pardoned. >> bill: yep. good luck. [laughter] >> sandra: okay. it >> bill: that's about it. >> sandra: that's all you got? that's it. thank you for joining us. we will see you again tomorrow. "outnumbered." a >> bill: i hope you get a drum. >> melissa: fox news alert, the trump administration responding after a federal judge blocked new rules denying asylum immigrants to come into the united states illegally. the administration saying that they will fight this ruling. this is outnumbered, i melissa francis. here today is harris faulkner. fox news contributor, katie pavlich. fox news contributor at jessica tarlov, and joining us on the couch today, the host of "bulls and bears" on the fox business network, david as unpaid he's outnumbered, but not really. because there are some bears on wall street today! >> harris: apple is a bear today! >> david: it ain't good, it ain't pretty. >> harris: i can't count as big as you can, but -- >> david: it's a nasty day on

the street. >> melissa: they go. the trump administration pushing back of a decision at the border, home land security and the justice department releasing a statement saying "our asylum system is broken and it is being abused by tens of thousands of meritless claims every year. it is absurd that a set of groups can be found to have standing to sue to stop the entire federal government from acting so that illegal aliens can receive a government benefit to which they are not entitled." this, as that apartment of homeland security's warning for more than 500 criminals are traveling with the caravan that smashed on the oversight of this indigo border crossing. meanwhile, people waiting to apply for asylum in the u.s. also, the pentagon is reportedly beginning a drawdown of troops

along southern borders starting this week. but come of the u.s. army north, in a statement, saying that it is continually assessing the resources and there is no specific timeline on possible troops. redeployment has been determine determined. in the meantime, in the national head of border patrol council found an alarm on the security dangers and is praising the president for taking on the problem. >> when president trump says that there are bad people coming across the border, there is proof. there is hard evidence to show that that is, in fact, the case. we have to be concerned about those people trying to cross our borders illegally or trying to game the system by -- what we have seen him do is beyond what any of the president has done, and he is trying to tackle this issue that he inherited. frankly, i think we are going to get a handle on it. >> melissa: 's democrat said it was a campaign ploy that the president was all over this. now, i guess it isn't true, unless he is still campaign for the midterms. >> david: there is so much to unpack, here.

first of all, a legal case. president obama, in 2016, lost a decision in the prima court. we were one justice short and the decision stayed. whatever president does try to change immigration law, it's a very iffy thing about how they're going to respond. if there is a national emergency, the president will probably make that case. perhaps he can, that he has a right to designate the points of entry to come into this country. if a person happens to come in here illegally, it may change as application procedures as far as a silo. on the other hand, there is a law saying that no matter how you got here you are allowed to apply for asylum. it's a very iffy thing. the one thing that isn't iffy is that the situation at the border is getting dangerous. i would be supplies if they movl those troops out. they have said they will need something there is more than 10,000 people, which is the number now, begin to flood into the border region. they are going to have to tackle

that situation one way or the other. the mexicans, right now, are tackling -- there are mexicans who consider it an invasion right now. mexicans themselves are saying that. they are very unhappy. they are beginning to commit violence to get some of the people that are coming, because they are concerned, the mexicans are concerned, that there are these bad elements in the caravan. they don't want them in their town. >> harris: can i just speak to the military for a second? i don't want people to think that the military is going to be gone by thanksgiving. that's not the case. the point will be around december 15th. that means you would still have a substantial number down there. and they would never be interfacing for design with any of these people coming across the board anyway. they are going to stop the border patrol. border patrol are going go do dare their jobs. "wave your hand if you are here for asylum?" my question has to do with what the president talks about. how on the ground are we ready to received his people? are detention centers are full paid where are the tents a

question mark what is this looking like? if tens are not the answer -- and i would imagine some people in arizona are a little sensitive about those. do we have and have options? if you get time to start answer questions. katie? >> katie: i think congress has the obligation to do something about this. the president can say everything he wants about bolstering border patrol, sending more groups tr, sending them down to build the fencing and putting down the barbed wire in tijuana come as we have seen. the truth is, if you don't change the laws about asylum, and bridging raising the standn addition to having the same standard for mexican illegal immigrants as you do for central americans. right now, again, i keep saying this -- if you come into the country illegally from mexico, you can be detained and to be duly deported back. if you come from central america, especially as a family unit, you are required by american immigration law to be processed through and let go into the country.

