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>> sandra: as we talked about, sully, the service dog, joining the former president on the plane as they depart. a retired air force general is joining us here, as we see the 41st president of the united states off to washington where he will lie in state for two days for the american public to pay their final respects, and say goodbye to a president who is being remembered so fondly and honorably today, general . >> i'm thinking about that very special family we have in america -- the bush family. they are all on that airplane together. as they take the patriarch of their family back to washington to be honored by the american people. what a really special family they truly are, and how well -- regardless of what your politics are, how well all of them have represented this country.
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they certainly ought to be admired. it would be great to see the american people respond to this. their lives are going to be long. the people will be there, and out of respect, admiration, and love for this president. i'm going to be one of them. i'm looking forward to paying honored toward him. >> bill: george w. bush, bush 43, was the first one to board air force one. i'm not aware whether he has been on board that big 747 since he left office. after leaving office -- it generally flies the former president back to whatever home they will call home in their post-presidency. this might be his first return to air force one, and it's something that every president says they mess after they leave office. they miss air force one. they miss the time aboard it, the places it takes them.
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now he gets to travel with his father, who was the first president to fly on board that particular 747. to washington, d.c., for one last flight. what a remarkable moment in time this is. >> sandra: general, it's addressing to look back at his final years. his years as a retiree. he always had that hunger for adventure. he started skydiving, right? people said "what are you doing? "they were taken aback by the fact that he wanted to do this. he said "hey, old guys can still do the stuff." it brings back the fact that people can interesting, exciting things. that was the george h.w. bush that we saw -- some of his final years, at least. he still wanted that frail. >> i think he was demonstrating how much he celebrated life. he had enthusiasm for it. it was pretty remarkable. at that age, to be doing something like that.
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his formative years, he had to deal with just terror at times. roth feared that people and conned combat had to. he was seeking to come to grips with it again at age 75. standing up on an airplane, skydiving for the first time, 75 years of age -- believe me, the fear is watching over him. "i can file this up, and i may not make it." all those things are going through his mind. but he goes off the plane anyway. that captured the imagination of the american people quite a bit. to go back and do it every five years after that, absolutely remarkable. a demonstration of how to deal with the twilight of your life. >> sandra: as we await the departure here of special air mission 41, what were your thoughts as you look back at the
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departure ceremony? honors rendered, simultaneous 21-gun salute? it's got to be incredibly moving. is moving for all americans to see that. a retired 4-star general, as you see off our 41st president. what are your thoughts? >> i'm like every other american out there. we have a very good man here who became president of the united states, and we honored him. he was beloved. i just felt so much pride for those troops that are standing there, knowing they wanted to get this perfect. they did that. out of respect for him, and they are doing their duty. perfection is their duty. they stepped up to it. seeing that entire family there certainly, i think, washes all over us. shows how much that family has
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done for this country. and it all got started, obviously, with this president and his marvelous wife, barbara. as they set out in their life after the war was over and began their life in texas. what a truly remarkable history it is. and that ceremony was done in perfection, and that's the way it should be. he was honored in that ceremony, as he will be in the ceremonies to come. i'm looking forward to seeing the american people step out into the capital to pay their respects to him. >> of course, it was a parachute that carried the young george w. bush to safety as he was shot down at the age of 20, i believe. he resumed later in life, his presidency and come after those gems. great to have you on this morning. >> it was my honor. thank you. >> at ellington field in
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houston, as they fire up the four engines on that big 747. some final observances today? >> it was on the honor for us to be here as well, john. i want to mention, some of the military. that included the 77th army band from fort sill, oklahoma. who played "hail to the chief." we heard a 21 gun salute here as as well, with members of the bush family. as he mentioned, among those walked onto this plane, after president george h.w. bush's casket was removed by the honor guard and then carried to the waiting air force one, which is now, of course, special air mission 41. the engines are up, they will begin taxiing shortly. and then take off, here, from arlington field. the reserve base here at the joint installation.
