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campos-duffy and sean duffy of wisconsin also known as mr. rachel. i bet you love that, too. >> you got the right title there. >> julie: absolutely. you two know each other, right? don't you have a kid or two together? so cute. your kids are the cutest. >> i do congressional events now people say you come to the event. as long as you bring rachel. hot ticket item. >> they have their priorities. [laughter] >> they are watching the right channel. >> love it. >> julie: after months of investigating president trump sends written responses to questions into rush meddling into the 2016 election. the president is speaking to reporters before heading to mar-a-lago for the holiday, again, slamming the probe. watch this. >> the written answers to the witch-hunt that's been going on forever, no collusion, no nothing. they have been finished,

finished them yesterday. >> julie: the president's lawyer rudy giuliani suggesting the president would rye resist any subpoena but predicts mueller won't actually issue one. he tells axios and i'm quoting i think that he would not win a legal battle if he did that and i think it would consume months. i don't think he has any way to compel testimony on obstruction because the argument of executive privilege would be very, very strong. it all relates to period of time after he was president. giuliani also said he can't tell if mueller has given up on obstruction but says he thinks their obstruction case as a legal matter doesn't exist. rachel, let me start with you. first of all, 1.4 million pages that the administration has turned over in this investigation. he has now answered these questions. they are all mainly russia-related. giuliani says that they are completely out of line. is the investigation far-reaching? are they running out of

ideas? rach rach absolutely. needs to come to an end. if the american people actually believed there was something there, that he had colluded with the russians, it would have been their talking point in the midterm. if you look at the midterm elections, if you polled americans it wasn't hardly on the list it was number five or six or seven. and if you listen to what the democrats were talking about, they were talking about healthcare. they are not talking about russia because there is nothing there. everything that could have come out would have already come out. >> that's why democrats won because we weren't focusing on this. >> that's exactly right. the american people for the most part think this is a political exercise on the part of mueller and the others and they just want it to end and move on. >> what do you make, lisa, first of all of what capri just said that this is why the democrats won? the democrats won. >> real issues. >> julie: very common when you have a republican in the white house on the opposite side. >> exactly. >> lisa: i think the hope

that this is going to die down is not going to happen. because they do have an incoming adam schiff as the house intel chairman that has already signaled this is going to be a focus of him russia regardless of the mueller investigation turns out. i don't think that's going away. however, do i think that the talking point and the focus that there needs to be some sort of mueller protection bill now ridiculous. as giuliani pointed out 30 witnesses, 1.4 million pages of material. president trump has also answered these questions. tim what investigation needs to be protected? he is already a participant and has done everything can he to participate in this. however i'm a little bit concerned that this is more of an investigation in search-of a crime. >> saying they don't see anything here. even peter strzok who hated trump said in his text messages he didn't want to be part of the special counsel investigation because he didn't think anything was there. >> julie: sean, now we have jeff sessions out, matt whitaker in. how does it changes things with this investigation moving forward? >> sean: i don't think we

know. right? whitaker has made comments in the past when he was in the doj with regard to how the investigation should be looked at. again, i think that is yet to be determined. with regard to this investigation as a whole, we can't forget the root of this investigation came from the dirty dossier from hillary clinton. hillary clinton still has her tongues in american politics and information in the dossier came from russians. i think that's fascinating. and i think that president trump is smart to call it a witch-hunt pause that's what it is. and rudy giuliani is smart to make sure that they are only answering questions in the written format. rachel and i have eight kids. we are about to come to black friday. connect four. when you connect four when you get someone, no matter where they move going to be caught and going to win. we are trying to keep donald trump out of that situation in regard to the a trap. >> twister though. >> sean: maybe. >> in his statement he said always be careful when you

answer questions people that probably have bad intention. so he is trying to be careful as you said because he doesn't trust. looking for a crime. >> doesn't matter what the question is. >> lisa: that's not necessarily true, capri, we do have the instance of michael flynn and you had fbi and at least according to the republicans, they had fbi investigators had told congressional republicans that they didn't think that michael flynn had lied or mislead them and then mueller takes over and then michael flynn pleads to lying. i don't necessarily know -- >> think that they have a reason. you are a prosecutor so i will defer to you. >> sean: the former state prosecutor by the way you can put a lot of pressure on defendants. with regard to michael flynn, the financial pressures of just defending himself is great and a threat to his family and prosecuting his children. either resolve this issue or otherwise i'm going to go