eventually, they establish themselves here, have another baby, and deportation doesn't become an option. that's why you're seeing this continued flood of thousands of people, which is unsustainable and it is a national crisis. >> melissa: so your idea that it's congress' problem dovetails nicely with this order that the president try to follow. now, the file and the challenge to it. legal experts also think that this is probably for congress to do. listen, this is jonathan turley. >> i testified during the obama administration against the president acting unilaterally to rewrite the immigration laws. i feel the same way here. this judge is on good ground. president trump is essentially rewriting a critical part of the immigration law, unilaterally. what i find interesting is that many of these groups applauded president obama when he was doing it. i think what is clear, if anything, is the hypocrisy has no borders. [laughter] >> david: wow. >> melissa: that's a good statement. we keep having this in conversation the president goes

out and do something, and then mostly democrats scream at him "this isn't your purview to do!" and then everybody else looks back, including turley and even the president, saying "it's your job, so why don't you do it, congress? ">> katie: i think it's fair. >> melissa: why don't they do it? >> jessica: they don't do a lot of things he said they wouldn't going to do. he was there the day we were talking about it. i remember most regionally, we are both in agreement, both parties don't actually want to solve this problem in a way that anyone else can stomach. there are a number of states that rely on illegal immigrant labor. that's a very big deal, especially in the border states. running up the pacific northwest. there are lobbying groups that have their hands in this, that are all over the process. it's an extremely careless political issue to get into, nobody really wants to see any shades of gray in any of this. or any room for compromise. the issues we were talking about before, there's a difference

between changing immigration laws. and changing the asylum laws. that's why they smacked that down. as opposed to the people coming in, and they go have a baby. we have statistics from our own doj that say that 90 percent do show up for their hearings. they aren't actually just slipping in here. >> harris: the numbers all over the place. senators have said recently that, when you get a party down like a bipartisan group of people together, the problem is " summit he says "we need to come up with a number." for democrats, it's always too high. no matter what it is. you can't cap it. "these are the people we will leave out, this is a small number we will let in." it can be in the thousands. it can be -- >> david: it can be in the millions. president obama's decision that was overturned by the supreme court in 2016 involved 4 million relatives of the

dreamers. the one the people left out is always too big of a number. how do we determine who can come in, before we can change anything else? it would have to get our hands around a number? >> katie: you've got to stop the flow first. the issue now, in america, there are 22 million minimum illegal aliens in the country already. not just these caravans, but per week over the southern border with mexico. nobody seems, outside of the white house, to look at this as a national security threat, as a humanitarian issue, is something that we cannot handle in terms of our resources. there's nowhere for these people to stay. it's not an american issue. in tijuana, the people there are saying "look, we are not mean. it's not like we don't like these people because of where they are from. we don't have the resources to deal with it." until you stopped at her, throwing in the amnesty for daca, serving in the labor

issues -- that creates a bigger problem. >> melissa: the issue of asylum is the one at the forefront today. jessica, i would ask you this -- the whole principle of summative coming here to seek asylum as of the system of law has broken down in the countries that they currently live. they feel like they are in physical jeopardy, and they are frightened because it's flawless. why then, do they want to come to a country where laws make them safe? that's america. why do we want people to break the law when lawfulness is why they are coming here? that seems like -- >> jessica: it's not against the law to apply for asylum. the people who are coming from central america and countries, i don't think any of us would like to be living in honduras or guatemala at the moment. they are escaping from conditions -- >> melissa: they should bring themselves to a port of entry and say asylum. >> jessica: i don't think the majority of them -- i have heard many immigration experts. i don't work at an immigration

think tank, i'm just reading as fast as i can about this. that the majority are trying to go through that process. i understand not everybody is going to do that. people who are just hopping a fence and who are convicted felons and other countries -- >> harris: can i add this breaking news and? this is urgent. "our asylum system is broken, and as it goes down here, "it is lawful and appropriate that this discretionary benefit not be given to those who violate a lawful and tailored presidential proclamation aimed at controlling immigration in the national interest. >> katie: here's the thing -- you can apply for asylum, you are entitled to do that under the law. because the asylum cap is so high -- or, so low, the standard is so low, it is deplete with fraud. there's so much fraud in the system, that's the problem. you have tens of thousands of people claiming asylum with fraudulent claims. the majority of them do not get passed through on asylum. >> melissa: i think we all

agree that this is a problem congress is supposed to solve and they aren't doing it. any study finding a link between time spent on social media and depression and loneliness. that is depressing. the details of this research and easy fix to reverse these potentially negative effects. that's ahead. speaking of social media, facebook dealing with fallout on a different front. reports of management turmoil as the a company with recent controversies. the big steps that some are calling for a founder mark zuckerberg to take now. ♪

