♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." the mueller investigation appears to be moving in directions nobody could have anticipated.ni none of them obviously connected to russian meddling in the past presidential election. what is the point of all of this? and when and where does it end, if ever? ken starr and joe digenova join us. buffers tonight, freedom of speech. a lot of people who voted for donald trump hope they

what have more of it but two years and it's a lesson. ruling class clamped down as never before on personal expression. gone are the exchange of free ideas as promised as americans supposed to be our birth right, remember? in its place now mandatory soul deadening conformity. an entire population forced to repeat the same mindless platitudes, or else. an axis of left wing corporate power, academia, the media, and lawmakers have all aligned to curb your right to speak freely, which is your right to think for yourself. when they control your words, they control your mind. the left used to deny that was their goal. a they are not pretending anymore. they at snarling. get in line or we will hurt you.rl ceo tim cook pledged that apple, one the biggest and most powerful companies in the history of the world will do whatever it takes to silence dissenting opinion.ld >> hate tries to make its headquarters in the digital world. at apple, we believe that

technology needs to have a clear point of view on this echallenge. there is no time to get tied up in knots. that's why we only have one message for those who seek to push hate, division, and violence. you have no place on our platforms. [applause] [cheers and applause] >> hate, real thing a lot of it out there right now. hate is also the words they use for views they don't like or questions they can't answer. cook's real message is simple. we are holy, you are fallen, shut up and obey.. r ceos didn't talk like this. they were in the business of selling products, not preaching sermons. then over conventional religion receded and tim cook and others stepped up to fill that void.

apple has a lot more power than the episcopal church ever had and much less humility and much less restraint. leaders 100 years ago could tolerate dissent. they thought god would sort it out in the end. they didn't have to. members of modern ruling class considerem themselves god. they render their own judgment... they view disagreement as equivalent to apostasy, an attack on the one true faith. in new york, to name but one example, among many, a newin bill in the state legislature would ban anyone who says something politicians don't like from buying a firearm. respective gun owners would be required to give up passwords and to show their social media accounts to regulators who would inspect them for unapproved thoughts. sound like something the chinese military thought up? yes, it does. but democrats are not apologizing for it.ew, listen to one the sponsors of the bill explain. >> if we make this law and you have to, you know, allow, you know, state government to, in fact, look at your social media posts, you can decide on whether p

you want a pistol license or not. you don't have to have a pistol license. >> tucker: that's true, you don't. you don't have to vote either or go to church of your choice or be tried by a jury of your peers. what other constitutional rights will be contingent on saying the right things? to find out we have invited kevin parker on the show tonight from brooklyn you just saw on that tape. senator parker, thanks for coming on tonight. >> thanks for having me on, tucker.aw >> tucker: i should say at the outset which i'm sure viewers already know it's already against federal law to sell firearms to the mentally ill, thank heaven and i think all of us support that restriction. so it's already against the law. but, what other constitutional rights that we as americans possess should be contingent on how we behave on social media? >> well, let's be clear, i take an oath that supports the amendments and the whole constitution both the u.s. and the state government constitution. >> tucker: right.he >> this is really not about infringing on

constitutional rights. this is really about safety. this is really about how do we, in fact, make the state of new york as safe as possible?e. now, we have already been very safe. one of the top three safest states in the entire country, particularly when you look at mass shootings, thank god. but, we can always be safer and we can always make sure that what happens inn pittsburgh, what we saw int parkland, what we saw in orlando doesn't happen here. and so this law simply says let's look at, you know, what people are putting out on social media as part of a set of criteria that we're using to determine who gets hand guns. >> tucker: hold on and by the way, i agree with yourre desire to make your state and every state as safe as we possibly can. but why restrict it to gun owners? you are an elected official. you are a state senator. you wield a lot of power. you control people's lives. why shouldn't i have the password to your social media account to assess whether you should be wielding the power you

do? >> maybe someone should put that law in and maybe we can do that. >> tucker: no. it's a fair question. would you send me your password? >> tucker, my social media is open right now.ot you can go on it and look at it, anybody can look at it. it's public information. >> tucker: i don't know. hold on, why don't you send me your passwords and find out how open it really is you are requiring gun owners to give you their passwords. why shouldn't they turn around and ask you for the same? that's a sincere question. >> look, what we should be talking about is how do we make the state of new york safe? i'm simplyysa s saying right now we're not as safe as we can be because people are saying things on social media and we're not using that ande, looking at that as we, inut fact, give out a weapon that can be used to kill people. >> tucker: i get what you are saying.e i guess i'm just wondering j why we are restricting -- i mean as long as -- you said privacy is not a concern. if you have concerns about privacy don't carry a gun. don't buy a gun. okay. but you are saying that that's the only category to which this applies. why don't we apply it to

