for a male, 81 euros for a female. the gap is never been this wide between women and men. isn't it interesting? maybe i'm the only one who thinks that. honey, i'm on my way home. "the five" is now. ♪ >> jesse: i'm jesse watters with emily compagno, juan williams, dana perino and greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york, and this is "the five" ." president trump blasting michael cohen after his former lawyer pleads guilty to lying to congress and agrees to cooperate with the special counsel. saying in court that he made less congress -- mid misled congress. cohen telling lawmakers. claiming that they didn't wrap

up until june. trump slamming his former attorney in the wake of these developments. >> he's a weak person and not a very smart person. he's got himself a big prison sentence and he's trying to get a much lesser prison sentence. by making up a story. here's the thing. even if he was right, it doesn't matter because i was allowed to do whatever i wanted during the campaign. he's lying about a project that everybody knew about. we were very open with it. we were thinking about building a building. i decide to ultimately not to do it. there would have been nothing wrong if i did do it. >> jesse: investigation-happy democrats like little adam schiff are not satisfied with trump providing written answers to robert mueller. sherrod brown hinting the russian investigation is only the beginning of what happening. >> needs to be a live interview with the president because soon to be able to ask questions in real time. >> there will be investigations of the president using his

office to enrich his family. there will be investigations on other things. >> jesse: trump warning democrats against what he is calling presidential harassment. the president saying he is a counter puncture. what is so funny, juan? >> juan: the thing about trump, the advertising, the hype, the christmas season is here. with trump, every day it's bigger, grander, it's going to be the best -- >> jesse: trump's legal team is saying what he told robert mueller about the russian deal, wasn't a deal, it matches what cohen's statement in court today and there is really no discrepancy. what's the big deal? robert mueller never asked him when the deal fell apart or when it ended. what's the problem? >> juan: trump was tweeting in the middle of 2016 after the primaries that there was no deal, nothing going on, no business going on with russia.

what we know now from cohen's plea deal today is that in fact he was not only continuing to do this deal, not only continuing to brief trump on it but actually in touch with vladimir putin's office in order to get the deal done. trump was trying to make money while he's running for president, doesn't tell the american people this, which suggests is about his interests. >> jesse: everyone knows he was running the trump business. >> juan: a trump tower moscow. >> jesse: in your opinion, a deal happens before you sign it. >> juan: saying he had no contact, no business dealings with russia. that's what he said. >> jesse: emily, if you are working with people like michael cohen, who has lied a few times and working with manafort who has also lied and rick gates who

has also lied, are you now saying that when they are offering this new testimony that it's not believable because they are facing hard prison time? a lot people are saying that's the reason they've changed their stories. >> emily: you can make that argument that the reason credibility is pierced is because here is a career criminal liar. that's when corroborating evidence comes into play of the prosecution has to step up and do their job and say doesn't matter whether you believe this person in this moment, here's why we are proving when they are lying and when they are telling the truth. it means that you need to take the step further. i want to point something else out as well. going back to jerome corsi. i want to point out that people continue predicting prosecution's behavior and trying to ascribe a certain set of structure and parameters to what's going to happen next not only this investigation with the ancillary ones.

you can never predict and you can never ascribe certain set of rules, the reason i'm bringing that up is because we have corsi, he gave them everything voluntarily. he said this is my password and here's my phone and hears everything i own and let me help you. then they called him on something. he said i don't remember. then they circled back and said here's evidence to the contrary. he amended his answer formally and they still threatened this felony charge of being untruthful under oath and this investigation. the fact that the prosecution can do whatever they want. they can change their mind. they can make decisions that don't make sense to us or that suddenly represent a tangent in their development means that for all of us trying to predict or read the tea leaves, anything is possible. >> jesse: these are brass knuckle players. the ted stevens situation, the same guys involved in that. the enron situation. >> juan: i want to interject. you are suggesting to emily that

