next. good evening, everybody. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." the migrant caravan, the one they told you didn't exist, israel, and tonight it's languishing in tijuana. amazingly, the local population, people who live in tijuana, are not at all happy about that. it turns out nobody except liberals liked illegal immigration. it's a disaster. here's what tijuana looks like tonight for example. in just a minute wes will talk o a member of tijuana's local government was very frustrated. he says it's past time for the caravan to go back to honduras. plus, paris is burning, there are riots in thes street. you may have seen something

about that on the news, but most news outlets are lying and they won't tell you why, what this is. it turns out it's a backlash against the climate change agenda, which crushes the middle class of every country, including france. first tonight, the mueller pro continues to hurt people who clearly have no connection at all to russian spying vladimir putin. jerome corsi for example, who will join us in just a minute says that the prosecutors and trapped him in perjury and threatened him with prison all in an effort to make themim compliant. he says he has rejected a plea deal and will be fighting back. plenty of others on television are confident that this, the jerome corsi connection, is finally the big breakthrough, not at all like the ten or 20 other breakthroughs that went nowhere. >> the question now is has he crossed the line legal limit? it looks like he has more and more. >> the basic lay of the land is

that you have a special counsel with an extremely strong hand, of which we are seeing a small piece. >> tucker: a special counsel with an extremely strong hand. crushing jerome corsi. jerome corsi has not backed dow down. instead today he filed a criminal complaint against robert mueller, he alleges gross misconduct by the press wrote special prosecutor's office. he joins us tonight to explain. thank you so much for coming on. >> my pleasure. >> tucker: when last we spoke, my understanding was from avi previous conversation that you have made a mistake, you say you forgot the date of an email that you forwarded and that you want and told the special prosecutor's office you made that mistake and they allowed you to amend your testimony. they allowed it. but then at a later time when you didn't say what they wanted you to say they came back and threatened to prosecute you for lying in the first iteration of your testimony, is that correct? >> in my 2016 emails, i hadn't

reloaded them the first day of testimony. i had forgotten about two email emails. when i finally loaded the time machine, i realized these emails were there, the special prosecutor allowed me to amend the testimony about ten days later and in the one count they wanted to plead guilty to, they want to charge me with knowingly and willfully giving false information on the original day's mistake, not taking into account that they had allowed me, the special prosecutor, to amend the testimony, which i thought was completelyd fraudulent. >> tucker: it is certainly odd. most lawyers would spoken to have never heard of something lylike that. what was the point? why were they pressing you on that? why do you think they were threatening you with perjury? >> from day one. if they blow up, they said they had enough to throw me in prison, i forgot these emails and i'm convinced it was all strategy. i went in to cooperate. i gave my computers, my time machine, handed over voluntarily myr emails, my twitter account,

et cetera. everything they wanted and now the first day -- it's a memory test and if i don't get the memory test right suddenly i will be thrown in prison for the rest of my life. it's an intimidation tactic and i'm quite convinced it's intentional. >> tucker: intimidating you to get you to to do what? what did they want you to do that you refused to do? >> the key thing is they wanted me to be a key link between me, roger stone to me, juliana assa. it then it would be robert stone to steveen bannon, donald trump and coordination with assange. i figured out on my own, the 25th wedding anniversary trip to italy, on that flight i calculated and figured out assange had john podesta's email. i never met assange, never talk to him or emailed him. i have no contact with anybody who was in touch with him on the

prosecutors refused to believe this so it led to grilling after grilling after grilling. constantly -- an 8-inch thick book with myoo name on it. in one of the prosecutors won't tell me if that's all about me or tell me what he's got in there asking questions and pulling files out and saying this email contradicted. i don't member that email. i don't remember in detail any of my emails. 60,000 emails in my computer in 2016. >> tucker: and that's kind of a point, they had your email. if you had contact with juliana's launch, they would already know it. this is obviously a grotesque charade. i don't know the standing of your criminal complaint, but in principle obviously i'm rooting for you. thank you very much. >> my pleasure, thank you.la >> tucker: alan dershowitz is a retired law school professor, the author of the case against impeaching from and he joins us tonight. thanks a lot for coming on. >> thank you.

