>> what ha mark rrp you know what strikes me about you. youu were one of the first intellectuals to support donald trump.al your writings. it was gradual. why was that? >> i think all of us felt that the national ticket was playing by the marcus of queensburgy rules. remember in the '88 campaign, he took apart dukakis, the contradiction. we were losing with bob dole,

mccain, romney, even as we were doing well on the conservative side. so trump seemed to be the only one that was unconcerned about the establishment. i don't want to be vague about what a university professor said, npr, he just spoke to the people in a way that was refreshing and he sort of was psycho dramatic that this was an existential war and we had to fight back no matter what people said. and he didn't tbient new demography. he said you can win by losing california, new york and illinois. because there are 6 million to 8 million people in wisconsin, north carolina, michigan, ohio, that either didn't vote

republican or they didn't vote at all. and i can win them back with a nationalist, strong jobs. i like the deplorable message. people thought that was crazy. i thought he was eccentric and a little bit dangerous i thought. but i thought at this point we are at a point of no return and he is the anecdote. mark: you said existential threat. what did you mean by that. >> the conservative america, you and i. we look around, we have the nfl, nba, silicon valley, apple, facebook, rockefeller, the brookings institution, cable tv, not just msnbc, but the major networks as well. we have npr, pbs, we have the

progressive cultural movement. academia where i am, we are surrounded, and we think these institutions don't have as much clout as they do have and we get shocked that the message that surrounds us and we don't have a mechanism for breaking through to the american people. the message of free market capitalism, limited government and individual liberty is what they thrive for in their daily lives they sometimes vote against their interests. the circular optical, we don't get any -- you and i, conservatives, traditionals, we have safe spaces we retreat to. for them it's a 24/7 entertainment education, politics, media, and it's overwhelming.

mark: do you think the progressives needed to devour society, all the major institutions. do you think they largely success sided? -- succeeded? >> i do. if you go to stanford and give a lecture on global warming. i don't think you will be able to finish that electric sure without being interrupted. if i go to stanford and give a lecture on diverse immigration i won't be able to finish that lecture. if i touch somebody on the shoulder and someone files a lawsuit against me, i won't be given due process. the i'm talking about a refined

society. i don't think due process, free speech, the right to regress grievances exist in major areas of american life. corporate universities, foundational life. media. mark: you are saying the fundamental transformation of america gradually. is it picking up speed now? >> i think it is. i don't want to be pessimistic. i admire you and people at fox news and some in the republican party, brave voices in academia saying i'm going to speak out regardless of the consequences. the romans and greeks believed that luxury announce leads to decadence. somebody in the inner city can

hava an iphone with more computing power than six mainframes. a man from mexico in an -- in a kia ride as well as the mercedes. i don't like the lack of gratitude or the trashing of our system or our ancestors that gave us the system. maybe the universities have created an ignorant contrary view, but something has gone wrong. mark: isn't this issue about freedom generally? freedom is a tremendous thing. but peopleto have the opportuniy to destroy freedom. isn't that what the framers of

the constitution were worried about? mobocracy. so they create a republic. the president wins the electoral college, they want to get rid of the electoral college. they don't like the president winning senators in the states, so they want to get rid of the senate. twhament they o do. isn't that an attack on our foundational principles and liberty? >> i thinkth it is. i think they understand what the framers are up to. it's not a constitutional role. it's radical opinion, democracy on any given date, 51 he * of the population decides what the law is. you want to kill socrates

monday. you can do it. we went to direct election of senators and there were arguments for that. ast you say, abolishing the electoral college and packing the supreme court. enlarging the house of representatives, maybe a thousand members. why people in california say why do 250,000 get one senator and we 20 million get one. let's turn the senate into the house. they got what they wanted with thee sill rights finally. we had two equality of opportunity. then they were expecting that everybody would be equal. human nature being what it is, it willer never be that way. the conservative position is we won't be equal, but the poorest

person who will have a pretty good life if he's in a free market economy and constitutional system. they arems saying we want everybody to be equal. they would rather have everybody making $20,000 a year than the poor making $50,000 and the rich a billion. mark: equality is thrown around all the time. we know what the founders meant by equality. they meant equality of justice. they didn't mean equality of economics. that would be absurd. it's an impossibility. human beings are unique individual. human beings are created by god. but in the civil society we argue that the law is the law. everybody should be treated as best as we can equally in front of a court, in front of a law.

but this who notion of radical egalitarianism is a european import. max, hagel. which is completely all grown our founders. >>it is. aristotle who was a critic of thisti says once a man feels hes equal in one aspect, politics, he assumes he can be equal in every other aspect. plato says finally the direction leads to donkeys being able to vote. it bifurcates. and we thought we were saved from it because anglo scottish tradition was limited government and deep scepticism. they have a view that human

nature is nature. we are born into change, the church community, the family, it's the duty of government to take off those chains and let everybody be liberated and they will be happy which is around collective nightmare. we are headed to a radical egalitarian society in every aspect that transcends politics. sports, entertainment, movies. mark: advance this notion of populism. when in fact it's authoritarian. people believe they democratize some issue or program when in fact it's not democratized at all. it's decisions from on high. the intellectual elites are not really intellectual elites.

