red. graham's point was a cindy hyde-smith would not be such a proponent of criminal justice reported on microform if she was this big racist that somewhat have you believe. but again, the cindy hyde-smith team, very, very confident in their chances to hold the thad cochran ch. >> martha: thank you very much, peter. that is our "story" for tuesday nights. tucker carlson is up next. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." as has become the rule lately, there are a couple of big stories unfolding simultaneously tonight. big news in mississippi, the polls have just closed and a key runoff election there. you'll get the results right here may be during this hour. we'll also bring you the latest on the migrant caravan, and investigate the news coverage of that. was it accurate now that the facts are in? we can assess that and we will. but first tonight, robert mueller's investigation, it was created, as he will

remember, to uncover collusion between american citizens and the government of russia. two years and, its main achievement, so far, are the financial destruction of several left, and the prosecuting of crimes they did not exist before the investigation was created. now the latest in the cross hairs of the mueller investigation is refusing to go down meekly. jerome corsi, in 60 seconds he will join us to tell you what he has gone through himself. first, trace gallagher joins us with new information he just learned a short time ago. trace? >> tucker, court documents show that jerome corsi, associate of trump confidant robert stone, began speaking with special counsel prosecutors on septembee corsi was first questioned about then shown an email in which roger stone asked him in july of 2016 to "get to julian assange at ecuadorian embassy in london and get the pending wikileaks emails." corsi claims he declined the request by roger stone, saying

that any attempt to contact wikileaks good put them in investigators cross hairs. but robert mueller's team believes that corsi lied to and of turning down roger stone's request, he personally pass it along to someone in london, and date is later on august 2nd, 2016, corsi sent an email to roger stone saying, wikileaks possessing a information damaging to hillary clinton's campaign and plan to release it in october, quoting again, "have collected more than podesta to be exposed as in bed with enemy if they are not ready to drop hillary rodham clinton." that appears to be the game hackers are now about. wikileaks released john podesta's hacked emails on november 7th, 2017, hours after the "access hollywood" table in public where donald trump bragged about groping women. special counsel wants to know if there was coordination between roger stone and julian assange about when to release podesta's damaging emails. jerome corsi says he did not

have it insider information. instead, he did his homework, connected the dots, and theorized that assange had podesta's emails. roger stone just told "tucker carlson tonight," "none of the emails cited prove i had advanced notice of those sources or content of either allegedly hacked or allegedly stolen emails published by wikileaks." wounded political gossip become a criminal activity" he also says his friend corsi is being harassed by special counsel, not for like, but for refusing to lie. tucker? >> tucker: thanks a lot, trace. appreciate that. so let's boil this down to its essence. jerome corsi is 72 years old. he it has a phd in political science from harvard. he's written two "new york times" best sellers about politics. jerome corsi is the kind of person who shouldn't probably should be happily retired by now. instead, as you just heard, he is facing potential in all felony charges from robert mueller. how did this happen?

earlier this year, the independent counsel subpoenaed to corsi and sees his laptop and personal phone. it had all of his communications. they know exactly what he said i did not say. in september, corsi was summoned to an interview with prosecutors. they asked him if he had ever tried to broker a meeting with julian assange in london. corsi responded no, "i didn't want anyone to see assange." the prosecutors left the room to confer after corsi said that. they returned and informed jerome corsi that he had just committed a felony. on corsi's laptop was an email chain from more than two years before in which he had been asked to contact assange, as you just heard, corsi forwarded that email to somebody else. nothing ever came of any of this, and again the independent counsel would know because they had corsi's laptop and phone. they know that corsi never left the united states, and never spoke to julian assange. corsi said he forgot all about forwarding the email. for the crime of forgetting that