bankrupt and lose my house. everything i have build is going to go away. that's the pressure a prosecutor can put on a defendant. it wasn't that he was necessarily guilty and didn't want to fight it it's resources. >> julie: as far as transparency is here, democrats have been railing against the comments matt whitaker has made in the past about the russia investigation. he would recuse himself. he dose want this investigation to proceed. he would not try to block robert mueller. matt whitaker coming out saying he wouldn't want to block this investigation. >> sean: as republicans we think it's a witch-hunt. we don't think -- it's a bogus investigation. i also think if you are donald trump, you want to actually have this investigation completed. >> which is why he has been so forth right and answered the questions. which is why originally he wanted to sit down with robert mueller and in fact it was his lawyers that said look, i will go by the advice of my lawyers. i don't think that would have been a good idea first of all because he would have railroaded him, robert mueller would have if he had sit down.

>> lisa: even if the written format, what sort of legal liability does president trump face in answering these questions? >> sean: listen, if you have a prosecutor who is trying to catch you can say you fluid answering the question. >> lisa: do you think the case mueller? >> sean: i'm concerned. mueller is a republican and mueller was a conservative. but when you build your team around a whole bunch of democrat donors or hillary clinton donors that lean left, you lose the appearance of impartiality. and i think there is a lot of great prosecutors, a lot of great investigators that mueller could have built his team around that have not given any money to republicans or democrats. he chose to take some left leaners that gives me some pause in concern. >> julie: he is still in charge. bein>> being a republican doesn't mean necessarily that you are agreeing with trump's version of events. there is plenty of knives out to get donald trump. >> doesn't mean get him neither necessarily.

>> rachel: i think sean makes a great point. he's my husband. he makes a great point about the fact that he had an opportunity to put people on his team who at least have the appearance of impartiality and he didn't. why wouldn't he do that? >> julie: i'm wondering how the president feels though that whitaker would recuse himself because he was so hell-bent on jeff sessions not recusing himself and never forgave him for that then in the president's defense it looks good for the president that he has his guy basically taking the same stance as jeff sessions. >> lisa: i think you can make the argument that the person that needs to recuse himself and i mentioned this before rod rosenstein fired james comey and appoint the special counsel to look into it. that's pretty shady to me. i think if anyone should have the conflict of interest here, he does. >> absolutely, that's a good point. >> he spent millions. think about it millions of dollars spent in this investigation so far. if he comes up with nothing, there is a lot of pressure to come up with something to

justify all -- >> ca >> how about the truth? truth will set you free they say. >> julie: moving on. president trump fighting back against the thriewlg blocked his policy on asylum seekers. what he says will happen. and if his criticisms are fair? also, lawmakers now looking into ivanka trump's email use as the president and some republicans come to her defense whether an investigation is necessary and how this all compares to the hillary clinton scandal. we'll debate next. >> there was no deleting like hillary clinton did. there was no service in the basement like hillary clinton had. you're talking about a whole different -- you are talking about all fake news. ♪ george woke up in pain.

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president trump. >> early on and for a little period of time ivanka did some emails. they weren't classified like hillary clinton. they are all in presidential records. there was no hiding. there was no deleting like hillary clinton did there was no service in the basement like hillary clinton had. you are talking about a whole different -- you are talking about all fake news. >> lisa: he is not the only one coming to ivanka trump's defense. republican congressman mark meadows tweeting there are over 30,000 bleach bit reasons why hillary clinton's email scandal isn't even close to the ivanka email issue. ron johnson saying he is, quote: concerned and calling for official response by december 7th. while former assistant u.s. attorney andrew mccarthy had this to say. >> in this environment, particularly given how big an issue he made of mrs. clinton's use of private email to conduct official business, you have to wonder why anybody would

do that. it's kind of an explosive thing at this point. >> lisa: congressman, should there be an investigation into this? >> sean: i don't know if there should be an investigation. i think it's foolish on behalf 6 ivanka trump to actually have a private email account when the whole race for the last presidential cycle was about hillary clinton's illegal private email server and email accounts and the president laid out well, there is nothing comparable to what ivanka did scheduling issues and forwarded all the emails. it's all public record to what hillary clinton did. not only did she delete the 33,000 emails. we don't have them. but recall when her team took sledge hammers to the cell phone and destroyed the cell phones so there would be no record of these emails and again over 100 of them were classified. there is no indication these emails are classified. so there is no comparison between the two number one, number two, it is really easy now for democrats to hit donald trump and ivanka.