who are these intellectual elites? why are they elites? because they are elected? because they are in the civil service? i never understood why they are so elite. >> they thought they wasn't to a particular -- they are branded like cattle. they think the ivy league brand allows them certain privileges. you look at silicon valley, you have a gatekeeper. they control the expression from 7 billion people on the planet because they are morally better than we are. you turn on public tv or cable tv and you get anguish about the deplorables, the irredeemables. i think they used the term west germans. john mccain called them whacko

bird. there was a contempt for people they feel don't properly know how to use their economic clout. they buy jet skis and go snowmobiling and pollute the universe. if you had proper education, proper cvs, they can get around and say we are doing it all for you. throughout history we have seen these people.e. and they all have one thing in common. theyot are not subject to the ramifications of their own ideology. mark: when we come back i want to ask about the ramifications and your insight into the election that just occurred. what you think of the result and why you think we got the result wela did. don't forget, almost every week night you can watch me on levin tv.

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election? >> i see an historical context. 3 seats, 6 senators and was reelected. zealots and partisans, we lax on midterm, people who were defeated get reenergized, that is common, there were a couple disturbing things. the aftermath, every time there is a recount in arizona and florida or in georgia or where i am in california, 4 seats won then lost. and this is opposite of what thanapoleon said, at 11:00, i lt europe, at 3:00 i won it. i thought on election day we had lost -- >> do we ever win seats that we were losing 5 days later? i can't think. >> i think maybe 20 years ago, but now the mobilize people,

democrats are better at it than republicans, we thought we would learn. other thing in close races, we lost some good people, we have this missing 4 to 5, so-called deplorable, trump base, whatever, they were there but now there is going to be a great discussion, where do you pick up the missing 5% that would have won you some good senate seats, does it appeal to av machine african-american community, say, trump might top consider, that say -- might want to consider, that going to inner-city, i want you to have leverage over your employer, our choice of jobs, i gave you an opportunity, and the economy, i think you are going to take advantage of it. i want you to be powerful, and to latino community when we closing to border -- close that border, your community will have

ap in class, no longer by -- by -- education, and your will be in demand, your wages a will climb. but then the missing, cable liberal talk about the suburban women that are turned off, we lost them. maybe show. i don't know, stormy daniels was horse face maybe that turns them off, i don't know, there are 4%, that you don't need it all in one place. on-- 1% here or two, he is close but he will need a little bit of boost if they have a credible candidate in 2020. mark: is it part of the problem, in suburbs, the way that media frame the debate, they don frame it debate. >> no. mark: last 6 month president has been called hitler, his administration been compared to

third reich. he has been accused of creating internment camps for immigrants, that would be fdr . he has been accused of being a racist because he's to secure the border, and accused of being anti-semitic, he is the greatest president i would argue for the jewish people in israel that we've h he has a jewish daughter and son-in-law and jewish grandchildren. he has been called things i never heard a president called, iin my life, it gets worse and worse on cable tv, out of democrat party. could it be that has something impact on the 2%. >> a lot, what i said he mys extra, that is working within the system, 93% of press cover first 100 days was negative. he gets to rallies, he said look

up there fake news, i do know say he is demagoguing, i say to myself, his impressive by lines stoles that you scar scaramuccis involved in a russia hedge fund it was a lie, and don jr. knew of the meeting not true, and james comey was going to come to congress -- not true. i look at anderson cooper, i think of this remember religion editor of cnn said trump is a piece of. we have not seen that before, and clapper calling president, treasonnist or haden invoking third reich or julia geoff say he radicalized more people, that is from cnn, not kathy griffith with the decapitated head or joke about trump crashing. we don't hear about. but we have privilege if you

want to take effort to learn about it he said, look at those people, he has grounds to do that. mark: and yet, this president has been relatively passive with action, on media, john adams. locked up journalists, be a abrm lincoln order, new york news paper prinked printed a fake pt at proclamation, he ordered his generals to arrest the journalists. woodrow wilson set up an intelligence operation again the media, and obama after reporters, trump has not done that. >> he has an affect psychologically on the journalists, he conveys idea he has no respect for him, he has contempt they have violated their journallive --

journalistic ethical. you remember obama went after ap reporters and james rosen at fox, he said in a campaign trail, you should debate sean hannity, i think he said you will tear him up, if trump said, you would tear somebody up, for them, something about trump, his speech, mannerism, appear answer, is not just journalists he is an a4 affront to their -- >> could it be his existent because he fights back and calls them out by name. saying fake news that is the enemy of the people. >> i think so. sources -- we know a lot of cases it did not happen, a person writes a creative story and calls it journalism, then