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obviously, today, hosting air force one. taking care as they make their way back. three and half hour flight. they should be on the ground here in d.c. sometime in the middle of this afternoon. >> sandra: to the engines are running up now. now, rick, special air mission 41 will make its way to washington d.c. where the former president of a lie in state for a couple of days, there. before bush 41 makes his way back to houston. great final thoughts on the ground, there, as we are about to see the plane take off. >> is just remarkable, the things he accomplished in his life. so many things that people may have forgotten about. so many lives that he changed. certainly, here in houston, he is very, very well respected. very well-love. people have turned out. not just here at this airfield, to see him off across the city.
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paying their respects, wherever they can. of course, the president will be back here for a funeral for texas loved ones and dignitaries before he is laid to rest in texas, next to his beloved wife, barbara. it's just an incredible experience to be here and see the outpouring of love and support here on the ground. to see the folks here come to see this man off. this great man. >> sandra: took with the late president, "the only thing about getting old, i want to be around to see the success in life." at 94 years old, he passed on friday. he certainly saw a lot of successes in his lifetime. including his beloved wife, barbara. his six children, 17 grandchildren, eight great-grandchildren, some of which are there and some are on board that plane now to bid him farewell. and travel back to washington on what will be his final trip to washington. >> john: still parachuting, at
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the age of 90. a little more than four years ago when he turned 90. he made one of those tendon parachute gems. he observed afterward, "just because you're an old guy you don't have to sit around drooling in the corner. get out onto something. get out and enjoy life." clearly, he did that. living his life with zest and zeal up to the very end. speed to the nation is watching now as we see air force one aboe wheels-up and heading to washington. the president and first lady will be attending his funeral on wednesday. this will be a big several days of private and public viewings and ceremonies to pay final respects. this country looks on at our 41st president. we remember him so fondly for so many reasons. as a politician, as a military man, and as a beloved father who touched the lives of so many. and so many of the stories we
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have heard today, talking to people who knew him so well, and worked so closely, so intimately with him. they remember him -- and this struck me -- not only is a wonderful man, a leader, but an inspiring but tough. a lot of people use that word. he smiled a lot, but he was tough. but inspiration he had as a leader, as a father. it will have such a lasting impact on this country. and you saw that honorable send-off, they are, on the ground. interesting to hear the army band from fort sill, oklahoma. it's a very moving ceremony. the beginning of several over the next couple of days. >> jon: that nickname, "gampy," that's what the children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren. that's how they knew him. to get the census was a very close family and they will miss this man very much. as it has been pointed out, for
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them, this is not a deep sadness. another time of sadness. it's a time to celebrate a life lived well, lived long, and great accomplishment and service to this nation. >> sandra: his dog, sully come on board with him seeing him off safely to washington. one of a note -- family spokesperson today sending out a picture of the socks you will be laid to rest wearing. he was a style fashion icon, if you will. you love to wear fashionable, loud socks at times. he became known for it. the family made sure to let us all know. he will be wearing some special ones to be laid to rest in today. a beautiful ceremony, sending the former president off to washington to lie in state at the u.s. capitol rotunda where he will be for the next couple of days. thank you so much for joining us live in america's newsroom to see off the 41st president to
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passed away on friday, and his departure ceremony from houston. he's off to washington, d.c., now. we will have continuing coverage on the fox news channel. please stay tuned right here for coverage of this story throughout the day. thank you for joining us right here. i'm sandra smith in new york. >> jon: s the 747 gets ready to fly, the president, the former president, from around houston to washington, d.c., -- it's about a three and a half hour flight. that 747 is a screamingly fast airplane with those 4 inches. tailwinds. that's what they would say in the navy. that's what they are having now as he makes his final flight above air force one. >> sandra: a windy day in houston, as you saw the family members out on the tarmac for the ceremony. the wind was certainly blowing. an aviation expert says that will be no problem. the american people say goodbye
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as he departs for washington, d.c., and we say goodbye here. thank you for joining us. continuing coverage of the passing of our 41st president, george w. bush. it's wheels up for special intermission 41. "outnumbered" continues now. >> harris: we will pick up the coverage they are, as president george w. bush is on board for his last journey. special admission 41 heading to washington, d.c., after a departure ceremony in houston, texas with the bush family in attendance. you watch it live here on fox news. the former president's remains will lie in state at the capitol rotunda, beginning this evening until a state funeral at the national cathedral on wednesday. president trump has declared a national day of mourning on that day. this is to be 25. i'm harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis. host of "kennedy" on fox business network, kennedy herself.