voting? before you vote and choose who runs the state, who controls your life, why shouldn't you have your social media checked? l i'm not sure i understand. >> because voting doesn'tm necessarily lead to people killing each other. this is really about access to guns.er no, this is about access to guno and we know there is a direct correlation with the number of guns that are available in states and the prevalence of mass shootings. >> tucker: we don't know. i'm sorry, just that's actually -- that's not true. i think wyoming has the highest per capita gun ownership in the country. i don't think there are any mass shootings. >> with the five people who live in wyoming and the guns they have. >> tucker: there is not a correlation between those two things. r:>> absolutely. there is absolutely. tucker, there absolutely is. when we look at places like japan, and look at places like australia, they have l much lower gun violence and mass shootings. >> tucker: the question

here -- t >> because they limit the number of guns that people have. >> tucker: you are not calling for limiting the number of guns in this bill. you are calling for people to turn over social media passwords so you can decide whether they have said things that are naughty and if they have, they don't get to own a gun. and so my question is what other constitutional rights are dependent on your approval? is the right to abortion? should we, before allowing women to have abortions, check their social media accounts? this is a sincere question? if not? why not? >> tucker, i'm really focusing on the issue of gun violence. there is too much gun violence in our communities. too much gun violence across the country. >> tucker: i agree i'm against gun violence. >> we need to get it down. >> tucker: hold on.y who is going to make this did. >> the new york state police. >> tucker: but they will just decide -- typically before we determine someone is mentally ill we adjudicate that person mentally ill. >> this is not about mental illness. >> tucker: what is it about? tta >> in addition to the other criteria that the new york

state police will use and they already use to determine who should be eligible to get a gun permit, in addition to that what i'm saying is we should also have the state police review the social media accounts of the people who are making the requests. >> tucker: and take passwords. what would cause state police, independent of a judge, get to decide whether you can have a gun or not based on whether or not they like what you said on facebook? n >> the state legislature has the ability, with the signature of the governor,he to, in fact, make law. and so we make it the law. we then can, in fact, subscribe -- turn over power to the state police and they make a determination which they do all the time by the way. >> tucker: the police get to unilaterally decide whether we can exercise our constitutional right? you are comfortable giving police that power. >> the state legislature is deciding it. >> tucker: no state legislature is handing over to them the power to decide. >> exactly. >> tucker: oh, no, exactly, right? >> but they already have

that power right now, at this very moment the state police decides who gets a gun and who doesn't get a gun. >> tucker: do you think it's a little intrusive that the government would be forcing citizens to turn over their social media passwords to the police before doing something the constitution guarantees them the right to? that doesn't bother you in any way? doesn't seem a little bit totalitarian or something maybe china would do? >> tucker, we make legislation through a process. all the things that you have objected to, there are lots of people who object to it.. there are conversations going on. >> tucker: i can't let you skirt the third question. do you think it's a little bit -- >> -- no, i'm not, what i'm saying to you. >> tucker: i'm aware had how our government works.se >> there is an opportunity for us to work together to, in fact, look at this. maybe the password -- >> tucker: these are your bills and your proposals. something that you came up with. >> absolutely. >> tucker: i'm just asking you as you sat at your laptop and typed out you will be required to hand over your passwords to the state police and if they don't like what you say you don't get to exercise your right.nd

don't you think that sounds a little orwellian to me. ndreally? you are going to do that? >> you are focusing on a part that quite not really the whole bill, right in the big thing is. >> tucker: other than that, mrs. lincoln, how was the play? it's not the whole bill. >> it's not the whole bill but it's part of it. >> tucker: it's part of it and you don't see that as fascist in any way? should the state police have to sign off on your marriage do you think or how many kids you could have? s because obviously some people shouldn't be getting emarried. >> right. again, what we're concerned about is the safety of the people in the state of new york. and we're concerned that people are getting shot down. t it's important. >> tucker: i'm not going to move you from your talking point. i'm not going to get to you think critically about this, obviously. >> no, what i'm doing is talking about the values. and i get that some people. >> tucker: what you are doing is scaring me. >> having a gun is more important than protecting the lives of strangers. i >> tucker: do you think people