he forwarded that email, he is facing bankruptcy and imprisonment. so ask yourself this question: how would any of us fair under this sting? howard robert mueller fair under the same standard he set up a robert mueller? robert mueller is 74 years old. what if the neck special prosecutor sees his personal computer and interrogated him about every email he ever sent or forwarded going back years? he'd probably be able to remember some of it but all of it? to the letter? keep in mind, the slightest mistake would mean prison time. would that be just as? or would it be its opposite? jerome corsi would know first hand and he joins us tonight. mr. corsi, thank you very much for coming on. >> my pleasure, tucker, thank you. >> tucker: you are not under oath, so our viewers will have to assess the accuracy of what you say. but before we get to your interactions with the corsi investigation, just the basics. have you ever have contact with julian assange? >> no, i've never met

julian assange, never spoken with him, never emailed him. i've had no contact with julian assange whatsoever. >> tucker: have you ever had contact with russian intelligence or subverted -- knowingly subverted, the interest of your own country? >> absolutely not. i've been a loyal american, i had no contacts with russian intelligence, i have no business interest in russia, i have nothing to do with russia. i have never been to russia. >> tucker: so tell me if i summarized what happened to you accurately. the special counsel's office gets a hold of your personal computer and your phone. they've got all the records, all the data, and may start asking you about things they already know, and may ask you, have you ever try to broker a meeting with assange? you not remember forwarding this email, they come back and say, bingo, you just committed a felony. if that would happen? >> it's even worse. first of all, i offered -- i gave my computer for the special counsel, i gave them my cell phone. i gave them all of my email accounts. i gave them everything they

wanted, my twitter accounts, i signed permission and handed all this over. now on the first day when i was interviewed, i didn't remember that email. now the special counsel came in and blew up and they actually sent me home and gave me an opportunity to review the emails. when i came back, i amended the testimony to say that i now remember the email. the special counsel was happy with that until i couldn't give them what they wanted. which was a connection that i had with assange, which they assumed i have come which i i didn't have. now suddenly, they forgot they allowed me to amend my testimony and they are going back to the mistake i made, when i forgot the emails. so really, i think, it is completely fraudulent, the charge that they were trying to get me to plead to. i refused to plead to to a liv. >> tucker: i'm a little confused here. is there anything that you

held -- withheld from them? you said you give them access to everything. if you had direct contact with julian assange, or with someone else out contact with assange, they would already know that, wouldn't they? >> i would think so. i gave them everything voluntarily. i have a time machine on my computer, which recorded everything precisely and kept it in the time machine, backer 2015. they computer broke in 2018 but i gave it, i kept it -- i voluntarily gave them the 17-inch apple laptop and the time machine. i gave them my cell phone. i signed over permission for all of my emails, gave them the usernames and passwords. i allowed them to see my twitter, and even helped want to go download my twitter and my google account. i sent over verizon accounts. everything they wanted, i had nothing to hide. i gave it to them immediately. for having forgotten the one because i had not reviewed the email, this particular email, i

am now being charged with willfully and knowingly giving false information, which is nonsense. i never willingly and falsely gave false information. i intended always to tell the truth. my memory was not perfect. >> tucker: right. let me just to say, if you deleted emails, presumably, the special counsel would have the ability to retrieve those emails. so they would know, i think, what your communications were. i have read accounts in the press, i read run in the washington monthly, a liberal magazine, saying that you deserve to go to prison because you have expressed views that they don't like. do you think that your political views are playing a role in the decision of the special counsel to charge you with a felony? >> yes, i think -- also, by the way, they accused me of deleting emails and i told them they restored the emails. i supposedly deleted through the time machine. this is a political witch hunt. because i did not have a contact

with assange, but yet had figured out that assange had progressed as emails, i figured it out and told roger stone and told many people in august, and it just happened that i was right. the prosecutor said that we will not believe in your 25th wedding anniversary to italy with your life and family, you had divine inspiration and god told you podesta had assange's emails. i i don't know if i want to putt out crassly but i did figured out and i corrected the dots, and you just want believe i figured it out. >> tucker: quickly, because i can't resist asking because i think the human cost is worth knowing about, what does this cause do? >> it is going to be just to get started a couple hundred thousand dollars. i mean, it banked up here very quickly. and the special prosecutors blow you up, they do this what i call perjury trap, it is really -- they ask you a question, they have material they want to show

