you think it's time to abandon the role we played? in here to tell you that is a bad call. there was part of the message that was delivered to the senators. >> sandra: the camera and the microphone, certainly we will be hearing from secretary pompeo shortly. that continued coverage will be happening on speethirty five. thing's for joining us here at america's newsroom. good to be with you. we will see you here tomorrow morning. outnumbered speethirty five sta. >> melissa: fox news alert as bill and sandra just mentioned, we are waiting for marks of secretary of state pompeo. is there a microphone to see right there. following his briefing of the full senate. pompeo and defense secretary james mattis updating senators on u.s.-saudi relations, and the killing of jamaal khashoggi. a bipartisan group of lawmakers is pushing for stronger u.s. response to the murder of "the washington post" columnist. we are monitoring this, we will bring you any updates as it happens.

another fox news alert, we are watching the floor of the u.s. senate were three senators will again attempt to force a vote on legislation to protect special counsel robert mueller comps to various investigation. i am melissa francis come here today is harris faulkner. fox contributor lisa boothe, democratic strategist, radios, and fox news contributor leslie marshall, and it joining us on the couch, a former white house press secretary, sean spicer. he is outnumbered and the tie is sizzling. >> sean: and tried to get it to match. i don't know if it worked. >> melissa: it's fabulous! at >> sean: a little bit more color. >> harris: i love it when our guest pays attention to the color wheel. >> sean: i don't know that i pay attention, other people tell me to pay attention perry [laughter] >> melissa: very smart, they go. >> sean: "that matches that." >> melissa: onto business, democrat chris coons, cory booker, and retiring republican jeff flake. they want to use the procedural maneuver to force a vote on the

bill to shield from interference. it has failed once before and it may feel again. he senate majority leader mitch mcconnell says he will block it. but chris coons believes he has an advantage. >> what i think the republican majority leader ought to do is simply allow us to have a vote and move forward. senator flake, i will remind you, has steadfastly refused to vote for any presidential nominee for judicial post, either in the judiciary committee or on the floor, until we get this vote. that gives us some leverage. >> melissa: said that majority leader mcconnell says the bill is simply unnecessary. >> the president is not going to fire robert mueller. nor do i think you should, nor do i think that he should not be allowed to finish. >> will you repeat what you did? [interesting question] >> i probably would, yeah.

>> melissa: all this has president trump rims of his criticism of the probe. he says "the disgusting fake news is doing anything in the powder not to reported that way, at least three major players are intimating that the angry ring of dems is viciously telling witnesses who lie about facts. and they will get released. this is our joseph mccarthy era." sean, what do you think about this tweet? >> sean: where to begin? the first thing with respect to what senator mcconnell is talking about, this is a solution in search of a problem. there is no -- there's nothing that it's saying that mueller will get fired. the doj came out yesterday with respect to his budget. even if they were to shut down, the budget for the special counsel is protected. we are continuing -- this is political theory at its best. they are talking about a problem that doesn't exist. nobody's talking about firing mueller, everyone is talking about cooperating with him. the white house turned over countless documents and witnesses. the president cooperated.

>> melissa: why not let them get out of the system? let them do it, who cares, move on? >> sean: in some ways, if that's what get these through, which i believe is the heart of the trump legacy right now, what he has dented the judiciary -- not just the supreme court, but the appellate and circuit court levels -- i don't know. i think the devil is in the details. you have to be careful. once you go down a road race are protecting certain people, what happens if mueller does go rogue? what happens if he doesn't wrap it up? i think we shouldn't be protecting people unless there is a particular threat to them. right now, it's just democrats making one up. >> melissa: harris? >> harris: i'm just wondering, sean, if everybody in the room tends to agree except for flake and booker and coons and the rest of the democrats, why not let it go through? >> sean: in some ways, i do think -- the devil is in the details. i don't know what the actual legislation is. if robert mueller should be protected, who else should be protected? my point is that robert mueller has a job to do. >> harris: so it's got to be

narrow. >> sean: the bigger question is, who's threatening him? the president hasn't said he will fire him. >> harris: who think that a past? that's my question. >> sean: they got through the judiciary committee. i don't disagree with you. as a point, just say "fine, if that's what gets you to move on with the limited time we have left, then do it." >> lisa: i disagree. i think the special counsel already has too much authority and the scope is already to hide. why give them further production? there's nothing to protect president trump. he submitted the questions that mueller sent him. rudy giuliani said 1.4 million pages of material come more than sadie went witnesses they provided to mueller and his tea. what is there to protect question arc is that an active participant in the investigation? the whole thing is ridiculous. they just had a 53 majority in the senate. you can get whatever you want put through next congress. so, whatever. don't appease people. >> sean: at some point you have a limited amount of time left in this congress.