have a right to say outrageous things, may be things you disagree with, iny public? >> they certainly can sayy whatever they wants to say. but we also have the right to deny them a gun permit if we believe the things that they are saying mayay lead to themm endangering the people of the state of new york. >> tucker: maybe or maybe not. >> frankly, the supreme court has already said that.ra >> tucker: say something naughty -- >> -- for instance, we limit speech all the time like pornography, particularly child pornography, right? >> tucker: child pornography has not been ruled to bell speech, i would refer to you brandon vs. ohio in 1967 which is the final word on speech from the supreme court since you are interested and allows all speech except speeches that calls for imminent violence all speech. >> like getting a gun and lnt running into a synagogue, right? i would call that imminent violence, right? >> tucker: that's not speech that's violence. now you are really scaring me. >> so we have to limit violence. i'm saying you limit>>

violence by limiting -- >> tucker: eliminate speech and eliminating privacy. >> no, come on. >> tucker: come on. give me your password. i will send you a text and you text me your facebook password and i will assess.iou >> thanks, good to be on. >> tucker: barcelona not allowed to think and says whatever he thinks and thrives. he is just the man to talk to about the battle against free speech that a lot of us are waging.to up next, the press says the mueller investigation hasss exposed literally something called treason by general mike flynn. we ask again, is there treason?en if so, how did he commit it? details ahead. details ahead. ♪ some moments can change everything.

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simple. easy. awesome. click or visit a retail store today. ♪ >> tucker: last night we got some details from mueller's prosecutors about general michael flynn's cooperation with the investigation. mueller recommended no jail time for flynn. most of the report is redacted so we still don't know what this is about. but some people on television are very confident that mike flynn committed treason. >> what the russians did to us was an intelligence operation. it was an intelligence attack on the core of our democracy. w and that's why what flynn did in supporting a candidate who the russians werer helping through this operation so egregious.. >> as a former officer, iio would send him to jail for life.

he betrayed his country. but you're torn about it at a personal level, his life is already ruined. he may be pardonable but it's unforgivable. >> tucker: almost like the dumber you are the more time you spend on television. there has got to be a formula.s joe digenova is not dumb. he a former attorney for the district of columbia. he joining us tonight to assess what's actually happening here. is there any evidence in the filing last night that general flynn committed treason? >> no. actually those two people you just saw are idiots and they don't know what they're talking about. general flynn actually did nothing wrong.as tho the agents said he didn't lie. but, mueller decided he was going to charge him with lying anyway. h everything that general flynn did was legal. the transition team communicating with the russians and other foreign diplomats -- perfectly legal. this was a designed plot to frame general flynn so that they could figure out a way to go after president trump. it's all a part of the same theme. anybody with a brain canf

figure out that sally yates had already decided that they were going to frame general flynn.n. and you know what? they succeeded. they did.t? they framed him. >> tucker: the report we got last night from mueller's team suggest that flynn was cooperating in various other ancillary investigations. what might those be? >> i saw that very short pleading like six or seven pages, had a page all dark with all these ominous things which allegedly went to the content and the context of the communications that the transition team had. well, there's no evidence that anything else that he has cooperated on has anything to do with russian collusion. the basic premise for this idiotic investigation that mueller helped set up. and so the answer is i haveha no idea what is he cooperating on. and it can't be anything of significance, otherwise, they would have mentioned it somewhere in their pleadings. >> tucker: just to take twoow

stepping back i think you know general flynn, i know general flynn. >> yes, i do. >> tucker: a guy who was ane general in the armed services, who committedd perjury, says robert mueller, and whose life has been completely destroyed. is that an overstatement? >> it's not an overstatement. in fact, that was theirr goal. their goal was to make it impossible for him not to have his life destroyed so that they could have a skin. so that they could show that somebody did something wrong who was communicating with the russians. even though thosee communications with thee russian ambassador and other russians and other foreign officials were perfectly legal. sally yates made up this logan act nonsense, which he was not charged with. nobody has been charged in 100 years with violating the logan act. perhaps they should look at john kerry. the bottom line is this was a frame-up of general flynn to get donald trump. and you know what? it almost worked, except there's was no collusion. mueller knew it when he was appointed. rod rosenstein knew there was no collusion when he appointed him. >> tucker: the lesson is

