is doing well. i think people are little skeptical, but -- >> bill: good to have you back. the >> julie: enjoy your thanks giving. the >> bill: thank you. i hope you get a drumstick. have a great day, everybody. we will see you tomorrow. >> harris: fox news alert, a group of senate democrats have fired don mike filed a lawsuit today. it challenged president trump's appointment of acting attorney general matthew whitaker. calling the move unconstitutional. the president is weighing in on that appointment, and the mueller investigation. keep watching. this is "outnumbered," and harris faulkner prayed here today, melissa francis. fox news contributor jessica tarlov, host of "kennedy" on fox business network, kennedy. and, in the center seat, lawrence jones. editor in chief of campus reform. he outnumbered. great to see you. let's rock 'n' roll. the justice department is pushing back on the lawsuit, saying the president's appointment as lawful and in

line with actions taken by past presidents. meanwhile, president trump is in an exclusive interview with our own chris wallace, saying he will not get involved with the decision making when it comes to oversight of the special counsel investigation. but he was not aware of acting ag whitaker's criticism of the probe. >> i did not know that. i did not know he took views on the mueller investigation. >> and there was no collusion? he said that you can starve the investigation -- >> there is no collusion. >> if whitaker decides in any way to limit or curtail the mueller investigation, are you okay with that? >> it's going to be up to him. i think he's very well-aware politically. i think he's astute, politically. i think he's a smart and well respected person. he's going to do what's right. >> but you won't overrule him if you decides to curtail? >> i will not get involved. all these people that say i'm going to and the investigation,

they've been saying it now for -- how long has this gone o on? >> harris: the top democrat on the intelligence committee, adam schiff, found to vowed to chale appointment. >> i think it's unconstitutional. he's clearly a principal officer and the fact that he's temporary doesn't mean it's any less subject to senate confirmation. he needs to know that if he takes any action to curb what mr. mueller does, we are going to find out about it and expose it. i would certainly call on my colleagues right now to avoid the constitutional crisis, take action now. speak out against this appointment. >> harris: the president to responding this week a tweet -- misspelling congressman schiff's' name. he was not only approved by the senate, neither was bob mueller,

who was highly convicted. meanwhile, the top democrat elijah cummings has vowed to make a final report from mueller's investigations to make it public. >> what the public has said is that they want accountability. they want transparency. they have paid for an investigation by one of our greatest public servants, mr. mueller. special counsel miller. so, i would do anything and everything in my power to have the findings presented not only to the congress but to the people of the united states. >> harris: the incoming chairman of the senate judiciary committee, lindsey graham, says he's not worried about whitaker but he would like to see a vote on a bill to protect the special counsel. >> jeff flake says not going to support judges until we get a vote on the mueller protection bill, which i wrote, by the way. some people think it's unconstitutional. i feel good about it. i think the best thing the senate could do is just bring

this bill to the floor. having said all that, i don't see any indication at all that the mueller probe is going to be interfered with by mr. whitaker or president trump. >> harris: wow, there's a lot going on there. >> lawrence: a couple things -- first of all, here's what the democrats are trying to anticipate. just allow it to happen. if you decides to fire him, then you guys can take action. >> harris: what do you do with senator graham? he agrees. he writes the legislation. >> lawrence: let's get to that. between lindsey graham and jeff flake, that's not their job to do that. they are not over the executive branch prayed for them to hold up judicial appointments, to say "let's protect bob mueller," you don't run that branch of government. if the president decides to fire him, and they believe it's because of some type of corruption, then you can impeach the guide. we don't just get to say "let me get involved with your executive branch." you could provide oversight, but your job is not to decide who is protected or not. that's the president's authority. agree with it or not. >> harris: jessica? >> jessica: i don't see with the big deal is.

