your mother was suspicious. some of the doctors didn't think. >> the chief of staff was asking what do you think and i said jump. after all, it had to have made him feel very young. >> sean: that's all the time we have left this evening. our prayers for the bush family. laura ingraham standing by in washington. >> laura: sean, good to see you, fantastic show tonight and it's a weird feeling in washington. an odd moment for all of us who grew up and worked in the reagan-bush administration. >> sean: when my political interest came from. watching those 12 years defined my love of politics. >> laura: for all of us. thanks so much, sean, great show tonight. i'm laura ingraham. this is "the ingraham angle." a day of trib after the passing of the 41st president of the united states, george h.w. bush and how the media are using this

occasion to hit the current occupant of the white house, president trump. and a jarring admission from a u.n. panel. could criticizing mass migrations become a criminal offense? a story you will need to see to believe. plus president trump and rudy giuliani are opening new lines of attack on how bob mueller is conducting witness interviews. with no collusion in sight, has the special council counsel crossed the rubicon? but first, honoring bush by bashing trump. that's the focus of tonight's "angle." with a former president passes away it's appropriate to celebrate his life, his achievements and to remind the public of his record and his legacy. sadly, though, with the death of george h.w. bush some in the media and politicians from both parties are abusing this moment to trash, instead, the sitting president. as the bush motorcade was making

its way to the capitol for the last time msnbc's nicole wallace, a former bush aide herself could not restrain herself. >> i think what everyone is getting at is under donald trump the office of the presidency has been debased in a way that's unimaginable for people woserved every past president. i think what's lost in this moment is our reverence and the way we need the traditions of the presidency. >> laura: she's trashing the current president as the motorcade is inching its way up capitol hill. then there was this gem from earlier in the day. >> let's see what happens at wednesday's memorial service. my prediction is that trump fakes more respect for a family whose unprecedented history of public service has repeatedly belittled, then he goes back to

making a mockerby of the very office president bush and this nation long revered. >> laura: president bush was a man who loved his country, loved his family, his faith and his friends. he was a war hero and a dedicated public servant throughout most of his life. so are these folks really honoring that legacy and his innate sense of decency and kindness by slashing the man who entered the white house 25 years after him? look, even if you don't care for president trump, even if you just hate president trump, trying showing just a little bit of class and decorum, as bush 41 would have. the hits on trump -- subtle and not subtle at all -- have been interwoven throughout the commentary and the coverage. >> they both believe that the presidency is bigger than themselves which is not

something that this president always adheres to. >> what george herbert walker bush is being remembered for this week isn't a tweet or isn't a press release or nothing much more than his fundamental character. >> i do not know how it's going to work when donald trump is an ex-president and theoretically a member of this club. i really think it's going to change because i don't think these men who share something in common will share that in common with donald trump. >> laura: at some point you don't even know what to say to these people. that was ron clain, by the way. they reduce a presidential death to just a political battering ram like any other issue. but what you hear -- if you listen closely, is the last gasp of an embittered establishment. as we have seen across europe and across much of the united states, populism is swamping the old guard, whether it's on the right or on the left, so rather

than direct their anger at trump, the establishment frankly in both parties should be directing it at themselves, for it is their policies that the voters turned against in 2016. things like open bord efrz, china trade, nafta, high taxes, endless wars, those weren't trump policies, they were the policies of the establishment and the establishment g. o. p.'ers think the way to win them back is to belittle president trump even during formal on-air eulogies and tributes? at a time like this when a father, a grandfather, a great grandfather and a former president has died, we should be bigger than the petty politics of the moment. i think we should be capable of uniting as americans and celebrating the best of george h.w. bush without resorting to

the same old usual political snark and calumny, and isn't that what president bush would have wanted? and that's the angle. joining me now we have an amazing panel. former governor of arkansas and fox news contributor mike huckabee. biographer craig shirley and former white house counsel to president george h.w. bush c. boyden gray. president bush would love the fact that we're getting together to talk about this moment and his legacy and honor him for his patriotism, his love of country, his deep sense of public service. craig, i want to start with you. you knew him -- i knew him not as well as boyden. i want to hear from boyden. i worked for president reagan. reagan-bush. if it weren't for reagan-bush i wouldn't be here. >> neither would i. it would be a different world. >> laura: a different world.