never plead, fight. >> always fight. never give in. >> tucker: don't talk voluntarily.vene >> take the fifth. that's why god made it. >> tucker: jimmy hoffa rule and by the way, i'm for that. joe, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> tucker: ken starr was the independent counsel during the clinton administration and recently wrote the u book, "contempt: a memoir of the clinton investigation." he joins us tonight. mr. starr, thank you very much for coming on. >> my pleasure, tucker, thank you. >> tucker: nothing we have seen unearthed by the mueller investigation so far, at least pertaining to american citizens, relates to russian collusion. does it bother you that thesi investigation seems to have gone off on a tangent? >> i don't think it's a tangent. i've got a different perspective. not on the collusion point. i completely agree with joe. there is nothing about this that smacks of or even suggests collusion with the russians. but, just taking the documents that were filed at face value, and joe may call them into question, but just taking them for what they

say, they say that general flynn lied multiple times to different agencies, different folks in the justice department, t including about turkey, his representation of turkey, his representation in terms of why did he write an op-ed piece, and you can say who cares about this? well, i will say this, don't lie to the investigators. from what i have seen there was no perjury trap. he was able to tell the truth. but, for some reason, about issues that he had every reason to be involved with a russian ambassador. issues with respect to sanctions, going forward, what's the relationship going to be with russia? this is a completely appropriate contact that he had and so why he fell into this pattern and it's a pattern apparently, just, again, i'm taking what the document says that mueller filed.

>> tucker: may i stop you there and ask, my understanding is the conversation fbi agents forms the basis of these charges was a voluntary one -- >> -- correct. >> tucker: which did he not have a lawyer present.rere it took place in the white house.e and if he understood it was an interview he would have had an attorney, correct? but he didn't. so what does that tell you? >> it tells you that for whatever reason, if he made a mistake, if it's an honest mistake that's not what he has pled to. he's pled to lying. whether it's poor judgmentf on his part -- and it is an american tragedy. his 33 years of service, five years combat, defense intelligence agency.hixe so this is someone who has had this exemplary career. i quite agree. this is a hugely tragic. but i don't think it works to simply say hey, he didn't tell the truth, who cares. no one said that, but i think that's the thrust of some of the critique we are hearing that it's okay. >> tucker: the broader question and this arose during the investigation that you

presided over is at what cost to the country? >> absolutely. >> tucker: you empower this guy who has no oversight. let's not pretend, he doesn't have oversight. you empower him to uncover the russian plot and he winds up threatening people with prison for things that have nothing to do with the russian plot. how do we benefit from that, exactly? >> that's a very fair question. the whole special counsel apparatus, the independent counsel apparatus, those are fair questions. let's talk about those kinds of questions. now, the check that was on me as independent counsel was i didn't simply say let's go investigate monica lewenski, the attorney general of the united states made that determination. i think that's lost on the american people. >> tucker: i think that's probably true. >> and so too here there are checks.e. you may say, well, how much of a check has it been? but right now the person who is in charge of this investigation, not day to day,

is matt whitaker, the acting attorney general under the regulations. so let's see what unfolds in the coming days. >> tucker: i don't think he will be -- very quickly,'t mr. starr, you knew george h.w. bush for an awfully long time, 50 years. >> oh, yes. y >> tucker: what was your feeling about the service today? >> oh, it was an absolutely gorgeous outpouring. i loved, among other things, senator allen simpsonon talking about the road in washington, d.c. of humility is not very crowded but that's the road that george herbert walker bush walked on. i was overruled by him by the way as president of the united states when i was serving as solicitor general and he was very wise in overruling me. he was wise and i wasn't. a footnote to history.a thank you, tucker. >> tucker: state of california was once the richest state is now the poorest state by far. why is that? there is a reason and we have got it for you after the break. one of the best sights and sounds from today's funeral of the 41st president of