there's a lot of legislation that makes people feel good, that gets passed all the time. usually it's bipartisan. what does that hurt the president or the members of congress or the senate were not interested in protecting bob mueller to just sign the thing, if there's no wearing that the president is going to be firing bob mueller? also, bobby bob mueller was cod by the senate. because it has an oddly spelled expletive in it, as well, which -- talk about decorum, it's a pretty low blow talking about a sitting congressman and using that kind of language. >> lawrence: to be clear, it is his right. >> kennedy: isn't that unbecoming of united states editor? >> jessica: on air i think it's unbecoming for it i don't think the president to be lecturing us about decorum and then going and doing some thing like that. if you want to be taken seriously, he could spell the name crackly. >> harris: i want to make it clear, i wasn't struggling over that word. [laughter] >> jessica: oui neo! >> harris: kennedy,

this is interesting to me -- i am leaving on you to try and explain it. a lot of people were in disagreement over what the exact ruling should be, here. how it pertains to the constitution. >> kennedy: as far as whitaker's appointment? >> harris: and white can be temporary. a member when we thought he was going to quit? jeff sessions? we didn't know if rod rosenstein was going to quit, and looked like they were all going to quit that week. the conversation turns to come if you makes appointments, where's the argument over it then? he's allowed to do that. then you have a set confirmation on the permanent guy. when did the script to flip the question mike >> kennedy: i don't know, man the whole thing -- it's all about each side digging in. adam schiff doesn't want because he wants to make sure there's an impeachment that comes out of it. his biggest fear is not that the federal government run smoothly and effectively and the branches keep each other in check? it's because he jockeys for a

position gives the advantage. if he does complete the investigation and launches some sort of either finding or an impeachment process is taken up by the house, that's one thing. i agree with elijah cummings. whenever this report is finished, i think it should be made public. i think all of the stuff should be made public prayed adam schiff has been so guilty of this thing's his parties benefit in order to increase his profile. devin nunes stated on the right. >> lawrence: and he wants to launch his own investigation. remember, for months now, they said "just protect bob mueller. a love investigation to go through." now you want your own investigation why? >> harris: it will be interesting to see how they feel about that in the democrat side. is this the droid they were looking for chris an end want to talk you about that part to sit with the president, they talked about the written answers from the president to bob

mueller. let's take a watch. >> i'm preparing written answers. i'm the one who does answer. yes, are they writing them out? yes. they are writing what i tell them to write. >> will he be submitted? >> at some point very soon. i completed them. >> is that your final position, that there will be no sitdown interview and nothing? written or in person, on obstruction question mike >> i would say, probably. probably. i can change my mind, but probably. i think we have wasted enough time on this witch hunt. the answer is, probably. we are finished. >> harris: melissa? >> melissa: he is so disappointed. he gets witch hunt in every single time he talks about it. that's staying on message of what you want to do. to me, i was kind of surprised to hear the sentence. i think that's the end of it. i'm surprised to hear that they are done with it, ready to turn them in. that is that. for me, the first time, i don't think i have said this yet -- because i never believe that the

probe is ever coming to an edge. but it's starting to feel like it might be in the end, which would be amazing. the whitaker thing, i don't understand why it would be so easy just to say "forget it, let's go to somebody else." it's not worth fighting over the interim. but, then you signal weakness, that you are not up for the fight. democrats are clearly going to fight over everything. they find a reason to oppose him. do you think -- do surprised him by saying "no," and finally, on the decorum thing, i'm going to vomit on the next person on either side that says "decorum." no one in politics has any decorum any longer. when you get upset, everybody's outraged and screaming everywhere. >> harris: how dare you? >> kennedy: i have friends that think that language, then they are upset with the president start something or when he finishes something, but people are so eager -- whether it's elizabeth warren or adam schiff -- do the exact same thing. tom perez and kristin --

>> harris: but it wasn't just tom perez, he was calling other people in the party -- let's just -- >> kennedy: let's use curse words! >> melissa: decorum is out the window. it's out the window. >> harris: you were one of the few people when the kavanaugh confirmation hearing was going on, when you said "before any of the other things came about, this is earlier. right after he had been nominated by the present. you said "if he's going to be somebody who we get stuck on as a country, move on." then he doubled back and said, no, it's about the fight." >> melissa: i guess this is the same thing. i barely know this guy. you can't just back down, because everything is a fight right now. it's ridiculous. >> lawrence: i think the president -- what makes him -- what makes american people like him is the fact that he is who he is. as your point, to the decorum thing. >> melissa: [laughs] >> lawrence: nobody's acting diplomatic. but the president never pretended to be diplomatic.