i have to believe that the man he was wouldn't have loved a lot of the stuff he's hearing. >> it's amazing. that when eisenhower was in office they derided eisenhower as he couldn't read because his lips were chapped then he becomes a battering ram used against the establishment by conservatives, richard nixon was cited the other day on msnbc as an exemplary president. remember how they treated richard nixon in office. gerald ford was mocked when he was in the office then they made him an exemplary figure. they like republican presidents wono longer have power. they bashed the heck out of george bush when he was in office, annoy the bumper sticker in 1992, annoy the media, in 1988 he had famous dust-ups with the media, he banned "newsweek" from his campaign plane because they produced that awful cover. >> laura: i have to say, boyden,

as the white house counsel you knew the bushes so well. when i first met you it was at the end of the bush era in 1992. a heartbreaking loss. listening to bill kristol today, he tried to capture what he thought were the big conflicts of the moment, at a time where it's great to honor who bush was. let's watch. >> there were reagan republicans and bush republicans, jusk republicans and mccain republicans, what strikes me is what they have in common, some were a little more conservative than others, they had different views on some issues but they all respected the country, respected the institutions, tried to live up to what they thought was a pretty impressive history, pretty impressive future for this country and that is unfortunately, i believe, a contrast with donald trump's republican party. >> laura: i kind of agreed with everything up until the last minute, boyden, your sense about just how rank the abuse of this

moment is just to, again, as craig said, bash trump. >> it doesn't make any sense and he wouldn't have done this -- that is, 41 wouldn't have, and two of trump's greatest achievements, deregulation and judges were right identity of the bush playbook so i don't understand why kristol would turn what was actually a pretty good recital into a negative in the last two sentences. doesn't make any sense. >> laura: governor huckabee, like all of us sitting here who owe so much to the reagan-bush legacy, to see the family gather. this is a moment of mourning and it is a moment of reflection on a life well lived. policy debates. they're important. craig writes about them. i spoke about them. but at this moment it's about this incredible man. what an amazing family this was. they were well to do but they never lost that innate sense of

love of country and love of family, and their faith, which is being underplayed by some today, conveniently. >> if i'm going to get a lesson in how to deal with a death and how to do it with class and dignity, i'm not going to look to mika brzezinski or nicole wallace, i'm going to look to president bush, even if he was not fond of the president he intentionally made sure that this president would be invited to be a part of the funeral service. laura, that's class. that's dignity. that's the president bush that we loved and considered to be a great statesman, who loved his country more than he disliked anybody, and i think he gave us the template for how to handle these kind of moments and we ought to be taking our lessons from the man that we're honoring whose casket lies in state at the capitol right now. >> laura: i always get such a

lump in my throat when you see the casket being walked up the steps, and it's just -- it's sad that these are the types of moments that are required to get us to stop for a moment -- or should stop for a moment. we're americans. we want to be successful, and free, and independent. we have an incredible history and incredible founding documents. it shouldn't be these moments. i want to talk for a moment about the recasting of the historical narrative. craig, we talked about this a little bit on the radio this morning. some of the more absurd moments of the past 24 hours came when the rabidly anti-trump press again tried to piggyback on the death of an american patriot to defend their own reputations. >> he understood that the press wasn't the enemy of the people, and even said basically at the end of the day "we're all in this together and i will be here for you just like i know you would be here for me."

what a remarkable difference between 1988 and 2018. >> i think was a mark of that sense of respect as i say that was very, very noticeable then and is all -- is virtually absent. >> he had good relations with the media. he called us the media. invited us to white house dinners occasionally. kept up with us. i was reading maureen dowd. i love maureen dowd. >> laura: this rank revisionism is stunning and they regularly spewed vile against george h.w. bush. boyden, you worked at the white house. i was here as a young reagan staffer. they were trashing himp. maureen dowd who is lionizing him today. i love her writing. it's very fun. she used to belittle the bushes like what they watched. what they listened to for music. i was reading a column from may 1st, 1990, she called them the gracious cruise director of international politics,

lampooned him for patting barbara on the derrier during the dukakis campaign. that's the nice stuff she said about him. as for the relationship with the press as we alluded to earlier look at this 1987 "newsweek" cover, bush considered it the cheapest shot of his career. referring to him as the wimp factor. how about this relationship with dan rather during a 1988 interview. >> well, dan, let's be careful here -- >> i want you to be careful, mr. vice president. how do you explain -- you can't remember the other people at the meeting said he was apoplectic. >> i wasn't there at that point. >> you weren't at the meeting? >> i don't remember it. >> i don't want to be argumentative. >> it's not fair to judge my whole career by a rehash on iran. how would you like it if i junld your career by those seven minutes when you walked off the set in new york? would you like that?