these guys are liars. they lied about things in the past. we know from manafort that in fact he is checked by the prosecutor and that's why the prosecutor broke the plea deal and that's why trump is floating the idea of a pardon for manafort. >> jesse: did he float it? >> dana: i don't think he floated it. >> juan: he said it's not off the table. >> dana: that is not floating it. >> juan: it's putting it out there. >> jesse: dana, he's going overseas, just about to take off and mueller drops this thing. >> dana: dana's rule of thumb, any time the president of the united states, no matter who it is, travels overseas, something happens in domestic politics it keeps your attention divided and it's frustrating because now you're on a time difference and you're trying to do things with these other leaders, the g20 leaders and get it done. they will be fine. i think president trump should -- i think he should defer to rudy giuliani that same going to

be gone for three days. i want you to be the spokesperson on this. you handle it, and i'm going to focus on the business at hand as the business of the united states. this >> jesse: ohno tweeting? >> dana: are not not going to say not tweet that -- he can do the important business that the president of the united states. >> juan: he canceled a meeting with putin. >> dana: he did. >> greg: i have four points my don't know if i should do one. look through the mall. to emily's point, i don't know cohen at all but these crimes seem to be created by an investigation of crimes they couldn't find. when you find out there's not enough there, you start looking for something else. or maybe it's a crime of opportunity or searching for a crime of opportunity. stop a guy for jaywalking hoping

he has pot in his pocket. i think when you pull pull some like cohen, you hope he's going to live. a lot of muscle men live. with trump -- if i were considering running, i'm not going to turn down a lucrative gig selling caviar in st. petersburg. he is saying i have a job. it didn't work out. doesn't mean he's lying. here's the nut of this. it's about a timeline difference, but a real estate deal that happened before an election that never actually happened. you would find more meat at peta headquarters. in the absence of bad news about our great country, the media

needs this story. might i use a metaphor? of donald trump are like an amusement park, there's all of these great rides. you have the low unemployment log ride. you have the property and prosperity carousel. you have the wages waterslide. you have the peace pendulum. where is the media? they are all at the worst ride there is. the mueller teacups. they are spinning around in a vomit inducing orgy, ignoring al the great rides that america is enjoying. >> jesse: heads explode on "the view" after learning that obama treated migrants the same way as president trump. ♪

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office. trump is in office. this defense doesn't work for me. it's not just the using tear gas, i think it's immoral when you are using tear gas against children. propublica found the trump administration has secretly continued to separate kids from their families. the obama administration, they never did that. >> the aclu says that kind of separation is unprecedented. this whole "but obama did it, obama did it," i don't care what obama did. i care what trump is doing right now. >> juan: homeland secretary kirstjen nielsen shooting down claims that all the migrants are asylum-seekers. >> ultimately we only see about 9%, 10% of central americans who make an asylum claim actually be granted asylum by an immigration judge. if you are coming to get a job, that's not a claim for asylum. if you're coming to be with your family, it's not a claim for asylum. >> juan: jessica my why don't you respond to what you just saw

on "the view." she was making the argument that this is what about-ism and now we have a crisis. >> jesse: you came to the right person about what about-is impaired i want to say about operating children, someone was just brought over here with a young person they found out that it wasn't a relationship at all. he was raping her and trafficking her. obama administration responsible for placing people in human smuggling rings may brought them to ohio and were working them seven days a week, 16 hours a day and if trump had done that, can you imagine the outrage? talk about what about-is impaired i want to do an experiment. let's reverse the name trump and obama with obama scandals. let's say there were old right-ers in maga hats intimidating black voters from voting. ag at the time, whitaker, let's

say, gives them a slap on the wrist. also another one, what about if trump sold mexican cartels handguns and rifles and those rifle shot a u.s. border patrol agent and then whitaker wouldn't give any documents to congress and was held in contempt. outrageous! what if trump bombed the bejeesus out of libya and their ambassador died and they blamed it on a filmmaker and arrested them and lied about it. imagine if trump had done some of the things obama did, you guys would have been freaking out. >> juan: i think you are in a fever state but i do think when these things happen, you absolutely went bonkers on obama, am i right? >> jesse: justifiably. >> juan: i want to be clear. emily, the argument here i think comes down to that there were incidents in which the obama administration used tear gas at the border. the question is whether or not, this is the argument coming from

