posted, he's been a social media sensation and for being a marine and also for taking care of that flag on his watch, he is our midnight hero. that's it for tonight, most-watched, most trusted, most grateful you spent your evening with us. if stick around now for tucker carlson. tu >> tucker: welcome to tucker carlson tonight, for more than a year now the media story on immigration has been as mindless and predictable as a jim acosta script. the talking points never change, it doesn't matter what the story is. b it could be the caravan or family separation, sanctuary cities, or even ms-13. the details are irrelevant. immigration is always good whether it's legal or not because immigrants are always good. it doesn't matter where they are from or what how much english they speaker home they live

their lives, immigrants are alwe heart of america, they are much moree impressive than actual americans, most of whom are fat and racist. that's jim acosta's position or it was. you may havee noticed the other channels suddenly seemed less eagerbo to talk about immigrati, they are deemphasizing the issue, why is that? the problem may be the caravan which actually exists and is in tijuana, mexico, right now. this should be good news for mexico if you believe what they're telling us on tv, if there's one thing we know about penniless central american immigrants it's that they tend to found a huge number of wildly successful tech start-ups, they are at the heart of your economy.en the citizens of tijuana don't appear to have gotten this message because they don't seem grateful for the caravan. instead they look highly annoyed their city has been invaded by strangers as the city's mayor noted when people enter your country illegally, many of them

aree criminals. >> these people came, they're coming in violently, and respectfully, not as a good law-abiding citizen and that's what hurts us. it's not all of them but yes a lot of them are not really nice people who want to work, who want to integrate into our e economy. they're just troublemakers. >> tucker: a lot of them are not really nice people, they are troublemakers. imagine m un-american mayor sayg something like that on television. it got more intense from there. last night a team on a city councilman told us the government had to intervene recently to keep mexican citizens and the caravan members from throwing rocks at each watch. >> we had to bring them over here because from that part of town, they were getting mad. they started throwing stones at each other.

we got them over here, things got out of hand because it kept growing and growing. >> tucker: throwing rocks at immigrants, that doesn't happen in this country. it does happen in mexico, people who live in tijuana are not american so they haven't been told that expressing their honest views about immigration will get you fired. they have no problem saying what they really think and what they really think turns out to be very much what donald trump thinks, amazingly. >> should this caravan had been stopped at the guatemala go border? >> of course, i agree with that 100% it should have. >> they are bad people. >> they don't belong here, they are just migrants, in the same case it's like when mexican migrants going to the u.s., they aree undocumented. >> you know if incidence here in tijuana, some of these people who are coming in with these caravans are committing crimes.

this is not about racism, we don't dress like certain groupgr of people because they are from one country or another, we are here because our government has not taken control of this -- what we call invasion. >> tucker: if you are cnn or msnbc or, what do you do with an interview like that? it doesn't make senserg accordig to the rules you've established. you can't argue that mexicans are anti-hispanic racists, that's what you call everyone else was opposed to immigration. what do you do? you pretend none of this is happening, it's not real and that's what they are doing. that won't work forever, people tend to notice obvious things, they can't help it. if they keep noticing obvious things, their views change and that's why the consensus onen immigration is changing fast. evenec hillary clinton and john kerry recently warned that mass immigration can destabilize countries as it has done in europe.

it's happening here too. a new analysis of census data shows that 63% of noncitizens in this country receive some kind of welfare benefits, that's not what they told you but those are the numbers from thehe census. even among legal immigrants, the best kind the one who become naturalized citizens, fully hathor on government assistance. that's well above the native average. leaving aside the moral consideration, does it work as a math question? it would work in a country with infinite resources -- iss ameria aun country of infinite resourc? look around, every night hundreds of thousands of our citizens, americans sleep outdoors on the street, they are homeless. the country's middle class is shrinking and dying younger for the third year in a row. these are american citizens. some of them probably think they shouldro have first dibs on help from the government but they aren't getting it. looking forward, here is a question no one is considering. will the mass immigration we are

now watching make this country richer or poorer? the majority of our immigrants only have a high school education or less. many of them know very little english, some not at all. that was a difficult problem to solve 100 years ago during our first major a wave of immigratin but consider what it means now at a time when automation is killing entire sectors of our economy. how are immigrants with low level of education and english supposed to succeed in an increasingly high-tech skills-based economy? how about our own vulnerable workers? do they benefit from the presence of these immigrants? these are real critical questions that washingtonn shoud be thinking about deeply and answering but washington isn't thinking about them and washington can't answer them. instead, they are trying to ban the conversation from taking place, we are going to try anyway to have it. luisoi miranda is a former dncou communications director and he