that's why people respected. they don't like them, but at least they know he is who he is. >> harris: he's genuine. >> jessica: can i add link to t? most of them say what you want them to hear. whether or not you like or dislike this president, he does not do that. there is something about that that i hope other politicians use going forward. that they don't anticipate what the right answer is supposed to say, supposed to be, rather. but just say what they really, really mean. a >> lawrence: because they listen to consultants. >> harris: wow. we've got to scoot, but we are coming back right after this. the florida recounts are finally over. democrat bill nelson and andrew gillum have conceded to republicans rick scott and ron desantis, respectively. top advisor to president trump says that this is testament to his influence. whether this means that the president is a favorite in florida, in 2020. we will talk about it. and, some top democrats refusing to fully endorse the results in georgia as a public and brian kemp his victory over democrat

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>> melissa: fox news alert, nearly two weeks after election day, the florida recounts are finally over. praise the lord. incumbent democrat senator bill nelson -- it was a long recount, my friend. competing yesterday to his g.o.p. opponent, governor rick scott. the recount shows scott with a 10,000 plus vote lead. this coming a day after democratic tallahassee mayor, andrew gillum, conceded the governor's race. the former republican congressman ron desantis. hours after finishing the recount from a broward county election supervisor brenda snipes submitted her letter of resignation, ending a controversial 15-year career. tonight's resignation is expected of genuine force, likely putting there is possibility of putting her plact in the hands of government elec. here's white house counsel kenny

killian, earlier >> i think over to scott and congressman desantis ran excellent campaign sprayed this president getting in here, several times in his last six or seven days, really made the difference. on also, it could encouraging them not to build a clear victory. i think people got another view, brenda snipes and her signet against. that should be the first order of business for governor to santos to look at who is running these counties and his electoral process. >> melissa: harris, you have some more news there that you were just looking at, right? >> harris: you will recall, there were actually three recounts in florida. we are learning that the republican has no conceded. what did i -- i have it here. >> melissa: i did me to put you on the spot. >> harris: this is important, that we were talking during that sound bite. it was the agricultural commissioner. that will go to a democrat.

so florida settled. >> lawrence: it settled, but i'm not sure this -- everybody is like "she is sending her resignation." they had the same problem before, as well. that person was fired by jeb bush for incompetence, as well. are we going to finally get someone in there that knows how to add and knows how not to violate the sunshine law? that's not going to count illegal votes? >> harris: do you want the job? >> lawrence: absolutely not. [laughter] i do want a servant i don't want to serve in any part of government. i don't want to curse, but they are terrible at their jobs. >> kennedy: decorum is out the door! [laughter] >> lawrence: may be a problem people are talking about, although the election isn't clean enough, that reese was still close. these are socialist candidates that believe in socialism. they do. they are getting more and more support. it was funny at first, when they couldn't win. but that was a really close

election. i think this country is going more toward -- at least the voters are. >> melissa: that's a really interesting point. i did talk to some floridians who had that same opinion, and were sort of like "wow, in terms of -- if you eat food or buy anything at a grocery store, pay rent, or anything. if you pay any of your own bills. we dodged a bullet in florida. because we could have gotten a socialist he was really going to make everything in the whole state more expensive for people who pay for themselves." not for millennials, and whoever else. >> harris: why is that happening? >> melissa: are we getting closer to that in a lot of places? you don't think so? >> jessica: they aren't socialists. like alexandria alcott sue cortez, he spoke briefly about why he's a democrat and not a socialist. using the term "socialist," which now has a such a negative connotation because people think venezuela. that's not --

that's not what -- >> melissa: raising the price of everything. >> jessica: i'm saying when people hear the word "socialist," they do think about a couple points raised in the corporate tax rate. they think people in line for food and eating dog spray that's not what is good to be happening in florida. >> melissa: but he's done such a horrible job of defying the word. >> jessica: but andrew gillum hasn't, and people should listen to him and his clinical beliefs. >> kennedy: let's take socialism out of it for second, and let's think about the state obligations. that's the problem. you could screw around with names that pretend that's the most important thing, but the bill is coming very soon. we can't afford to pay it at the federal level. if you are going to take a group of people who have sought shelter, and, really, our regular tivoli economically free fashion of florida -- then punish them with higher taxes with very little need -- yield for them, it's confounding. it's really frustrating.

