrats walk the plank and live up to their campaign pledge. >> is nancy pelosi going to get the votes? >> i think that she will get the votes. she wouldn't have said that she had the votes if she didn't have the votes. it is going to be interesting if marcia fudge goes ahead with

this. i saw her yesterday morning or the day before and she made a lot of interesting points about diversity and the democratic party and the people who are coming in looks a lot different than 20 or 30 years ago and all to the good. but that doesn't mean that nancy pelosi isn't good at her job. on election day, she delivered for democrats and the argument against her for being a terrible leader isn't true. >> she is a terrible leader. >> you didn't pick off john koester's seat. >> every time i'm there in congress and the week after the election, they have their leadership races and the reason that the democrats have had to

delay this is because she doesn't have the votes. this is just a prediction and i think that o' rouke is a better selection. >> you are trolling us now, jason. >> looking into the future and nancy pelosi will likely get the vote and she probably will be the speaker. the big question is if she has the magic to keep it together with this new group of freshmen senators and the gun toting democrats that just got elected. >> i was just going to say that. this is doing to be a really big problem and trying to keep the republican majority in the house and this is a challenge for nancy pelosi if she ends up being the speaker of the house

and democrats controlling the senate, as well as the white house, and they don't have a huge majority in the house. they have to keep everyone in line. around 90 people and that's a big voting block. they are going to have to yield a lot of power to get nancy pelosi to yield to the left and that's going to be a big challenge to her. >> marcia fudge saying that she is going to announce and challenge pelosi immediately after thanksgiving. these threatening wheels to challenge pelosi and give it a shot, i don't think they are going to be capable. are they negotiating and going to get something out of her? is she going to get something out of nancy pelosi? >> i'm not sure what she wants.

but marcia fudge has well earned her cred to have a conversation with nancy pelosi. we just lost a race in florida that we thought we could have won. and she said during the election, if you need to go out there and bash me, i'm cool. if you need me to fundraise with you, i will be there as well. she has shown great humility after having her name drug through the mud. >> absolute humility. >> they are going to break the very first vote on congress. it is fundamentally wrong. the only reason that nancy pelosi is there because she raises the most money. >> democrats continue their

calls for acting ag whittaker to leave. details and debate up next. .

>> despite continued calls from top democrats, attorney general matt whitaker sees no reason to rescues himself. this according to lindsay graham who met with whitaker one-on-one yesterday. >> when it comes to the mueller

investigation, i'm happy. there is a chain of order when you oversee things like this. i have ever confidence that the order is going to be followed and that mueller has the ability to do his job in a legal manner. nothing that i have seen would require him to be rescued. >> shielding mueller from any interference. here's minority leader on the senate floor. >> we should pass legislation and the lame duck to protect the special council from the investigation of the president and his wholly unqualified henchman, mr. whitaker. >> whitaker served on the campaign for iowa state

treasurer in 2014. warner is issuing this demand saying quote, there is a blatant conflict of interest here that demands rescuesal. he was the senior advisor of the trump committee that has a cast of rogue characters ". how do you feel about the whitaker confirmation? >> to pass judgment on whitaker without any evidence of anything that hes done wrong. i don't think that you can pass a piece of legislation mandating that a president hire or fire or keep someone in place. that's unconstitutional. and because he worked on a campaign back in 2014, he can't

do his job in the defendant of justice. take every person in the department of justice that has made a campaign contribution to barrack obama or hillary clinton. this is fundamentally, pat tently wrong. the president never said that he was going to get rid of mueller or anything else. all of this flailing over nothing. if the democrats don't agree with the president and how he's handling it, it is called impeachment. >> i agree. it is a witch hunt no matter which way you are overseeing it. >> along those lines and answering that point, if you go down and look at everybody's

background in every post everywhere, you are going to find some sort of bias. this is the argument that we have about all of these things. we are going to get to the point where if you want to work in government, you are going to have to lead your life like a supreme court justice. you know what i mean. and traveling down this road where you can never have expr s expressed an opinion at any point of time, we are going to run out of people who are thoughtful and engaged. it doesn't mean that you also can't look at the other array of opinions. >> don't you think that the mueller investigation is kind of a witch hunt? >> it is a witch hunt. first of all, with kavanaugh, there is not a single eyewitness. i have to say that.

i think that president trump should fire rod rosenstein. and congress said earlier, the person that has a con dmriblth of interest out of any of these people is rod rosenstein. and then, appointed a special council to look into his firing. democrats are not going to be happy with anyone that president trump picks. >> that's not required. i find it interesting that the democrats have gone from he's unqualified and now, we have the arguments that he's qualified and now, he has to rescues himself. and talking about how he's qualified and the justice department came out with a 20 page memo detailing the

president appointing someone who is not confirmed and doj giving examples back to george washington and with the democrats moving the goal post because they can't get the person they want and they are going to cry that the mueller investigation can't move forward and also yesterday, saying that whitaker is qualified and that the investigation needs to move forward. the democrats are pushing the panic button because they have gotten nothing out of the investigation that furthers their narrative and that's why they are trying to get out of whitaker's nomination. >> matt whitaker shouldn't be in that role. >> because of the senate

confirmation? >> because of the confirmation and going back to 1988. >> not everyone saying it is right. >> if the office of legal counsel has weight in here" -- >> why are you laughing? that was funny. >> we all laugh and giggle. >> the judiciary team in the senate says that he's qualified and acted since 1988. >> what we should be talking a little bit more about is that the president sooner rather than later really needs to appoint somebody to be the next attorney general. >> right. and the argument for that to be sped up and the process and get matt whitaker out of there as soon as possible. >> this is what happens when the