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fox news analyst, cohost of "benson & harf" on fox radio, marie harf. in the center seat, matt schlapp. chair of the american conservative unit, and former white house clinical director for president george w. bush. while back. it is a heavy moment, but i hear so much joy from the family members and people who knew the former president. you were joyful as he sat down. it's a point of celebration for those of you who have known and loved him. >> matt: well, when someone has died who has lived a great, big, full life -- and when that person has the deep faith that george h.w. bush had -- the greatest gift they gave us when they die is that we know where they are going. >> harris: amen. these are life pictures. we will stay with air force one for as long as we can. we know that special mission later to this we can come and awaited the remains of the president. the family gathered today, and now the beautiful location of rarefied air as a former pilot he has seen that throughout his.
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the youngest in the navy at the time. we want to give him a civilian salute from this couch today. kennedy, your thoughts? >> kennedy: ethic it's really nice how he stuck the landing. when jon scott was talking about the quote he gave on his 90th birthday, when he went skydiving instead of drooling in the corner. it really is inspirational. it's so tough for a family to lose -- you think of his children, losing both parents within a year. especially to have such public events. my heart really goes out to them. the nice thing is, it's rare that we really pause for a moment to sum up someone's life. we were able to do that in april for mrs. bush, and now for president bush. we get to dive into the aspects of his life that are not often talked about, including, as matt pointed out, his beautiful article, his time as a navy young men. think about it, he was the cia
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director under gerald ford. in addition to being the ambassador to the u.s. >> harris: air force one is out of frame now, so we know that in about three and half hours or a little bit less you will end in washington, d.c., and we will pick up our coverage from their in terms of being able to see more parts of the journey. but we will continue the conversation here. your thoughts? >> melissa: you made a great point about the dignity with which he lived his life after his presidency. sort of the joyful embrace of life, action-packed, very active, but not looking back. not holding onto that -- just come of dignity and the love of life. he taught so many great lessons to the people around him. here is one, vice president quayle. here's what he had to say. >> a lot of folks -- they ask me, "what's the legacy," and i
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say "that's a tough question. historians will sort that out. in my view, his legacy, variabla compliment. when he left office, the economy was growing five or 6%. the berlin wall came down. central europe freed from the oak of company's. semi things in a short period of time. the domestic front, as well. >> harris: hearing from the former vice president with maria bartiromo yesterday. one of his compliments -- because he had to -- was working with democrats on the hill. he didn't have the bicameral leadership among one party that we see with our current president and have seen in years since. >> marie: it really feels like an end of an era in american politics. i felt similarly when i said goodbye to john mccain a few months ago. that these were men who served in the military. many cultures that have, just because of the timing. they volunteered, were working
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across the aisle, were gracious in victory and defeat. when you look at what george deitch w bush said to bill clinton when he was giving him advice, when he was giving -- dignity and class that he had in that office and after. i think it feels like an era of american politics that many of us missed. we wish politics was more like this today. i think this is another reason, on top of the personal sadness, that this is -- and sad for our country, that he is gone. >> harris: a lot of people think we can get back to that. i remain ever hopeful. he is a reminder of what that can look like. >> marie: absolutely. >> harris: be sure to keep you here on fox news. martha maccallum will anchor our special coverage of the ceremony at the u.s. capitol rotunda where george w. bush will lie in state. leaders of the house and senate will pay their respects, and vice president pence will also be there.