you, you have forgotten about it, they say, you just collide because this email you forgot about in 2016 proves your current memory is wrong. it's a memory test. they may accuse you of lying. it's completely rigged and it's politically-driven by clinton operatives who have an agenda. if you can give them -- roger is right -- if you can't give them what they are looking for to fill their narrative, they blow you up and charge you with a crime. >> tucker: i think the public to see what is happening. i'm grateful you came on to explain. thank you, jerome corsi. >> thank you. >> tucker: you have learned a lot of things on television recently about the migrant caravan in the past month. how much of it wound up being true? we are going to compare what we know now once the facts therein against what we have been told about four weeks and weeks. plus the poles of discloser mississippi. the special senate election era, we are monitoring it, and we will have the results right here just ahead. ♪

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know what it is but we can be sure there is one -- will come to dominate the headlines. the migrant caravan will be mostly forgotten. even if the border crisis remains unresolved. the public, the press, the president likely come too, will have moved on. we want to pause for a moment as before that happens, and it will inevitably happen, and look back and consider how this story was handled by the press. because we think it matters. the story evolved rapidly and the media's official story evolved just as rapidly. but where their descriptions about what was happening factually on the ground true? tonight we want to investigate that. this is not a partisan question, by the way. it is about the future of the country. for a free society to function, the press does not have to be perfect, but it does have to be better than eight propaganda outlet. are they? let's break it down with buck sexton, a former cia analyst and host of "the buck sexton show" and he joins us tonight. buck, thanks a lot for coming on. you've been following this really closely, you had an incisive breakdown of the coverage and so i want to put

these questions to you. as a claim number one. the migrant caravan we were told is mostly women and children who pose no threat to anybody. here's one example. wow of that claim. >> all of this were a group of people, a lot of whom who are mothers and children who pose no imminent threat to the united states. >> many of these individuals are women and children. >> tucker: oh, the talking point. remember it. was a true? >> no, in fact the vast majority of that mark what we would call military age males. these are guys mostly in their guides on my 20s and 30s. that was apparent, tucker. there's name is reporting that you would expect the people making an honest mistake and then there's a lot of journalists gather together because i have been talking to journalists all throughout this caravan's progression, and there has been this march applies. there've been some people telling the truth but only -- you go down there, and its guys, mostly guys. there are some women and children there but the focus is clearly dishonest parades we would of course. claim number two, the caravan, we were told, again, again, is e

asylum seekers seeking. >> these people are coming and asking for asylum. guess what? it's in our laws that people are allowed to come to our borders and ask for asylum. >> tucker: yeah, it is our fault for not welcoming them because they are sincere asylum-seekers. is that true? >> no, it's a scam. they know it's a scam based on the percentage of percentage individuals and the pastor of, tried to claim asylum in this way and the fact that they are being coached to live. this is actually a form of fraud. when you say that i am an m&a pair of my life because people along the way have said, this is what you have to say to get into the asylum process, you can later be adjudicated, you are lying to people in a vast majority of these cases. by the way, if just being from honduras, for example, means you are at the jakarta violence you could get asylum, then the whole country could qualify for asylum. this is a scam and people realize that now but then the media was pretending it doesn't. >> tucker: why doesn't the country qualify for asylum? i'm sure we will hear that it does.