the question is, is the juice worth the squeeze? will get more out of allowing this to happen? >> harris: i might have to borrow that. [good one. >> sean: we are doing something, creating a solution. your right. the present just turned of her what had. every witness they asked for so far is turned over, and countless documents have been handed over. >> melissa: you see there, senator on the floor talking about this very issue and arguing through this protection and through the special counsel. what is the case for the protection question by gifford everyone around you saying that the president hasn't been the fire him, anyways. >> leslie: the trees are pretty fretting all the time, the amount of respect that he gives the special counsel. in addition to that, he said there isn't a problem. the problem with the problem is once there is a problem, it's already done. a determination has already been issued. this is something that has -- i agree with you, harris. do they even have the votes? let it go to a vote. you have to remember --

senator flake has said, "look, i'm going to stop your nominee." he's not only on the committee, but the g.o.p. is a very slim majority margin. 7-10. i think this is something -- especially with the second in the senate, john cornyn, the second ranking g.o.p. in the senate, says "maybe we should put this to the boat," i think senator majority legal mcconnell should listen to it. i'm not sure they do, quite frankly. have the votes. from any objection by the president, and the -- the president or the ag of austria's office, just to finish the job, to finish the unification completely. >> sean: is very dangerous. you have the congress, telling the executive branch that one of their employees can be fired. that's like the president saying "i'm going to protect certain members of congress from losing their election." the president, by the constitution, has the right to appoint people who serve the executive branch.

the department of justice, the attorney general this particular case, where the deputy attorney general because of the recusal the session, appointed him. they can't come in and say "we wanted to pick and choose who gets protected." >> harris: here's my point, and i want to ask you, lisa. is it stronger to have your majority leader burned some of his powder now and block this, or do you think this should go through and let republicans -- it looks like you have the votes anyway. they can caucus in that anteroom and find out. we saw that on tv. they go in there, they can teach others hands in the air, is it smarter to say "we block it as a body?" rather than having somebody step up and have is a portable. you know you loosely, judges. you can recoup in january. i guess the bigger boss move is to put the vote through and let it -- >> sean: ding, ding, ding. >> lisa: what's the point? this is so stupid. i don't think there's a point. of the think there's even a point in going through --

>> leslie: nobody gets a martyr themselves based on "oh, i didn't get to vote." >> lisa: i want to ask a question to you, leslie. if president trump were checked the new investigation, why would he submit the questions and all of these witnesses? to provide them to his team customer why would he submit 1.5 million pages of documents? why? >> leslie: first of all, you're asking something i don't think can be answered. which is, the light of our president. on the one hand -- >> lisa: he's not shutting it down. >> harris: can i just have one more comment before you run out of time? >> melissa: the irony of jeff flake think is great about these judges when he supposed to be a conservative, when he's been so unreliable, when he's going to go against what the party really wants. all for this -- you know, this move that is just grandstanding. >> sean: this will be enough. trust me. you push this through, then becomes the next demand. this is not the end of the game. this is one step in a political drama. >> melissa: good point. >> harris: it's a compelling

government each side. and both sides i don't see the democrats winning in this. leslie is quiet. let's move on. also on capitol hill, on this fine wednesday, right now, secretary of state mike pompeo expected to speak to reporters. any minute now. senators have been coming to the microphones after pompeo and defense secretary james mattis briefed them in a closed-door briefing. obviously. on u.s. relations with saudi arabia. following the murder of "washington post" columnist jim all caps jamaal khashoggi principe have calls for a stronger response to those behind khashoggi's death. the cia has reportedly assessed with high confidence the saudi crown prince ordered khashoggi's murder. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is reviewing what action take. watch this. >> what obviously happened is basically certified by the cia. it's completely abhorrent,

