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the government of russia. two years in, its main achievements, so far, are the financial destruction of several enemies of the political left,hi and the prosecuting of crimes that did not exist before the investigation was created.re now the latest in the crosshairs of the mueller investigation is refusing to go down meekly. jerome corsi, in 60 seconds he will join us to tell you what he has gone through himself.us first, trace gallagher joins us with new information he just learned a short time ago. trace? >> tucker, court documents show that jerome corsi, associate oft trump confidant robert stone,en began speaking with special counsel prosecutors on september 6th this year where corsi was first questioned about then shown an email in which roger stone asked him in july oa 2016 to "get to julian assange at ecuadorian embassy in london and get the pending wikileaks emails." corsi claims he declined the request by roger stone, saying that any attempt to contact wikileaks could put them in

investigators' cross hairs. but robert mueller's team believes that corsi lied and instead of turning down roger stone's request, he personally passed it along to someone in london, and eight days later on august 2nd, 2016, corsi sent an email to roger stone saying, wikileaks possessing information damaging to hillary clinton's campaign and plan to release it in october, quoting again, "time to let more than podesta to be exposed as "in bed with enemy" if they are not ready to drop hillary rodham clinton. that appears to be the game o hackers are now about. wikileaks released john podesta's hacked emails on november 7th, 2017, hours after the "access hollywood" tape went public where donald trump bragged about groping women. special counsel wants to know if there was coordination between roger stone and julian assange about when to release podesta's damaging emails.op jerome corsi says he did not have insider information. instead, he did his homework,

connected the dots, and theorized that assange had podesta's emails. roger stone just told "tucker carlson tonight," "none of the emails cited prove i had advanced notice of the sources or content of either allegedly s hacked or allegedly stolen emails published by wikileaks. when did political gossip become a criminal activity?" stone also says his friend corsi is being harassed by the special counsel, not for lying, but for refusing to lie. tucker? b >> tucker: thanks a lot, trace. appreciate that. so let's boil this down to its essence. jerome corsi is 72 years-old. he has a phd in political science from harvard. he's written two "new york times" best sellers about politics.en jerome corsi is the kind of person who could and probably should be happily retired by now. instead, as you just heard, he is facing potential in all

felony charges from robert mueller. how did this happen? earlier this year, thehe independent counsel subpoenaed corsi and seized his laptop and personal phone. it had all of his communications. they know exactly what he said and did not say. in september, corsi was summonei to an interview with prosecutors. they asked him if he had ever tried to broker a meeting with julian assange in london. of course, he responded, no, "i didn't want anyone to see assange." the prosecutors left the room to confer after corsi said that. they returned and informed jerome corsi that he had just committed a felony. on corsi's laptop was an email chain from more than two years before in which he had been asked to contact assange. as you just heard, corsi forwarded that email to somebody else. nothing ever came of any of this, and again the independent counsel would know because they had corsi's laptop and phone.ha they know that corsi never left the united states, and never spoke to julian assange. corsi said he forgot all about forwarding the email. for the crime of forgetting that he forwarded that email, he is facing bankruptcy and imprisonment..

so ask yourself this question: how would any of us fair under this sting? how would robert mueller fare under the same standard he set up for jerome corsi? robert mueller is 74 years-old. what if the next special prosecutor seized his personal computer and interrogated him about every email he ever sent or forwarded going back years? he'd probably be able to remember some of it, but all of it? to the letter? keep in mind, the slightest mistake would mean prison time. would that be justice? or would it be its opposite? jerome corsi would know first hand and he joins us tonight. mr. corsi, thank you very much for coming on. o >> my pleasure, tucker, thank you. >> tucker: you are not under oath, so our viewers will have to assess the accuracy of what you say. but before we get to your interactions with the mueller investigation, just the basics. have you ever had contact with julian assange? >> no, i've never met julian assange, never spoken c with him, never emailed him.an

i've had no contact with julian assange whatsoever. >> tucker: have you ever had contact with russian intelligence or subverted -- knowingly subverted -- the interest of your own country? >> absolutely not. i've been a loyal american, iit had no contacts with russian intelligence, i have no business interest in russia, i have nothing to do with russia. i've neveruc been to russia. >> tucker: so tell me if i summarized what happened to you accurately. the special counsel's office gets a hold of your personal computer and your phone. they've got all the records, all the data, and they start asking you about things they already know, and they ask you, have you ever try to broker a meeting with assange? you don't remember forwarding this email, they come back and say, bingo, you just committed a felony. is that what happened? >> it's even worse. first of all, i offered -- i gave my computer to the special counsel, i gave them my cell phone. i gave them all of my email accounts. i gave them everything they wanted, my twitter accounts, i