claim number three, there are no criminals and the caravan. >> i spent two days with the caravan and i did not see criminals or rapists or terrace. >> stop saying they are monsters. they are more mothers than monsters. >> tucker: how do the dumb people get on tv? there are more mothers than monsters. >> an official statement from immigration and customs enforcement has about 600 known criminals, by the way, people that we are sure have a criminal record apart from trying to cross the border and perhaps throw some rocks at some federal agents, and oh, by the way, speaking with journalists early on in this, tucker, said they are pretty sure there are criminals because their whole bunch of guys covered in ms-13 tattoos, which are very prominent, who are marching along with the caravan, too. this was not from the beginning the people chose to focus on other things. >> tucker: where they ms-13 mothers not monsters, or were they men? >> i suppose that is possible but the media was trying to find a way to avoid the fact that there were bad folks and his group rates. when they were lying. claim number vocal, this comes from a former commander in

chief. the caravan does not matter. you are a bad person for worrying about it because the very far away. >> they are telling you that they are an existential threat to america is a bunch of poor refugees a thousand miles away. this group of folks, we don't even know where they are, they are way down there. >> tucker: they are way down there. we don't even know where they are, buck. >> buses and trains exist in mexico, which i think journalists know, especially journalists in mexico reporting on this but there was always this, well, it's going to take them forever to marge. now, by the way, with some help, they got on buses, trains, other modes of transportation, got to the border. if they were actually refugees as obama said, they should claim refugee status in the first country they arrive in, where they are no longer under mortal threat. mexico has offer them asylum, they said no because they are not refugees, they are just people that want to get to the front of the line for immigration. >> tucker: such a great point. jorge ramos of univision came on this program to present a claim number five that the caravan

received no external support. >> i know that there are fake stories in united states saying that these people were funded by george soros and by democrats and nicolas maduro from venezuela. if they really find out these people, it was a scam. i have been talking to people here who don't have a single dollar, tucker, to buy a bottle of water. so there is no financing here. >> tucker: no financing at all. by the way, you are a moral who claim otherwise. >> it's a lie. i talk to journalists who are seeing people who are handing out food, gathering donations together so they can buy food and equipment. when you got six, 7,000 people together, that is going to be a difficult logistical challenge. unless there are people who are there to provide support and there clearly are people providing support. so again, journalists wanted to know the stuff, some of them do but they just don't get as much air time on places like cnn and msnbc, they could wind up or they don't want to know, they just want to represent people getting teargas, mothers and children, if you don't like

this, you are a monster, the reality is is is a massive scam, there's a lot of outside help, and there are laws that are being broken. >> tucker: finally, we have a sixth claim, that deploying troops to the border was wrong, but it was also completely unnecessary. a "new york times" cartoonist put it, "troops sign up to fight in an obscure country in the middle east, not to guard their own countries border." kamala harris agreed with that. >> it is inappropriate to require the limited resources of united states military to be used in such a way, all because there needed to be some demonstration for the tv cameras based on the political agenda instead of what is the national security threat. >> tucker: so why are they in syria where they belong? >> also, why can't a senator harris call down to border patrol and say, or immigration and customs enforcement for that matter, do you think it's helpful? the answer is yes. i've spoken to border patrol and they say that a logistical

support that the military was given them was in fact very much-needed because the caravan was arriving and there were real concerns that they would try to overrun the border, which, tucker, is exactly what they did do. so we just had this progression of lies along the way. in every stage, it seems the media always gets it wrong on one direction and that is somehow, we are exaggerating this right when in fact we are underestimating the reality of how biggest problem is going to get to. >> tucker: a precise, fast baked summation and we are grateful for it. buck sexton, thank you very much. >> thank you can must be free. >> tucker: even msnbc has to admit that the caravan was on with weeks portraying ed as. watch this admission. >> the truth is, the majority of the people are part of this caravan, especially as i'd come if we can make away all the way over there, we'll show you, the majority of them are men. from what we have seen, the majority are actually men. some of these men have not articulated that need for asylum, instead, they have talked about coming to the united states for a better life and to find work.