it's no surprise that, even though there may be more democrat voters leaning that way in florida, still have these close races. that alternative is bad news, and it's immoral for everyone. >> harris: the big question is, why is it happening in certain areas? we saw it in arizona, where it's more of a swing state. >> lawrence: also, in texas. >> harris: meanwhile, in georgia, democrat stacey abrams admits that she did not defeat brian kemp but refuses to call his state when legitimate as governor-elect. last week, she threatened to sue the state. she stand by that claim that rapid voter suppression painted the votes. >> he is the legal victory. what you are looking for me to say is that there was no compromise of our democracy, and that there should be some political compromise in the language i use. that's not right. what's not right is saying that something was done properly when it was not. i will never deny the legal

premature that says he is in this position. i pray for his success. will i say that this election was not tainted, a disenfranchisement of thousands of voters? i will not say that. >> harris: democrats from outside georgia have been weighing in, including former attorney general eric holder, saying that democracy did not win in georgia. we saw this also with governor scott, who recused himself in florida during the recount. are we in a complicated position, where people in their jobs, overseeing elections, should maybe recuse early on even before the vote counts come in? >> lawrence: it's hard for me to say, because it's always been this way. i think we are putting too much power in these statewide secretaries of state, because it's definitely done at the county level. all they are doing is tallying up, after all the counties have submitted. it's easy to do a check at fate of the day, because they can say

"hey, there is too much due process." as far as telling the numbers. one state officer to control it. i do think it's a legitimate argument to discuss the current laws of removing people off the voter rolls. if they want to have that discussion, have that discussion pray but have it before the election, though. >> harris: let's talk about the number. oh, great, so we can get you and kennedy talk about the numbers. the differential was a little bit more than 54,000, between these two opponents. the number that democrats say was problematic for votes been counted with about 53,000 that brian kemp was somehow responsible for in terms of their legitimacy as votes. kennedy? >> kennedy: the idea of using voter i.d. laws to somehow garner favor and have a hearty probability of voters in your party -- i don't -- i question that process. you either have to have voter i.d. laws, or you don't have to have them. but you have to have some means of legitimacy in these elections, so people feel good

about the results. because a candidate didn't win doesn't mean that the contest is illegitimate. we have to be very careful when we use that linkage. it's not just about being ungracious, and about being a sore loser -- you really can't college a question something like that without proof. if stacey abrams wants to offer proof instead of saying "this system is questionable and weeds to" lawrence is absolutely right pete had a conversation beforehand. >> harris: or, keep fighting. >> kennedy: she is not entitled to the race because she feels like she deserves to be governor. that's not how elections are won or lost. >> harris: she conceded, she moved on, but she won't let anybody move on because she's focused on this one thing. do you keep fighting before you can see? that's also the question. >> jessica: i think she fought as long she could. it's been legally certified that he won by 53 and have thousand votes or whatever it is. i think she's bringing up legitimate issues where their institutions all over the country being founded, like the one that eric holder runs about

voter suppression. in georgia there were 214 polling places that were shut down. mostly black and brown neighborhoods. 53,000 voter registrations on hold, 70% of those for african-american voters. you had lines four and five hours long. that happened in both black-and-white neighborhoods. you had missing power cords. these things shouldn't be happening. >> harris: so you play and all that on brian kemp? i'm trying to understand, where did she go with all of that? >> jessica: she said she's going to take a nap and think about running for another offic office. >> a federal lawsuit. >> jessica: that's not something that only makes her sore loser. i think comparisons -- >> harris: nobody is calling about. >> jessica: martha mcsally conceded, there was no question about how the voting went down in arizona. this is a very different thing. >> harris: let me there was one vote between the person who one of the person who lost, and you didn't see anything

beyond someone losing and somebody winning. i know every state is different, but the tone can be consistent. >> lawrence: go to your county officials. stop making this a statewide issue. you can easily get new county commissions and there, they can -- >> jessica: use it or lose it should be removed. people should be able to vote if they haven't voted in the last ten years because it's candy that excites them. you should be losing your voter registration. >> kennedy: but it's up to the state. i don't think it should be a federal mandate, at a lot of states have same-day voter registration. >> melissa: is a mess all over the place. we've all experienced it. i've experience it. it's a total different experience to pending where you go, and that's the way it should be that's not the way it should be. >> harris: it should be more than one day. >> jessica: it certainly should. i don't know how progressive states like new york don't have early voting. >> harris: some celebrities are calling for nancy pelosi to take the gamble come january. the celebrities are in it, guys! one incoming house democrat is