>> tucker: ss from a legal perspective, if you would, jerome corsi's claim that he was allowed to amend his testimony to correct a mistake that he set the result of him just forgetting being 72 and forgetting the details, and then being threatened with prosecution for lying using the first unamended transcript of the testimony. does that pass the legal smell test? >> i don't think so. there is no law prohibiting somebody from being indicted for lying on the basis ofof the firt life but in 55 years of practicing criminal law i have never heard or read of any case where a person was allowed to amend his testimony and then corrected it, and was then threatened with indictment for the unamended original alleged lie. that just seems utterly unprecedented if those facts are correct. >> tucker: soed what would be the point of doing that?

was actually goingha on here do you think? >> we know what's going on because judge ellis told us what's going on. that is -- he was the judge in the manafort case. the modus operandi of the special counsel is to get as many people as possible to commit perjury or to lie, and then squeeze them and use pressure on them to have them testify against the major target of the investigation and what judge ellis said,et appropriate, is the risk of that is not only will people sing, they will compose. they will tell the story even better because they know better the story the better the deal. but having said that, i don't think that we are going to hear a criminal complaint being taken seriously by the justice department against the special prosecutor. that's never happened in history as far as i know.

but raising this as a defense, both as a legal defense and a factual defense i think has some real credibility. so if the facts are as they say -- as he says they are, i think he would have a very defensible case and a pretty good chance of winning and probably would be wise not necessarily to capitulate to the threats of the prosecution. there may be more there, i don't know and i'm not giving himm legal advice but based on what you asked, that seems like a very weak case. >> tucker: right.th and that is his account of it. but if that's true, and adding that to everything else we know, is it possible that the prosecution, the special prosecutor has lost sight of the point of this entire exercise, which is to protect the country from a hostile foreign power? >> right. and i would put a little differently. the special counsel was supposed to have found crimes that already occurred before he became special counsel. that was his mandate. find crimes relating to russia.

as far as we know he hasn't found very many of those. whatat he's done is to help cree crimes. that is, he's giving people an opportunity to live. it's their fault that they lie,e but these are all crimes that have occurred after he became special prosecutor, and that wasn'tft his mandate and the otr crimes, most of the once he found it for our financial crimes like with manafort, utterly unrelated to his mandate. the one exception to that may b that's a very questionable case because you are allowed to make contributions to your own campaign, particularly if the purpose is to save you from embarrassment with family and friends and help your business brand. that's going to be a very, very tough case to bring. we know that from the edwards case. >> tucker: how common is this among prosecutors? this kind of behavior, roping, trying to suborned someone into

perjury? >> it's tom tomei, and when you're dealing with the mafia, common when you're dealing with terrorists, but good prosecutors don't try to manufacture crimes and good prosecutors don't necessarily use the threat of prosecution to create evidence that is used to target somebody who may not have committed any crime at all. prosecutors do a lot of things, but good prosecutors, i think, don't do what allegedly is being done here and i think that once the report comes out once the president has an opportunity through his legal team to respond to the report, maybe we will see both sides of the issue, which up to now we haven't really seen. >> tucker: mafia and terrorist, jerome corsi not in either category. thank you very much, great to see you. >> thank you. >> tucker: the president spoke briefly at the g20 summit in argentina this weekend but a

planned one-on-one meeting with the russian president vladimir putin was canceled. the administration blamed the cancellation on russia's recent behavior toward ukraine. but itor also came shortly after michael cohen's plea deal with the mueller investigation. then in the end of the president did have an informal meeting with vladimir putin anyway. professor emeritus at nyu, contributing to the mission and joins us to sort this out. ifs the author of a fantastic w book which you should read, war with russia. from cuba and ukraine to trump and russia. thanks very much for coming on. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: so sort this out, if you would. the president had a planned meeting with. vladimir putin and it was downgraded to an informal conversation. why the change, what are the implications of it? >> first time sincee president eisenhower, a president of the united states, donald trump is not free to keep