i think it was amateur move on her part. >> lisa: there have been comparisons to made to hillary clinton and to mark meadow's point and to the president here, look, hillary clinton deleted 30,000 emails using bleach bit set up her own private server, also, she was the nation's top diplomat and had classified information on that server. ivanka's attorneys are saying she didn't have any classified information in her emails. what do you make of those comparisons? >> capri: i think there needs to be at least some disclosure because it doesn't matter if you have a private server or if you are using a nongovernment email account. the content is still potentially subject to a freedom of information request. so, and it could be potentially classified or not classified. we don't know. we're taking essentially ivanka trump's word for that. but there is a stark difference between these two things because there is a difference between using a g mail account or hotmail account and having a server

in your basement. this actually is one of the things that motivated to give me against hillary clinton in 2015. >> sean: to trump? >> capri: no, joe biden. drop joe biden campaign because i was actually driving out to this -- to the running trail in ohio and i'm listening to her on meet the press and she said well, i just had the same server that my husband had when he was president in my basement. i'm like what do you mean aol dial up? that was 2,000. you can't claim that email server. are you kidding me? so there is clearly some shady stuff there i agree it was amateur move on ivanka's part but i don't think it's necessarily the same. >> lisa: rachel, why do we keep seeing people in government making the same mistake and what needs to be done about it. >> rachel: i don't know. can i jump on another point that i think is interesting with trey gowdy ron johnson, these are very prominent respected members of the republican conference. and they are saying -- they are not jumping on ivanka

but they are saying hey we need to look at this. we want to get this information. send it to us. we want to make sure there is nothing classified. that there wasn't anything. i never saw that on the democrat side on the part of hillary clinton. it was all coverup. it was all trying to, you know make sure she had at little damage as possible make it through the primary and election and win. i look -- >> capri: january. >> rachel: i'm proud there is independent thinking in there that people can have different points of view and still be considered within the conference. i don't think if you are a democrat if you ever dared to call out hillary, you would be allowed back in. >> lisa: julia, i want to get you back in here. does this foreshadow what's ahead for the trump administration? >> the trump administration needs to be more careful. this wasn't a slip up. it was stupid. you don't send personal government related emails. these started in december of 2016. but i honestly do not believe that ivanka did this maliciously.

she is not trying to cover anything up. i bet you half these emails are about her kids and family personal business. they are not classified and did not take a blackberry and hammer it to death. there is a big difference. and she is also not the former secretary of state for god's sake. let's think about it. >> sean: i also had a private email account. why don't they say get those emails as well. >> lisa: she is willing to turn them all over. more to come. because despite bipartisan criticism, president trump is not backing off his support of saudi arabia. he says his administration will take no further action against the saudis in the wake of the murder of jamal khashoggi. whether this is the right move, we will debate it plus, the president on offense after a legal set back for his plan to crack down on asylum seekers. he is ripping a judge's ruling and laying out another plan. will it work? stay tuned. >> everybody that wants to sue the united states, they file their case in the 9th