joins us tonight. >> i appreciate the opportunity to have an honest conversation about this, particularly as were remembering george h.w. bush who taught us we can disagree on these respectfully. i went to the capitol yesterday after leaving the studio and i took my kids and that's one thing wee talked about. there's going to be different perspectives but we can talk about them respectfully and i think what you laid out here brings up some legitimate issue issues. >> tucker: that's what i like about what's happening in tijuana, i feel deeply for the people of tijuana because i think they're going through what a lot of americans are going through but because it is tijuana we can't dismiss them as anti-hispanic. we have to look more clearly at what their concerns are. my question to you is a simple one, looking at the concerns we played on tape and those are real, does it make you a little moreel empathetic toward oure fellow americans who have similar feelings? >> we have to be empathetic all

around which includes people who have legitimate concerns but a lot of those concerns are being stoped without a basis of reality. a lot of these immigrants who are part of this caravan are decent people who are fleeing violence or economic situations that are untenable. theyed are victims all around, being victimized by human traffickers and smugglers who want to taket advantage of them, there is an ap analysis that just came out of that 4,000 of these people have disappeared in the last few years on the way -- their families have no idea what happened to them. they either got murdered or worse along the way, there's a legitimate humanitarian crisis. >> tucker: i totally agree, i want to shine a light on the victims who don't get representation ofon any kind in the press and those of the citizens who are having to absorb large populations of largely decent people, i think most migrants want what i wantet which is a better life for their

families. it's important to empathize deeply with citizens whose lives are being upended by the arrival of these immigrants. when you see this, can you say american citizens to say i don't want any more we've had more than we can handle. if they aren't just racist, they have a point, do they not? >> i don't think they are racist, i think it's important they understand the other side of this. immigrants have made our economy stronger. let me add some color, our population is aging. we have baby boomers retiring and a lot of the people that we are able to replace in the economy are because of immigration. we want to do that in a legal and orderly fashion. >> tucker: i need to ask this question. you say our population is aging, we aren't reproducing ourselves. why do you think that is?

nobodysk sees to pause and ask y can't young americans afford to get married and have children, afford to buy homes and cars and the elites solution is we will bring in new people. whatho about the young people, e 30-year-old american who can't afford to have kids, does anybody care about that person? i never hear that person addressed ever. >> it's an industrialized country. >> tucker: hold on. i'm an american, my concern is for my fellow americans and they can't afford to have children but rather than fix their problems or even think about them we are like we will just import new children. doesn't that seem like an backward way to approach this? >>s our stocks have outperformed the rest of the world by a lot, american companies in the economy have been so strong in the last ten years compared to anything else in the world and part of i the reason is that we have an economy that is constantly renewing itself. we absolutely should be able to have an economy where people who

want to have children can do so. >> tucker: that's not what you're s saying. you just said we need to bring in people because americans aren't reproducing insufficient numbers. my question is why aren't our leaders thinking about how our people can afford to have children? they don't even consider that a subject with studying much less trying to fix. they are not enough kids. >> does not mutually exclusive things. >> tucker: you're saying our low birth rates are justification for immigrates, i'm saying our low birth rates aree a tragedy that say somethig about our economy. >> it's a combination of our growth and prosperity that enables us to have a strongera economy. there is definitely both sides of this where you can look at who are going to be hurt. when you look at states like georgia and others who have implemented anti-immigrant measures will force a lot of these immigrants out, what you saw was food rotting on the

vines, a lot of lost crops because there weren't enough people there to work them. thee reality is we can do enough in the economy for people who are suffering and for americans who live there our whole lives. >> tucker: maybe someone should care about them a little bit. >> absolutely. it doesn't mean we have to demonize the immigrants. >> tucker:r: i'm not demonizing anybody, i'm not against -- it's shut up, you're dying, we're going to replace you. i hope you come back, i enjoyed the conversation. the mueller investigation appears to be approaching some kind of n climax, that the specl prosecutor plans to drop new information on michael flynn and other key targets of the probe. brit hume will be here to explain whatl that means for the administration and the rest ofes us.