us from war with russia. that is one of the themes of my new book, war with russia, that you mention. remember what happened.ed trump was supposed to meet with putin in argentina. it was that important? it was very important. we are embroiled in crises that are fraught with hot water, not just cold war from syria to ukraine. in this episode in the russian ukrainian waters occurs. it seems clear it was a provocation to disrupt the meeting between trump and putin, and it was successful. trump felt, because of these russia allegations, clearly, that you just discussed with professor dershowitz, that trump feels not free to deal with putin in terms of national security. think back to john kennedy during the cuban missile crisis in 1962. that wasn the model of what we

should never do again. but the lesson also was that president kennedy was free to negotiate with the kremlin leader, to avoid nuclear war. that is not the case today and that's why i think the danger of war with russia, at least since the cuban missile crisis, is greater in my lifetime in history than it's ever been because of these russia allegations for which i have yet to see any authentic evidence. we saw that last week. trump either felt he coulden no, or he lacked the resolve to go ahead and meet with putin even though this meeting is desperately needed. there's a new crisis every month with russia. >> tucker: let me ask the most basic question, who --- clearly there are forces pushing for war with russia in effect in oure country. who are they and why are they doing that? >> i'm not prepared to say that they actually want actual war with russia because in my mind that means the possibility of

nuclear war. a few decades ago you and i would be having an oh, my god,, conversation. how can we even think about the possibility of nuclear war? somehow that's gone, lost in the russia allegations that trump has donetr it all under the influence of the kremlin. there's no evidence for it, so in my mind, whatever promotes this russia gate allegations, and it's primarily democrats, not only, but primarily the democratic party, endangering our national security. that's not a popular thing for a person such as myself, who used to live on the liberal reservation to say and people denounced me for saying it. but it's the real truth based on my 50 years of studying american-russian relationships. we are in a very dangerous situation and this has to stop and has to stop very soon. >> tucker: professor steve cohen. coming from you, anyone who's followed russia for the last severall decades knows the weigt that those words carry.

i appreciate your saying that, i appreciate your new book and hope you will come back. thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: we have a fox news alert for you. the president expected within the hour to pay his respects to former president george h.w. bush, lying in state tonight inside the u.s. capitol rotunda. we will be monitoring the capital for the president alive and we will bring it to you live in about 15 minutes, right here on fox. local residents of tijuana getting fed up with hosting the migrant caravan. this is a new that tells the story of what it's actually like. members of the local government are angry. one joins us after the break. ♪ -looks great, honey. -right?

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emergency shelter for them. when i first got her there were like 360 migrants coming here and they walked all the way to the border, where the border meets the turf because they were going to try g and cross through the sea, the beach or jump the fence. if we stop them there, we do bring them over here because the neighbors from that part of town, tijuana by the sea, they were getting mad and even started throwing stones at each other. so we have more here, 360. things got out of hand because they kept growing and growing. this is not a municipal issue. we are carrying the financial load of keeping these people with medicine, food, shelter, blankets and whatever and it's costing us -- >> tucker: i'm sorry to interrupt, but behind you it seems that somebody is cleaning up garbage? is there a lot of trash there?

>> there's a lot of trash -- what i was trying to tell you, 360 grew to 6200. that's what we got on our hands. so we've got another. it's a big concert hall where you can have like 10,000 people under a roof. we send them over here but it has to be voluntary because the people from human rights, they have their delegates here too and they want to treat them too kindly. so the ones who didn't want to go are staying here. so there's like 1500 people here. there's 2200 people there and like 2,000 people that are unaccounted for. >> tucker: unaccounted for, what do you think -- basically you have illegal aliens from honduras in tijuana, how do you feel about that? >> yeah. i've heard thebo border patrol have been going up like 100, 100 more a day than they are used

to. an accident on freeway eight, i think there were three hundreds dead. there were like eight people in a pickup truck bed. so some of them have made it across. not a lot, but some of them. but most of them -- some are staying here. the ones that are there on the streets, they said because they already started their paperwork, they want to stay in mexico. they know that somebody popped the bubble of their american dream. and they are staying here. 200-relocated voluntarily. and we have deported more than 200. 236 detained by police and we send those to the immigration system. >> tucker: so you're dealing with several thousand unwanted immigrants in tijuana. the united states right now has about 22 million illegal aliens living within our borders.