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chairman and encourage some stringent internal oversight. as part of that true transparency to the public and the press. facebook, whether it wants to admit it or not, is in serious crisis." peter doocy live in washington. the stocks in the lesser meds have bounced back a bit for facebook but it's been a chilly morning for them. >> every lawmaker on capitol hill has a facebook page. but now some of them are very alarmed by reports that facebook basically did opposition research on their harshest critics, and other reports that suggest that the p.r. battle may have taken precedence over fixing facebook laws so they can to be taken advantage of again of russian bad actors trying to stir the pot. there have been bipartisan calls to regulate facebook. it hasn't happened yet. that something "the new york times" is suggesting has to do with senate minority leader chuck schumer come up with a report that says schumer told topp and intel deo

back off. to pour tens of thousand dollars into his campaign. the schumer spokesperson is pushing back, saying that senator schumer has pushed more to encourage facebook to prevent fake accounts and bots used by the right wing and russians interfering with our election. schumer has worried that facebook would bow to pressure from republicans who will oppose the purging of fake accounts and bots, and has urged senator warner and the intel committee to make this a top priority in their ongoing investigation of the company. mark zuckerberg, for his part, insists they are doing their best. >> i have said many times before that we were too slow to spot russian interference, and too slow to get on top of it. we certainly stumbled along the way. but to suggest that we weren't interested in knowing the truth, or that we wanted to hide what we knew, or that we tried to prevent investigations, is simply untrue.

>> zuckerberg had testified on capitol hill about what facebook is doing to avoid being used by bad actors into in 2020 but las are not satisfied with how things are progressing. harris? >> harris: peter doocy, think you very much. we had a whole other conversation. i want to start with you, melissa. earlier on, you said "they may not be dealing with us in the best way." >> melissa: yeah. it's interesting that they act like they are a company that is all about good and connecting the world, and "we aren't here for money," and there's nothing wrong with a business being out there to make money. that's the whole point. but they always act like they had better intentions. then he read these really hard accusations about slamming their critics. also, floating negative stories about other tech companies. i think they are calling for mark zuckerberg to step down and it's interesting to know that charo dull mike he was hired as

"the adult in the room." according to these allegations, she was behind all this. no matter how you slice it, it seems like it's broken down. >> harris: they have had other issues. pressing against conservative views and the algorithms, and programming. facebook has been in the headlines for negative reasons for quite some time. although negative territory on the dow is new, and why do you say that so problematic right now? >> david: a lot of the young people that work for facebook get a lot of their compensation and stock options if the price goes down they are worthless. the only way to make money in those options is if the stock goes up. this is the first, as you mention, it's the first year in the history facebook being a public corporation that it looks like it's going to have a negative return. this is a shock. i mean, it's not shocking for most of us who have been with companies that have their ups and downs, but the people who work for facebook have known

nothing but the ops. it's a very disconcerting thing for the employees. >> harris: katie, i know you're following the story closely, too, because you got an incredible jobs market right now. it's my reading and understanding of reporting that there might be some people floating their resumes around at facebook. [laughter] >> katie: look at, i thinks this come down to facebook not be trusted by anybody at this point. not by congress, not by their employees, and they aren't trusted by conservatives. i think there are a lot of democrats with questions about their behavior. for mark zuckerberg, they are talking about trying to do the right thing and taking responsibility for what they have done. i would argue they haven't taken responsibility and they haven't been transparent about anything, whether it's the russia stuff or the way that they deal with censorship against certain groups on their website. >> harris: inherent is and what katie is saying -- and she so polite about it, too bash down mike. they have not been light-headed