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citing his travel ban as yet another example. >> well, did you go to the ninth circuit and it's a disgrace. i'm going to put in a major complaint. you cannot win if you are us in cases in the 9th circuit. i think it's a disgrace when people file -- every case gets filed nut ninth circuit. they know that's not law. that's not what this country stands for. every case that gets filed in the ninth circuit, would get beaten and then we end up having to go to the supreme court like the travel ban that we won. >> julie: so, is he right? let me ask you congressman? >> sean: is he spot on. he lays out the case well. have you liberal activist judge on the ninth circuit promote a liberal progressive agenda. this is why elections have consequences and why getting our judges on the court to actually interpret the constitution. not for the left, for the right. the president is obviously concerned. you have people who are organizing the caravans who are coaching those in the caravan and how to get asylum and how to work over

american laws to get access to our country. the president is rightfully concerned in saying listen, i have got to protect our country from what is classified as an invasion. >> capri: can i ask this question, the 9th circuit are perceived that they lien left and whatnot. the argument that they made is that it's a violation of the intent of the u.s. immigration and naturalization act which is obviously, you know, an enacted law passed by congress that essentially says regardless of how an individual comes in to the country, even if it's not a specific port of entry, they still are entitled to seek asylum. i mean, it's pretty cut and dry. is the answer changing the law? >> let me tell you this real quick and then way. in alan dershowitz weighing in as well. listen. >> the president is not correct when he talks about the ninth circuit. the ninth circuit is 26 or more judges.

a lot of them liberal democrats. a lot of them are trump appointees. some of them appointees of reagan or bush. it's a very diverse circuit. but, he has done better in the supreme court than he has done in the ninth circuit. but i think the judge, you know, wrote a balanced, thoughtful decision, a decision that may well be overruled in the supreme court. >> julie: okay, this coming in crossing the wires right now. it's breaking. in a rare rebuttal, chief justice roberts rejects president trump's criticism of federal judges. this being crossed by the associated press just moments ago and he praises independent judiciary. >> lisa: look, i think regarding the ninth circuit, the ninth circuit has been on the receiving end of criticism for many conservatives. and i will just to point out when president trump pardoned the tuckerys yesterday unfortunately the ninth circuit i can't guarantee your pardon will not be supported by the ninth circuit. i thought that was funny.

the fact that migrants are coming to the yits and exploiting our laws. you see an 80% increase in family units crossing the border illegally since president trump's zero tolerance policy ended. you look at the fact that 80% of these individuals will pass their initial interview but only 20% who actually show up in court will be granted asylum in immigration court. there are real issues. >> capri: shouldn't congress be responsible for drafting the law? >> sean: when obama implemented daca, he was changing immigration law. when trump tried to roll it back they said no, no, you can't roll back daca. i agree congress should make the laws and executive should enforce the laws. we are a far cry from that i think it's interesting you mentioned john roberts. remember when barack obama at the state of the union chastised the supreme court right in front of them at the state of the union in the house chamber? and john roberts was pretty sigh length for being chastised by obama all of a sudden now he has found his backbone i'm going to chastise donald trump for

giving push back on the courts. >> julie: interesting to note this is rare for a supreme court justice to come forward. would the president then win at the supreme court level? >> capri: maybe. i don't know. that's what we will all try to find out. listen, again, this is another case of roberts, supposed republican, willing to go up. i think there is a lot of never trumpers out there. some of them are on the supreme court. some of them are in the deep state. we don't know. the point is i think what america people want to know come to our borders. you say you soar seeking asylum and then we let you go and we somehow trust you that you are going to come back to. >> sean: in two or three years. >> rachel: it's so stupid. we can argue on all the finer points of the law and whether the president has the right here or it's the congress' job or whatever, the average american person sitting back, looking at this argument goes so why are we letting them go out in our country and why are

we trusting them to come back? >> lisa: what is president trump supposed to do, thousands of people migrant caravans want to come in and exploit our laws and many of them want to cross our border illegally and not come to a port of entry. what is president trump supposed to do. >> capri: last two years where republicans controlled both chambers of congress. look, we are lame duck now and i'm not putting you on the spot, congressman. but honestly, i mean, the statute needs to be changed as a former legislator, the statute needs to be changed. >> julie: once democrats take control in january what are they going to do with this? is it congress' role to make a decision or is it the white house? >> sean: the congress needs to actually fix the law. immigration is broken. we need to fix it and have a holistic approach to what we do with people who are here and working and how do we make sure we secure our border. not that we have a caravan. let me meet the demands of our economy. in regard to the courts, we want them to fairly interpret the constitution