>> tucker: and ricky acevedo as an anchor at univision and a frequent unwelcome guest on this show and he joins her tonight. thank you very much for coming on. so now that it's here and the facts on the ground are undeniable, can we stop lying and admit what is obviously true? this caravan is not primarily mothers and children, it's primarily men? >> i find it interesting, tucker, you are criticizing journalists for presenting a partial view of the caravan while you're doing the exact same thing. >> tucker: no, no, no. i'm criticizing them for lying. they are lying together as a group, reading the same talking points for the democratic national committee off a script in order to influence election, which is what they are trying to do. that is what i'm accusing them of doing. >> the caravan is not a monolithic group, tucker 8,000 different stories, a thousand different realities. according to the governments only numbers, 11, 12%, have any

criminal background. you are talking about a group of 600, among more than 8,000 people, so 90% of them, the majority of them have a legitimate claim to a silent prayer that is according to the homeland secretary of the united states, kirstjen nielsen. >> tucker: for one thing, i would say if 600 out of 8000 are "known criminals," that is a higher percentage than a cross-section of the american population. we are getting way more criminals per capita than we have -- >> they are not going to get in -- there asylum request will be denied. >> tucker: is a factual matter, this is what i'm talking about. just because you don't have a criminal record does not mean you are eligible for asylum. so please address buck sexton's, i thought very incisive point, that if you are seeking asylum, you are, by definition, required to ask for it in the first safe country you reach, where you don't face a mortal threat, and that was mexico. >> keyword being safe, not a

country where thousands of people are being killed every year actually. more than 500,000 people have been killed in mexico in the last decade or so. so it's not a safe country. >> tucker: oh, so that leads to my second question. that i knew you were going to say that. let me ask you the logical follow-up, which is, if mexico is so dangerous, that you could not take asylum there because you are in peril just by being in mexico, then why isn't the entire population of mexico eligible for asylum in the united states? >> this is the think i, tucker. you see the immigrants come of central american immigrants going across mexico, they are victims of extortion, raape, victims of murder, sometimes they are recruited by criminal gangs. that is why they're moving across mexico and a group because they know they have security -- >> tucker: i understand, they want to come here, we are a great country, i don't blame them. but i blame is the media, which has been lying relentlessly in e americans of things that aren't true. so let me ask you -- let me pin

you down here. you have said -- >> that's a fair criticism. >> tucker: mexico side, we will shelter you, -- >> we insist putting the label on the caravan and again, just framing this in absolutes -- >> tucker: hold on. advise the entire population of mexico, since you said it is too dangerous to live in, why aren't they all eligible for asylum in united states? a sincere question. >> is it obligated? of happy to -- >> tucker: it's not complicated. >> there are more than 130 million people in mexico. focusing mainly on bordering states with the u.s., and other parts of the country, so not 130 million are in peril but it is a dangerous country and it is a country where violence -- >> tucker: how many mexicans would you say -- if it is so dangerous, spitball ed ford, are eligible, under our asylum lawse united states? >> you should ask them the immigration judge a question and everyone should have the

chance -- >> tucker: everyone has a right to come here? >> they are the ones that are going to judge the merits of an asylum claim. >> tucker: when you refuse over generosity, we become less generous. >> to understand that there are nuances in his country. it is not just one country. >> tucker: [laughs] you are the one who told me it is all women and kids in strollers. you told me that. >> again, let's go back to the numbers. the official numbers, according to cdp, they are majority of the rest of the board are family units, women and children. >> tucker: that does not mean the majority of the caravan. it enrique come i hope you will come back, it is always a pleasure to talk to you. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: polls have just closed in mississippi, there was a special senate election in the state today, supposed to be an easy win for the republicans. we'll find out if that actually happened. also we just had a interview with the man currently at the center of the mueller pro become a man facing felony charges. we all have a reaction to that

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♪ >> tucker: we have a fox news alert for you, as we often do. the runoff in a special senate election in mississippi is ongoing. the polls have just closed. what can we expect when the ballots are counted? lisa boothe is a senior fellow at independent women's voice. she has been with us throughout the 2018 election season and she joins us again tonight. >> hi, tucker.