everything the united states hold holds dear incense for the world. some kind of response to that would certainly be in order. and we are discussing what their appropriate response should be. >> harris: the state department and pentagon released transcript of the classified remarks. they urged members of congress not to pull military support from saudi arabia, as they wage a war in yemen. they said they would only worsen the ongoing mentoring crisis in iran. meanwhile, the president is standing by at saudi arabia "the washington post" he is kept skeptical about the competence's involvement prayed he set up if you look at my statement, it's maybe he did, maybe he didn't." the cia didn't affirmatively say he did, by the way. i'm not saying that he didn't do it, but they didn't say it affirmatively." sean spicer, there are politics

at play here, and there is economics. and military concerns. >> sean: national security concerns, as well prayed and asked the cop located. i think the united states needs to be very clear that, no matter who you are, if you're kidnapped, killed, and is never, that is wrong paid his human rights element to this. lift us didn't remember what is right and what is wrong. we need to take quick and decisive action, if that is the conclusion of the cia. >> harris: what you make of the president and now the national security advisor john bolton both refusing to listen to the audiotape of the the killing of khashoggi? >> sean: if the cia and says "this is what happened, this is how it works, do you want to hear it?" i don't know that you need to -- >> harris: but the president outcome apparently, the validity and says it wasn't "are firmly put close go by the cia. >> sean: i don't think he doubts the to come he didn't want to listen to. he does the infirmity --

they said based on everything that we have, we believe -- >> harris: he doesn't want to listen to the evidence? >> sean: i think evidence to show somebody yelling and squealing grade there's no question that khashoggi was killed and dismembered. the question is -- the issue is -- who ordered it? did he go to the crown prince? b1 and that's not on the tape. >> melissa: how could it not have, though? >> sean: and just then, there's a big difference whether he was killed by the saudis. which he was. or whether -- >> melissa: i don't think there's any way the conference did know about it. at the same time, it reminds me why we are friends of israel and makes me think back on how a president obama alienated israel. the reason we are friends of them the respect of human rights and democracy paid this right through what the rest of the neighborhood is like. >> sean: it doesn't have to be one of the other.

we can say to saudi arabia, "we need you economically, you are important, national security wise. this behavior is an acceptable period end. ">> leslie: there's a lot of fiction going on, but it's out there. just to clarify. but there has been sanctions levied. the sanctions been levied, 70 different individuals that were connected to the khashoggi killing. mike pompeo, the secretary, lay that out in "the wall street journal" op-ed, talking about it. that is the case. the case of the initiations making what pompeo did in that bed today or strategic interest in the reason out ways to gain further action against saudi arabia. that we need saudi arabia in dealing with iran, yemen, somebody's hostility prayed also, for economic stability and the reason as well. i think that's right. >> leslie: oil and money are more important than human life? >> harris: let's get back to the life screen for the seconds of people know what they're

watching. we're waiting for them to come back out of this briefing for senators. we are talking about the very subject here, "the washington post" columnist jamal khashoggi who was murdered inside the saudi consulate on turkish soil. you see bernie sanders, senator sanders, they are. we are waiting for secretary pompeo to step up. you may or may not see more senators as we continue to wait. also today, nancy pelosi is facing a key test in her bid to become speaker of the house again. what today's vote could tell us about her chances. plus, president trump singh he's willing to go to the brink to get the wall. even if it means a partial government shutdown next week. who will blink first? we are moving on to coming back. stay close. ♪ >> we have actually started big sections of the wall, but we want to finish the wall. we've got to get funding from congress. if this isn't the right time to get funding, when you look at what's happening at the border border -- ♪ with our service,

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plan b for border security. that plan would include barb dry fencing. majority leader kevin mccarthy was among a group of house g.o.p. leaders that met with the president at the white house yesterday. >> the house, we have $5 billion in there. the president is very strong on this. many of the democratic leadership say this is better to have as a political issue than one that can be solved. >> don't ask >> melissa: meantime, chuck schumer says the denver cats will go north of $1.6 billion that they have agreed to already. listen. >> we are first strong border security. we have made numerous proposals. the $1.6 billion for border security have been negotiated by democrats and republicans, that's our position. we believe it start me to go. if there's any shut down, it's on president trump's back. >> melissa: early, speaker vows paul ryan stress of the president and the democratic