about the politics. >> jessica: that's a whole other segment. >> harris: they went to the hill. >> jessica: what matters most is how bad mark zuckerberg is in the p.r. sense. they have been trotting out to do this pretty doesn't handle well. he seems personally offended that anybody would be questioning his intentions when there is direct evidence that certain things were ignored. making sheryl sandberg your fall girl is not a good look. >> melissa: let me push back on that a little bit. he is the intellectual genius that was behind the whole idea. he is the innovative. he is the entrepreneur. >> harris: there are people who don't agree with that. >> melissa: as the company matures, you have the entrepreneur who started it and then you put in the executive that is going to go and execute. they don't want to take them out of the company because, like so many other creative geniuses, you need them there. i would argue that if he is doing so bad at p.r., and they keep saying and doing all these things, he isn't getting the

support he needs from the other executives. >> david: remember apple. as a case study here, they had steve jobs, he started the company. >> but they moved him around. >> david: hold on the second. in the mid-1990s, they fired him. the company dropped like a stone and only reemerged and became what apple is today, a trillion dollar company -- or it was until this week. they only emerged as such after they brought steve jobs back. he was the one who invented the iphone and changed the whole realm of technology. if they get rid of zuckerberg -- >> jessica: i'm not suggesting getting rid of him, but there is things that fall on the creative prayed out of the key is been taking proper responsibility. >> david: adult management. >> harris: right now he might not want to look at any of this. we'll see what happens by the end of the day. rudy giuliani reportedly says that president trump's legal team will be sending written

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>> president trump's lawyer reportedly saying that they responded to social counselor robert mueller, likely to be turned over in the next couple of days. according to politico, trump's team had an informal thanksgiving deadline to finalize his responses on topics only pertaining to allegations of russian collusion. just this weekend, chris wallace asked the president if he will sit down for an interview with mueller's team. >> is that your final position, that this would be no sitdown interview, and nothing written or in person on obstruction? >> i would say, probably. probably. i can change my mind, but probably. i think we have wasted enough time on this witch hunt.

the answer is probably. we are finished. we gave it a very complete answers to a lot of questions that i shouldn't have even been asked. i think that should solve the problem. i hope it solves the problem. if it doesn't, you know -- i will be told, and we will make a decision at that time. >> in the meantime, chuck schumer is now demanding the doj inspector general investigate whether there has been any unlawful or improper communications between acting attorney general matthew whitaker and the white house. it looks like we may be rapping this thing up eventually. >> i don't care what side you were from. >> david: it could be. if the president is able to contain questions just to the period leading up to the election, and the election itself, add a couple months after -- if, in fact, mueller is involved in a witch hunt that

would go back to his business dealings before he was even running for president, that's a whole new ball game. so people suspects that's happening pizza people they say it isn't happening, they can contain him. the thing about whitaker, the acting attorney general, is whether or not he has any influence at all in controlling what mueller is investigating. if he can narrow that investigation, i think they are in the clear. >> harris: we don't know what his role is still going to be. >> david: we still don't know. >> harris: which is why, reflexively, for democrats to push to get something the president just did a few days ago, and can redo and undo with somebody in the next few days, seems a bit of an overreach. maybe they just -- let's see what he will do. with whitaker in particular, because we don't know what is going to be doing, it doesn't stop the investigation. wherever he goes in, it could end. we just don't know. >> katie: whitaker is in charge just like rod rosenstein would be, like anybody was appointed acting attorney general would be in

charge. they are concerned about comments whitaker made about the russian investigation being illegitimate. >> melissa: there is more than that, actually. there's actually more than they are alleging, because this is a particular complaint that was filed by chuck schumer. sorry? so, he talks about the idea -- chuck schumer is asking the question by the phone conversations that happen between whitaker and the white house, saying "who was on the front of the time? "in essence, from what i can gather, he turned to ask if there is a mole inside the justice department looking stuff to the present. that's a very serious accusatio accusation. >> katie: that's a huge accusation. what he's implying is that matthew whitaker is giving secret information about the special counsel, now that he's in charge, to benefit the white house. not the white house, but president trump, who is not necessarily under investigation but certainly a witness in the case. >> jessica: absolutely, and whose families involved in the