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he is scheduled to speak, actually. you can watch that life coverage right here on fox. we'll have more this hour, as well, on the life and legacy of the former president, george h.w. bush. this was moments ago, as air force run one begin the flt to washington, d.c. set to arrive in three and half hours at joint base andrews. a bush spokesperson treated this image of the service dog, sully, ly president's casket on sunday along with the caption "mission: complete." #remembering41. close close hap alright, i brought in ensure max protein...
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amounts of product from us, including agricultural from our farmers. >> melissa: the president come again, touting the deal this morning, tweeting "my meeting in argentina with president xi of china was an extraordinary one. relations making a big leap forward. very good things will happen, we are dealing with great strength and china likewise has much to gain if and when i deal is completed. to level the field." both sides say that deals have to be hammered out, but steve mnuchin is confident we are seeing the outlines of a final deal. steve mnuchin -- i'm going to go on, he said there were very specific items. we have been working on this for a long time. for a year and a half. we got down to brass tacks. steve mnuchin is no joke. he has negotiated many detailed deals over his lifetime, and he understands finance well. this is a hopeful time. >> matt: it is. for all of the critics that
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trump's trade were rhetoric wod never be matched with the recalibration of these major relationships. we saw it with mexico first, and canada had to go along. kicking and screaming. he really did renegotiate nafta. now you have america's number one economic foe, and national security foe, looking at donald trump. they look at him and say "i think you serious about wanting to have reciprocal trade." that's all got to get written down. these are massive steps. >> melissa: steve mnuchin makes it sound like a lot of it is already written down pay they worked into the details. we heard a little bit ago on fox business network with larry kudlow, the national senior advisor of economics. he said come at that point, in the next 90 days -- this 90 day cease-fire -- we will see something's going to get done that are big. they would only know that if they had already talked about these things. i have a quick question for you, marie -- democrats of a choice to make. are they going to let this deal
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go through, or are they going to try and get in there and do something? same with the usmca. >> marie: on china, there is no deal yet. the brass tacks he mentioned that steve minasian was talking about, those important. posers have details. they won't be a cakewalk working them out with the chinese. there are significant tariffs. they aren't going up, but we still have significant tariffs on right now. we will have to see those details breed the devil be all in them. there are political questions that you ask about whether congress would approve the new nafta, the updated nafta. i think there'll be some tough questions. tough questions asked. ultimately, i think it will. it's likely not a drastic change. it's not. >> melissa: speaking on this one, the factual difference -- on november 1st, 1500 tariffs from china. they lowered them on their end. as a sign of concession. so we actually have already seen
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movements. >> kennedy: is critical for them to lower the tariffs, and it would be great if you have barrier-free trade with china. we have yet to see how they will address some of the international property. which is, in my mind, the most critical issue. in some ways the tariffs are secondary. the market its love it. if you want the markets to go up, let's rip the trade. >> melissa: steve mnuchin mentioned that specifically, and the battles of the boardwalk continues as the count is on to avoid the government shutdown. whether the president will be open to compromise, and why this issue is causing tension among democrats. ♪ norably. one of the benefits that we as a country give you as a veteran is the eligibility for a va loan for up to 100% of your home's value. if you need cash for your family, call newday usa. with automatic authority from the va, we can say yes when banks say no.