i don't have respect for what you are doing here tonight. >> laura: give us all a break. we could go on and on with this but helen thomas, all of these crowd -- >> "the washington post" once wrote that george bush reminded every woman of her first husband, in the 1980 campaign he got in a contentious argument with a group of reporters because they charged he wasn't tough enough to be president. this man was a war hero. he set out in the wilds of texas to create a business. of course he was tough enough and he got really angry with them. he said none of you ever had to watch your child die. i did." this idea he wasn't tough enough to be president is nonsense. the wimp factor was written by evan thomas, the original red-diaper baby, his parents well known rich limousine liberals, they viciously attacked him all during his presidential career. >> laura: i'm going to tweet this column after the show or

during the commercial break. bush's taste down home to less so ridiculing -- i'm reading this one piece because it captures -- everything that the elite think -- and they were the elite -- the bushes were the elites. this is the media elites trashing bush because he was a republican, boyden. >> i knew he was going to win the election with that dan rather thing. i happened to be in the white house, couldn't leave for three hours because of the response. >> laura: love it. >> they loved it. to think he was a wimp for something like that when he took on dan rather, that was one of the high points of his campaign. >> laura: boyden, you were there, craig was there, i was there. this was nonstop combat. looking back reagan was an avuncular man, trump is so mean, bush -- bush was tough when he needed to be. they were different personalities. different world experiences. so what? it's ok. >> evan thomas and "newsweek" was banned --

>> laura: banned from air force one, mike huckabee, jamie gangel who interviewed the bushes -- bush did not vote for donald trump. called him a blowhard according to -- said "i didn't like trump, i know he's a blowhard." bush didn't like trump. that's fine. i disagree with him but it's fine. jamie gangel spoke today on cnn about whether the bush funeral and the memory of george h.w. bush will necessarily alter the way donald trump speaks. like he should have different policies, i guess, because george h.w. bush passed away and i want to play this exchange for you, governor, and have you react on the other side. let's watch. >> will it have an effect on the tenor of this town? >> it's a great point and a great question because we had this conversation just three months ago when we said farewell to senator mccane and everybody thought maybe that would be a reset moment in washington and, of course, it was not. >> the bush family has said he

has the white house and i think john kelly has been responsible for this that they have really just opened the doors, bent over backwards to make everything work. >> but come next week do we see a more bipartisan washington when they get back to the border wall fight, when we're back to new developments on the special counsel? i would not bet on it. >> laura: governor, trump should give up the wall because george h.w. bush died. that's the argument they're actually making on cnn. >> sophistry. every president has his own personality, their own focus. the media in what you just played reminded us why most americans absolutely don't trust them and hold them in contempt. every president has their contentious relationship with the press. this one we have now is probably -- maybe has the most contentious relationship but is in large measure because the press absolutely refuses to be journalists and they just want to be opinion mangers.

it's unfortunate that taking what ought to be the celebration of a great patriot, a great statesman, a great, selfless servant of this nation and instead of focusing upon his qualities they're trying to focus on what they perceive to be as the lack of qualities in donald trump -- the very qualities that many americans, frankly, believe to be the reason he's president right now. >> laura: 7% of the media voted for him. that many? >> laura: they embrace a republican in death but don't treat them fairly in life when they're in office appointing people like justice clarence thomas. they trashed him for clarence thomas for whom i worked and

love. that is the world as it is. we're not trying to gloss over the real differences that exist but craig, reagan and bush. you have written about it. "rendezvous with destiny" which is one of the great biographies of reagan. tell us about that. >> it was very contentious. they didn't get along. the 1980's primaries, boyden was there. it was heated. it was argumentative. they were in two cultural universes. one was more moderate, one was more conservative, it was a marriage of convenience at the detroit convention, reagan opposed picking bush most considered the obvious choice because he had come in second in the primaries, they sought the co-presidency with gerald ford and sought paul laxalt of nevada on the ticket. they resisted the idea of