plate obviously, the president would want to know what's going on there. it will be interesting to see what comes from that. i do understand the reflexive pushback against the reflexive pushback from the democrats about matthew whitaker's appointment. i do think there is somebody who could step into this role as acting ag was not all over cable news. not calling it a witch hunt and phone interviews. our podcasts. he said there has to be someone in there. this could all be sorted out by next week, we could have somebody else. it can all be forgotten. but the choice of matthew whitaker continuing -- i think it's hard to believe that the president didn't know. he did it publicly, on cable news, which he loves. >> katie: but the outrage about whitaker's alleged conversations with the white house about the special counsel seem a little far-fetched, considering rod rosenstein, who was in charge with the special counsel, or

jeff sessions of the department of justice, went to the white house and had meetings in president trump. there's nothing to say -- >> jessica: rod rosenstein never thought that the investigation was a witch hunt. >> katie: went on to that. >> jessica: but he was never heard on cnn saying it. >> harris: we don't know what they said about it. >> katie: to >> jessica: he said that it has the utmost confidence in it, that it's going on as it should be, that is he is happy with it. >> katie: there's no question about what rod rosenstein said then there is about what matthew whitaker has said, especially considering that he's been in charge since the beginning of the probe. >> harris: let's move on. legal representative's for ivanka trump are responding to a newer new report about her personal emails working with the white house. "the washington post" is reporting according to people familiar with the white house examination of her emails. that she sent hundreds of emails last year, to white house aides,

cabinet officials, or assistance, using a personal account. reportedly, some of the correspondence violated federal rules. that governs how communication about government businesses should be handled. as spokesperson released the sae and pretty reads in part, "while transitioning in the government, until the white house provided her the same guidance they had to others who started before she did, mrs. trump sometimes used her private account. almost always for logistics and scheduling concerning her family." an anonymous democrat aide now reportedly has told the hill the house oversight committee will "want to know if if sheet compd with the law." alan dershowitz weighed in on the stations. >> ivanka trump use the emails only for scheduling purposes, there was no classified material. the emails are all preserved. it's a nonissue. it's just partisan bickering. we should not be criminalizing the use of private emails

whether by hillary clinton or by if anke trump. >> harris: alan dershowitz is actually consistent on that point. he said it was slurred clinton prayed he said it. this isn't just ivanka trump coming into the administration preaches a senior advisor inside the white house. >> david: the danger of having family members are actively involved in the white house of the president -- we saw that we didn't have the same technology then, but when robert kennedy was the attorney general for john f. kennedy, there were problems that ensued. it just -- the hypocrisy. we talked about this many times here. the hypocrisy of hillary clinton and the people from her party objecting to something that ivanka does, which in no way compares to putting top-secret material in a private server -- there were thousands and thousands of emails that hillary clinton had on her private server when she was secretary of state. some of which were top-secret

when she with them on the server. what ivanka has done pales in comparison to what hillary clinton did. >> katie: it doesn't excuse either would pay there's a massive difference between hillary clinton setting repair private email server in her house and deleting tens of thousands of emails under congressional subpoena and fbi investigation. however, it's a basic principle. if you're working in government, you use government email to do government business. whether you are hillary clinton or ivanka trump. i would be -- >> david: the government -- >> katie: i would be consistent on the other side of the argument as alan dershowitz, saying that it's both a problem. based on the rules, he should follow them and have government emails. >> harris: when he stop and now, melissa? do they need to do it investigation? appointed jessica for this. the democrats say they don't want to take anyone's word for it and do that. does that go -- be too i think they have to step

toward safe and sorry, and acknowledge the irony/hypocrisy of whether or not it was in the very early days and almost no emails, all about personal stuff, or whatever. it's still getting caught doing something similar to the thing you were yelling at somebody else about. we hate hypocrisy here at fox. it's kind of our cornerstone. it's what unites us, when people are hypocrites. we all get mad about that. from this one on the fire, too. >> harris: jessica? >> jessica: we are deafly going to have to see the emails, people are going to want to. that domain was set up in december of 2016. by her and jared. i guess, for managing the transition. i don't know how long afterwards they used it. the hypocrisy is quite obvious, her saying "i didn't know" when her father's campaign was built off of "lock her up" for email misuse. i do understand they are different, but they are also now available -- you can see come on the internet, the emails did go through the trump organization. this didn't just happen in in a microsoft domain. you see that it goes through

trump.org or whatever. that raises questions because they were supposed to be completely divested from the trump organization. it is an issue. >> the period is important, though. >> jessica: we don't know how long ago it happen. when you get an email like that, you forwarded to your government account any response from your government account. >> david: move on. >> harris: the democrats battle for leadership is ramping up. a bunch of democrats, now. i like to talk about people. i am going to reread that. several of them have had a letter opposing nancy pelosi a speaker. another group has signed a letter supporting her. meanwhile, none of her colleagues have yet to formally challenge her. what does old mean for the party as it prepares to take over the majority in the house? ♪ in-laws were coming, a little bit of water, it really- it rocked our world.