and the statute without a bend to the left or the right. if it doesn't go well for republicans, i'm okay with that but equal application for everybody is key. a lot of conservatives don't feel like that's the case. >> julie: i do have to speak on behalf of legal hispanics in this country they are against it. they waited in a line. my mother had to get in this country the legal way. and she is so adamant and she does vote republican because of this issue. because of the immigration issue. because she is insulted. she finds that our country is letting others like her, hispanic americans, who came in the right way, letting them down. >> rachel: often it is legal immigrants who are mostly against this border policy. >> julie: for sure. >> rachel: all right. moving on, president trump is standing firm despite fierce backlash to decision not to take further backlash against saudi arabia for the murder of columnist jamal khashoggi. take a look. >> maybe he did. maybe he didn't. they did not make that assessment. the cia has looked at it.

they have studied it a lot. they have nothing definitive. this is about america first. they are paying us $400 billion plus to purchase and invest in our country. china and russia would love to make $100 billion worth of military equipment from saudi arabia. we have the contract. they wanted those contracts. that would be a big fat beautiful gift to russia and to china. they are not going to get that gift. >> rachel: but the top republican and democrat on the senate foreign relations committee are demanding an investigation into whether the crown prince ordered khashoggi's killing. here is republican chairman bob corker. >> we have a crown prince that i believe directed the killing of a journalist. and i just -- the language that was used, it was as if they were writing a press release for saudi arabia. not for the united states. >> rachel: and ranking democrat bob menendez tweeting, quote: the fact is we have k. not allow

exaggerated profits from record sales and other business deals to drive our foreign policy at the expense of our broader interest, human rights and promoting values that will make us secure over the long term. the president doubling down tweeting today, oil prices getting lower, great. like a big tax cut for america and the world, enjoy. $54 was just $82. thank you to saudi arabia, but let's go lower. all right. well, do you think the president is striking the right tone there, lisa? >> lisa: i have a lot of mixed feelings about this. i kind of agree debate certain extent it is important to send a message to country that have these egregious human rights violations. that's the reason why we saw president trump, as soon as he took office, sending those tomahawk missiles to syria and showing that we here in america believe in red lines and red lines that president obama didn't follow through with i also agree with the people that have concerns about not overreacting because we do need saudi arabia against iran especially because under the obama

administration, they pumped a lot of money towards iran, the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world to continue sponsoring state terrorism and bring further instability to the middle east. i'm very conflicted on this issue just to be perfectly honest. i also think people are not talking about the fact that president trump at least has brought sanctions against 17 individuals who are involved. but i think there is a bipartisan chorus for even, you know, more throw row sanctions with a little bit more teeth. >> rachel: sean, what do you think happens to relations in the middle east in terms of iran and the balance of power if we follow, say, what democrats and people like corker. >> sean: i agree with lisa. first off, it doesn't seem black or white. we can say, listen, we believe in human rights and we have the crown prince who potentially ordered the murder of khashoggi. listen, let's have some sanctions and also realize if we absolutely distance ourselves from saudi arabia, we're actually helping iran. and i love the left's hypocrisy here. so donald trump is saying i

love saudi arabia is going to buy things from the united states and give, you know, thousands of jobs to american citizens and they are our friends all the while barack obama gave billions of dollars to iran. >> rachel: and they're not our friends. >> sean: that's right. lead sponsor of terrorism. let's call balls and strikes on this and be fair. important remain an ally but also call out their human rights abuses. >> rachel: julie i care a lot about human rights. i was disgusted by what happened in that embassy in istanbul. we have relations with china. they are enormous human rights abusers. so how do we make these distinctions and who do we go after for human rights and who do we turn a blind eye to? >> julie: i think we shouldn't be turning a blind tie any human rights violations and i think quite frankly there is plenty of evidence out there not only points the crown prince and his people and those who work under him in a security team to be responsible for this heinous murder, but i also believe that there needs on accountability.