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thanks for coming on tonight.o michael flynn. let me ask the overview question first and explain the michael flynn portion to me. does anything you have seen touch directly on contact with collusion with russia? >> nothing that i've seen has, tucker. i must say, i have reached the point that we've seen so many of those moments when something gets subpoenaed or somebody pleads guilty to some process crime like, you know, lying to the fbi or whatever. people extrapolate from that that mueller is on the verge of the big one that is going to tell the tale of president trump's malfeasance. it's never happened. the investigation drags on. i was sort of of the view thatt trump, that everybody was misreading all of this. that what was happening here is mueller was carrying t out his original mandate. his original mandate was primarily to take over a counter intelligence investigation that was about what the russians did. that's what comey was doing at c

the fbi. when he got fired. that's whatin mueller was namedo take over. it was at-- if you look back at the statement that was made by rod rosenstein in naming mueller, it says he's to taket over the investigation that comey had announced was going on in his congressional testimony when we became aware that this fbi inquiry was underway. that was a counter intelligence investigation.nt he adds that he was authorized as well to look into the question of whether there washe collaboration between the trump campaign and moscow. well, fine. so we knew that was going on. it has never been the case as far as i could tell looking at the documents that the principle focus was this collusion question. so mueller has proceeded, ends up indicting russians that will

never see trial. but the russians is a big part of what he was up to, which made sense to me. this latest stuff, i don't know what to make of it.st i would unwind it if i could. every twist and turn is being hyped as theit prelude to the bg break-through, the big bomb shell that has never come. >> tucker: i ask you about michael flynn. b his name has been out of the headlines over a year. am i misremembering it or dids michael flynn plead to lying? basically to a crime that arose in the course of the his life was and destroyed, he had to sell his house. he's still unemployed. did he do something else i forgot about? >> nothing that i know of. michael flynn was supposed to have not told the truth to some fbi agents interviewing him.ae that's what he was charged with possibly in the hope by charging him with that and being prepared to sentence him, he

would then, you know, spill the beans on what was really going on between trump and russia. it seems to have turned out that he didn't have any beans to spill. and not only that, tucker, it's very hard to see where any of this is going.tu when you see people being investigated and prosecuted for crimes that didn't happen until after the investigation got started, you begin to stop and say, wait a minute. what are we doing here? this is what?-- you remember karl rove was pursued remorselessly by special prosecutor patrick fitzgerald about the famous valerie plain cia leak. turns out that that leak?-- the source of the leak was known from the start and pursued him anyway. this is the problem with special counsels. they become almost another

branch of government. they're theoretically accountable to main justice. as a practical matter, they don't seem to be. they go on and on and on.y meantime, they have all of this process that they can use subpoenas and grand jury testimony and the threats of perjury investigations and all of that to pressure people with now we're hearing that roger stone may be prepared to?-- won't stick up for trump. won't testify against trump. so-- >> tucker: we're getting in the weeds. >> yeah. this report needs to be finished. we want to know what they got and we want to find out what the russians did. i'd love to know. it would tell us if it made any difference in the election or not. >> tucker: i think we know. apparently there's a sentencing report. t catherine herridge is standing by for it. if we get it in this hour, we'll bring it to you.or thanks, brit hume. >> you bet. >> tucker: obviously no one i like talking to more than y brit hume.

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>> tucker: democrats took back the house in the november elections. a lot of reasons may have given them a share of >> tucker: democrats took back the house in the november elections. a lot of reasons may have givenl them a share of power. maybe they trusted them on healthcare, the economy. polls are not clear. democrats want to make a priority of legislation overts investigations. is that true? betsy woodruff says much of the party is interested in a chance to take part in a trump impeachment. watch this. >> democrats are lining up to get on house judiciary because they expect it to be the place where the action is in part, of course, because now we'll be in a position to provide over any impeachment proceedings. >> chris hahn is a progressive radio host. he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. i don't understand all the lying and embarrassment. nancy pelosi went through this in 2006 when democrats wanted to impeach cheney and bush. she's trying to keep her troops from talking about impeachment.