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♪ >> harris: a ceremony celebrating the life and legacy of george h.w. bush could push back this friday's deadline to prevent take part though my government shutdown. they want to avoid a contentious
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debate during week of her members. front and center, president trump demand $5 billion to fund the border wall. the president tweeted this. "we would save billions of dollars if they would give us the votes to build the wall. either way, people will not be allowed into the country illegally! we will close the entire southern border if necessary. also, stop the drugs." my big question -- and i'm so glad you are here -- why haven't come up until now, republicans helped this president get the funding for his wall? we can blame democrats all we want, but how does the situation happen where he does get the vote among the republicans even in the house? >> matt: this shouldn't be shocking news, but there's a lot of republicans who have been in congress a long time. they view the donald trump agenda as a bit of an indictment on their failure to solve problems. >> melissa: yeah, i'd say! [laughs] >> matt: they believe they are either on for the wall, or they
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don't want to agree that the immigration policy of the southern border has been a complete failure. >> harris: let me get this straight -- they were to fail twice, then. they failed, they didn't want it done, and now they can't push for. there was some room. >> matt: there is a deal to be had of democrats want to actually give donald trump something to sign. but he does have problems with his own party. it's a quote a for question. >> melissa: i think that's where the deal is to be had, there's something both sides want. there's something both sides can't live with where they have to give and take. i think he has a better chance of democrats. it's the republicans -- i agree with you. they failed him. >> matt: we are having a change in coalition and politic. sometimes they call it -- that there is a new group, a new way of looking at politics. the republican party as a monolith. i think we now have a conservative community, a republican community, and a trump community. there is mostly overlapped, but not complete. it's a lot of change. it makes a lot of people uncomfortable.
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i'm good with it because i think we need the change. >> kennedy: i think it's fantastic, because i think this two party system so outdated. it serves almost no one. the president is really the first president who is realizing that things are broken up into coalitions. he had jeff sessions as attorney general, but he was also talking about pretty radical criminal justice reform at the same time, which is also a darling subject of progressives. if you can take these coalitions in areas where you need them -- >> melissa: that's a great point. >> kennedy: instead of us versus them, one team versus the other, northwestern versus ohio state -- and the buckeyes won that game. [laughter] >> harris: senior not a long, as kennedy and matt are talking. i totally get why we are at the point now where the president might be on the precipice of a deal with democrats. the question is, how did they want to find their legacy integration? it isn't just republicans. they haven't done more than they should or what they could.
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democrats are guilty, too pay they had a super majority and couldn't get it done. >> marie: both sides of going to the extremes and immigration. i think my party, the democrats, are right now also going through some conversations about how they want to leave the house. we have progressives who won in the selection, and there are many of them who have certain feelings on immigration. a lot of the recent democrats took the majority were moderates from places like the suburbs of conservative cities from the midwest. michigan, pennsylvania, south carolina, kansas. you can go around the country. these are not abolished democrats. we are doing simone figuring out in the democratic party. there might be a stop gamma dominant gap measure. if we're sitting here in ever but he wants to go home for christmas -- nobody want to fight over this week. which i understand. >> melissa: if they want to fight, why do they sit down like adults and make a deal?
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>> matt: because congress is so dysfunctional. the only time you will ever see a deal is when they have their backs to the wall. >> harris: republicans are now not going to control the house. how much morgan's law can you get? >> matt: at the think the present is serious about wanting is $5 million. what is more serious about than anything else -- and hopefully we can all agree on this -- how about this? follow the immigration laws. they are extensive in comp again and we don't follow them. because judges come along and give people a lightning bolt, a reason why they have to be able to come into the country around the law. that has to stop. >> kennedy: simplify them. that's the job congress. >> harris: wow, we've got it all figured out. kind of. president trump's attorney, rudy giuliani, with more harsh words for the special counsel. the president isn't holding back, either. and one person who could be central to the investigation filing a criminal complaint against robert mueller, saying he wanted him to live.