>> tucker: lisa, thank you for coming on. it's a little weird even to be thinking about a race in mississippi, as a statewide, because the results should be foregone because they are not, apparently. >> they aren't but i actually don't think it will end up being the competitive of a race and i will tell you why. the only reason why cindy hyde-smith did not get over 50 percent on november 6th was because there was another republican on the ballot, chris mcdaniel. he got 16.5% of that republican support. chris mcdaniel is not going to be on the ballot tonight. it is only going to be cindy hyde-smith versus the democrat, mike sb. you can easily see how cindy hyde-smith is going to win the election. if you look at the collective shares of the republican vote on november six, around 58% compared to the collective share of the democratic vote, around 42%. i think cindy hyde-smith wins tonight and a pretty healthy margin. >> tucker: to what extent do you think all the talk of this being a close election was hyped from the beginning? >> i think it was hyped, to be honest. i think it was journalists protecting and hoping it was

going to be a tight election. i don't think is going to be. maybe i'm wrong but i really honestly think cindy hyde-smith wins by a pretty sizable margin tonight. >> tucker: we haven't covered her much because i kind of agree with that. we will find out. >> we'll see if we are right, tucker. >> tucker: thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: is a molly american is being investigated for a possible hate crime after he allegedly tried to run over two men who were leaving a synagogue in los angeles. don't take the blame for mass violence most of the time but as of the latest attack shows, guns don't cause people to act violently, they can make it easier, but they are not the reason for violence. what is the reason? exactly? a professor at suffolk community college joins us tonight. professor, thank you very much for coming on. so lots of midweight over gun control, which is as i think it's interesting, we engage in a lock on the show, it is worth having. but it does not address what is actually happening. why are people doing this? >> because there is no mic either intellectually lazy or they are flat out lying. the numbers don't lie. if you look back about 50 years

ago, there was virtually no gun-control laws, they there were more households that had guns, and hardly any mass shootings. so you have to look at what a stranger in our society and you have to look at our culture and what is with the dehumanization and the loss of value of human life. if you look at it, and the 1990s, the late '90s, the intellectual mainstream -- we start to see the modern mass shooters. going to the 2000s, using social media emerge. not only do you see social media emerge, it becomes mainstream, you see an increase in mass shooting, you also see a 30% increase -- that is a cdc number -- are people committing suicide between the ages of ten to 34. that cdc numbers. so we have to look at social media and the internet as a whole, that is affecting our culture, changing our culture, and one of the problems is, we don't communicate human to human anymore. instead, it is human to machine to human. and we lose our empathy, we lose our compassion in our humanity. the internet was supposed to make us a community. what it's done is make a

strangers living amongst each other, and that is one of the big problems that we are seeing. we are more isolated than ever before, we see the rhetoric get extremely nasty, just go to any news article and look at the third, ten people are already calling each other names. they are not debating issues. one of the reason is we only seek out information that agrees with us. it agrees with our point of view and so when someone disagrees with us, we don't really know how to handle it anymore. >> tucker: so why -- i mean, what you are saying it so clearly true. i don't know to what extent it is causing the spike in violence but certainly, it is partly responsible for, but we never debated, no one ever mentions what you just said. why? >> because we try -- we always think that government may have an answer for us. we always back to the government and the government can solve our problem. what happens of the government can't solve the problem? what happens if our culture is changing, and a changing for the worst? i becomes a much more difficult situation. and that is what social media is creating, it's creating this environment where we are so isolated, you are seeing

anxiety, depression, skyrocket. that has been proven. studies have been done that social media is causing anxiety and depression increase. we are having more problems today than ever before. look at it, the technology was supposed to make our lives better. it was supposed to make our lives easier, and has made a more complex, and it's because we don't use it responsibly. we are human beings, we are flawed, therefore everything we touch is also flawed. that is the problem with social media that we are seeing. >> tucker: of course. thank you for adding to that conversation, which i think should increase. professor, thanks a lot. >> i appreciate it. >> tucker: three more americans have been killed in afghanistan. does anyone in washington even a lot happened? how long will america's longest war continue? notice it is rarely talked about what ought to be, and we will talk about it after the break. ♪ new create your own ultimate feast event! pick 4 of 10 favorites to create the ultimate feast