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>> melissa: some democrats, like congressman elect abigail stan berger of virginia, saying that she won't support pelosi. >> i think that we -- if we are going to turn a page, bring stability back to the political discussion, we need to change the people directing that conversation. like she said, i have tremendous respect for everything that leader pelosi has done. while sitting here, in part because of the path that she is pleased for us. but i have been very clear and honest about my intentions. >> melissa: there is no civility. a congressman is one of her potential challengers. she will announce her intentions after he thinks eating. in the meantime, some new elite-elected democrats like mikey cheryl and auntie kim campaigned said they will oppose pelosi. they refuse to say how they're going to vote. jessica, people are going you keep a tally of everybody saying "i'm not going to vote for her." if they do, what happens goes to

mark >> jessica: nothing. especially if there's no one who runs against her. they are clearly hedging if they have enough people to block her win. there will be a number of republicans, not for the reason of "we just want her in our attack ads," who will step across the island vote for her because they have worked her for decades. a fierce unqualified leader she has been under want to see her brought down by 20 or so rogue democrats in this. i think the argument for her losing the speakership would have been a lot stronger if democrats hadn't done as well in the midterm elections. she really did prove her worth, they are. >> melissa: let's listen to one of the democrats that said they would oppose her. no? >> not me! >> what? what happened? >> time and again, assemblywoman

weber -- he has said numerous times that i have supported nancy pelosi. i don't support her. i put out a commercial saying i don't support nancy pelosi. >> melissa: is likely to be dicey, if she supports nancy pelosi? >> kennedy: i agree with the jessica. and forcefully come it's not anymore paid somebody says of their p.r. team he comes up with a good counter phrase like "having pounded all the evidence, i really don't want my soul crushed by --" but nobody's going to be very honest and say -- i hope she runs. i really do. you know what customer you should too. because it's much easier for the american people to get behind her because people don't like her. she's not a very likable person. the speech along those lines, the president said earlier today that she's great and she should be in charge. >> she is polarizing. >> melissa: he said "i could get her some votes," i think he said earlier. not only would she be great as the villain they can hold up in

the next election, blah, blah, blah, i also think she likes to wheel and deal like the president does. maybe they can get something done if she's there. am i crazy? >> lawrence: may be a lot of spending done. things like that. let me push back on this new progressive caucus. actually have a lot of respect for them, even though i disagree with their ideology. they actually believe -- the majority of them -- believe what they believe. what i mean, it's like the freedom caucus. were they going to learn is that it's not so much about this vot. it's about the procedure vote and what they can get done to stop and delay the stuff from going onto the floor. right now they are young and fresh and they think it's about the speakership. what they are going to learn is that it's not about that. they are going to be able to delay. i guarantee, they will be the same side of the freedom caucus on a lot of these issues. because both of them are fighting for the heart and soul of their ideologies. >> harris: so interesting. nancy pelosi is doing the one thing that she does so well right now. what is she doing, jessica?

she is vote-counting. and everybody knows, when she comes to your door and says "how are you when to vote? are you way to vote for me? remember what i did." she is personally going to whip and she does that really well. it's hard to run against that. marcia fudge has talked with the support he/she has gone, but can you count the votes? you go get votes and know that you've got them based on those conversations? that takes years to build a pretty made one of the reasons why she and the president couldt something done. it does feel a little bit disingenuous for the party of women to not support other women who might run against them. it should be for all women, all opportunities. >> kennedy: you should be able to vote on the house floor for the speaker you want another person you committed to in secret in your caucus vote. >> jessica: if someone else would run. at this point, nobody standing up there. >> melissa: most of the 2020 talk has been about possible democratic challengers. but, one trump critic says that

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♪ >> jessica: outgoing arizona center, jeff flake, with a stern message for the g.o.p. somebody must challenge president trump in the 2020 primary. the term critic says that republicans need to be reminded about what it means to be conservative, and decent. flake also saying he doesn't think he will be the person to challenge the president in the g.o.p. primary, but he did float some of the names. listen. >> i would love to see ben sasse. not speaking for him, obviously, i would love to see him run. john kasich has put some things in motion. i think it will be somebody paid their needs to be somebody.