signed permission and handed all this over.er now on the first day when i was interviewed, i didn't remember that email. now the special counsel came in and blew up and they actually sent me home and gave me an opportunity to review the emails. when i came back, i amended the. testimony to say that i now remember the email. the special counsel was happyma with that until i couldn't give them what they wanted. which was a connection that i had with assange, which they assumed i had, which i didn't have. now suddenly, they forgot they allowed me to amend my testimone and they are going back to the mistake i made, day one, when i forgot the emails. so really, i think, ity is completely fraudulent, the charge that they were trying to get me to plead to. and i refused to plead to a lie. >> tucker: i'm a little confused here. is there anything that you withheld from them?

you said you gave them access to everything.th to all of your communications. if you had direct contact with julian assange, or with someone else out contact with assange, they would already know that, wouldn't they? >> i would think so. i gave them everything voluntarily. i have a time machine on that computer, which recorded everything precisely and kept it in k the time machine, back to 2015. the computer broke in 2018 but i gave it, i kept it -- i voluntarily gave them the 17-inch apple laptop and the time machine. i gave them my cell phone. i signed over permission for all of my emails, gave them the usernames and passwords. i allowed them to see myte twitter, i even helped quantico download my twitter ano my google accounts. i sent over verizon accounts. everything they wanted, i had nothing to hide. i gave it to them immediately. t for having forgotten on day one because i had not reviewed theus email, this particular email, i

am now being charged with willfully and knowingly giving false information, which is nonsense. i never willingly and falsely gave false information. i intended always to tell the truth. my memory was not perfect. >> tucker: right. let me just say, if you deleted emails, presumably, the special counsel would have the ability to retrieve those emails. so they would know, i think, what your communications were.y i've read accounts in the press, i read one in "the washington monthly," a liberal magazine, saying t that you deserve to go to prison because you have expressed views that they don't like. do you think that your political views are playing a role in the decision of the special counsel to charge you with a felony? >> yes, i think -- also, by the way, they accused me of deletinn emails and i told them they restored the emails i supposedly deleted through the time machine. this is a political witch hunt. because i did not have a contact with assange, but yet had

figured out that assange had podesta's emails, i figured it out and told roger stone and told many people in august, and it just happened that i was right. the prosecutor said that we will not believe on your 25th wedding anniversary to italy with your wife and family, you had divine inspiration and god told you podesta had assange's emails. i said, i don't know if i want to put it that crassly but i did figured out and i connected the dots, and you just won't believe i figured it out. >> tucker: quickly, because i can't resist>> asking because i think the human cost is worth knowing about, what does this cost you? >> it is going to be just to get started a couple hundred thousand dollars. i mean, it bankrupts you very quickly. and the special prosecutors blow you up, they do this what i call perjury trap, it is really --

they ask you a question, they have material they want to show you, you have forgotten about it, they say, you just lied because this email you forgot about in 2016 proves your current memory is wrong. it's a memory test. then they accuse you of lying. it's completely rigged and it's politically-driven by clinton operatives who have an agenda. if you can't give them -- roger is right -- if you can't give a them what they are looking for to fill their narrative, they blow you up and charge you with a crime. >> tucker: i think the public to see what is happening. i'm grateful you came on to explain. thank you, jerome corsi. >> thank you. >> tucker: you have learned a lot of things on television recently about the migrant caravan in the past month. how much of it wound up being true?lo we are going to compare what we know now that the facts are in against what we have been told about for weeks and weeks. plus the polls have just closed in mississippi. the special senate election there, we are monitoring it, and we will have the results right here just ahead. here just ahead. ♪ (burke) parking splat. and we covered it.