democratic party drags whoever president trump surrounds himself through the mud. you have rung the alarm on whatever president trump has done. at this point, i think that people are going to be over it. >> we have to pause for one second to get some breaking news out of the white house. president trump is participating in a signing ceremony for a cybersecurity and agency act. he answers a lot of other questions in here about jim acosta and china trade and senator nelson. >> no, people have to behave. and writing up the rules and regulations and he was treated very unfairly and both of you, you were treated very unfairly

because you have someone interrupting you. if they don't listen to the rules and regulations we are going to be back in court and win. unfortunately, they are going to leave and you won't be very happy because you can't get good ratings. dec decorum and you were there and you understand and we want total freedom in the press. it is more important to me than anybody would believe. you have to act with respect and you are in the white house. when i see the way that some of my people get treated at press conferences, it is terrible. we are setting up a certain standard, which is what the court is requesting. always freedom of the press and first amendment, but that's the way that it is. we always have the option of just leaving. if we feel that things aren't

being treated properly or people being treated properly, we always have the right to leave. i have instructed my people, when they are not being treated properly, you have the right to leave any time that you want. >> the response to the trade request. have you seen that response and pleased with it? >> did you say china? >> yeah. >> tell me what their response was? china wants to make a deal. as you know, jeff. china wants to make a deal. they sent a list of things they were willing to do, which was a large list and it just wasn't acceptable to me. we are doing extremely well with china and i have a great respect for their president and for

china. china has taken advantage of the united states for many, many years. ron johnson knows that more than anybody because ron johnson believes in what i'm doing. we are going to open up china and make it fair. it is not fair right now. they have tremendous tariffs on us that we didn't have on them. that's all changed now. we have put tariffs on $250 billion worth of goods and we have another billion to go if china doesn't do well. china has been down 32% and down very substantially. we have helped create china as we know it today by allowing money to be sucked out of our country by the billions. $500 billion a year in many

cases over a long period of time. and we can't allow that to happen. i think that we are going to have a great relationship with china. hopefully, we are going to make a deal. if not, we are doing just fine right now. we are talking about billions and billions of dollars a month is going to flow into our country and already started flowing into our country that comes from china. china has never been in this position and i don't want to put them in a bad position, but it is called reciprocal. we have to have reciprocal trade. we can't have trade that is meant for stupid people and that's how they took advantage of our country and they don't have that anymore. >> reporter: do you think the list goes far enough?

>> it is a protocomplete list and some of the things that we asked for and some things are left off. as you know, it is a very complete list. it is 142 items and that's a lot of items. thank you very much everybody. >> thank you. >> mr. president, on twitter yesterday, you were agitated about what you might be receiving in the mueller investigation? >> no, i'm not agitated. i'm extremely happy with our country and we are doing better with the economy and maybe the best economy that we have ever had. the best employment numbers and unemployment numbers than we ever had. there are more people working in the united states right now than have ever worked in the united states by far.

i'm extremely happy with almost all of my cabinet. changes were made because they are always made, especially, at midterms. it is all fake news. i'm happy with the way that the country is going. we are making trade deals. we just made a deal with mexico and canada and they were horrible deals before. >> reporter: are you unhappy with the mueller investigation? >> there should have never been a mueller investigation. there was no colouis and if there had been, you would have known a long time ago. they are wasting millions and millions of dollars and there should have never been an investigation. as far as me, i like to take everything personally, because you do better that way.

the witch hunt continues to take place and it shouldn't have gone on. from what i hear, it is ending and i'm sure it is going to be just fine. you know why it is going to be just fine? because there is no collusion. i campaigned very well and easily won the election in the electoral. there is a big difference. my lawyers are not working on that. i'm working on that. my lawyers don't write answers, i write answers. i was asked a series of questions. i answered them very easily. i'm sure they are tripped up because they like to catch people with questions like is it sunny or raining?

he said it was raining and he perjured himself. you have to answer carefully with people who have bad intentions. the questions were routinely answered by me. by me. >> reporter: and you submitted the answers? >> i haven't submitted them yet. i just finished them. as you know, i have been a little bit busy. we have been to europe and working on various deals. we just finished the mta and one of the great trade deals and you can see how happy our farmers are. i have been very busy and been very hard to find time. they were my answers and i don't need lawyers to do that. now, you need the lawyers to go over some of the answers, but they were not very difficult questions. thank you very much. >> okay, that was president

trump signing a cybersecurity bill. but there were a whole host of other questions. he says that he's finished the questions for the mueller probe, but they have not turned them in yet. >> it shows that we are getting to the finish line here. the most important thing to come out of the conference is china. at the end of the day, china really matters. >> china matters and i was paying attention to i answered the mueller questions and on my own. he said that he would have had counsel in the room and wrong. we were going do get indictments and some thought tuesday, but friday is usually their day. >> what do you think? >> since you covered the most

important news on china and the comments about the press briefing and the judge ruled that jim acosta's press pass needed to be reinstated immediately and the rules about decorum and the expectations about how reporters behave. i will say that the majority of the reporters don't need rules. >> i'm w07ondering if he wrote witch hunt after every single question. >> you have the right to stop in the middle and walk away. maybe the rest of the press is going to put pressure on the person that is dominating the stage and hogging up all of the time. they have a right to send who they want to send.

>> asking questions rather than grand stating and getting attention. >> happy thanksgiving. >> yes, because you are not going to be here next week. it was a wonderful day on the couch today. thanks to all of you. we are going to be back on monday. harris faulkner. president trump speaking in the oval office after signing the cybersecurity bill. more toward the moments that have unfolded in the white house with jim acosta being banned from the white house and now being let back income of the president standing strong, basically saying this, if the questions are not respectful, we have the right to walk away. the president standing firm there and standing his ground on how it will be handling the press moving forward. we are waiting for remarks from the white hou