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american troops are still in afghanistan. it costs billions and billions of dollars, american lives are still in danger. some reports say the u.s. has given up on the prospect of a victory in that war, and yet it continues and americans are still dying. a reminder just yesterday, three more american soldiers killed in an attack that brings the death toll for the year to 12. american lives sometimes must be sacrificed for the sake of the nation, that is a sad truth, but is a high bar. does afghanistan meet that bar in 2018? douglas mcgregor is a former army colonel, author of the book "margin of victory" and he joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. simple question, does afghanistan meet that test? >> absolutely not right did not meet the test with ms first six months of staying in afghanistan. there was no reason for us to stay in that country. our principal interest was within a few hundred people subordinate to our friend usama bin laden. unfortunately, we want and come away change the mission, we turn it into a nation-building

proposition, and we have been there now for 17 years, lost $2 trillion, thousands of lives. but this is what the globalist elites on the hill wants. they are behind us, they and their lobby, and the globalist elite actually includes the senior ranks in the pentagon, as well as most of the people in the state department. there is enormous pressure on the president tuesday. >> tucker: right below the senior ranks, below combat tested colonels, for example, a group you know well, what percentage believe, do you think, that we should stay in afghanistan? >> first of all, i don't think any of them do. but the ones that want to be generals, or think they have a shot at being generals, will naturally provide you with all sorts of rationales. oh, well, isis is now they are. it's interesting how isis springs up like mcdonald's just about everywhere we go. then there are other reasons. special minerals, rare earths, if we leave, the chinese will harvest them. therefore, we have to stay. >> tucker: arthur chinese are ready harvesting them? >> not quite.

i'm sure they probably will. how long that will last is anybody's guess. we can go elsewhere. there is no particular reason why we should be in afghanistan for the purpose of that. that has nothing to do with the original intent. all this is part of keeping us engaged overseas and remember, it is the overseas commitments that are the basis for the enormous defense spending. take those commitments away, and the defense budget starts to decline precipitously. to be what i notice in bob woodward's book, really, the focus of a lot of the rage at trump stemmed from him questioning the wisdom of saint dominic staying in afghanistan. >> sure, especially from the people like jim mattis, dunforde senior officers, who had served over there, and how could we possibly leave? we are there. once there, we can never go. and of the rights, wherever the flag is being raised, we must r. if we leave, chaos will break out. actually, if we leave, iran, russia, india, pakistan, will

all have to become involved, and that is fine. let them become involved. >> tucker: colonel douglas mcgregor, always a voice of clarity. thank you. we just spoke to a man who is currently at the very center of the mueller investigation facing imminent felony charges. he is 72 years old. he says he cannot remember the email he forwarded that may send him to prison. will america be any safer if he is behind bars? we'll get a response from a progressive viewer after this. we'll also clone a film monitoring the election results in mississippi. a senate ross matt grace. a call for that race just ahead. ♪ but that cough looks pretty bad... try this new robitussin honey. the real honey you love... plus the powerful cough relief you need. mind if i root through your trash? new robitussin honey. because it's never just a cough. (honking) when your craving strikes, you need your wing nut.

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♪ >> tucker: quickly because i can't resist asking because i think the human cost is worth

knowing about, what does this cost to? >> oh, it's going to be just to get started, a couple hundred thousand dollars. it bankruptcy very quickly. the special prosecutors blow you up, they do this, what i call, perjury trap. it is really, they ask you a question, they have material they won't show you, you have forgotten about her, they say, you just lied because this email you forgot about in 2016 proves your current memory is wrong. i mean, it's a memory test. >> tucker: that was author jerome corsi. he's at 72 years old. earlier this year, the mueller investigation asking for his laptop and has gone and he complied, he voluntarily gave both for the prosecutors. they ask him about a series of questions about emails he had sent and in one case, he said he forgot that he had forwarded an email two years ago. the mueller people whipped around and accused him of perjury and directed to charge him with a felony.