would have to come to agreement. >> ultimately, the president and the senator mccaskill have to come to an agreement, as well. as you know, it takes the votes in the senate. democrats realized after the election that a secure border should not be a republican thing. it should be a democrat thing. it's just good for the country to actually secure our border. the house is there, we hope the senate comes with us. >> melissa: what are we really fighting about here? is it a word, the word "wall?" is there a number in the middle that makes more sense? or through the going on, here? >> sean: this comes down to whether or not the president gets a political win. he campaigned on the wall come he's been trained to fund it. we have an immigration issue right now at our southern borde border. he wants to give us all completed, and people are now saying "you better public and house, you had a republican senate. you're going to lose the house in a few days. you better get it all done." i think the present recognizes that if any money he's ever going to get his first term is gonna come now, he's going to get every penny he can possibly

get. look, here's the reality, too -- chuck schumer annalise folks last cycle all voted for this. it's not something new to them. this is political complaint civil. the dome want to present to get a win. >> harris: breaking on a breaking news, we have been watching the senate floor and for the second time senator jeff flake of arizona has been blocked. he's trying to bring to the floor -- he's asking for unanimous consent to move a bill that would protect the robert mueller investigation. of course, the big question is, does it need protection? mitch mcconnell, the senate majority leader, and others have said that they will block this. now, for a second time, we just thought mike lee of utah objected to bringing the builds of the floor. here's why this is critical at this time. in the next hour they were expected to proceed with the judgeship, those federal and other judges that they want to take a look at. jeff flake had threatened to not participate in getting the judges moved forward, that the

president wants. he won't help the republicans advance those judges. they are now, in the next hour, due to move on process with one judge in particular. will they call jeff flake 'us bluff? if he gets a third block and they move forward, is he really not going to participate with the republicans on judges? or will he backed down? was it all a bluff? or will they get this bill to the floor? we are watching it happen live on the left side of your stream. we will to continue the discussion and go back as the news is made. melissa? >> melissa: getting back to the portable for second, would it make sense for the presented to chuck schumer up on his offer and take whatever money there isn't just declare victory? what would democrats do at that point, if he said "great, i'll take it, and i building my wall? "we all know it's a wall system. done. i democrats given. >> leslie: i wish democrats hadn't given it. i'm with my party and party leadership. >> melissa: so he would win if you did that? >> leslie: wouldn't be the political win that shawna's talk

about. thank you for admitting it's applicable in overcoming here. the money he's proposing, $5 billion, that's just for the wall. it's not for any troops to have any security. remember, there be people climbing over that wall. to take the money that chuck schumer and -- the democrats and the republicans agreed upon, it could be a full -- >> melissa: victor is victory. >> leslie: but it would avoid a shut down let me tell you, i disagree with the president, i disagree with the republicans who think this would be on democrats and the democrats to be blamed. we see that the party in power is blamed -- >> lisa: leslie, it's not just politics, though. it's a necessity paid we need that deterrent at the southern border. we are having a real problem i know is illegal activity on the southern border. we just over a thousand people try and rush the southern border and got engaged with the u.s. border patrol producing 110% increase in the past year -- >> leslie: don't think that the troops could handle it? >> lisa: we had an issue with family units, leaf at 80%

increase since the end of the zero-tolerance policy. president trump, what needs to do is not just ask for a border wall but you ask for changes with seeking asylum. make it more difficult for people to seek asylum. 89% will pass the first test, only granted immigration courts. what does it tell you about the system? it's too easy to pass your initial test. then what happens is they get lost in the united states and add to what the yale university study just said that 20 many people living here illegally -- it just adds that. it's you problem. not only do we need to fix it, it's broken. >> leslie: the thing broken is immigration. >> harris: leslie, can i step in with just a quick fact-check question or consider the $5 billion for the wall -- that's not been reported and that's not true. the house bill funds $5 billion for the wall and border control agents. it's never been a complete wall because -- a house, just a few miles north of noel gallas. there's water, there's tourists,

there's a lot of geographic reasons why you can't build a solid wall along our border. what do we need? we need to fill in those gaps. those forest areas, with more ice and border patrol. it's a wall system. you don't even have to take my word for it. when you look at the plan, and we look at it with president is asking for, that $5 billion does more than a structure. it also shows up with democrats at del mike agreed to. in 2006 they built some hard fencing or walls, and now they need restoration all these years later. pace for some of that, too. >> leslie: i don't disagree with the restoration. but it's more than just a wall. i was quitting the president on that part he was talking about -- this is what he wants for the wall. and he needs more money for troops and others to maintain the security system to assist. >> harris: that's within the house bill prayed he probably wants more, you're right about that. >> melissa: new to veltman's the rush investigation, and the new questions they are raising for the white house. plus, she has been wrangling