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the migrant caravan will be mostly forgotten even if the border crisis remains unresolved. the public, the press, the president likely, too, will have moved on. we want to pause for a moment before that happens, and it will inevitably happen, and look bac, and consider how this story was handled by the press. because we think it matters.s. the story evolved rapidly and the media's official story evolved just as rapidly. but were their descriptions about what was happening factually on the ground true?n tonight we want to investigate that. this is not a partisan question, by the way. it is about the future of the country. for a free society to function, the press does not have to be perfect, but it does have to be better than ape propaganda outl. are they? let's break it down with buck sexton, a former cia analyst and host of "the buck sexton show" and he joins us tonight. buck, thanks a lot for coming on.ns you've been following this really closely, you had an incisive breakdown of the coverage and so i want to put these questions to you. this is claim number one.

the migrant caravan we were told is mostly women and children who pose no threat to anybody. here's one example of that claim. m >> all of this for a group of people, a lot of whom who are mothers and children, whone pose no imminent threat to the united states. >> many of these individuals are women and children. >> tucker: oh, the talking point. remember it. was it true? >> no, in fact the vast majority of them are what we would call military-age males. these are guys mostly in their 20s and 30s. that was apparent, tucker. there is the misreporting that you wouldhe expect from people making an honest mistake, and then there's a lot of journalists gather together, because i have been talking to journalists all throughout this caravan's progression, and there has been this march of lies. there've been some people telling the truth but only -- you go down there, and its guys, mostly guys. there are some women and children there but the focus is clearly g dishonest. >> tucker: of course. claim number two, the caravan,

we were told again and again, is mostly comprised of genuine asylum seekers seeking refuge in the u.s. >> these people are. coming and asking for asylum. guess what? it's in our laws that people are allowed to come to our borders and ask for asylum. >> tucker: yeah, it is our fault for not welcoming them because they are sincere asylum-seekers. is that true? >> no, it's a scam. people know it's a scam based on the percentage of individuals in the past and tried to claim asylum in this way and the fact that they are being coached to lie. this is actually a form of fraud. when you say that i am in imminent fear for my life because people along the way have said, this is what you have to say to get into the asylum process, you can later be adjudicated, you are lying to people in a vast majority of these cases. by the way, if just being from honduras, for example, means you are in such a threat of violence you could get asylum, then the whole country could qualify for asylum. this is a scam and people realize that now, but the media was pretending it doesn't. >> tucker: why doesn't the country qualify for asylum? i'm sure we will hear that it

does. claim number three, there are no criminals in the caravan. >> i spent two days with the caravan and i did not see criminals or rapists or terrorists. >> stop saying they are monsters. there are more mothers than monsters.he >> tucker: how do the dumb people get on tv? there are more mothers than monsters. o >> an official statement fromm immigration and customs enforcement says about 600 knowy criminals, by the way, people that we are sure have a criminal record apart from trying to cross the border and perhaps throw some rocks at some federal agents, and oh, by the way, speaking with journalists early eaon in this, tucker, said they are pretty sure there are criminals because their whole bunch of guys covered in ms-13nc tattoos, which are very prominent, who are marching along with the caravan, too. this was known from the beginning the people chose tos, focus on other things. >> tucker: were they ms-13 mothers not monsters, or were they men? >> i suppose that is possible but the media was trying to find a way to avoid the fact that there were bad folks in this group. >> tucker: they wereks lying. claim number four, this comes from a former commander in chief.

the caravan does not matter. and you are a bad person for worrying about it because they are very far away.y. >> they are telling you that the existential threat to america is a bunch of poor refugees a thousand miles away. this group of folks, we don't even know where they are, they are way down there. >> tucker: they are way down there! we don't even know where they are, buck. >> buses and trains exist in mexico, which i think journalists know, especially journalists in mexico reporting on this but there was always this, well, it's going to take them forever to march. no, by the way, with some help, they got on buses, trains, other modes of transportation, got to the border. if they were actually refugees as obama said, they should claim refugee status in the first country they arrive in, where they are no longer under mortal threat. mexico has offered them asylum, they said no because they are not refugees, they are just people that want to get to the front of the line for immigration. >> tucker: such a great point. jorge ramos of univision came oo this program to present a claim number five that the caravan received no external support.