the left, they use them on children and people seeking asylum as opposed to people who are engaged in assault versus the customs and border patrol agents. >> emily: that argument starts parsing and it gets beside the point which is the fact border skirmishes have decreased from the past administration to now. notwithstanding the fact that drug and cartel involvement has increased in the last eight years by almost 40%, and smuggling seizures of the border have increased by a factor of ten. what i am trying to say is that the efficiency of the border now and the respect we should have for those or securing our border physically for us at the seven line right now should be off the charts. to go and respond to the comment on "the view," to me it belies in ignorance. it's exactly the point. we should care what happened under the prior administration because we should know what the laws are and what the laws aren't and where the confusion lies and why a subsequent administration can do things like the prior one did or

didn't. so that we know in columbia legislators and stop talking about it on talk shows. >> juan: dana. >> dana: am going to yield my time to emily. >> juan: the question is, the use of tear gas or similar materials against children. i think that's what especially those pictures, caught the attention of the american people. >> dana: i go back to this. i don't think there's a single border patrol agent that wanted to use tear gas. they don't want to have to be in this position, and remember teargas as a way to deal with crowds that are getting out of control in a way that doesn't have disproportionate force. you use teargas to disperse the crowd. it's not that they want to do it. that's why the obama team did it. that's why it's happening. remember, it's not that the border patrol or trump administration that brought the children up. one thing i think is good is that you start hearing reports that some of the people they are

realizing that they're not going to get asylum. it's not going to work and they are deciding to turn back. >> juan: greg, having a situation saying you have reports of squalid conditions for people. long waits, which comes to dana's point as to why may be people are leaving. the question is, is the trump administration creating a situation where people don't even get to apply for legal asylum. >> greg: for one thing, they aren't gassing children. what they are trying to do is say under obama, we only shot these things at adults but the trump administration, they are aiming at kids! that's not true. that's fake. here's an uncomfortable truth. in terms of pepper spray and gas, trump has actually, sounds to me obama did it 80 times? trump uses less of it because trump's stance on immigration was unambiguous. he was metaphorically the wall. he said don't come here. we are going to repel you.

we do not believe you are refugees. we believe you are cutting in line. give a message and fewer people were coming. therefore you didn't need to use these kind of dispersing effects. i think president obama may seem more compassionate but by being ambiguous about the border and not telling people right away what our stances encouraged people to come and then you have to disperse them. the compassionate way is law and order and telling them this is what's going to happen. if you come here, this is what's going to happen. the best answer is compassion and order. that's why we let in hundreds of thousands of people every year because we are compassionate and we have an orderly process. when you violate the process and you rush and threw bottles and rocks, they are going to shoot spray at you but they are not going to shoot it at kids. >> juan: if you look at -- >> greg: so you are saying the border patrol was aiming at kids. >> juan: there were kids

there, but the larger point -- >> greg: of which i am right. >> juan: that's always true. the larger point is despite the recent thing with the caravan, in fact border crossings long continued to go down. our stormy daniels and michael avenatti headed for a split up? details next on "the five" ."

♪ >> greg: all right, he was once her defender but now her offender. stormy daniels blasting the hairless hagler michael avenatti, saying the court room cue ball sued trump for defamation without her permission and is demanding answers about donations that she received from donors but she never saw. "for months, i have asked michael avenatti to give me accounting information about the

fund my supporter so generously donated to my safety and legal defense. he has repeatedly ignored those requests." we went to mr. avenatti for comment. [electronic voice] >> greg: tell me something. how is he not being investigated or disbarred. a lot of the stuff he does is really shady. >> emily: i totally agree. here's what viewers need to understand. first of all, not only does it come to the table already with the background thing investigated for fraud, being accused of fraud as well as bankruptcy and issues with funds with his client and his prior firm. but also the single largest reason attorneys are disciplined and or disbarred is four mingling funds.