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♪ >> melissa: right now, behind closed doors, we are seeing the defense secretary mattis at also secretary of state mike pompeo our briefing senators about the situation with saudi arabia and what went on with that journalist, jamal khashoggi. and, how the response the u.s. to saudi arabia is going. what is appropriate. they are talking back and forth, and we are going to see mike pompeo come out in a short time and talk to the press. that conversation is going on behind closed doors. we don't expect to see defense secretary mattis. just mike pompeo coming out and talking in the microphone, sharing some of what went on behind closed doors. sean, what you think they are talking about there? >> sean: i think there are two segments issues at hand, and we talked about this a segment to go. what do we know about the planning and execution of the killing of khashoggi? and who was responsible for it? that's totally separate. we will have a lot of agreement

that saudi arabia come elements within saudi arabia, did this act. but then the question is, this is where the centers agree to be particularly honed -- does the cia, does our intelligence, conclude that the crown prince was involved, covered up, or knew about it? >> melissa: here he is, let's listen in. >> secretary mattis and myself just had the opportunity to befall the senators who wanted to hear from us. we talked about u.s. policy in yemen and the u.s. policy with respect to the kingdom of saudi arabia. we also, obviously, spoke about the heinous murder of jamal khashoggi. we made clear that they are considering are considering debating a resolution on the senate floor which we think is just poorly timed. we are on the cusp of allowing the u.s. envoy, martin griffiths, two, in december, gather the parties together and hopefully get a cease-fire and imitate something that we have diplomatically been striving for for months. we think we are right on the cusp of that.

the view of the administration and secretary mattis and myself is that passing a resolution at this point undermines that. it would encourage the iranians, it would undermine the fragile agreement for everyone to go to sweden and have this discussion. we hope that they will consider that, and how they proceed. we are happy to give them further information if they should so choose. >> reporter: why wasn't the current cia director with the senators as well? >> i was asked to be here, and here i am. >> reporter: the senators were very frustrated prayed normally, with your cia director, you wouldn't be here briefing the centers on an issue. why isn't the cia director -- >> i was asked to be here, and i'm here. >> reporter: you seen all the intelligence -- do you believe that the crown prince of saudi arabia ordered jamal khashoggi's killing?

>> i've read the intelligence coming in a glass yaris. i've read it all. there is no direct reporting is all i can say. >> reporter: is here as possible? >> reporter: [interesting question] >> i don't have anything to add about the sequence of events in north korea. hopefully we'll have a meeting before too long. >> reporter: year of study or on the precipice of a deal. public statements indicate -- [indistinct question] >> well, the parties that will be there will be those engaged in the civil war in yemen. representatives from the yemeni government, and we hope they won't upset the apple cart. they been funding, providing

assistance and supports them, which had been allowing them to fight well beyond what makes any sense at all. we hope the irradiance won't upset this opportunity to both resolve the civil war and give everybody opportunity to solve a massive humanitarian crisis in yemen today. >> thank you, everybody! >> melissa: mike pompeo there, secretary of state, answering just a few questions there as he comes out of a closed door meeting with senators where they were talking about the various situations going on with saudi arabia now. sean, i will get your thoughts. two things, it was pretty short. they got out is a very quick. he very much -- [laughter] he very much tied being on the cusp of the cease-fire in yemen with this incident that went on with jamal because khashoggi 'd what should be done about that. is it smart to tie those things together? >> sean: i think he does a great job doing it, which is to focus on the big picture and

focus on our dip like a national security interests. i think a bigger issue is what the senators who are just brief come out of that briefing and say and react to the briefing we had just given them with secretary mattis. he did exactly what he needed to do coming out of that briefing. this isn't the end of that. we are going to hear from everyone of the senators what they will be the situation is. >> harris: you were talking while that whole thing was going on about what potentially could be happening behind the scenes. i don't want you to share more than you are comfortable with, but how much of that is real, do you think? >> sean: i think saudi arabia come as we talked about before, plays a huge strategic national security and economic interest for us and in the region. there are talks, no question, going on at various levels of government. you seen secretary pompeo, ca director hospital went over there, there's definitely department of defense officials. saudi arabia is probably

figuring out -- you guys need the following things, we need to maintain this degree of government. what can we work out? >> harris: what could they work out? >> there's obviously some issues in yemen, there is an oil issue. look at, there is -- >> harris: what do you do with the crown prince? a >> sean: this issue of the ran, also to things on the table prayed specifically in that region. as i mentioned come in the bridal nationals canadian economic security interest. i think if you are saudi arabia -- this is almost like a plea deal. they're coming in saying "this is what we are willing to give up if you ease off on this a little bit." >> harris: but they give up the crown prince. >> sean: that's everything on the table. maybe mbs doesn't ascend to the crown. >> harris: wow. new information on the russia probe now as we learned that paul manafort's legal team shared information with president trump's attorney. while manafort denies any report that he met with the founder of wikileaks in 2016.