i understand that we may need saudi arabia a little more than they need us. i realize this is an economic and geographical situation that puts us at odd place and obviously we have to make compromises, but we can't let him off the hook. >> capri: don't tell me there is a chance that perhaps he had something to do with it or not. the investigation and all of the evidence that the turkish officials have come forward with are very clear. >> rachel: you say don't let him off the hook? >> julie: something needs to happen. >> capri: there has to be why multilateral. >> julie: i'm sorry i know he needs to be punished. >> capri: i know people don't like the u.n. and international criminal court and i understand people's sense toift national sovereignty and whatnot. however, institutions like the united nations and the international criminal court allow the united states and other civilized nations to come together and say we will not stand for these

kinds of human rights abuses and separate that, for example, from our economic interests. >> sean: this whole region doesn't believe in human rights. >> rachel: agreed. >> sean: not like we're picking a bad nation in saudi arabia that violated. >> capri: they should all be held accountable. >> sean: they are all violaters, they are all abusers so we're going out of the bag who is the bad? >> julie: yes, there is violations going on left and right. leaders of countries should be held account being. that's. >> capri: that's the tool. >> rachel: there is education camps. >> lisa: as a points of a factual matter, president trump there have been sanctions against 17 individuals tied to the khashoggi killing, so it is inaccurate to say that there has been nothing done. you can make the argument that those sanctions weren't biting enough. there needs to be more done. there has been some action

taken. >> julie: if the crown prince ordered these killings nothing has been done. >> sean: the answer is more drilling, more fracking. >> rachel: leads to more independence from other countries. [laughter] >> rachel: all right, well a potential challenge tore nancy pelosi for house speaker marcia fudge is backing down after striking a deal with pelosi. as some other house democrats are still opposing her bid. but, is that opposition falling apart? what does it mean for new democrats searching for new leadership? we will come back for that next. ♪ having moderate to severe plaque psoriasis is not always easy. it's a long-distance journey, and you have the determination to keep going. humira has a proven track record of being prescribed for over 10 years. humira works inside the body to target and help block

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>> lisa: welcome back nancy pelosi's negotiating skills

on full display. marcia fudge dropping her challenge to pelosi. as pelosi her to chair defunct subcommittee on voters rise that democrats will revise come january. pelosi has assured her that black women will have a seat at the decision-making table. fudge's endorsement a significant blow to efforts by more than a dozen democrats to oust pelosi. 16 democrats signing a letter saying that they will oppose pelosi for speak but now one of them, new york congressman brian higgins is now reportedly saying that he is going to endorse her. connecticut democrat jim hymes say those who oppose pelosi's for speaker better put up challenger now. >> unless they come up with alternative, they better run that play and then if it doesn't work stop, allow to us unify. allow to us move forward. >> lisa: congressman, what does marcia fudge's endorsement tell you where this is heading.

>> sean: i think marcia fudge would have been a great choice smart, engaged and can be bipartisan. setting that aside, you have to look how this is coming together for democrats. jim hymes, good guy. they are going to go next week. it's a silent ballot by the way. no one gets to see it. not raising their hands and calling out publicly who they are going to vote for. no one is going to challenge nancy pelosi right now because she is going to beat them hard, those who oppose her. if she can't get to 218 in her conference. she won't get 218 on the floor. and when that happens, she steps aside and all of a sudden you have a whole bunch of other democrats stepping forward and going okay, now let's have a more competitive race who can be the speaker once she is out. but with her still in play, no one is willing to raise their hand because i think they are too afraid of her right now. >> rachel: if she wins she will punish them. >> capri: she says she wouldn't but who knows. >> sean: of course she will. >> lisa: you were minority leader in ohio state

senator. >> capri: i was before i was leader. >> rachel: what kind of conversations is nancy pelosi having now with her caucus. >> she is probably trying to reassure members as we just saw with marcia fudge who is an ohio member, for example, saying okay, you are going to have you know, the chairmanship of the subcommittee, for example. she is trying to make sure, for example, you know, certain people are going to committee chairmanships, that she is addressing issues from the progressive side, from the moderate side, you know, et cetera, et cetera. she knows how to whip votes, how to count votes. you know, she has been arranged for 17 years and while i have been ver vocal about the fact that my party needs new leadership particularly at the federal level i wrote for foxnews.com on this issue. i think what's happened is 16 members, one of whom is my member of congress whom i love and who challenged nannies two years ago tim ryan. if they really were serious, somebody needs to step up and challenge her and have