the overwhelming majority of democratic voters are forr impeaching trump. i get it. they've been told he's a war criminal. so why should democrats g impea? >>in there's people in the party that would like the to see an investigation of the president. the majority is one in suburban swing districts that want people to work on things like healthcare, changing the tax reform so it benefits the middle class and other issues that they campaigned on. most of the campaign was not about impeachment. i don't think we're at a pointt where impeachment is a real thing. impeachment has to be bipartisan for removal in the senate. nancy pelosi knows that. she will be the speaker of the house. i do not think barring some major revelation in the mueller report, i don't think you'll see impeachment on the agenda for

the next congress. >> tucker: that's probably right. democrats are terrified of anyone that steps out of line is crushed. marsha fudge got destroyed by nancy pelosi when she talked about running against her. people are afraid of nancy pelosi. i get it. it doesn't make much sense.uc i spent two years comparing this guy to hitler.hi saying that he colluded with a foreign power, he's treasonous. many people have said that. if he's all thee things you've told us he is, why don't you have a moral obligation to impeach him this afternoon?ou i'm serious. >> well, look, like i said, unless there's something that both sides agree is criminal, ready for removal, i don't seere nancy pelosi allowing that to go forward in the house. we know what happened?-- >> tucker: why should rank and file?-- you're right. i get it. i agree with you as a political matter. you're absolutely right. pelosi is very smart politically and knows it will hurt democrats

if she tries to impeach. i'm also serious about this. let's take your rhetoric seriously.t' how can you live in a country with the president who is like hitler who colludes with vladimir putin to destroy our democracy? >> here's myut answer. my answer to that is we're not going to be able to remove him through impeachment. the only way to remove donald trump is to beat him at thein election box. so what i have said and others have said, democrats should investigate clear problems in his administration so it makes it harder for him to get re-elected in 2020. if you try to impeach him without the republicans to remove him, it's a waste of time, it's a waste of political capitol and will lead to the democrats losing majority and donald trump being elected in 2020. >> tucker: is there a time?--

>> he will have a hard time getting re-elected. >> tucker: is there a time when democrats say look, we disagree with trump on some things, not that many times, to be totally honest, not that many things bus some things. we don't like his style and she shouldn't tweet. the time we said he was a traitor to his country or likeke hitler, we shouldn't have said that. that made us look stupid andok wrong to talk that way. is anybody going to say that? >> if they'll say that. seems like the apology and taking things back is gone from american politics. what i do hope, we'll see people come together on things they can find common ground on and pass bills on things that will work. i'm really encouraged by-- >> tucker: everyone is so moderate. i love it. >> i'm encouraged by that. i want to see real infrastructure. >> tucker: okay. i hope you're right. >> nobody is ever going to say they're sorry anymore.

it's a lost art form in politics. i wouldn't hold my breath. >> tucker: they should. >> i agree. >> tucker: thank you. some democrats want to focus on impeachment. incoming republicans are checking on big tech ought to be a big priority for all of us. josh holly is a senator elect representing missouri. one of the first issues is the president's renegotiation of nafta. a minor changing to the treaty could protect tech companies that decide to censor any content they dislike. something that they're obviously anxious to do. senator elect holly joins us. thanks very much for coming on tonight. congratulations, by the way, on winning that seat. >> thank you.ng >> most of our viewers are not aware of this. but this clause, tell us the implications of it. >> there's changes in the naftas agreement to what is called section 230 of the communicate cases decency act. what that is, tucker, it's as

deal that the tech companies get from the government that says that they can't be sued like any other publisher. they can't be sued like a newspaper or sued like a tv station. supposedly what they're supposed exercise editorial content. my worry is these companies are censoring. they're censoring conservatives and our view point. my question is, should they really be getting this special immunity from the government if they're going to act like censors? i think we need to take a hard look at that. >> tucker: you know, it's not clear why they haven't. if i'm libel, i can be sued. fox news can be sued. apple cannot be sued, facebook, google, the rest. why should the u.s. government favor those companies in a way that they don't favor my company, for example?