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valley and for decades california has been home to the greatest technological innovation. it's no accident california became the country's richest state. it was the land of limitless opportunity. even if you never made millions there, you could live in what was, in effect, a middle class paradise. that's not true anymore. according to the census almost a fifth of californians now live in poverty. that's the highest percentage in thent country. california's middle class is fleeing to phoenix and reno and boise. soon the state will be comprised almost entirely of rich and poor. how did this happen? that question is rarely asked. the answer is pretty simple. low skilled immigration overwhelmed california. more than a quarter of theat state's entire population,ay as of today is foreign-born. again, the highest rate in the country. some of these immigrants are building successful new companies in silicon valley, good for them.

but most of them are not. overwhelming of majority of these immigrants on welfare. 72% of non-citizen households in the state of california now receive aid. that compares to just 35% of native born households. more than double the rate. now, 100 years ago immigrants came to california for opportunity. and now they come for the benefits. who can blame them? democrats long ago discovered that welfare is a handy vote-buying scheme. free stuff equals political power.r. so they give more even as native-born californians are forced to flee in an increasingly unfordable state. democratic lawmakers even now are considering a new bill that would give state funded health insurance to adult illegal immigrants. that means that literally i anybody from anywhere on the globe could hop the border in tijuana and get healthcare paid for by california taxpayers. pretty generous, if only california cared about its own people this much, it would still be the golden state. p well, president george h.w. bush was honored today in a state funeral at the washington national cathedral. it was a moving tribute to the country's 41st president.

here are some of the highlights from it. >> he was born with just two settings: full throttle, then sleep. [laughter] he taught us what it means to be a wonderful father, a grandfather and great grandfather. he was firm in his principles and supportive as we began to seek our own ways. he encouraged and comforted but never steered. we tested his patience. i know i did. [laughter] but he always responded with the great gift of unconditional love. last friday, when i was told he had minutes to live, i called him. the guy answered the phone said i think he can hear you but he hasn't said anything for most of the day. i said dad, i love you and you have been a wonderful father. and the last words he would

ever say on earth were: i love you, too. we're going to miss you. your decency, sincerity and kind soul will stay with us forever. so through our tears, let us know the blessings of knowing and loving you, a great and noble man. the best father a son or daughter could have. and in our grief, by this smile knowing that dad is hugging robin and holding mom's hand again.. [applause] >> tucker: tomorrow, a funeral service for president bush will be held in houston, texas. president bush 41 will be laid to rest at his presidentialid library. stay with fox news throughout the day tomorrow for coverage of that.

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is directly related to the growth of terrorism. yes, mr. trump, climate change is real. >> tucker: it's real and he feels it deeply. over at nbc, one of their anchors recently wondered if climate change is so serious it might render our lives without meaning. >> fires, floods, stores, famine, the effects of climate change are all around us, and according to a news essay penned by bill mcinnan it is shrinking our world, not literally but livably. i read that new yorker article today and i thought gosh, how pointless is my life and how pointless are the decisions i'm making on a day-to-day basis when we are not focused on climateay change every day? when it's not leading every onet of our newscasts. >> tucker: yeah, if it isn't about climate change it

doesn't really matter. let's take this seriously just for a second.e why not? they're always telling us let's take what they say at face value. they care deeply about climate change but if they care as deeply as they say they do if they believed the destruction of the planet is as imminent as they say it is, why are they living the way that they do? you just saw the tape of bernie sanders. he cares a lot. yet a news story came out today that said he spent $300,0000 s on a single month flying on a private plane. how could he do that? how could any of them own second homes if they really believe climate change is real? how are they using a car service when they could use mass transit? why aren't they all vegans? why aren't they living what they say they believe? they're not. the solutions they suggest and this is not unrelated, are almost always going toat be paid for by other people. the most regressive kinds of taxes, energy taxes imposed on the masses. well, the riots in paris show the masses aren't into this. and why would they be? a candidate for new york city public advocate. thanks for coming on. >> hi, tucker, how are you doing? >> i'm great.