can you understand, now that you're seeing this firsthand, the frustration of some americans about that? >> yeah. people from tijuana are frustrated. if these people came f here legally, if they want to our border and they started work visa, student visa or tourist visa there would be no problem. a lot of them do that and i try to work up to the border and they try to do their paperwork also under authority to go legally into the united states. a lot of them have families there. a lot of them have families in canada. i talked with people from then canadian embassy, unite families, mexicans or hondurans were working there. and they have visas for that, but these guys didn't cross legally tobu mexico, they tore down our border and jumped and they started this caravan. right now it's like 8200.

it's not a big number compared to what happens in united states but in a place like this. >> tucker: it's not, but i'm sympathetic. so finally, how are you going to respond if this happens again? this will not likely be the last caravan that comes through tijuana. >> we have a change of president. at this president has a very different mind-set from the last president. this president says welcome, we are going to give you jobs, create opportunities for you and things like that and we are worried. in tijuana we are worried. because they are saying that but they are not helping. we are getting any help right now and we are waiting for that to happen in the next days. the other shelter, the other shelter, they have to take care of it. >> tucker: we feel for you, mr. lopez, and i hope you will come back on and tell us how it's going. thank you very much. >> we hope it gets better before

it gets worse. >> tucker: i hope so, thanks. thisis is a fox news alert. president george w. bush, the 41st president of the united states is lying ines stae tonight at the u.s. capitol building. the president has just arrived to payay his respects to his predecessor. ed henry is at the capital for us tonight. add. >> tucker, good to see you. the motorcade arrived with president trump and first lady melania trump just in the last two ororas 3 minutes. they went inside on the senate side of the capital. we expect nowey that they will e meeting with some members of the bush family, t friends, others o are here and he will get a chance, the president, along with the first lady, to go visit the casket. you see it right there. it's in the rotunda of the capital. this is the third u.s. presideni since 2004, former president, who has been lying in state in the capitol rotunda.

ronald reagan in 2004, gerald ford 82006, early 2007. to give you an idea of the history of this, there is a wooden platform that the casket sits on and that is the same wooden platform that was used at president abraham lincoln's funeral in 1865. they keep that in storage here. they know the sense of history, how where k this is to have a former president lying in state. it comes after some remarkable moments in that rotunda. you saw democrats like nancy pelosi embracing george w. bush. of course the president in one of the president's sons, who also served -- president bush will be lying in state here until wednesday at 7:00 a.m. then that is of course a nationalti day of mourning as declared by president trump. and shortly after, the public viewing, the chance for the public to gogo by that casket, they will be able to go to washington national cathedral

for the memorial memorial serve president trump will also atten attend. >> tucker: ed henry, thanks, will get back to you in just a minute. we want to bring in dana perino. she knew the former president well and worked for his son, the 43rd president. joins us tonight. thanks a lot for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: you know the bush family well. we spent the last several days talking about george h.w. bush and his legacy. one sort of facet that i don't think it's got enough attention but was a window into the man he was was is great and lifelong love of dogs,, spaniels. >> spaniels, that's true. the president and melania trump, arrived there at the capital to have this moment.rs one thing that's interesting about that is my husband peter, who you know, he's british but became an american citizen in 2006 and he's been watching today and he said america sure does this thing kind of thing y