picking george bush. >> laura: they ended up with eight years in the white house and a good pick in the end. >> that's politics. >> laura: that's politics. it's a trade-off, right, boyden? >> absolutely, it was a great choice and reagan really appreciated bush who never wanted to take credit for the great things he did for reagan. reagan knew. >> laura: in a way, a perfect vice president. >> he was. yes. >> laura: governor huckabee, final thoughts? >> i think it's a great time for us to reflect on what service and sacrifice is all about. george bush was a courageous man who enlisted to serve his country under age, shot down. he lived his life -- an exemplary life of family, faith and love of country. god bless him and god bless his memory. >> laura: we should pray tonight for his family and all those who are grieving and mourning. for our country. learn something, going forward, about you can disagree but at these moments it's time to be americans and stand for all the

goodness in his life. a great panel. thank you so much. president trump and his attorney rudy giuliani ramping up their attacks on the special counsel. is their anger warranted at this juncture? an examination in depth next.

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line now with the way he's intimidating people in order to tell what he believes is his version of the truth. an ethical prosecutor would stop this and pursue some other line of inquiry with other people. you can only exert a certain amount of pressure before it becomes unethical and destructive. >> laura: the president's lawyer, rudy giuliani is taking aim at what he calls the destructive tactics deployed by special counsel bob mueller's team followed by the president taking issue with a possible plea deal between his old lawyer michael cohen and mueller's team, a deal that could spare jail time. he can do all the terrible unrelated to trump things having to do with fraud, big loans, taxes and not serve a long prison term? he lied for this outcome and should in my opinion serve a full and complete sentence. throw away the key.

joining me is former watergate prosecutor, matt schlaap, john, let me start with you. is there message to this madness employed by the president and giuliani tag-teaming on mueller? what's the theory, strategy, point of that? >> i don't think it's madness. i think they need to maintain support in the senate and most importantly with the american people but as a defense lawyer michael cohen is a cream dream. a dream. but i'm troubled by the power of prosecutors. michael cohen. the first thing that comes to your mind. what is he? he's a fixer. i don't know what a fixer is. nobody has on his business card a fixer. i've known doctors and dentists but i don't think i have ever known a fixer. what lawyer has taped his own client? a judge found probable cause to authorize searches of michael

cohen's residence. his hotel. his office. they found a treasure trove of information which led to his plea in the southern district of new york to tax evasion, to false statements, to a bank, which involved lying then had lawyer goes on cnn and offers his testimony to the special counsel. is that a way to try on to sell your cooperation? then after that what's his plea? his plea. what is it of all things? it's to lying. if that's the best they can do there is something wrong i think with the power of prosecutors. shades of truth. >> laura: as a defense attorney it's way out of control. they've got no real supervision. they can blow their budget and get more money. byron york, i want to go to you, michael isikoff, yahoo news said defense lawyers have been told in recent weeks they're tying up loose ends in their investigation providing the clearest clues yet that the

long-running probe into russia's interference in the campaign may be coming to its climax in the next few weeks right before christmas. >> that has been a question recently. when we heard about mueller talking to this whole jerome corsi stuff and roger stone stuff and wrapping up michael cohen, what's going on? was he either opening up new inquiries in which we would have this investigation through 2020 or something? or was he really trying to tie things up in a bow and finish it up? a lot of the complaints we're hearing from the president and giuliani about mueller could be coming at a time when mueller is winding down. >> laura: matt schlaap, they're floating the idea that trump talking about his constitutional right to pardon could be tantamount to witness tampering. just for fun on a monday night let's watch. >> in the middle of an

investigation president trump praises roger stone for not testifying against him. is that witness tampering? >> that is what some lawyers cite -- laws against witness tampering. >> he is on the edge of witness tampering. federal law makes it a crime to do anything to try to postpone or delay someone's temperature. >> can i try to explain something here? which is everybody involved in this investigation -- if you're mike flynn, if you're paul manafort, any of the names you just mentioned, they all know there is a chance of a presidential pardon and they all know the president has already used his pardon powers, i wouldn't say aggressively but robustly. they all know this is at play. why is michael cohen doing what he's doing? he's a low-down dirty dog. they have everything they could possibly want. >> laura: he was looking at life in prison. now it's down to about 60 months. could be wiped out all together. >> it's corrupt business.