i have been to the hip shirts a few times, it's a great place to be in the fall. not sure about the wintertime somebody needs to run. >> harris: [laughs] he doesn't even break! and the guy told like four jokes! i love jake tapper. where does he fit into the republican party? >> lawrence: nowhere. he couldn't even win his own state. so, bye-bye. >> melissa: he couldn't even win his own primary in his own state. the >> lawrence: couldn't even win it. for this notion of -- look, i have my criticism of the president print i'm a libertarian. there's a lot of stuff he does that i disagree with. we already have this fight to the primary in 2016. some of our best conservative heroes were on that stage. he filleted all of them. why would you do this again? you know who's happy about this? donald trump. there is nothing more than he enjoys than being on the campaign. if you want to fire him up for a general election, put him on the

road. >> jessica: do you think it's healthy question mike you say from the libertarian wing. there are a lot of people have disagreements with him. to see that showcased from may be that good for -- >> melissa: i don't know, i would say, what's interesting is that they don't make the interview he did with chris wallace. one of the most telling moments was when he was talk about tone, this and that, he set up a cut i would like to have a nicer tone, but you can't in this town. you can't win." and i truly believe that you cannot win with a decent tone any longer on any side. you have to be that much in everyone's face. i would love to see the nice -- that's what jeff flake is talking about. he's like "i want to be quiet." you can't win like that. those people aren't winning. you don't get the attention, no one is going to vote for you. maybe we want a fighter. as a national chief. it >> jessica: i'm not sure if we saw that play out, at least on the democrat side of the primaries. obviously, we have very different candidates.

>> melissa: welcome whether you go. and they didn't win. >> jessica: hopefully it's a more decorum-filled 2020. to think somebody will challenge them? >> kennedy: i wouldn't be surprised. but they will challenge and for all the wrong reasons. it's going to be -- there is no such thing on a national level as a john kasich republican. i said the same thing, there's no such thing as as a michael avenatti democrat. i think joe biden we have the best hope of combating the president with the sort of strength that is necessary. but if you can couple with that with "i'm a good person, but i will fight when happy." that's something that nobody has figured out with this president. they think you have to go in the gutter. i look at elizabeth warren and hillary clinton, and that's what they've done over and over again. that's what the president wants them to do. >> melissa: but joe biden wants to go fight behind the barn. your pc down mike picking this person -- >> jessica: i think what's kennedy saying -- i know my twitter feed is probably full of people that

think joe biden is bad person. overall he has a high approvals on both sides. people think he's a good moral person. >> kennedy: to get back to jeff flake, i appreciate some of the things he has written. he has turned into one of these professional victims. i really have no respect for that. whether it's nancy pelosi or a sitting u.s. senator, stop complaining about where you are and how someone else has done you wrong. because that is the going narrative in this country right now. the two we can't have a victim president. it doesn't work. >> harris: again, he comes back to the question -- what role does jeff flake play in the republican party? could he legitimately run? i understand what you're saying, maybe it's the nice guy component and he could win. but there are republicans out there who can't figure out who he is on a day-to-day basis. how do you caucus with them? >> lawrence: you will be our comedian because nobody takes them seriously. i find it hard to take an even more seriously, him being this

victim servant of heroes when he has this vote. wait a minute, wait a minute. >> harris: it's the getting there -- >> lawrence: i'm saying, over his political career, he's not been the most conservative senator. for him to take this rand paul approach, or he's good to be a cruz or a marco rubio or a michael lee, sorry, dude. most of us know you are. you just don't like the president and it's personal for you. he said "hey, i couldn't have voted for the way i did. i couldn't have objected to kavanaugh during that time." so he still a politician. he's just a politician can get reelected. >> jessica: a politician forever and ever, now we move on parade the president think tomorrow we will get a full intelligence report on the murder of khashoggi. questions about whether the initiation will punish the saudi government, and what their approaches. we will debate it, next. >> a month ago you said you had

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>> kennedy: welcome back, continued fallout from the murder of journalist jamaal khashoggi in turkey. president trump on "fox news sunday," saying he had declined to listen to the recording capturing part of the killing of khashoggi. trump says he spoke with the cia director, gina haspel, on the conference at bahama didn't all months involvement. this , after "the washington post" reported the cia has determined with high confidence of the saudi conference order that killing. chris wallace come asking present trump about this. what is the crown prince, the president of the united states, directly aligned to you? >> he said he had nothing to do with the. >> do you just live with it because you need him? >> will anybody really know? but he did certainly have people who were reasonably close to him that were probably involved. peace be put on very heavy sanctions on a large group of people from so saudi arabia.