an actual candidacy. absent of that they are playing into her hands. >> lisa: julie, to that point, absent of a challenger, i mean, is this is a shoe in for indianapolis? >> julie: i think the democrats don't have better options which sort of doesn't play very well when you look at the presidential election coming up. shouldn't they be more concerned about trying to nail down voters in battleground states and be looking forward to the presidential election? don't they want to breathe new life and i don't want to say young because it's not about age but new blood into the democratic party? >> capri: it's about balance. in ohio there is no path to 270 for electoral votes. in 2020, given the current map. even though we won. what's your response to. >> rachel: it's interesting when you look at last midterm. it seems like the progressives have gotten

strong. people like tim ryan from her state who would present an option for winning back some of working class people that they lost to trump nut midwestern states. those people don't seem to be who people are thinking of. instead of marcia fudge or other. >> lisa: we got to get going. president trump had one answer when asked who should be "time" magazine person of the year for 2018. you guessed it, trump. will he get the nod given his dicey relationship with the press. if not, who else could grace that cover? we will discuss it, so stay tuned. ♪ ♪

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>> julie: president trump telling reporters he can't imagine anyone else for time magazine person of the year. 2% of the vote. last year when he was selected as runner-up, so he said, the president claimed he turned down the top owner which "time" magazine refuted. the "time" magazine named the me too movement as persons of the year. here is the president outside the white house. watch. >> i don't know. that's up to "time" magazine. i have been there before. i can't imagine anybody else other than trump. can you imagine anybody other than trump?

>> number one, i love when he speaks in third person. two, i love a man with confidence. so go for it he has 2% of the vote. most likely will not be the face of the cover, but, heck, go for it. >> sean: it should be donald trump. whether you love or hate him. every conversation not just in america but around the world. everybody is trump this, trump that what did trump do today. what did trump tweet? two minutes ago. jury trial. >> julie: what kind of chocolate cake did he eat tonight? i have a controversial suggestion. i think it should be -- i honestly think it should be alexandria ocasio-cortez and the reason is because she came out as out and proud socialist. after that every single one of the 2020 democrats pulled their masks off because democrats didn't used to claim to be socialist. we all knew they secretly

were but now they have taken off the mask alexandria caused that to happen. our next presidential election will be honest election between free market conservatives and socialism and we can have an honest political debate for once in this country. >> julie: lisa, jeff bezos, mark zurich special counsel robert mueller. top choice though was south korean boy ban ets. >> sean: who? >> julie: huge hit. >> lisa: tee paulk 2. we should start talking in third person solis is a thinks. personally, i don't care about "time" magazine. i never read it i never really have. i have never been a reader of it they put hillary clinton on the cover something like 2 times. that tells you a lot you need to know about "time." honestly i couldn't care less who they choose. >> sean: isn't it fun how "time" or reporters actually asked donald trump who should be the person of the

year? [laughter] >> julie: when you are asked to grade yourself. a plus. >> who do you think should grace the cover? >> capri: i don't care much like lisa. who do you think? >> capri: jeff lynn and electric light orchestra who renoon nighted elo. >> julie: okay, that's not happening. [laughter] any other predictions, congressman? >> sean: i don't think it will be trump. the media hates him. look at how everyone talks about him. look how great this economy has been. people are going back to work. wages are rising. kids are graduating from college and moving out of our basements which we all love. parents love that he has been remarkable for america, foreign policy and domestic. so he should get it. but they will definitely not give it to him. >> julie: it will be very, very revealing if robert mueller makes the cover and the president doesn't,

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i am going to be filling in for laura ingraham at 10:00 p.m. eastern. and now, "overtime" with julie banderas, she's in for harris. >> julie: a fox news alert, the russia investigation now reaching a critical stage. i'm julie banderas, inver harris faulkner today. president trump's legal team submitting written answers to questions after months of negotiations back and forth between the president's team, robert mueller's team, and speculation on top of all of that on whether or not the president would agree to sit down and talk face-to-face with mueller in an interview. legal scholar alan dershowitz saying this, "the presidents attorneys made the right decision in agreeing to written responses only." watch. >> all of the president said it

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