they hide behind a facade, it is like a chain, in weakest link destroys it it they have not doe anything in their generation to honor the people who gave them that tradition, they are traders to that tradition, like jim acosta, he goes to the press conference with sarah sanders, his point is, how can i virtue signal to people in the room that i am morally superior, and make her stutter or paused, and tell my bosses i am part of the resitof theresistance. not to say to american people, i have to clarify, i have to find out what the president of united states wants, that is not the purpose that he is there. purpose that he is there. mark: i want to pursue ♪ applebee's bigger, bolder grill combos are back. now that's eatin good

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ends sunday. [♪] lauren: live from "america's news headquarters." i'm lauren greene. pope francis taking part in the world day of the poor. he invited underprivileged people to mass in st. peter's basilica. he sent out a special prayer to the u.s. for those impacted by the wildfires in california and cold weather in the east. the florida senate race is finally over almost two weeks after election day.

democratic incumbent bill nelson conceding to his challenger governor rick scott. a manual recount found scott to be ahead by 10,000 votes. bill nelson has represented florida on capitol hill for the last 40 years. these are supreme court litigators, i read of brief. let's go through this a little bit. cnn multiple reporters at white house with hard passes. jim acosta can make a request every day, to go in, he does not have a hard pass to come in willy-nilly. is there anything in constitution that compelling a president to hold a presidential press conference to call on

someone from cnn? >> no, there is not. jim acosta, can't take his shoes off and walk around barefooted there are protocols. i can't get on a airliner and be aware a pro obama or pro trump hat, they have right to say in this particular area, i was a professor for 35 years. if i hijacked a class the way he hijacks the press conference and summeronnized i would be called to the dean, he would say, have- mark: do you think a lawyer in supreme court, would b be able o go on. >> he would be thrown out. held in contempt. if you argue got to physical can tax with a bailiff. mark: what did you make their

argument, aggressive freedom of the press, and president does not like it. does jump acosta advance the cause. >> he does not, we give lectures be we go through this everyone that gives a leakture, teacher, public speaker there are 8 or 9 good questions, purpose of the questions, clarification, and a point made there is one or two people who pontificate, they before i ask. we say please ask the question, they want to hector you then you say someone make him ask the question. that is all it is. this is, he has dressed it up in first amendment, he is doing disservice to the colleagues around him, he is monopolizing their time, destroying the decorum of the pros conference, the irony there has been more

transparency with donald trump, you yell at him, you scream at him. a well-known journalist said to me, i don't think i can vote for him, i said why, in front of a debate, i just walked up to him and talked to him, he said there were no barriers, now substations between trump and the public, acosta got what he wanted a very transparent president. yet, he is not acting like a journalist, he knows it. this is not, just jim acost aremember, jim -- from "new york times" said this an age in which we require partnership and >> said we can't can be annuityial but we -- we can be annuityial but we can't be

neutral. >> i read the book, i am convinced he said about 60s and 'sevens, media decided then, you need to pro sen present it in a interpretive form. we see it all of the time. every survey, you just mentioned one 93% negative on trump, does not just trump, they are negative on conservative, on republicans, they bridg bring mo post rouse members on their program. >> they feel they are noble en ends. in a way that republicans and conservatives their means are mermore selfish, liberty is nota virtue it is an equality, they

feel we can violate cannons of behavior, scratch our nail on supreme court door. what would they have done had they broke in the door. all there are a number will cause, and -- all for a number e cause and therefore justified. it has been age old, throughout western civilization, i think we have social media, internet, and great wealth, this is. mark: to the left, with the second amendment, they say things like, you know, framers of second amendment, didn't know about sum -- semiautomatic weapons, this is muskets. okay. let's talk about first amendment. there was no tv, no radio, no

cable, no satellite. it is a preposterous argument but it is a argument they make in second amendment but first amendment anything goes except anything they disagree with like conservative talk radio and fox news and bloggers. they want to regulate the internet, that i want to get rid of conservative talk radio, they are not for freedom of the press are they? >> we're seeing something unique in last i think obama administration encouraged people to come out of the woodwork, we're seeing not just traditional left wing assault on second amendment they are going after fourth and fifth, and first, they don't believe in free speech, there is a new term called hate speech, something can determine what you said is either homophobic racist, protective. therefore you can't say it, that is pretty much institutionalize on campus,. we have seen with accusations

you coacyou don't have due proca lot of places, in corporations, the work place or campus. i think they feel that bill of rights, the new aclu believes that is an impediment to a progressive future. mark: every week, you can see me most week night on left vinty of -- levin tv, crtv/mark. or 844-levin-tv, we'll be right back. [speaking in italian] i just got my ancestrydna results: 74% italian. and i found out that i'm from the big toe of that sexy italian boot! calabria. it even shows the migration path from south italia all the way to exotico new jersey!