>> that's a very good question. let's be honest, the tech companies, facebook, google, they have gotten huge and powerful and rich on the backs immunity thatl they get from the federal government. on the back of sectionwi 230. it's time we asked hard question. they're monopolies now, they're powerful and appear to be using their power to shut down political view points that they don't agree with, usually conservative. and i think we need to ask, do they deserve these special deals that allowed them to get so big and rich. >> tucker: and you're not even in the united states senate yet and you're saying things that are truer and clearer and more forceful than any of the 100 members sitting there now. i don't want to wreck any friendships you might form once you get there. can you speculate as to why this is happening the last decade and nobody has said anything about it? >> well, i don't know how much attention this has gotten from folks.ll people don't realize, for instance, the tech companies have gotten sweetheart deals from the federal government. i don't think they realize they get treated unlike anybody else.

they're different from tv stations, different from publishers and getting this special deal. again, it's time to ask, do thea deserve to get this special deal if they're going to act like censors. we need to ask those hard questions. >> tucker: how many phone calls you think you'll get from lobbyists after you get off the air tonight? >> it's never been my ambitionn to make friends with people that congress ought to be investigating, frankly and who they ought to be holding accountable. we have a responsibility to the public to hold the big and the powerful accountable, especially if they misuse their monopoly power. my worry is these companies are doing this. congress ought to investigate and consider action. >> tucker: senator elect, josh hawley. thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: this probably won't surprise you if you thought about it for more than ten seconds.

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relief and remission within reach. >> tucker: we've got a fox news alert for you. the mueller investigation just filed brand new documents about former national security adviser michael flynn and his cooperation with the investigation. a sentencing guideline. catherine herridge has those documents, reading them right now and assessing them. we're going to her as soon as she has determined what they say. that will talk about a minute.mi we'll be back. in the meantime, cnn president jeff zooker has spent years remaking his channel from a central liberal news outlet for a platform extreme views and prosecuting vendettas. and now it's time to aim higher than that. on david axelrod's podcast, zooker said he's interested in running for office. how does senator zooker sound?dc

whatever he decides to run for, his ambitions explain cnn's coverage decisions in the past couple years. now if only they would update their name a little bit to czn. it tells you a lot. outgoing senator claire mccaskill that her party's attempt to destroy brett kavanaugh backfired. ms. mccaskill says that probably ruined her re-election campaign. interesting we just spoke to josh howley who beat her in that campaign in missouri, i find it fascinating that she would say that out loud. seems sort of honest for a politician to say something like that.on >> yeah. look, she's free now though. she's not going back. that allows you to some reflection about what's going n on.

the same time, this did not happen in a vacuum.m. this is not a one-off experience. she should know. in her political work, she's helped facilitate this notion of due process should end and due process is not a good idea, particularly on college campuses, which people have e watch this unfold. if you're accused as a young man on a campus, you're suspended, not questioning the accuser and then you lose perhaps your tuition, scholarships, et cetera. we've seen this move through society in little pockets. maybe not everyone noticed.. we saw it happening on campus. it was inevitable this would happen in the halls of the senate where they make law. and i think she's realizing maybe too late, obviously, that what she helped facilitate before has now come back in a very serious dynamic and has harmed her and her party.

>> tucker: yeah, a female senator loses her seat in the name of female empowerment. interesting. do you see this taking three steps back, do you see this fervor the intensity accelerating in the next couple years or calming down and the rest of us regaining our senses like claire mccaskill? >> this is not unusual for the democrats. we can expect them to not know when to stop. they will want to accelerate. they will make the mistake of trying to do that. and especially since they took the house, they're goingat to think that all of this activity helped them. it didn't. this is up to the i republicans and to fair-minded americans to remind their lovedo ones and their families that-m this is not what we do. that due process matters, that ideas matter. this is -- the republicans have to deliver. the president is going to have to really steps up to make sure that, you know, this conversation is a fair one and is led appropriately. we know bad things do happen to

women. we want them to get justice obviously. i've spent most of my adult life working that. but men are partners in this. that due process and fairness is imperative for all of us. women will be the first to lose as i've argued through this entire dynamic and that men are already losing very badly. >> tucker: so you t said that fm day one. literally the -- when the harvey weinstein story broke and we were all horrified, you said in that segment, i won't forget it, this could whip around and hurt women as well as innocent men. we're getting another story suggesting that may be true. the #metoo movement hurting women's employment prospects. it'sos on wall street accordingo bloomberg. men are afraid to hire them. >> that's right. >> tucker: it's a sad story. does it surprise you? >> it doesn't. yet it's a reflection of the i fact that this was always about

dividing men from women, that men are our allies on this issue. that the majority of men don't do what harvey weinstein was doing. >> tucker: exactly. lost that where we dynamic. so all men are afraid. whereas in fact, they should be our -- the individuals that help us the most with their brothers and with the men that they work with and their fraternities. they are our defenders as well. this was never really about women for the left. it was about dividing men from women. >> tucker: exactly. >> and those of us that care about the issue, we have to make sure that men are brought with us and women get the justice they deserve but only get it when men are not demonized as the bad guy. >> tucker: you been a consistent voice on that from day one. we appreciate it. thank you. >> thanks. >> tucker: we're going to back to the fox news alert. the mueller team has just filed papers about michael flynn and