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to create better futures for us all. ♪ >> marie: president trump's lawyer, rudy giuliani, slamming robert mueller -- accusing him of unethical tax risk and discrimination after michael cohen pled guilty to lying to congress. this comes weeks after the written answers were submitted from the president. meanwhile, author jerome corsi -- a former associate of a rubber doll roger stone -- alleging that mueller's team tried to trick them into lying under oath. the echo that sentiment the weekend. >> there is no circumstance under which i would testify against the president, because i would have to bear false witness against him. i have to make things up, and i'm not going to do that. >> marie: stone and corsi now
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figuring that stone asked him for information on wikileaks' initial dump off hacked dnc emails. he denies that, but incoming house chairman adam shifts think medications between him and corsi suggest otherwise. >> the emails he read them, this exchange is from corsi -- which i think he provided to the press -- the substance of those emails are inconsistent with his testimony before our committee. the emails are inconsistent with the testimony before the committee. the testimonies be provided to the special counsel for consideration of whether perjury charges are warranted. >> marie: so, matt, roger stone and jerome corsi both have a checkered past. with their political involvements. i'm trying to be diplomatic, here. clearly, there appears to be some communication with wikileaks. that's what it looks like special counsel is looking at. what you make of this latest development with both of those men? >> matt: marie, this is really
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simple. >> marie: laid out for me, then. [laughs] >> matt: he has set over a year. he said subpoena power and all the money in the world to go after anybody and get them under oath. he doesn't have a case. he has some -- he has some facts he believes that point toward may be a conclusion, like you are talking, but all he is doing is he is taking the dirt he has gotten on people like cohen. and he's squeezing them to get everything he can out of them. we talked about criminal justice reform. i tell you, coming out of the special counsel, i think what people want is they want a time limit on these investigations. they want a budget limit. look, we just had a big nationwide campaign. show me the democratic ad, the 30-second ad come on russian collusion. they didn't run it. because, you know what? the american people over it. there is no case. show us what you got, put your cards in the table, and let's move on. >> marie: i agree, i went to see all his cards. we are in agreement on that.
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harris, focusing on roger stone and jerome corsi -- if it turns out they were working with wikileaks or they knew when the hacked dnc emails were coming before anyone else, that seems like a big deal. >> harris: for them, and their legal process, absolutely it would be if that's the case. but, you know -- the biggest question i think that is still out there has to do with what the president knew, and when he knew it. >> marie: that's very watergate. >> harris: if you have any shady people, these questions are involved, it's hard to kind of know where you are. we've got to wait and see what he has pieced together. just take for a moment of all the characters that we know -- and i would ask you this, because i know you do polling for c pack. >> matt: will you call me a character question marks to go to the mega people care about that customer would denzin polling. what resonates with voters? >> matt: obviously, the russian fusion thing doesn't play at all.
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weeks ago. what people want to know is his son somebody does in the ground, there is transparency. i think the number one thing -- the reason why his numbers are so poor at almost every poll, harris, is because he almost looks like he's playing a game. he's blackmailing people into saying things and doing things. because a scummy part of the past. >> harris: process crime. >> matt: i don't want to condone that. >> there might be something there. he might have something. things are starting to seem a little weird. uno else who might have customer can i have something on the dossier. i hope he does. if they are putting one aspect of filthy, dirty, disgusting politics, cavorting with combustible russians on one side, they have to do it on the other. they might be something there. >> marie: we will seed tuned and see. hopefully soon. i had come of the george w. bush presidential library releasing
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>> welcome back. we are learning more about the life of george h.w. bush, the husband, the father, patriarch of the bush family. he never wrote a memoir, but he did send letters and kept a diary from the age of 18. now, the bush presidential library is releasing excerpts of those writings. there is a letter he wrote his children, dated september, 1998. "i don't respect to be on the a-team anymore, but i want to play golf with you and i want to fish or throw shoes. and i want to enjoy your victory spread i want to be there for you if you get a bout to bad bouncing life. you will, because the seas get rough." he was deeply involved in the lives of his children. on "60 minutes," president george w. bush, his son, told the story by the first time the two presidents were inside the oval office together. watch. >> he walks in, i said "mr. president! welcome." and he said "thank you, mr. president."