>> tucker: i'm a little bit confused, mostly debate on on climate change is one person shouting, it's real, and the other, we don't have all the evidence. granted, everything you say about climate change. >> thank you. that's a start. we admit it. >> tucker: but if you really believed what you are saying and if bernie sanders really believes what he is saying, why is he flying on private planes? a sincere question? >> let's not get distracted from the real issue here. >> tucker: oh, oh, oh. no, no, no. i'm not going to let you off uethatetth easily. why is it not a real issue if climate change is really the only issue that matters why aren't we living like it's the only issue that matters? >> it comes down to the industry. if the industry wants to make planes that exist off of renewable energy rather than oil and gas, then, we will all be able to live on this planet.

it starts at the industry level, not the consumer. it's really not fair to put the tax on the individual. >> tucker: it's not fair for someone who is telling us the planet is being destroyed to live in a way that suggests that he actually believes the planet is being destroyed.ng i honestly really don't get it. if you are al gore and you say, nothing is more important than climate change. i'm a better person than you are because i care more than you.tete by the way, i have one of the largest houses in nashville and private and take a it you burr ban to the airport.nd sincerely, why is that okay? >> individual choices are not going to solve the disaster that we are facing. we already have a migration issue. we already have flooding.on we already have hurricanes that have hit puerto rico, have hit new orleans, have hit florida and displaced so many working people. this has to be an injury change. we have to cap emissions globally. if we don't cap emissions big industries and policy then those individual

choices mean nothing. >> tucker: hold on, individual choices always mean something. >> in a libertarian fantasy world, sure. >> tucker: i'm not a libertarian and not living in a fantasy world. in a real life, individual choices matter or else what's the point of any of this. liberals used to say it starts with one person. they don't anymore because they don't want to be held to their own standards. the solutions are always. like ordinary working people ought to pay higher gas tax. >> not the solution at all. we are against. progressives against the neoliberals and neocons progressives believe this needs to be a huge policy change. the place where we are right now, iff we increase the temperature 1 degree, you and i won't be living in d.c. and new york anymore. we will be displaced. and industries will lose money. >> tucker: i want to talk about the policy. policy solutions that will flowe from the predictions that you are making. is there any solution you have ever heard of that doesn't increase the price of energy? i have never heard of one. >> if you are going to be focused on the price of energy, we are not going toha have a planet in 10 years.

we have to talk about changing -- >> tucker: hold on. >> let me finish, tucker, la la la la la, we are going down a rabbit hole. i want to talk about the solutions. the solution is a green deal. 100 percent renewable energy, forcing the companies that are jacking up the prices on working people to actually reduce their emissions so that working people aren't displaced. so working people don't pay for hurricane damage and have clean water and water is not being privatized. a >> tucker: volume is not the same as an argument. really simple question. >> you don't like opinionated women, do you?ik >> tucker: i live with four of them. >> volume. you are pretty loud. my ear piece is blaring right now. >> tucker: let me ask you a really simple question. would the solutions you are espousing now, would they raise the price of gasoline for wage earners? >> not with the green new deal. i am actually against raising consumer prices. that is a neoliberal design. i'm a democratic socialist. i think we should have p policies and actually make

rich people -- millionaires and billionaires -- corporations pay taxes. that's the problem. no one at the top is paying taxes and the burden is going to the consumer. >> tucker: but you would allow private planes to fly, i guess, right? >> i think private planes have an obligation to change their standards. that is what policy is all about. >> tucker: get solar private planes. >> i don't know how that would function. >> tucker: i don't either. >> there are other forms of energy. >> tucker: name one. just for fun, name a renewable energy source that can power an airplane. >> well, there is -- we see it with cars. >> tucker: hemp? i'm serious is there one? >> you can charge. do you know what a prius is and a tesla is? you can do that with the level of an airplane. >> tucker: can they power a big electric airplane? >> absolutely.er i'm no engineer but i have heard of electric cars and airplanes and other forms of electric solutions.. there is also solar energies

rated so that the electricity that you are charging with is solar energy. >> tucker: back to the solar. text me a picture if you find one on the internet. nomiki, thank you. >> we have to solve this problem, we can't live on another planet. >> tucker: good to see you. columbia students can't take a joke it turns it out. they have no sense of humor. kicked a comedian off their campus for telling a very tepid joke. a reporter tells real jokes andd has lived to tell the tale. how does he do it? he joins us next with his answer. my name is jeff sheldon,