his cooperation with the investigation. catherine herridge has seen the documents and joins us to describe what they contain. catherine? >> i was still going through the documents right now. among the headlines that the special counsel says former national security adviser michael flynn provided substantial cooperation with special counselit investigators. they are recommending the low end of spectrum, no jail time, possibly probation in this case. the key document here i have is what is called the addendum, if you can come back to me because it has very important details. it outlines that michael flynn participated in 19 interviews. parts are redacted because of ongoing criminal investigations. i want to show you the depth and the breadth of the redactions. here on page 2, it says redacted criminal investigation, the defendant has provided

substantial assistance in aig criminal investigation and then you can see the rest of that is redacted. i'm still pouring through the records. but what you can see here as i said is the bottom line of the special counsel, the former national security adviser mike flynn has provided substantial cooperation. he's sat for two dozen interviewed with the special counsel and provided communications and other recordw for ongoing criminal mattersde which have been redacted in the publicly-released documents this evening citing a need to protect the ongoing investigation so we have a recommendation on sentencing for mike flynn, bute also very strong evidence that the criminal investigation by the specialha counsel is ongoing at this time. >> tucker: so just to be clear, the sentencing that you're referring to would be for the crime to which he pled guilty, which was lying in the course of the investigation. so it was a perjury charge.

he might have faced prison time for that.wa >> yes, which is a violation of usc 1001, up to five years in this particular case given he has no prior offenses, the high degree of cooperation wasee expected that it would be between zero and six months. special counsel is recommendingu no jail time here becaused on his cooperation. the other big headline based on the documents is that this addendum that outlines how mike flynn has cooperated is heavily redacted here and they've done that because they want to keep that information secret, they don't want it public because it would tip their hand, if you will, to the ongoing criminal matters that involved other individuals. tucker? >> tucker: and there's no suggestion -- i know you just got the documents.

it's not immediately obvious what he is cooperating about -- oh sorry to to put you on the spot. >> you're not and i want to givd you the best answer i can without speculating. it's too important. what it speaks to is that he's providing cooperation, documents and testimony about allegations of collusion with the russians and members of the trump campaign. i'm still going through the documents. i don't see anything more specific than that at this time that would dove tail elements of the recommendation. they don't want to tip their hand to individuals that have not faced any criminal prosecution at this time. >> tucker: there better be a huge crime underlying this. >> there's a lot of stufff redacted. >> tucker: we're really going through a lot. so if this winds up just being a bunch of stupid perjury charges, someone should be punished for it. catherine, thank you. >> you're welcome.

>> tucker: if you stumble upon anything we need to know about, we'll go back to you before we get off the air at 9:00. catherine herridge, thanks verye much. vegans are not just coming after your hamburgers, although they are, they want to go after how you speak. bringing home the bacon is out. so are other phrases. an actual vegan joins us to tell us what we can't say. that's next.

♪ >> tucker: want to bring you back about fox news alert, catherine herridge's continued to go through the documents that we just received, the flynn sentencing report. michael flynn, former national security advisor's sentencing report. of creative lead to a felony for lying to fbi agents. apparently, the mueller investigation is recommended no jail time and said that he has

cooperated extensively with the investigation, and their investigation of we don't know because it's redacted. catherine is going through it, as we said, and if we find anything that adds to the story, or is interesting, she will come back on our air instantly. we'll be glad to have her. trump derangement syndrome is all-consuming on the left. we know that, but you may not know how powerful it is. how powerful? many kennett even honored the death of public figures without comparing them to the president they hate most, the current one. joy behar got in a spat with meghan mccain after her best tribute to tribute to george w. bush is that, at least he wasn't trumped. >> this president that we have now is trying to unravel everything that he did and obama did. if i ever become a 1-issue border, it will be about pollution, and thess greenhouse aeffect. >> can we focus on the president please? i don't want to talk about trum trump. honoring a great