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>> melissa: eight days before the house democratic caucus votes on its leadership, minority leader nancy pelosi is facing a new challenge in her own party. 16 current and incoming house democrats have signed a letter vowing not to vote for her for speaker, saying "our majority came on the back of candidates who said they would support new leadership because voters in the heart-won district sent across the country want to see real change in washington. we promise to change the status quo, and we intend to deliver on that promise." the meantime, nine military veteran democrats are praising pelosi's record on preserving national security and supporting those who have served our country. a new cbs poll finds that democratic voters are just as divided. 49% want her back a speaker, while 40% say it's time for change. all of this as ohio congresswoman marcia fudge considers challenging pelosi. fudge says she will announce her decision after thanksgiving. jessica, what is she holding out

for a question what did she get if she doesn't oppose her? what is the wrangling behind closed doors? >> jessica: i'm sure there are some policies that she's interested in. maybe a bill or two that she wants support from nancy pelosi on. she was very clear, she could be quite a wide-ranging interview that's really interesting to read about how she feels. generally, the leadership is lacking representative diversity. after the election, when they elected a lot of women to offic office, diversity racially and ethnically. you will see more of that representation. she has some think she's looking for. it's a board that her name was not on the list of 15 democrats and want to see nancy pelosi, releasing that public it. there's got to be jockey within the cdc, because the head said that he would support marcia fudge but everything everyone y nancy pelosi. >> david: committees, committees, committees. in terms of bribing people in order to get them to vote for

her, pelosi has tremendous authority to put people like marcia fudge in a committee, a strong committee position. gore, a subcommittee position since she's just starting out. the point is, nobody knows how to use the leverage of power inside the beltway. right now, nancy pelosi -- >> melissa: anywhere. >> david: you look at what she and harry reid did when they were in charge of congress. it was just extraordinary, the way that they were able to manipulate. they bent rules so far that they learned to regret it because when republicans took over they used those bend rules to get tax cuts through, to get judges and justices there, et cetera. they banned rules as fine as they would bend before breaking the parade sometimes they did break. i think she realizes that no one can maneuver the tools of power, the leverage of power, more carefully and strongly than nancy pelosi. >> melissa: you know who else realizes that, harris, is president trump. >> harris: other democrats, too. i don't think i'll democrats don't want nancy pelosi to be

the next speaker. >> jessica: she has a lot of support. >> harris: i think you might find republicans voting for her because they have been able to do some dealmaking, like what i would think president trump would look for to do and, as well. i do think, also, having the opposition be another woman, if it were speakership. it's interesting how she counts votes. all of that manipulation that you talk about means that people are owing her something. she can go behind the scenes, she can say "remember when you are missing x amount of money and i swooped in and help to fund raise, like a boss questionnaire" it was written across her shoes. she can do all of that. marcia fudge can't do that yet. >> david: nobody can. >> harris: south carolina was another one we have heard. he can't do that yet. not the way nancy pelosi can. v5 that's how we sit a number three. it took a while to come back, then she did. you see a lot of the cdc has fallen to line after that happen. >> melissa: katie, the point is, she's not bringing up the

bench. that's been the complaint. >> katie: i don't think she ever will. she somebody who likes power. if you were to mentor others, that would threaten that power. that's why she hasn't done that. a friend of mine who works at the "washington examiner" tweeted "i love seeing all these were keys and to be scum for the queen." [laughter] i'm sure she will remember. they've made that argument. >> melissa: a new study suggests that social media can be bad for you mentally and emotionally. why researchers say you should limit your time on those sites, and are we really able to back away from the screen? we will discuss. ♪ george woke up in pain.