it's basically for being messy with finances and in any way doing anything wrong with the client's dollars. everyone has to be accounted for properly. he claims the scope is changed and therefore i am setting up this new fund. her contract didn't. the other thing is the ethics rules are clear. they are staunch that any type of material decision is a client's to make, never the attorneys. the fact that he filed the suit on her behalf without her knowledge is crazy. of course he should be referred for disbarment and sued for fraud. >> juan: listen, i think he's got a lot of issues. the fact is he said all she paid was 100 bucks and the money that come in in these things set up was used for her security, used to help her deal with the situation. the one point you made that struck me as she says the

defamation suit filed against president trump was not done with her consent which would seem like crazy to me. you have to have the client's consent. how many lawyers are -- have unhappy clients? i don't think there's a shortage of them. >> greg: that's true. we don't have time because we have a big surprise coming up. >> dana: i know. i am nervous about that. >> greg: dana, i don't think any woman who ends up in this guy's orbit comes out any bette better? >> dana: do know what this is, a war on women. i know we've got to go and i don't want to take up too much time. she's in the situation, she is saying where's the money and she apparently from previous reporting we've heard, she could use it. she needs it. also why does she need security? so that he could get on tv. it's his fault. >> greg: since she is in financial straits, i hope she doesn't turn to porn.

it's not a good life. >> jesse: i don't know anything about that but thanks for coming to me on that. >> greg: what do you think in general about whatever? >> jesse: i think security costs are cheap. i don't know how he's racked up 600 grand on security costs. doesn't make sense. when you have multiple go fund me pages popping up and shutting down, it's a really big red flag. i also heard word in one of the reports that he tried to start representing members of the caravan and he was booted out because he was so ridiculous in his temperament and his style that even the people in the caravan and the other lawyers around them are trying to do noble things i'd get the heck out of here. >> greg: he is victim shopping shopping. presents himself as the rescuing white knight and ends up screwing the person is representing, metaphorically, that is. controversy erupts over a christmas classic.

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♪ >> everybody come out quick. look at the lights. >> emily: the left's new problem with rudolph and a second but next, going grisold with a christmas display. threatening to fine a family $2,000 per day if they go forward with their massive christmas spectacle. neighbors complain it creates chimney crowds and now the town wants the family to pay for police and security costs. i absolutely love clark griswol

griswold. this weekend i was trying to get lights up and i had my husband holding an electrical cord. he was like this is so not safe. i got halfway around before i had to give in. my house is half clark griswold and half lights. i love it. >> jesse: i think we should use more movie clips in the sho show. get the audience to laugh a little bit more. i highly recommend it. i did a story a few years ago where i went to a town in florida and they had a similar thing where everything was lit up and there would be massive amounts of people coming from all over. >> greg: how surprising that it was in florida. how was the weather? >> jesse: it was beautiful. >> greg: whenever you did these packages, it was always at

a nice beach. >> jesse: spring break. neighbors have legit complaints about their streets getting crowded but i say who cares. it's christmas. >> emily: the neighbor was the mayor. the reason the mayor is shaking down that poor guy is that he was 200 feet away. he's probably jealous. >> greg: may be one of his relatives died through an electrocution of christmas lights and every day he comes home and he sees the lights and he thinks of uncle steve who fried in front of him and he was never the same. you are so cruel, emily. it's disgusting. >> jesse: uncle steve. >> emily: i am the christmas elf. juan, what would you do if that was your neighbor? would you go out with hot chocolate? >> juan: no, i would be upset. the streets would be crowded. i like it because i want to see it, i love that stuff. i'll go into neighborhoods where

they have big lights. i think it's great fun, but i know that there's people all around and they can get through. i thought it was not fair to go after the mayor because he's the neighbor. he is saying you can't get safety vehicles through. what happens in d.c., the big one, it ends at a certain hour so that they know that basically it's on from nightfall, 6:00 until 9:00 and then that's it. >> emily: with local ordinances. >> dana: there was another story where a family either in utah or idaho where the family was sued because they have a similar situation. they won on first amendment grounds. we should take this war on christmas to the supreme court,