president. >> excuse me. i want to talk about -- >> i'm not interested in your one issue border. >> this is not talking! >> we'll be right back. >> later... christmas controversy. >> tucker: imagine! opening up your head and letting someone you dislike in? and letting them take up permanent residence there? he would never sleep r again! a wise man once saidd that when you hate somebody, you are the real victim of it. that is on display now. boy. recently on this show, we told you how the future begin dictatorship we are all awaiting could ban phrases they find offensive like "bringing home the bacon." it turns out that vegans have been thinking about this for a long time. peta, which is kind of wacky, but we don't hate them, has a long list of new idioms that wants people to use. for example, instead of "kill two birds with one stone," peter

says you should use the phrase "feed two birds with one stone. [laughs] ashley byrne works there, the campaign executive, and she joins us tonight. thank you lord for coming on. >> thanks so much for having me come as before. >> sean: i know a lot of the viewers want to agree, you are pro dog, you are demented but kind kind of funny. i can't resist.t.i [laughs] >> we love that you don't hate us. i thank you. [laughter] >> tucker: and for anyone who love dogs.et some parts of peta really arei crazy, and for the record, i'm against them. some of the stuff does make me laugh. so you don't like the phrase "to beat a dead horse," right? the horses died, so it doesn't really matter, right? what would you replace that he with? >> we suggested "feed of that ft horse." >> tucker: so overfeed a horse? make a horseback? like you would a goose for pate?

okay. "feed a fat horse." okay. >> not as nonsensical as beating a dead horse. >> tucker: that's a very good point. fair enough. "bring home the bacon." i kind of like that. what you say, what? >> bring home the bagels. and as a new yorker, i like tha that. and as a vegan. >> tucker: i know, but there is something a little emasculating. "bring home the bacon" has a kind of figure is feel to it. bring on the bagels, do you think that is as powerful? >> i don't know where you are getting your. absolutely. [laughter] >> tucker: fair. >> i think when you think about where bacon comes from, it's really not that light.nd the pork industry is pretty ugly. absolutely. bringbr home the bacon. >> tucker: i didn't think about it this morning when i ate it. "take the bull by the horns -- >> that's why we want to have thisl conversation.

>> tucker: good point. >> instead of taking the ball by the horns, let's take the road by the thorn. again, y it sounds funny, but i think anyone who has ever seen a bullfight, it's grisly, it's awful. >> tucker: i agree. >> it's pretty ugly. >> tucker: i agree. i'm with you on the bullfighting, it's kind of -- is not really a fair fight. "put your eggs in one basket," that seems harmless. >> put your berries in one basket because, unlike eggs, berries don't come from chickens who live crammed into into little cages where they can't turn around, and on one another. again, the egg industry, when you peek behind the scenes, you find cruelty, abuse, and --gu >> tucker: i know. >> byy not? >> tucker: if you are in a meeting, and someone said, i'm worried we are putting all your berries are honorable, whatever would everyone turn in silent horror at that person and say,

you know what, you are a tool, you can't work here? right? >> i don't think so. i think language evolves with our values. again, we having fun with this, and i think it's cheeky, it's fun. i think people like these. >> tucker: i will leave you on the last one. more than one way to skin a cat. by the way, i hate changing language, that is one phrase i'm open to changing. what would you replace it with? >> i think most of us don't like that. we would say more than one way to peel a potato. >> tucker: yeah. i sort of admire the spirit of some of those, and by the way, i'm not worried that there is ever going to be a vegan dictatorship, does not sound plausible. but you will need to do better than "peel a potato." [laughs] >> that's the great thing. we don't want to force anyone, but we do think that -- >> tucker: i know. you are not about forcing it. that is what i like about you. ashley byrne, thank you. >> so good to be on, thank you,

tucker. >> tucker: thank you. that's it for us. we back tomorrow, 8:00 p.m., the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. we want to remind you, we have those documents from the mueller investigation, catherine herridge is going through them now. "hannity" is up next, and four seconds. and we'll have more on that. sean hannity. >> sean: so timely, it's amazing. >> tucker: i got a clock. >> sean: i'm mad tonight, and i'll explain. great show up as always, thank you. welcome to "hannity." just breaking, big news out of the mueller witch-hunt. the special counsel just released its report on lieutenant general michael flynn, you know the guy who served his country 33 years, five years in combat? now mueller is recommending, after all of this time, no prison time for general flynn. but the damage has i been done. flynn is "a convicted felon, a victimless process crime based on evidence that