>> i know that there are fake stories in united states saying that these people were funded by george soros and by democrats and nicolas maduro from venezuela.e if they really financed these people, it was a scam. i've been talking to people here who don't have a single dollar, tucker, to buy a bottle of water. so there is no financing here. >> tucker: no financing at all. by the way, you are immoral if you claim otherwise. >> it's a lie. i've talked to journalists who are seeing people who are handing out food, gathering donations together so they can buy food and equipment. when you got six, 7,000 people together, that is going to be a difficult logistical challenge unless there are people who are there to provide support and there clearly are people providing support. so again, if journalists wanted to know the stuff, some of them do but they just don't get as much air time on places like cns and msnbc, they could find out

but they don't want to know, they just want to represent people getting tear gassed, mothers andry " children, if you don't like this, you are a monster, the reality is it's a massive scam, there's a lot of outside help, and there are laws that are being broken. >> tucker: finally, we have the sixth claim, that deploying troops to the border was wrong, but it was also completely unnecessary. a "new york times" cartoonist put it, "troops sign up to fight in an obscure country in the middle east, not to guard their own country's border." kamala harris agreed with that. t tt is inappropriate to require the limited resources of united states military to be used in such a way, all because there needed to be some demonstration for the tv cameras based on a political agenda instead of what is a national security threat.is >> tucker: so why aren't they in syria where they belong? >> also, why can't a senator harris call down to border patrol and say, or immigration and customs enforcement for that matter, do you think it's helpful? the answer is yes. i've spoken to border patrol and they say that the logistical

support that the military has given them was in fact very much needed because the caravan was arriving and there were read concerns that they would try to overrun the border, which, tucker, is exactly what they did do. so we just had this progression of lies all along the way. in every stage, it seems the media always gets it wrong in one direction and that is somehow, we are exaggerating this right when in fact we are underestimating the reality of how biggest problem is going to get.t >> tucker: a precise, fact-based summation and we are grateful for it. buck sexton, thank you very much. >> thank you can must be free. >> tucker: even msnbc had to admit that the caravan wasn'tyy what the left spent weeks portraying it as. watch this admission. >> the truth is, the majority of the people are part of this caravan, especially outside, if we can make away all the way over there, we'll show you, the majority of them are men. from what we have seen, the majority are actually men. some of these men have not articulated that need for asylum, instead, they have talked about coming to the united states for a better life and to find work.

>> tucker: enrique acevedo is an anchor at univision and a frequent and welcome guest on this show and he joins us tonight. thank you very much for coming on. so now that it's here and the facts on the ground are undeniable, can we stop lying and admit what is obviously true? this caravan is not primarily mothers and children, it's a primarily men. >> i find it interesting, tucker, that you are criticizing journalists for presenting a partial view of the caravan while you're doing the exact same thing. >> tucker: no, no, no. i'm criticizing them for lying. they are lying together as a group, reading the same talking points for the democratic national committee off a script in order to influence an election, which is what they are trying to do. that is what i'm accusing them of doing. >> the caravan is not a monolithic group, tucker. 8,000 different stories, a thousand different realities. own numbers, less 10% have any criminal background.

you are talking about a group of 600, among more than 8,000 people, so 90% of them, the majority of them, have a legitimate claim for asylum. that is according to the homeland secretary of the united states, kirstjen nielseni >> tucker: for one thing, i would say if 600 out of 8,000 are "known criminals," that is a higher percentage than a cross-section of the american population. we are getting way more criminals per capita than we have -- >> they are not going to get in -- there asylum request will be denied. >> tucker: as a factual matter, this is what i'm talking about. hold on. just because you don't have a criminal record does not mean you are eligible for asylum. so please address buck sexton's, i thought very incisive, point that if you are seeking asylum,, you are, by definition, required to ask for it in the first safe country you reach, where you don't face a mortal threat, and that was mexico.op

>> keyword being "safe," not a country where thousands ofye people are being killed every year actually. more than 500,000 people have been killed in mexico in the last decade or so. so it's not a safe country. >> tucker: oh, so that leads to my second question. i knew you were going to say that. let me ask you the logical follow-up, which is, if mexico is so dangerous that you could not seek asylum there because you are in peril just by being in mexico, then why isn't the entire population of mexico eligible for asylum in the united states? >> this is the thing, tucker. you see the immigrants, central american immigrants going across mexico, they are victims of extortion, rape, victims of murder, sometimes they are recruited by criminal gangs. that is why they're moving across mexico in a group because they know they have strength and security -- >> tucker: i understand, they want to come here, we are a great country, i don't blame them. what i blame is the media, which has been lying relentlessly in