the conservative court, and see if we can end the war on christmas. >> emily: another christmas controversy, rudolph under attack. "the huffington post" slamming the movie being seriously problematic for apparently promoting bullying, racism, sexism, homophobia. >> dana: this is my favorite christmas show in one of the reasons i liked it is because it taught me about being kind to others. the lesson of the show is that you have to be inclusive of everyone and that some people go through a tough time and you need to be nice to them. >> jesse: is that why you keep telling me to watch it? >> greg: you know why rudolph's nose is red. he had a substance abuse proble problem. saying that it's about bullying, it's against bullying. if you used "the huffington post" logic, you could never have a book where it talks about good versus evil because it is has the word evil in it. problematic as they freeze the you use when you can't come up

with a reason to explain. "the huffington post" is owned by verizon. direct your letters to verizon. they hate christmas and they hate deers. >> emily: that stories about dragons teach us they can be overcome. juan, what do you think about the war on rudolph too? >> juan: this is silly. it's ridiculous. who doesn't love rudolph the red nosed reindeer? the argument is that it sort of an intellectual argument about the fact that there's so much bullying going on, so much picking, not only on rudolph but on his dad for having a son who has a red nose. the shaming of a little guy. and then he overcomes. i understand the story. i understand also that you don't want to celebrate things like shaming. like in cinderella, you don't want to go on about that. it's in the story and i think what they are saying is look at it. >> greg: they are insulting

everybody who reads. >> juan: i don't think it's about tv. it's about tv and little kids watching. someone is being bullied. >> greg: they love rudolph. everyone who watches it is on rudolph's side. this is clickbait for a pathetic website owned by verizon. >> jesse: i empathize with rudolph. i was severely bullied as a child. >> emily: were you really? >> jesse: my good looks, my intelligence. i was really cast aside. i had no friends. this is one of the things, i can see the lessons here. the point is you don't glorify the bully bulliers. >> greg: those are the french bullies. the bulliers. [laughter] >> jesse: greg, you corrected

me. dana just sat there. >> dana: i didn't want to correct you. >> emily: ahead, an epic battle of trivia. find out who will be crowned as the quiz show champion. i am not for col. i am not for just treating my symptoms... (ah-choo) i am for shortening colds when i'm sick. with zicam. zicam is completely different. unlike most other cold medicines... ...zicam is clinically proven to shorten colds. i am a zifan for zicam. oral or nasal.

♪ >> dana: as you know, i love trivia. i have been on jeopardy. i lost big time. our good friend tom shillue is here and ready to test our knowledge on fun facts like he does on his new show on fox nation. it's called "the quiz show." catch it at 7:00 p.m. weekdays. >> jesse is the only guy who's

been on the quiz show but i hope you come on. i answer questions. i ask questions. you answer them. you have a, b, c. >> greg: why are you wearing what i wear? >> let me do the questions! i am a poor man's gutfeld. you know that. question number one. in 1970, richard nixon signed a bill that prevented the television industry from doing what? a, showing full frontal. b, advertising cigarettes. or c, promoting the gaming industry. >> dana: emily is too young. >> the answer is b. don't gloat. they get tougher. what was the first toy to ever be advertised on television? was it a, the slinky.

b, mr. potato head. c, lawn darts. get your answers. all different answers. greg, you are upside down. you know that. the answer is b, mr. potato hea mr. potato head. >> juan: this is the advantage of having age on your side. >> that's right. i want you to know the first mr. potato head, his name was "make a face." >> juan: i thought it was shillue. it wasn't shillue? >> you needed to supply your own potato. emily, you got that right. greg. here we go. question number three. the nevada state prison used to have one available to its inmates? was it a, courses on dealing

blackjack. b, monthly visits from magician magicians. and face painters. or c, a casino. greg is still upside down. the answer is c. a casino. we are keeping you honest. i think our producers are counting the votes so i will know who's the winner. between 1932 -- >> greg: we don't need to know. >> emily: we need to know our history. >> the following facts are what make "the quiz show" so special. >> greg: it may be your sad life, tom. in my life, i like to move on. >> dana: we get it. >> number three, number four. which fast food mobile once shot a rival in the shoulder while fighting over advertising space. dave thomas.