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♪ u2 new development in the russia investigation, confirming it was briefed by attorneys on paul manafort's discussion between mena ford and robert mueller's team. fox news learning the president had a joint defense agreement with nana manafort that allowed this practice. denying that anything made already be in the works. this comes as both men afford wikileaks founder julian sanchez deny a report from "the guardian" newspaper claiming the two met several times, including ones in the spring of 2016. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge is live from washington with more. catherine? >> thanks, melissa, good afternoon. lawyers are president trump and paul manafort have what's called a joint defense agreement, or a jda, allowing them to share information.

fox news has also learned that mueller's investigators, including andrew weissmann, have pumped and for information about the meeting with russians at trump tower in june of 2016 and whether candidate trump knew in advance. fox has also special counsel investigators have pressed them on the role of the son-in-law, jared kushner, was at that meeting. a source close to manafort's defense team alleges that he pressured him, asking the same questions repeatedly, looking and partly for different answers. it's important to note that wiseman stepped away from the virginia prosecution of manafort early this year after it was revealed that he met with associated press reporters about evidence against manafort. in the meantime, a senior democrat is reacting. >> manafort is clearly putting all of his eggs in the trump pardon basket. he is gambling, and it's a big gamble that trump will pardon him. he is playing both sides.

he is completely untrustworthy. he is a chronic and pathological liar. his testimony probably would have been worthless anyway. >> at the briefing, the white house press secretary was interviewed about the allegations that he met with wikileaks leader, julian assange, which are poorly leaked the clinton emails. >> certainly remain confident in the white house's assertion that the president was not involvedn any collusion. i refer you to paul manafort's attorneys to address that. >> these records attained by fox news show that the council discussion are very focused on wikileaks and any pictures of drunken pain. earlier this month, somebody called jerome corsi, a longtime associate of political operatives. he has denied to fox news that he had any contact with wikileaks or any russian agency.

>> melissa: fantastic reporting as always, thank you very much for that. sean, what difference does it make if anybody met with julian assange or russians for that matter? i didn't realize it was against the law. >> sean: are not a lawyer. i think the question i was comes back to whether it's collusion. i don't know what difference it makes if they met with him or not. but i also think that the big issue is whether or not he lied. i'm still convinced that mueller's game has always been to get one fish and then to get on the bigger fish. he's trying to figure out, can you get manafort online or some kind of tax evasion or failure to register and force them to give up something else on somebody else? that's always been my guess with how he has conducted himself. i still do understand -- to your point, is there anything actually illegal about meeting with somebody that says they have information? >> melissa: yes. i want to play for you what jonathan turley had to say about this idea, and they will ask you about these different plea deals we are hearing about. this one, let's listen.

>> this is fairly rare. usually these are witnesses who are desperate for deals and really would not risk taking off a prosecutor. clearly, mueller is not getting what he wants. the question is, is he getting enough to get him where he wants to go? >> melissa: what you think? >> lisa: jonathan turley's various smart attorney, and i'm not. let him speak to that. i found jerome corsi's interview with tucker carlson interesting because it sort of speaks to these hardball tactics we have seen from mueller, saying that mueller's team essentially couldn't give them what he wanted. that mueller's investigators accused of them flying only after he couldn't give them what they wanted. because that reminds me also of what seemingly happened with michael flynn, as well. remember, the fbi told congressional investigators they didn't think michael flynn was lying. it was only until mueller took over that he pled guilty to lying. then you have the fbi agents showing up at the manafort's house with guns. we don't have any collusion or

evidence of crimes. >> harris: sean, what lisa saying -- i think that's a better comparison than the michael cohen comparison. >> sean: i watch a lot of law & order. [laughter] not just the regular one, spu, criminal intent, all of it. they made a deal this guy thinking he was going to say certain things. he's clearly not. he's willing to risk the deal he had to say "i'm not going to go out there and live." that says something. he had a deal. in the way "law & order: works" -- speech on that note, the white house held its first press briefing yesterday on the new rules on decorum. did reporters follow those guidelines? witnesses mean for the press corps going forward? we will debate with our insider, our one lucky guy, tell us what it's like at the podium! ♪ we earned a lot of va benefits with our service. but the va home loan benefit is a big one. by re-financing up to 100 percent of your home's value,