that's what they got him on. >> laura: taxi shield. >> when flynn pleaded to lying people said i guess they're not going to use them as witnesses because they've just pleaded to lying. this has just happened to michael cohen. mueller is not planning to -- >> laura: they're not nothing but they're process crimes. >> as witnesses in a future prosecution. >> laura: we don't know what mueller has. i keep saying this as an attorney. you don't know what the mueller team has. andrew weissmann is not at the mueller headquarters with the faux pillars out front playing patty cake. i'm not saying it's the big kahuna here but there is something else going on because otherwise the week -- this editorial today they said the following, the special counsel has taken his attention away from diplomacy and other ordinary business of the presidency, mueller has failed

to deliver the goods not because there are no goods to deliver because delivering them is not the point. the point is to hurt trump. they haven't gotten close to conclusion. even old jake tapper said that last week. >> nobody is pointing out that there is the presumption of innocence which goes to everybody including the president. i'm at a loss for everybody saying my god, mueller must have something and the world is going to cave in. >> laura: there is some trix up their -- >> laura: there are some tricks up their sleeve. i don't think this is going to be a tepid report that said they could have used better judgment, byron york where it's the appearance of impropriety. >> can i put out something quickly? the problem with a special counsel is they're on a mission. if they do a thorough investigation they have not failed if their conclusion is the president did not break the law.

they are just as successful in their mission if they come to that conclusion. >> laura: bingo, bingo. >> it's going to be a one-sided report because that's what he's doing. he's a prosecutor. he's not going to give a defense brief for the president so he's going to give it to congress -- it's going to get to congress and the new democratic majority will figure whether -- >> can i say something fast? this is a political exercise, impeachment, special counsels, it's all about politics, show me the ads the democrats ran on collusion. it's not a real thing. this whole investigation as far as the american people are concerned as far as their daily lives has no impact and they're tired of it. >> laura: later on we'll tell you what does have impact what's going on in the trade world and china. also a shocking proposal, great segment, guys, from a united nations official. could the mere criticism of mass migration end up now becoming a criminal offense? this is not xjsz. we're going to play the tape.

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>> laura: frightening proposals emerging from a u.n. panel over the weekendment not only does the so-called united nations global compact for safe, orderly and regular migration want to make immigration a universal human right, they want to make it a crime for media outlets to allow for certain types of criticism against migration. watch. >> criticism of migration will become a criminal offense, and media outlets -- and that also concerns you -- tagive room to criticism of migration can be shut down. >> laura: here now is someone who knows more about this than the average joe, i would say, this diminished e.u. today is

nigel farage, of the prexit movement that raised immigration destroying the fiber of the u.k., thanks for staying up late for us. we appreciate it. is there a chance that with this global compact on migration that this actually could come to pass that this type of criticism of migration could be criminalized? >> you were quite right to say that what the u.n. wants to do is make immigration a human right, what it also wants to do is make illegal immigration legal by defining a refugee as anybody that wants to move between countries. so basically what it wants to do is to make us all global citizens and governments are going to this next week. many will sign up to it without ever consulting their own people, but you are quite right. the most worrying part is the section on the media where it

says very clearly that media outlets who are intolerant, critical, xenophobic or racist in their criticism of mass migration -- as soon as you start to define people like that you're getting into territory where people can be defined as committing hate crimes. they want to make it -- they actually want to make it illegal to criticize open-door immigration. is it actually going to work? thankfully, the u.n. itself doesn't have legal power, but -- >> laura: nigel, doesn't it also operate as kind of a framework for international human rights cases? it ends up being a framework that, under a different supreme court in this country could be referenced? there are a lot of justices who believe that referencing foreign law is ok which, of course, it's not the way it's done in our country -- sadly, it's been done

in the past -- so that's the problem. it becomes another international norm and climate change is one thing. i'm not talking about climate change, but in this case it's a norm, so if you -- we do a lot of stuff on migration. you and i have talked about the illegal immigration issue for years so talking about the fact that we have so many illegal immigrants on social welfare in the united states, a survey today, about 61% on some type of social program. that would be considered, perhaps, hateful. >> yeah. here i am in london. as we speak, there are a thousand police officers in london who just investigate hate crime and the definitions of what hate crime get broader and broader. this is an attempt by the u.n. to make any criticism of mass migration something that should be considered criminal, and effectively what they're saying is they will favor media outlets