an effort to convince americans of things that aren't true. so let me ask you -- let me pin you down here. you have said -- >> that's a fair criticism.ortr >> tucker: mexico said we will shelter you -- >> you insist on putting the label on the caravan and again, just framing this in absolutes -- >> tucker: hold on. why isn't the entire population of mexico, since you said it is too dangerous to live in, whyyng aren't they all eligible for asylum in united states? sincere question. >> it's a complicated question but i'm happy to -- >> tucker: it's not complicated. >> there are more than 130 million people in mexico. violence is focused mainly on bordering states with the u.s., and other parts of the country, so not 130 million are in peril but it is a dangerous country and it is a country where violence -- >> tucker: how many mexicans would you say -- if it is so dangerous, spitball it for me -- are eligible, under our asylum laws, to come to the united states? >> you should ask an immigration judge thatou question and everye

should have the chance -- >> tucker: everyone has a right toan come here?he everyone does. >> they are the ones that are going to judge the merits of an asylum claim. >> tucker: when you abuse our generosity, we become less generous. >> to understand that there are nuances in his country. it is not just one country. >> tucker: [laughs] you are the one who told me it is all women and kids in strollers. you told me that. >> again, let's go back to the numbers. the official numbers, according to cbp, they are majority of the arrests at the border are family units, women and children. >> tucker: that does not mean the majority of the caravan. enrique, i hope you will come back, it is always a pleasure to talk to you. >> thanks for having me.ea >> tucker: polls have just closed in mississippi, there was a special senate election in the state today, supposed to be an easy win for the republicans. we'll find out if that actually happened. also we just had an interview with the man currently at the center of the mueller probe, a man facing felony charges. we'll have a reaction to that interview just ahead. - in a crossfit gym, we're really engaged

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coming on. it's a little weird even to be thinking about a race in mississippi as statewide, because the results should be foregone because they are not, apparently. >> they aren't but i actually don't think it will end up being the competitive of a race and i will tell you why. i the only reason why cindy hyde-smith did not get over 50% on november 6th was because there was another republican on the ballot, chris mcdaniel. he got 16.5% of that republican support. chris mcdaniel is not going to be on the ballot tonight.ng it is only going to be cindy hyde-smith versus the democrat, mike espy. you can easily see how cindy hyde-smith is going to win the election. if you look at the collective share of the republican vote onn november 6th, around 58% compared to the collective share of the democratic vote, around 42%. i think cindy hyde-smith wins tonight in pretty healthy margins. >> tucker: to what extent do you think all the talk of this

being a close election was hyped from the beginning? >> i think it was hyped, to be honest. i think it was journalists protecting and hoping it was going to be a tight election. i don't think is going to be. maybe i'm wrong but i really honestly think cindy hyde-smith wins by a pretty sizable margin tonight. >> tucker: we haven't covered it much because i kind of agreer with that. we will find out. >> we'll see if we are right, tucker. >> tucker: thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: a somali-american is being investigated for a possible hate crime after he allegedly tried to run over two men who were leaving a synagogue in los angeles. guns take the blame for mass violence most of the time but as the latest attack shows, guns don't cause people to act violently, they can make it easier, but they are not the reason for violence. what is the reason exactly? nicholas giordano, a professor at suffolk community college, joins us tonight. professor, thank you very much for coming on.or so lost in the debate over gun control, which is i think it's interesting, we engage in a lock on the show, it is worth having. but it does not address what is actually happening. why are people doing this? >> because they are either intellectually lazy or they are flat out lying. the numbers don't lie. if you look back about 50 years ago, there was virtually no

gun-control laws, they there were more households that had guns, and hardly any mass shootings.y so you have to look at what has changed in our society and you have to look at our culture and what is with the dehumanization and the loss of value of human life. if you look at it, in the 1990s, the late '90s, the intellectual mainstream -- we start to see the modern mass shooters. going to the 2000s, using social media emerge. not only do you see social media emerge, it becomes mainstream, d you see an increase in mass shooting, you also see a 30% increase -- that is a cdc number -- of people committing suicide between the ages of ten to 34.e that's cdc numbers. so we have to look at social media and the internet as a whole as affecting our culture, changing our culture, and one of the problems is, we don't communicate human to human anymore.. instead, it is human to machine to human. and we lose our empathy, we lose our compassion in our humanity.