well. president george h.w. bush. he left them from a young boy. one of the ones a lot of people will remember is millie. there she is. and millie actually had puppies there at the white house in one of those puppies was named spot. spot was given to george w. bush and laura bush as a present. a little bit of history for everyone, spot is the only dog to ever live in the white house twice. that is spot there. i think that's spot. i think part of the reason that theyk had pets, as barbara bush said, pets make a house a home in one of the things when you're trying s to help a president fel like they have some normalcy after the end of a workday, even though they only have a 32nd commute, pets really help them do that. >> tucker: dogs are helpless without people, which is one of

the great appeals about dogs, but also the reason that dogs tell us so much about the people who have them, i would say. watching, there was a picture today of former president's dog sitting at the casket. moving, may be most moving picture. >> a service dog, came to george w. bush in about july when he was in maine. he could do things like turn on or off the lights. he could go alert somebody if 41 needed a help. he could open or close the door. one of the things i remember it when i saw 41 in june, his eyes really lit up when we talked about solely because he was going to come and become a part of the family. he's a really lively dog. there you see him standing watch over the person that he was meant to help. george w. bush. this is a picture that kind of hebroke everyone's heart and if not because we don't understand

the families going through things. it's one of the things, american are caring creatures. we care about those that we have dominion a over, such as animals like sally. but the good news is here, celie is going to continue his service. he will be going to walter reed medical center where he will continue to help those who need a service dog and he might even help train some other dogs. >> tucker: politicians all used to have dogs. it was almost required. now it's much more unusual and i've always thought that when you have a dog it's not all about you. it's about the dog. george h.w. bush was one of those guys you really felt like he was interested in the dog. not everything was aboutel him. it came through in his letter. >> the great thing -- you have a busy and hectic job, a stressful schedule but the dog doesn't care that you've got to speak to the prime minister of canada earlier in the day and had lunch and then later on you made a big decision about war and peace. the dog just wants to hang out and throw the ball and here we

see the president and melania trump heading into the capitol rotunda. >> tucker: we are going to listen for a second. [inaudible]

[inaudible] >> tucker: back to dana perino now. we are watching a president in the first leave the room. heid is there not simply because he is president but because it was the wishes, some of the final wishes of the 41st president that he be there, which struck a lot of people as unusual considering there has been this well-publicized tension between the families, tell us about that. >> i don't think if that unusual if you knew 41. this ison the most gracious, decent person. but also because, again, as my husband has said, america does this kind of thing very well. peaceful transfers of power from

one president to the next. if you think about the letter that 41 wrote to bill clinton that he left on his desk in the oval office and bill clinton share that with everyone this weekend, basically he's saying you are our president, i'm rooting for you and i will be here if you need me, but i'm going to step out and let you do your job because it wasn't for him about the person. it is also about the office of the presidency and how important that is toe our country, the global world order and all of the things we've been able to achieve in our country since our founding fathers gave us this great gift and this is a real passing from one generation to the next. really the greatest generation. they are nearly all gone and i think president trump and melania trump, going there tonight, they are not only just respecting 41, but there also respecting and upholding the office of the presidency and i think we should all keep that in mind over the next few days.

>> tucker: i agree with that. to write a letter like that afterr the campaign of '92, whih never got the credit they deserve for being really nasty. it was savage. ind the bushes i think as a family were reallys hurt by it. to write a letter like that right after thatat kind of campaign really says a lot. >> 43 said he once asked his father where did you find the strength to be gracious and to be so kind to somebody who had just beaten you like that? and 41 said something very important. he said i had no choice. part of that is how he decided to live his life in one of the things i emailed to you this morning is this idea of personal responsibility. of how you choose to live your life. how you choosehe to parent in tt unconditional love was so important to his family but i have to say with george h.w. bush, he had unconditional love for this country as well. and i think that is reflected. corsi lost, but it was not easy

to win a third term. it's only happened twice since world war ii. it's very hard to have won a fourth one for any party but he leaves and has a wonderful post presidency. and thankfully gave him enough time to see that his legacy was assured, especially on the foreign policy front. >> tucker: i think that's right and it's reflected in the coverage, which to some extent has been, i would say, farms. >> i have a couple i could mention but i will try to be gracious. >> tucker: i agree, there are always wackos butut i think in general people have been kind to a kind man. thank you very much. >> you're right, goodbye. >> tucker: thomas, actually a good guy. thank you very much. we are going to be right back. we will take you out on pictures of the 41st president lying in state on the capitol rotunda. ♪ ultimate feast event!