we do have a alley, now to stick with an alley that, in many ways, has been very good. >> kennedy: lindsey graham and rand paul remain skeptical and have some pretty harsh words for the conference. >> he's irrational, he's unhinged. i think he has done a lot of damage to the relationship between the united states and saudi arabia. i have no intention of working with him ever again. >> i think they will see sanctions as weakness on the part of the president. if the president wants to ask her who he should cut off the arms sale. >> kennedy: amen, at least one prominent democrat, jane harman, calling out the saudi royal family. >> said saudi arabia has an op. he doesn't have to be the crown prince. there is a huge royal family. maybe king salman could figure out that, for the moment, this man has disqualified himself. >> kennedy: i don't know how you you disqualify yourself from your birthright to the monarchy.

so, what do we do come here? the president is still skeptical about the findings and you have these republican senators who are skeptical about saudi arabia as a whole. >> lawrence: here's the deal -- i agree with rand, because he is consistent when it comes to his foreign policy. i don't agree with lindsey graham, because they want to pick and choose which type of dictators we want to deal with. i think it becomes problematic when we start deciding "i like this guy, but i don't allow the spirit i will allow people that punish gays and women, but i don't like them killing journalists." i think that's a problematic part. i think the president is being honest, because he's essentially saying "actually, i may let it go." because come on the scale things, it's not that important. he's the first honest one to say that. >> melissa: that's true. i think the damage is done, too. there has been a lot of damage

between the u.s. and saudi relationship as a result of this. we've seen a lot of things canceled. i think it leads to an overall feeling of total distrust, they are angry with the president, he's angry with them, it's not like nothing is happening as a result of this. >> kennedy: but is there enough happening question mckay may not be nothing, but is that enough to change the balance of the relationship? and send it saudi arabia, finally, a strong message? that this is not acceptable? >> melissa: know. i don't think they are of the receiving end of that message no matter what. they are like "we were running our country that we want to." >> kennedy: but they need access to our markets, don't they? >> jessica: they do. because of how brazen this was, saudi arabia has been doing terrible things to the declaration of saudi arabia. they do things, they hurt women, they punish gays, do whatever they want. it's another level to do this to an american green card holder journalist in the turkish consulate.

we haven't seen anything like that before. it is, actually, that the putin-level move. vladimir putin killed you. citizens, he does it in washington, d.c., come puts in our face in. saudi had regulated it inside. this is a new stage, whether it's brought on by him feeling emboldened because of his relationship with jared kushner or not, i'm not sure. they need to be some reaction to say, if we are going to continue being allies, you got to -- >> harris: the arms deal? >> jessica: i think you have to expire that option. we sanctions the 18 -- the 17 or 18. >> lawrence: what do we do with china, then? >> jessica: we do a lot more with china than we have been. >> lawrence: the problem is, where do we draw the line? is there a line? >> kennedy: there was always more, depending of what we get out of the relationship. is that acceptable? >> lawrence: i don't think

it's acceptable, but it's something -- >> jessica: does it matter that it's an american green herb holder? does that change the game? there been american citizens -- >> kennedy: there were a lot killed by saudis on 9/11. more outnumbered. presenting the internet! whoa! what's he doing? come on, let's check it out! nice. he's pretty good at this. hm! it's like a game! (gasps) woo-hoo! got it! which car should we get? all of 'em! ooh, yeah! that one! this one looks nice. yes, and yes. i like this game. i think we're winning!

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>> kennedy: get double workouts in before thursday. >> melissa: we are back here at noon eastern tomorrow. for now, here's harris. it ♪ >> harris: come on through with your good news on this day, we are awaiting president trump president trump and first lady melania trump to participate in the arrival of the official weight house christmas tree, it will be presented by the smith family of mountaintop fraser for from north carolina. the farm was chosen after winning a national annual christmas tree contest. those things can get competitive, did you know that? it's been a tradition since 1966. it will arrive, traditionally, as it does by horse and carriage before ultimately being put on display in the white house blue room. i want to mention, it is not always the case that the president will show up for this we