the internet was supposed to make us a community. what it's done is make us strangers living amongst each other, and that is one of the big problems that we are seeing. we are more isolated than ever before, we see the rhetoric get extremely nasty, just go to any news article and look at the third, and people are already calling each other names. they are not debating issues. one of the reasons is we only seek out information that agrees with us. it agrees with our point of view and so when someone disagrees with us, we don't really know how to handle it anymore. >> tucker: so why -- i mean, what you are saying it so clearly true. i don't know to what extent it is causing the spike in violence but certainly, it is partly responsible for, but we never debate it, no one ever mentions what you just said. why?lw >> because we try -- we always think that government may have an answer for us.e we always point to the government and the government can solve our problem. what happens if the government can't solve the problem? what happens if our culture is changing, and it's changing for the worst?t that becomes a much more

difficult situation. and that is what social media is creating, it's creating this environment where we are so isolated, you are seeing anxiety, depression skyrocket. that has been proven.se studies have been done that social media is causing anxiety and depression increase. we are having more problems today than ever before. look at it, the technology was supposed to make our lives better. it was supposed to make ourupve lives easier, it has made it more complex, and it's because we don't use it responsibly. we are human beings, we are flawed, therefore everything we touch is also flawed. that is there problem with social media that we are seeing. >> tucker: of course. thank you for adding to thatke conversation, which i think should increase. professor, thanks a lot. >> i appreciate it. >> tucker: three more americans have been killed in afghanistan. does anyone in washington even know that happened? how long will america's longest war continue? notice it is rarely talked about but ought to be, and we will talk about it after the i break. t ready to get your feast on? you better be 'cause it's red lobster's new create your own ultimate feast event! pick 4 of 10 favorites to create the ultimate feast

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of dollars. american lives are still in danger. some reports say the u.s. hasre given up on the prospect of a victory in that war, and yet it continues and americans are still dying. a reminder just yesterday, three more american soldiers killed in an attack. that brings the death toll for the year to 12. american lives sometimes must br sacrificed for the sake of the nation, that is a sad truth, but it is a high bar. does afghanistan meet that bar in 2018? douglas mcgregor is a formerat army colonel, author of the book "margin of victory" and he joins us tonight. colonel, thank you for coming on. simple question, does afghanistan meet that test? >> absolutely not. it didn't meet the test within the first six months of staying in afghanistan. there was no reason for us toxin stay in that country. our principal interest was within a few hundred people subordinate to our friend osama bin laden.

unfortunately, we want and come away change the mission, we turned it into a nation-building proposition, and we have been there now for 17 years, lost $2 trillion, thousands of lives. but this is what the globalist elite on the hill wants. w they are behind this, they and their lobby, and the globalist elite actually includes the senior ranks in the pentagon, as well as most of the people in the state department. there is enormous pressure on the president to stay. >> tucker: right below the senior ranks, below combat-tested colonels, for example, a group you know well, what percentage believe, do youp think, that we should stay in afghanistan? >> first of all, i don't think any of them do. but the ones that want to be generals, or think they have a shot at being generals, will naturally provide you with all sorts of rationales. oh, well, isis is now here. it's interesting how isis springs up like mcdonald's just about everywhere we go. then there are other reasons. r special minerals, rare earths, if we leave the chinese will harvest them.ta therefore, we have to stay.

>> tucker: aren't chinese already harvesting them? >> not quite. i'm sure they probably will.il how long that will last is anybody's guess. but we can go elsewhere. there is no particular reason why we should be in afghanistan for the purpose of that. that has nothing to do with the original intent. all of this is part of keeping us engaged overseas and remember, it is the overseas commitments that are the basisng for the enormous defense spending. take those commitments away, and the defense budget starts to decline precipitously. >> tucker: i noticed in bob woodward's book, really, the focus of a lot of the rage at trump stemmed from him questioning the wisdom of staying in afghanistan. >> sure, especially from the s people like mattis, dunford, the senior officers, who had served over there, and how could we possibly leave? we're there. once there, we can never go. in other words, wherever the flag has been raised, we must remain in perpetuity. if we leave, chaos will break out. actually, if we leave, iran, russia, india, pakistan, will all have to become involved, and

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>> tucker: quickly, because i can't resist asking because i think the human cost is worth knowing about, what does this cost you?in