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♪ >> tucker: ever feel like you're the last to know about something? bill and hillary clinton might make you feel better about that. they are literally the only two people in the world who don't yet realize they're not as popularr as they once were. the former president and first lady just launched a national speaking tour, because $250 million is not enough. and yet sales have been lackluster, to put it l charita charitably. maureen dowd described thousands of arena seats being covered up in toronto due to poor sales. ticket prices began in the hundreds of dollars, felt to single digits by the end because nobody wanted to buy them. is america finally mercifully

getting over the clintons? author and columnist mark steyn joins us tonight. to assess. before we assess what's obvious, which is, their time is over, the deeper question is why don't they know that and what is speaking to her about? >> i would have thought that if you didn't know before, looking out -- maureen dowd overestimated the number of seats. it a was actually 83.4% empty, e arena in toronto. 83.4% empty. i believe actually the last time i guess toasted for you it was 83.4% empty. >> tucker: i saw the numbers, that's not true. >> when you're president -- you

should always listen very carefully when the public is telling you goodbye. and that's what the 16.6% seating capacity was telling the clintons. >> tucker: but i wonder what -- it's not surprising either, and i have to say in their defense, they played this out a lot longer than i ever thought that possibly could. it's been over 25 years now. i never found them very impressive but they've managed to get incredibly rich, hundreds of millions of dollars rich and stay famous all this time, so they've had a long run considering where they started. but why did they feel the need to do this? that's what baffles me. >> it makes an interesting contrast with what's going on in the rotunda right now because you can say what you like about the first president bush, but his post presidency it was a model of the dignified post-political life, which is why -- which is one reason he's

getting the send-off he is getting. by contrast, i think it's a tina brown line where she said something like -- about bill clinton, he has a heatseeking glamour that lives inli a permanent hyper present tense and dares you to join him there. and i think that in her own way she actually understood that they are on a perfect perpetuar wheel in the last few years they were raking in big bucks from a niche market. layabout saudi princes and oligarchske and all these other sleazy figures who were willing to give them millions of dollars because they thought they were going to be back in the white house. now they can't get -- in toronto they couldn't get people to give them ten bucks. that's what ticket prices -- that's $10 canadian, which thanks to justin trudeau which is about a buck 79 american right now.

the difference between what a saudi prince is prepared to pay and what an average ordinary member of the public in toronto is prepared to pay tells you what has happened to the clintons in the real world. >> tucker: very quickly, i'm just speculating here but since you know everything i'm going to run this by you because maybe you know the answer, those eight or nine guys who dismembered khashoggi, how many were donors to the clinton foundation, dude off know off the top of your head? >> the clever thing about them is warring factions in the house were all big donors to the clinton foundation. i'm not saying -- you know, i'm not saying they are different princes but they were all trying to buy off the clinton foundation in the good old days. prices slashed to clear on clinton foundation speechessh n. >> tucker: i've noticed. mark steyn. always so refreshing to see you,

thank you. >> thanks a lot, tucker. >> tucker: a lot of people in france spent the weekend burning capital. most of the press in this country isn't interested in why it happened, and those who know aren't telling. they said they are lying. we will tell you why these riots are actually happening and it's fascinating and it says a lot about our country too. stay tuned.

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♪ >> tucker: paris is on fire, the city is seeing some of its worst riots in half a century. what exactly is going one here? if you turn on the a televisiono other news outlets you will see people telling you this is about gas taxes or economic hardship, or rising oil prices.