that promote their ideas materially. they're even talking about funding media outlets that support their view. i'm being serious. believe me, i have seen this myself in brussels because the european union -- that is the sort of prototype for the globalists, and the european commission actually give money to media organizations that promote their views, and increasingly demonize those that take a different point of view, and you are right, the international criminal court. areas like that can start to make judgments in these areas that will, you're quite right, be referenced by national courts. >> laura: they marginalize voices. you see this happen on social media, on twitter, facebook, youtube channels, they're making judgment calls on who and who is not part of the acceptable club, nigel, the grand damme of

migration, angela merkel from a week and a half ago or so. let's watch. [speaking in foreign language] >> laura: you're on satellite. unless your german really good it's basically this is a right. we have to stand up for the right of refugees. i believe in standing up for refugees but it doesn't mean that every country's border has to remain open if a global entity like the u.n. says, "ok, you've got to do it" whether it's to the 7,000 people in tijuana or any other group. >> let's remember what a refugee is. 1951 definition of what a refugee is and it's a person in fear of their life or their liberty as a result of their race, their religion, their views, their orientation. that does not mean that millions

of people that have crossed the mediterranean over the last couple of years encouraged by angela merkel were refugees. they weren't. they were economic migrants coming from all over the world using the opportunity of the huge stupidity made by angela merkel, i genuinely believe that christians living in iraq and countries like that who have literally got nowhere to go, they qualify as genuine refugees, but you cannot open the door to mass millions, and suddenly pretend that's ok, and this is exactly what the u.n. are trying to do next week. they're trying to bail out angela merkel and the other politicians who have made these huge mistakes and i would have thought what mrs. merkel ought to do rather than defending her judgment is to apologize to millions of german people for fundamentally changing the nature of a culture of the towns and cities in which people live without ever asking the people.

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american workers' technology and industry from unfair and abusive actions. >> laura: that event, president trump was attended by my next guest, cambria c.e.o. marty davis. his company was the target of a chinese effort that would have destroyed potentially his company until he and the white house with its own policies and focus fought back. marty is going to join us in a moment. but first, trace gallagher is live in our west coast newsroom with the back story on this battle. trace. >> laura, as the u.s.'s largest producer of quartz countertops and floor tiles cambria makes it their business to keep an eye on foreign competition. in 2010 the company said china exported $5 million of quartz into the u.s. last year the number jumped to more than $450 million and for the first nine months of this year the total bounced up again to $526 million but the quartz

wasn't just being imported. it was being illegally dumped in the u.s. -- meaning china was subsidizing it so it could be sold in this country well below cost. the goal of course is to undercut the competition is control the market. cambria estimates that last year alone china displaced $1.2 billion of u.s. quartz and adding insult to injury china was also slapping a 40% tariff on quartz being imported to their country. last april, cambria petitioned the u.s. commerce department and the international trade commission to intervene. "fair trade and free-trade are inseparable paradigms. you simply cannot have one without the other. we believe strongly in free-trade. to protect it we must demand fair trade." subsequent investigations have found that china was dumping underpriced quartz into the united states so in september the commerce department increased tariffs on select

chinese quartz to five times the previous number, and bumped up the tariffs once again in november. clearly the companies rewill selling the cut-rate chinese quartz were hoping to keep the goods flowing. now it appears they too will have to make a few adjustments. laura. >> laura: trace, thanks so much. marty davis, c.e.o. of cambria is here. marty, this is a wild story. you started this company when? >> 2001, laura. >> laura: 2001 and you saw a market and you live in minnesota. your family has done business in minnesota and you want to employ minnesota employees. what happens years later with china's involvement? >> we saw an opportunity. we founded the company. myself and jim ward, our finance manager were the original employees. today we have nearly 2,000. we went through a lot of struggles to build the business as you would imagine. by 2010 or 2011 after the meltdown of 2008 we got back on