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>> melissa: more outnumbered and just a moment. first, let's touch base with harris and see what's coming up on "outnumbered overtime" just a few minutes from now. >> harris: all right, let's do it. former ice acting director tom homan will join me. so much news is breaking reliving charts of imported. a judge now blocking new asylum rules, the white house firing back. homeland security sing hundreds of criminals are traveling with one of the migrant caravans. the wave coming toward us. plus, rnc chair ronna mcdaniel on next week's mississippi senate runoff, where controversial comments have put

a typically red seed into play for democrats. can the g.o.p. keep the seat? if it doesn't, what then? all of that, at the top of the hour, on "outnumbered overtime." see you then. >> jessica: a new study suggest that too much time on social media may be bad for health. that's according to research from the university of pennsylvania. researchers finding people who reduce their time on sites like facebook, snapchat, and instagram saw a decrease in depression and loneliness. here's a quote from the study published in the journal of social and clinical psychology. "our findings strongly suggest that limiting social media use to approximately 30 minutes per day may lead to significant improvement in well-being." i totally buy that. 30 minutes seems like nothing. how much screen time do you have? space >> melissa: that's different, screen time and social media tempe that's different. >> jessica: is up there. raising kids, you know about the screen time issue. social media only.

how much time? >> david: what leads to depression is the big illusion of social media paid that everybody out there has thousands of friends. that's an illusion. you don't have thousands of friends. most people in their life have about ten or 20 good friends in your life. but you -- when your hopes are built on illusion, you're going to become depressed. you're going to be severely disappointed. that can lead to depression. your hopes have to be based on reality, not an illusion they've got thousands of friends. when that illusion cracks, as it invariably does -- and i've known a lot of people have gotten addicted to social media -- when that illusion cracks, they become depressed. >> melissa: it's also true, you look online -- i think one of the big things i was reading about and here was this idea that you look online and everyone else's life looks perfect. everybody has faced tunes their photo, photoshop all the stuff. when you look at the mirror, it's illusion. exactly. it isn't what is reflected back at you, that's not what you see

on social media or what other people are posting there. it's just that people fall for others' posts, thinking they are real. that, to me, is kind of amazing. what's the point of doing it at all? >> katie: it's just ironic because social media -- the word "social," means interacting with anybody pretty can connect with anybody in the world. yet, the study shows it creates loneliness and depression. that's interesting. i agree with the study. i did know we need a study to say that if you are out on instagram or facebook or twitter less, especially if you are in politics, it's going to up happiness level. for thanksgiving, turn off your phone. put it away. just spend time with real people who actually care about you. >> jessica: but it is difficult come about twitter. it's an essential tool to do our job. but what if you miss a tweet? >> melissa: have been for bed! heaven forbid you miss a tweet! >> david: you have emails. you don't have to log into twitter in order to get it.

>> katie: it will be there when you get back. >> melissa: also, it's a good mind or having kids, tried to model the right things for them. we are sitting there, my husband and i are telling them "leave your devices, you may not bring them to the table." we can't be hypocrites by having our device when we have told them to leave it behind. they are happy to point that out, if you take out your phone. then you are like "i'm trying to do some work." >> katie: "i'm an adult, you are the kids." that's how it works. it's a dictatorship, not a democracy pay [laughs] >> jessica: when you're going out with friends, or with your significant other or on a date, at a restaurant with her phone on the table. what kind of conversation could you be possibly having if it is lighting up? a >> katie: you are being mindful or respectful of the person you are with. will may have so much finite time in our lives. be sure to spend it in the presence of what you're doing. >> melissa: it sounds like you have a resolution. put the phone away. >> jessica: i can do that. >> david: and base your hopes on reality, not on an illusion.

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>> melissa: all right, thanks to my old partner david, it was great to be next to you again. >> jessica: good energy.

>> melissa: a lot of fun, everybody has to watch your new show on fox business. >> david: thank you very much, it's on fox business network. >> melissa: we are back here at noon eastern tomorrow, here's harris. >> harris: a federal judge in san francisco is borrowing the trump administration from refusing asylum to migrants who cross the southern border in the u.s. illegally. this is "outnumbered overtime," i'm harris faulkner. that judge's decision comes as homeland security officials say more than 500 criminals are traveling with that migrant caravan, that's on the other side of the san diego border crossing and further from that. homeland security chief kirstjen nielsen tweeted that the sport there was temporarily closed when officials were notified that a large number of people planned to rush the border. >> what this president is doing is extra