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that's pretty much all that was set for a while. it was a very profound moment for me. >> what did he say to you and your president? >> "i love you." as corny as that sounds to some, it is the most important words you can hear in life. you don't hear a lot of people say i love you when you are president. [laughs] [laughter] >> harris: he's right about that. >> kennedy: you have been writing about this and taking a look back on the life of the 41st president. what strikes you most in this moment? >> matt: that we talk about this almost like a time of the past, when people acted a certain way in politics. there was a gentleman leanness to him that i think is very unique. i think we're missing it a little bit. he was tough. he ran against ronald reagan, he threw punches. he threw down. he was plenty tough. i think we can overly sentimental eyes, this sweet guy.
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he was. he it had a tender heart, but he was tough. he -- the head of the caa come of the u.n. ambassador, the first investor to china. if you are -- the sneer, they said he was a wimpy guy. he wasn't a wimpy guy. he was a strong guy with a tender heart. >> harris: sometimes the greatest strength is knowing when to stay quiet and not make mistakes. when he think about the cold war and what was going on with russia at the time, things were popping off across europe. not giving an overreaction, but actually sitting back and calculating what your next move is going to be. so that you don't make the situation more incendiary. they may have made him look like he wasn't leaning in, but he was. >> matt: it wasn't always about him. >> kennedy: is interesting, we examine the relationship that he had with his son, george w. bush. and what a unique thing that is. he also had a great relationship with another former president, and president clinton wrote another article this weekend extolling the virtues of his
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predecessor. they didn't get to know each other until 2004 or 2005 in the wake of tsunami relief and hurricane katrina. he also said that president bush had written him the most beautiful solid letter that he had read when he arrived in the white house for the first time. >> marie: that letter is making its rounds nonsocial media. you should read it. it shows -- what makes this country great, part of it, is the peaceful transfer of power. we have elections, people get to decide. somebody new comes into the oval office. the letter is quite beautiful. to go back to harris' point, president bush -- when the cold war started coming to an end, when the wall fell, when eastern europe was changing over night it felt like it, people wanted him to do the end zone dance. people wanted him to stomp on the crumbling berlin wall and say "freedom won it, capitalism won!" and he said "i'm not going to do that!
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that would embolden hardliners." in the crippling soviet union. that's not in the national security interests. as matt said, it wasn't all about him. he was playing a strong but long game in foreign policy at the end of the cold war and managing that geopolitical moment. we think about it now, but it's not. >> melissa: it's a great reminder right now, he showed what it looks like to be a really good man. he was married to his wife are more than 70 years. he had a beautiful family, that encountered many flaws and challenges along the way. the dignity with which he and barbara supported those children through life and where there for them and let them stumble and pick themselves up -- it just really is a testament to how you lead your life. in today's day and age, it's wonderful to have that example look back and show your kids. >> harris: i go back, matt, to his military routes. we were talking during the commercial about his being a pilot and not choosing one lane but choosing another.
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>> matt: think about it, he had all this wealth. his father was a senator, he was going to go to yale, he's a brilliant guy. he has all the wealth and all the power. he puts it on pause, puts it to the side, and goes and fights for his country. he could have done a lot of things. he could have uses power to maybe get a cushy job in the military. but he did one of the most dangerous things. he was a pilot. >> kennedy: right after pearl harbor. it's almost inconceivable. we'll continue our coverage of the life and legacy of president george h.w. bush. we've got more "outnumbered" in just a moment.
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>> melissa: think you to matt schlapp, a great day to have you on the couch. we are back here at noon eastern tomorrow. here's harris. >> harris: let's get to the breaking news now. america, remembering our 41st president as the body of president george h.w. bush is being flown to washington, d.c., right now. aboard air force one. we go "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. the final trip to washington. the casket, carrying george hw but it's headed to the nation's capital after a departure ceremony involving his family in houston, texas. he sought hear it live on fox. his remains or is your means will lie and say that the capitol rotunda, a final farewell before a state funeral at the national cathedral on wednesday.

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