>> oh, it's going to be just to get started a couple hundred thousand dollars. it bankrupts you very quickly. the special prosecutors blow you up, they do this, what i call a perjury trap. it is really -- they ask you a question, they have material they won't show you, you have forgotten about it, theyri say, you just lied because this email you forgot about in 2016 proves your current memory is wrong. i mean, it's a memory test. >> tucker: that was author jerome corsi. he's 72 years-old. earlier this year, the mueller investigation asked him for his laptop and his phone and he complied, he voluntarily gave both to the prosecutors. they asked him about a series of questions about emails he had sent and in one case, he said he forgot that he had forwarded an email two years ago. the mueller people whipped around and accused him of perjury and threatened to charge him with a felony.th

jerome corsi is looking at years behind bars for that. the question is, is america any safer for it? chris hahn is a progressive radio show host and former aide to senator chuck schumer and he joins us tonight. chris, thanks a lot for coming on. i think both of us agreed at thh outset a couple of years ago that the allegation is a serious one, that the russian government tried to subvert our election and democracy, i was all for finding out if that was true. here we are at the other end of the process, jerome corsi, whose politics i'm sure you disagree with, but it's irrelevant. 72 years-old, he's facing prison time because he didn't remember forwarding an email two years ago. so you tell me with a straight face how that protects me or anybody else in this country? >> well, we don't really know what he's being accused of lying for. we only know his side of the story. we'll soon hear from the special counsel and we all know exactly what he is really being accused of and what has really gone on here. if it was a simple misdirectionn

or mismemory upon his point, it wouldn't be perjury. perjury has to be relevant to the case att' hand and intentional. t a lot of people are saying it's a perjury trap, there is no perjury trap. you intentionally lied about something that is relevant. >> tucker: if i got a hold of your phone and your laptop, and i say, i have every communication that you sent and received two years ago,iv and i will ask you questions about an email that you forwarded two years ago -- you are 72 years- old -- and you don't remember -- >> the president is 74. we shouldn't be worried about the memories of 72-year-olds -- >> tucker: i'm not attacking older people. i can't remember what emails i forwarded two years ago. it's not a felony if i can't remember. if you suddenly charge a man't with a felony because he can't remember forwarding an email, i don't know if it's a perjury trap or not but it's totally immoral!t the point of this is protecting america from a foreign power. how does that protect us? >> i'm an attorney, okay? if you forget about an email, that is not perjury.

if you intentionally lie about a material email, that is perjury. forgetting about something that might have happened two years ago, that sounds all, "oh, i'm just an old man, i can't't remember" -- no, it has got to be a material lie about something that is relevant. >> tucker: okay, but that is a subjective description.er you can't know whether it was intentional or not. take three steps back. the point of this investigation is to determine whether or not the russian government attacked our elections. >> right. >> tucker: there is no allegation that jerome corsi had communication with the russiansi government or julian assange. they have communications, he voluntarily gave them over. why aren't they charging him with a real crime, like helping a foreign power or the united states or leave them alone? like, what is this? i'm serious.y >> from what i read about his case today andde through last couple of days that he's been in the media, it appears to me that he was somehow being used by roger stone to somehow provide

an alibi for roger stone's actions. i think it all leads back to stone. >> tucker: whatever. look, i'm just saying in the case of jerome corsi, who is a real human being, who's lived in this country for 72 years, his life has been destroyed by this investigation.at and my question is, for what? what did he do that hurt this country that would justify destroying his life, bankrupting him, making him unemployable,im wrecking him at the age of 72? it's a real question! >> if he participated in this crime, which is the russians interfering with our election, he should be prosecuted for whatever he did. >> tucker: not by some creepy partisan prosecutor!er >> it is hard to look at mueller as a partisan prosecutor. you are looking through a very partisan lens because the man served multiple presidents --ee >> tucker: i'm the least partisan person you've ever met. i don't even like the republicans. i just don't want to see an american destroyed for nothing. >> i don't either. but i think that -- look, if it was relevant and material, he intended to lie, then he should be prosecuted. >> tucker: man, i hope i never

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theme birthday party to celebrate. you know what that means? he is secret racist. twitter was on the case. one social media user said by throwing a western theme party, hart was "celebrating genocide, white supremacy, and slavery." he doesn't look like a white supremacist but neither does kanye west and twitter calls him one, too. amazing. we'll be back tomorrow, 8:00 they show that is a sworn enemy of lying, the pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. sean hannity right now. >> sean: as always, welcome to "hannity." this is a fox news alert. polls are closed across mississippi. we are currently monitoring the results out of what will be the last senate seat to be decided. we hope to make that call during this hour. we hope you stay tuned. big news as it relates to the mueller witch hunt. we are going to show you how two individuals are literally standing up to mueller's coercion and what we call lie tactics. we'll expose a fake story accusing paul manafort of having secret meetings with julian assange. nothing more than a conspiracy theory