ray kroc. or colonel sanders. all cards are up. the answer is c. >> juan: this is a family show. >> dana and emily are in the lead. >> dana: women are achieving everywhere. >> greg: [laughs] >> you two are behind. >> colonel sanders shot a man in self-defense. his own business associates. the man died. >> greg: that's not a good follow-up facts. that's a sad follow-up facts. >> juan: that is like the donner party. did he end up in the bucket? >> what grammy-winning rap superstar was born curtis james

jackson? a eminem. b 50-cent. c, lou dobbs. >> juan: i want to say lou dobbs but he would get mad at me. >> the answer is b. dana won. that's it. dana, juan, emily. >> greg: you looked at the answers. >> emily: do we have a champion around? tom, make up a question off the top of your head. commonly people play this game at home? to go if they to fox nation, they can watch it every night. >> greg: i don't know, despite working here, how would one subscribe?

>> go to fox nation.com and you can subscribe. greg, you have a show. i watched your wonderful interview with scott adams. >> emily: i think you are avoiding the fact that greg just got one point. >> juan: that was an attempt by emily at a cut down or a put down. which was it? >> jesse: you can see almost every single watters' world segment on fox nation which -- almost every single one. [laughter] >> juan: you got the right question. which one? do i get more respect having won both the supermarket and the quiz. >> dana: no respect. "one more thing" is up next. ♪

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30 million people on the bone marrow registry, she went online and with the help of country music star carrie underwood, more than 50,000 people signed up for the match registry. they found a match. speak out thank you from the bottom of my heart to everybody, this is more than i can even ask for, it's my christmas miracle. >> juan: she will deliver her twins before undergoing a transplant, all the best hollywood happy miracles. >> jessie: you didn't win, who was the winner? >> juan: i was the winner! >> dana: you know if you watch this show i like to read books, i like to talk about books. we're talking about fox nation, my first guest was greg gutfeld.

you can see a clip here. >> greg: i get to go with my notes and my laptop to 1 of 4 favorite bar restaurants, they know me, open up the laptop and start writing. i stopped writing when i'm too buzzed -- all of a sudden, i can't read it. >> dana: it's all about his book. >> greg: 25 minutes of that, i know. that's the best part of it, by the way. >> dana: it's up for download at fox nation.com. >> greg: you know what it's time for. animals are great. animals are great.

you're going to be so sick of this. there are two animals in this video. you've got a dog in the goat, usually these types are disgusting but not this time because the goat just jumps over the dog. the dog doesn't seem to mind because animals are great. animals are great. it's incurable. >> jessie: this is jesse's workout tip. that's not real. a chinese guy in shanghai trying to do a poll up, look what happens. down he goes. i'm going to make an analogy. this was like the chinese economy after the trump tariffs, they are trying to hang on and you can't win. >> juan: it looks like gm.

>> emily: ms. may was only a puppy when her owner who was a five year army soldier was deployed to africa. she came back after an 11 month deployment that she was worried her pup wouldn't remember her. on thanksgiving she came back with only one day notice and you can see she was jumping for joy absolutely adorable. i never get tired of these kinds of videos. >> dana: you know why, animals are great. >> jessie: i want to make sure everyone knows at home, dana is actually wearing heels. she is even shorter than she appears. that's dana without any heels, amazing. greg is also wearing heels, take your heels off. >> juan: you know what i have to state of that? greg is great.

i don't know about drinking while you are writing. >> jessie: "special report" up next with bret baier. >> bret: can you get dana an apple box? welcome to washington, i'm bret baier. were learning tonight president trump knew his former attorney was going to cop a deal hours before the rest of us as many of us were caught off guard when michael cohen pled guilty in a new york court room to lying to congress about a trump real estate project in russia. the president lambasted him today before leaving for argentina calling him weak and he's lying. while the president has been traveling, reaction to cohen's surprise plea agreement has been growing. there's a lot of talk about what cohen's agreement to work with a special counsel could now mean