our feet and the company was starting to flourish as was the industry, and we developed a lot of technology, invested heavily in innovations, did a lot of work around productivity and the business started to skyrocket, and about that time, 2013, 2014, the chinese producers from china started to dump product into the united states. >> laura: what does that mean, dump product? for people who are watching. >> they're subsidized by their government. the people's republic of china is not a friendly participant in a free-enterprise economy in america. they subsidize their companies. they run their banks. they're state-owned. and they're going after american manufacturing. >> laura: are you afraid of competition? that's what the free-traders would say. marty, are you afraid of competing? can't you beat xhiena? what's the problem? >> you have to have fair trade to have free-trade and a level

playing field. the president understands that and his team. we like competition. competition helped us develop our technologies. we have tremendous competition in the industry from other domestic producers and it's been good for the industry and the business. it's not competition. this argument by some of the politicians about free-trade -- they don't understand what free-trade is. they should get out in the market and run a manufacturing facility and have your manufacturing worker have to compete with the chinese government instead of a chinese manufacturing worker. there is no competition there. >> laura: tell me about the average employee you have. >> the business fails. >> laura: the people in your firm. tell me about them. what are they like? >> the people that helped us build the company starts from all different kinds. graduate students and undergrads and hard working, unskilled labor that come out of high school and go to work in a manufacturing facility. they work hard. they're innovative. they're productive. they're focused and diligent in their work. and they'll compete with anybody in the world but you cannot

compete with a rogue party dictatorship like china who has targeted this amazing economy in america as their target to -- i say heist our manufacturing platforms and move them to china. >> laura: tell me about the president's approach. and i want to play a sound bite for you first. from abbey phillips, a cnn reporter, and made this point about the president's use of tariffs, marty. let's watch. >> the president decided to use tariffs can is a pretty archaic tool to get china to the table and maybe they have gotten them to the table but they have not been making a lot of progress. >> laura: archaic tools? >> yeah, first of all a lot of our politicians, many of them republicans don't understand the use of the word tariff or what it really means. tariff is a trade-enforcement tool in many snanlss and most. that's what the president and his excellent team, lighthizer,

wilbur ross and others are extraordinary leaders in this part of our economy, they understand that it's a trade-enforcement tool to ensure that trade law that is violated is dealt with, and these conditions -- they're violating existing u.s. trade law. we didn't go and ask for new law, we asked the united states government, trade and commerce, to -- we petitioned them to go after china and investigate whether they are violating u.s. trade law. >> laura: they found that indeed they were. they went from $5 million worth of quartz material, that raw material to make the kind of -- >> $5 million imported in 2010, to roughly $570 million in 2017. >> laura: 800 million. that's the projection for this year. 800 million. that's not dumping -- if you don't see those figures and you don't think that's dumping a cheap product -- >> a couple of key points. if you look at what they

displaced in our market price it's over $1 billion which is 1/60th of the deficit. in addition to that the chinese product in some cases, this is amazing to anybody that's manufactured in the marketplace -- their prices were below our raw-material costs. >> laura: that is the classic dumping case. if you dump it under cost then there is no competition. >> that's right. >> laura: the people who you employ. the mothers. the fathers. high school graduates. people who graduated from college. engineers and so forth. what do these jobs mean for them? >> they're a great part of the company. they are the company. i would tell you that their dedication to our business is why it exists. we should have invested another $150 million in property and equipment we should have added 350 more employees to our company. we shut that down because of dumping. that's a fact. >> laura: you were able to fight china. a lot of companies can't. marty davis, thank you for doing

that and having an open mind politically. this is not politics. >> this is a policy issue not a political issue and i don't understand why it's not a policy issue for the entire country. >> laura: really appreciate it. coming up next the last bite on an unexpected champion straight ahead.

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important that is for me. so i don't think transferring was everything. i am blessed to be here. >> laura: jalen hurts comes from behind for alabama, winning the sec championship. congratulations and all of the players in alabama. that's all the time we have tonight. "fox news @ night" and shannon bream take it from here tonight. can't wait to watch. >> shannon: thank you so much. we begin with a fox news alert. president trump paying his respects to former president george h.w. bush, visiting his hands casket at the capitol hill rotunda. there are crowds tonight. as a national morning begins, a call settles over capitol hill. the fight over the border wall funding cools off for a few weeks but the special counsel ramping up with plenty of drama.