jerome corsi is looking at two years behind bars for that. the question is, is america any safer for it? chris hahn is a progressive radio show host and former aide to senator chuck schumer and he joins us tonight. chris, thanks a lot for coming on. i think both of us agreed at the outset a couple of years ago that the allegation is a serious one, that if the russian government tried to subvert our election a democracy, i was also finding out if that was true. here we are at the other end of the process, jerome corsi, whose politics i'm sure you disagree with, but it's irrelevant. 72 years old, he's facing prison time because he did not remember forwarding an email two years ago. so you tell me with a straight face how that protects me or anybody else in this country? >> we don't really know what he's being accused of lying for. we only know his side of the story. we'll soon hear from the special counsel and we all know exactly what he is really being accused of and what has really gone on here. if it was a simple misdirection are missed memory upon his

point, it would not be perjury. perjury has to be relevant to the case at hand and intentional. a lot of people are saying it's a perjury trap, there is no perjury trap. you intentionally lied about something that is relevant. >> tucker: if i got a hold of your phone and your laptop, and i say come i have every communication that you sent and received two years ago, and i will ask you questions about an email that you forwarded two years ago -- you are 72 years old -- and you don't remember -- >> the president is 74? we shouldn't be worried about the memories of 72 euros -- >> tucker: i'm not attacking older people. i can't remember what emails i forwarded two years ago. is not a felony if i can't remember. if you suddenly charge a man with a felony because he can't or member forwarding an email, i don't offers a perjury trap are not but it's totally immoral. the point of this is protecting america from a foreign power. >> i'm an attorney, okay? if you forget about an email, that is not perjury. if you intentionally lie about a

material email, that is perjury. forgetting about something that might have happened two years ago, that sounds all, oh, i'm just an old man i can't remember, no, it has got to be a material lie about something that is relevant. >> tucker: okay, but that is an objective description. you can know whether it was intentional or not. take three steps back. the point of this investigation is to determine whether or not the russian government attacked our elections. >> writes. >> tucker: there is no allegation that jerome corsi had communication with the russian government or julian assange. they have a communications, he voluntarily gave them over. why are they charging him with a real crime, like helping a foreign power or the united states? or leave them alone? like, what is this? i'm serious. >> vermont i read about his case today and through last couple of days that he's been in the medi, it appears to me that he was somehow being used by roger stone to somehow provide an alibi for roger stone's actions. i think it all leads back to

stone. >> tucker: whatever. look, i'm just saying in the case of jerome corsi, who was a real human being, who's lived in this country for 72 years, his life has been destroyed by this investigation. add to my question is, for what? what did he do that hurt this country that would justify destroying his life, bankrupting him, making him unemployable, wrecking him at the age of 72? is a real question! >> if he participated in this crime, which is the russian interfering with our election, he should be prosecuted for whatever he did. >> tucker: not by some creepy partisan prosecutor. >> you are looking for it through a very partisan lens because the man served multiple presidents -- >> tucker: i'm the least partisan person you've ever met. i don't even like the republicans. i just don't want to see an american destroyed for anything. >> i don't either. but i think that -- look. if it was relevant and material, he intended to lie, then he should be prosecuted. >> tucker: man, i hope i never have to face that.

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twitter was on the case. one social media user said by throwing a western theme party, hart was celebrating genocide, white supremacy and slavery. he doesn't look like a white supremacist but neither does kanye west and twitter calls him one too. we'll be back tomorrow, 8:00 p.m., the show that's the enemy of lying and pugness. sean hannity right now. >> sean: as always, welcome to hannity. this is a fox news alert. polls are closed across mississippi. we are currently monitoring the results out of what will be the last senate seat to be decided. we hope to make that call during this hour. we hope you stay tuned. big news as it relates to the mueller witch hunt. we are going to show you how two individuals are literally standing up to mueller's coercion and what we call lie tactics. we'll expose a fake story accusing paul manafort of having secret meetings with julian assange. nothing more