>> they were fueled by an increase in gasoline tax, but have grown into a fierce fight against declining living standards. >> the yellow vests had warned that this would be part three of a protest againstt the hike in the field techs. >> fury on the streets of paris is the economic -- turned its wealthiest neighborhoods into a war zone. >> tucker: oh, they're lying. most of them have no idea, because they are not interested in anything that's not happening inhe brooklyn, but some of these people talking to him television know what's actuallyly going on you hey're just not telling you. it's not about rising oil prices, that's false. it's about climate change. it's about the climate agenda. the french gas tax isn't designed to raise money. the president has implemented it for the stated purpose of fighting climatete change. now they're fighting their own

citizens instead because the climate agenda always crushes the middle class. always and everywhere. understands this, vice president for national initiatives and exodus public policy foundation and he joins us tonight. x very much for coming on. >> my pleasure. >> tucker: what's so interesting about this, and it's gotten virtually no coverage despite being paris, a city most people havey heard of, is that this is a coalition of left and right against the elites, or am i misstating that? >> i think you're onto something here, tucker and it's important to realize that these individuals, the yellow vests protesting in france are really frustrated because they see their government helping poor immigrants from general in north africa some from thegr middle east and certainly being on the side of the wealthy elites, but they are being squeezed in the middle. and what we're looking at here is about $0.30 a gallon gas increase. a little less than 10% on what's already about $3.50 in taxes on

gasoline. >> tucker: defects unfamiliar at all to you? is there political party on our continent that is tied to, say, finance and people on welfare and nobody in between and is seeking to raise carbon taxes to fight global warming? i've heard of that. >> absolutely. it's important to realize that in paris you're looking at about $7.06 a gallon for fuel, almost half of that is taxes. if we follow what the u.n. reported, what they want to do is have a $49 a gallon gas tax in 12 years and we need that, they say, to fight global warming, to fight climate change. that would be a 14 fold increase on the taxes in france. in america, where the average is $0.49 per gallon of taxes, you go to $49, that's 100 times increase in fuel taxes. it would wreak havoc on the

middle class and it would utterly alter the u.s. economy. >> tucker: here's what i'm confused by -- i understand that those. people who are sincerely concerned about climate change. i get it, i'm not denying its existence come up with the solutions baffle me. why tax gas, which only hurts the middle class, why not tax, i don't know, soulcycle? or expensive dinners? or how about close the carried interest loophole, or how about a finance tax or how about banning private airplanes? but that's never up for debate, ever, why? >> again, i think this is about control. this is about who gets to decide where we live and how we get to work. the lives that we live. what's really disturbing to me is we just had the national climate assessment published by the federal government and a key partme of that report that was touted by "the new york times" and cnn said that our economy would be 10% smaller by the year

2100 and thousands of people would die because of climate change. what was not reported as the people behind the study were michael bloomberg and tom steyer, the two left-wing billionaires that want to be our next president. theyt were the ones that were along with the federal governmente that financed the study that had noud new science but used very questionable economic modeling to say that things are going to be really bad in 80ll years. >> tucker: i'm wondering -- both of them are for a gas tax but instead of a gas tax why don't they turn their billions over to the federal treasury to fight climate change? wealth transfer from the middle class to people who are already rich. >> that wouldn't change our behavior, so you have to do things that change behavior and can do that isu by taxing gas a lot. >> tucker: taxing the middle class, which they hate. thank you very much, great to see you. the plan to bring home the bacon

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8:00 p.m. the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. i hope you've had a great hour. by the way, it continues with sean hannity live in new york city right now. >> sean:gh flying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. i got it. >> tucker: you got it, man! >> sean: welcome to the busy breaking news "hannity" tonight. we start with a fox news alert bright moments ago, president trump visiting the capitol rotunda to honor former president herbert walker bush, who will lay in state until wednesday.y. tonight, we'll remember the life and legacy of the 41st president of the united states, george herbert walker bush. he was a man devoted to his family, his country and making this world a better, freer, and safer place. a lifetime of incredible service. and we will also have tonight my full interview with 41 from 2004 and we will also show you the very worst media coverage surrounding the president's