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♪ >> lisa: welcome back. press secretary sarah sanders taking questions for the first time since the president sparred with cnn's white house correspondent jim acosta at his recent news conference. it was also the first time since the new white house guidelines for reporters, including a ban and follow-up questions. the highly anticipated briefing turn to be remarkably cordial, question-and-answer session. still, many reporters occluding

acosta went for the follow-up anyway. >> if i can follow-up -- >> do think it's going to adversely affect your economy? >> why don't you follow-up? >> at the doesn't believe -- >> lisa: i'm sure this is bringing back memories. all good, i'm sure. the >> sean: you mean back to therapy. i'm just going to lay down and we can ask questions! >> harris: could you say that again? [laughter] >> lisa: is the relationship between the media and the president repairable? >> sean: uh... [laughter] it can get better. i don't know if it can be repairable. it can get a heck of a lot better. i think there's a difference between content and behavior. they should ask as many questions as they want, and a subject want. they should have follow-ups. i think the issue has always been about behavior. there's a difference between politely saying "here's my question come here's a subject i would like to ask. i'd like a follow up on it." mind. what it's been in the past is a

bunch of childish behavior, where you jump up or down can we raise your hands, you come out of turn. there's lot of journalists in those rooms, even for the press briefing, that i want to have a question asked about an issue or concern or constituency that their publication represents. they don't need one or two people creating their own little show for it, and hogging up all the time. >> leslie: can i ask you -- >> sean: no follow-ups, leslie! >> lisa: make it count, leslie! >> leslie: whether it's you, whoever it is. whether it's a democrat or republican in the house, don't you play into that, too? with your response to the questions, the manner in which you respond to the questions? >> sean: yeah, but they started it. [laughter] >> i know you are, but what of my? >> sean: no, i agree with you. i wrote about this in my book, there's plenty of times where i think i took the bait or i could have been better or bigger about it. there's no question. i think this is not a one-way street. the press has got to remember that if they want to be treated with respect to jet to act like

professionals. >> melissa: can nicely question before we run out of time? redirected to be combative? that's what it felt like from here. >> sean: no, i'm irish. it comes natural. [laughs] >> melissa: so he's not sing "show them who's boss, though my?" >> sean: no, that's my default. >> harris: what kind of feedback do you get? does he like the? >> sean: go read the book, it's called "the briefing." you can see it at sean spicer.com. >> lisa: before previous demonstrations, what's it like with a lot hostility coming her way standing up there? >> sean: it's not pleasant! [laughter] i think there's a difference. again, i think we can have a free and fair that we are the greatest democracy in the world because of it. allowing the press to ask what they want, when they want, all that -- that's perfectly fine. it's the behavior and the tone that has got to change. >> harris: there was some

discussion about maybe not doing these every day. we have now gotten into the process where we don't see them every day. when we do see them, it's a big occasion to have bolton and could low. you get so much more news when you are not just feasting for something off the phone every day. >> sean: you also sing in the present engage much more. this president is engaging like never before. this be what every marine helicopter ride, air force one. >> sean: thinks or have any. >> lisa: more unabridged in just a moment. states soon george woke up in pain. but he has plans today. so he took aleve this morning. hey dad. if he'd taken tylenol, he'd be stopping for more pills right now. only aleve has the strength stop tough pain

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>> melissa: what you guys don't know is that we peppered sean with questions during the break. it's like a press briefing. >> sean: i've got a podcast and we do that every day. >> melissa: we will be back at noon eastern tomorrow, here's harris. >> harris: we begin with the fox news alert, nancy pelosi facing the first vote in her quest to become speaker of the house again. this is "outnumbered overtime," i'm harris faulkner. house democrats are getting set to reconvene and take about for party leadership. nancy pelosi's speakership a bid be closely watched after a group of nearly two dozen democrats said they would oppose her. but politico is now reporting that she is so confident in her numbers, she is giving vulnerable members passed a vote against her today.

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