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mark: professor hanson, i want to get to immigration issue, as it relates to this election we had. i can remember second term of regan -- reagan he won massive

popular votes. california is gone. other states are gone. arizona is purpose ill. purple to blue. new mexico more blue than purple, colorado blue. colorado used to b to be ready - red, they are turning other states, looking at texas, vote out of texas are not great, we lost 3 or 4 members of congress, even abbott, he got 55% of the vote. at lower level, republicans got blown out. every major metropolitan area is blue. we don't have enough rural voters to. we are in big trouble? >> i think short-term we are because, democratic parties. all big fortunes are not in mining or farming or gas and oil, they are high-tech, silicon

valley, warren buffet. facebook people, google people, amazon people that is the fuel of this. we have imabove eriched -- imabovimpoverished. and it is a coalition between i call them suburban elite and very poor people. funny, though, mark, where i live in california, poor fresno southwest pro fresno county, pee who drive democratic party don't want to live with people they count on their vote, they feel socially, culturally, education alley whatever they are not comfortable with them that gives us hope, republican party is a worker's party, entrepreneurial middle class, we know about people of that class, they feel familiar with and they like people of different races, different classes.

it is -- republican congressman from ohio, probly will be more access inthan a bay area congressman. even though they are different politic, shut the border lit engine of asim lak assimilation. >> in 20 years we have a representcasion of italian-american experience where your name is cuomoo guliani we can't predict your -- we have to get to melting pot and junk this salad bowl. mark: this issue of asimlations is where it is different, private institutions, don't put assimilation. press 1 for english, 2 for spanish. we have affirmative action plans in government, they don't put

alimblatioassimilation. the democrat party, the way their leaders talk and govern, they don't want assimilation, that works again their ideology, and throws there out of office. >> their ideology what you are suggesting, is that on its own facts and merits conditio can't1 percent of the electorate that means bridg bridge bring in voth instance grie grievance. we saw warren fiasco, stuff like that, there are limits to identity politics. and it is contrary to whole liberal idea of martin lug are r king, all about the color of our skin, and superfitial

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mark: a problem education, academia, 95% in condirection from one direction, they have what do we do. >> it was a problem within the university, but now it is permiated into society, the demography, we getting late 20 something, graduating 6 or 8 years. they are not employeable with the social see kno science degry have a huge debt, they do don't gatmemarried, have children this ruins society.

the universities need to be honest, they are not subject to laws of used car salesmen. we can't asked the 65 first that don't go to college to subsidize those who do, we need more trade schools, we need federal government to get out of it, by guaranteeing the student, universities are jacking up tuition. the rate of tuition, cost over the rate of inflation. get back to an idea that used to be, we teach you to be inductive in the way you think, in a body of literature, science, math, philosophy so you can be informed, and what your politics are is your own business.

business. mark: is key. educational system at public school level and college and university level. i think those are great ideas, i think states, that subsidize the state run colleges and universities, particularly those with -- really need to step up, and we hear about diversity, all of the timi except with more ofa pro american principle, founding argument in colleges and universities. you have people who would like to speak at universities, who are shouted down attacked with a different view point, this is the last place of soviet union, these must be act besti academim and sphre free speech it is opp. >> they have you for 4 or 6

years they can be bias to counter act that larger bias. they are progressive as well. they it is hard, to teach latin and greek grammar or history of western culture. let versus let me tell you about myself, and what i had to put up with today, that is easy, we make it too difficult, a lot of water offing down of crippl cur, people are not educated they are not trained well, they justment to vent and rant. i think 10 year it is a we saved hundreds

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optimistically, we hope that america will be first truly multiracial society in history of the world that has worked. we won't likely ancestors, we'll be united by shared ideology, commitment to constitutional government. if you that did the not happen, and it could not happen if we demagogue the identity politics and other issues then we'll go route of 1861. what could have happened after 1968. but, something like the balkans were reidentified by superficial parents first, and loyalty to common collective investment of america. and to keep -- to make the right choice we have to remember where we came from and claim jefferson, lincoln as our own. people that died in shiloh

belong to people who came from oaxaca. mark: thank you. >> thank you. mark: see you next time on "life, liberty and levin." chris: i'm chris wallace, midway through his term in the wake of dramatic election results, president trump at a turning point. ♪ ♪ chris: this hour we will bring you exclusive interview with the president inside the white house as he shakes up his team for the next two years in his run for reelection. if you can't carry michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania, you're not going to get reelected. facing the end game and the special counsel's russia probe. if whitaker decides in any way to limit or curtail the mueller investigation, you're okay with that? who is behind the murder of jamal khashoggi?