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crowd. he is a villain tonight, why? he recently made the mistake of going to columbia university where all the impressive kids go and did a comedy set briefly before he was booted off stage. he told a joke that began roughly this way being gay can't be a choice he said because, quote: no one looks in the mirror andd thinks this black thing is too easy let me add another thing to it, end quote. is that a funny joke? i don't know. your call. but it's not really attacking anybody. hardly seems vicious. but you can't say that in 2018 so the question is what exactly can you say? well dave says whatever he wants to say all the time.e. founder of bar stool sports working for him if not anybody else. he joins us tonight to tell us how he does that dave, thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: i didn't think it was a particularly hilarious joke or maybe it was more to it.ff he got yelled off stage before he could finish. but that didn't seem to me tony cross any kind of obvious line or am i missing the line? >> no, i thought that was a pretty good joke. the name of the event, by

the way, was "culture shock reclaim." if you go into a comedy club and have "shock" in there and that offends you, you probably shouldn't be in a comedy club.. very odd set of circumstances actually being paid or whatever to go to this event and be offended by any sort of joke. that was a nothing joke. i think it's well-written but he had to be mosty surprised guy in the room. >> tucker: what's amazing. >> really. >> tucker: this is columbia, like these are supposed topo be the smartest, most sophisticated young people in america. certainly the ones with the highest sat scores. what does it tell that you s they literally have no sense of humor? >> well, i mean that doesn't actually surprise me about the ivy leagues. i don't know where you went, tucker. it seems like you would be an ivy league guy with a bow tie on. ivy league guys sense of humor. that's kind of the stereotype. but then you have the other side of it. there is certainly like the harvard lampoon is famous for pushing boundaries and things like that. i don't know what this club

was asian allegiance or something. again, you can't name the j event "culture shock" and then when somebody says a pretty vanilla joke in the scheme of jokes -- very odd. just had to be shocked whoa, what did i stay in he probably didn't know. >> tucker: i have asked you this before. i think it's interesting. you run a site one of the most popular and best on the internet you say whatever you feel like saying and all t e your writers, francis ellis, one of my favorites, on your site have the same attitude and you continue to do it without being stopped. how do you carve out that freedom in a world where there isn't any freedom?m? >> we are not a slave to our advertisers. that's a huge thing. we don't get caught in the winds of public opinion. it works for us. to be honest, we have come now to accept in this environment where people get mad about jokes like that, we're just going to stay true what we do. there is a big market for it always going to be haters and a lot of times thehe haters don't know what we do. i have been called anti-semitic a million times i'm jewish.no people don't know what they are talking about. i get that once a week.

>> tucker: how do you respond to that? >> it depends on what kind of moodyi i'm in in, sometimes i am like, you nailed it, i'm like a nazi or something. i'm playing. people are so crazy they take that out of context. we are a comedy site. we are comfortable in what we do. if people don't like something, they feel like they are right. they don't want to hear the other side of the coin, they will go out of their way. pictures of me, tucker you, on this show and somebody tried to say somehow that made me anti-semite. dude, i'm jewish. what are you talking about? people just don't really want to look into the context or what's going on. and we have embraced it and there is a big market for it. and i think that makes us more popular in this day and age when people are afraid to say, you know, that joke that that guy got booed off stage for, that's ridiculous. steve carroll, "the office" my

personal favorite comedy, "the office" couldn't exist now. too many people get mad. that's a shame. >> tucker: tell the truth and winning anyway. that's why you are successful anyway. dave portnoy, thank you. >> i appreciate it particular tuck one lawmaker cracked the code that explains why democrats aren't winning more seats in the congress. we will tell you what she has discovered next. fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely. but allstate helps you. with drivewise. feedback that helps you drive safer. and that can lower your cost now that you know the truth... are you in good hands?

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>> tucker: well, democratsts retook the house in november's elections but lost seats in the senate and blue wave wasn't quite as big as they hoped it would be. why did that happen? mazie hirono of hawaii says she knows why. >> one of the things that we as democrats have a really hard time is connecting to people's hearts instead of here. they have a really hard time doing that and one of the reasons that it was told to me at one of our retreats is that we democrats know so much -- that is true. and we have to kind of tell everybody how smart we are. [laughter] >> tucker: we're just too smart. we care too much. we believe in science except biology and ultrasounds. we are just too good.

[laughs] america doesn't deserve us. it's the person who she said kavanaugh was guilty of rape because he was a man. just too smart. amazing. what a world. that's the end of our hour. the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. we'll be back tomorrow. sean hannity live from new york. >> sean: i'm not that smart. just saying. >> tucker: i'm not that smart either, my gosh. >> sean: all right, tucker, thank you. welcome to "hannity." "the hill"'s john solomon tonight has just uncovered smoking gun new evidence of fisa abuse committed at the highest levels of james comey's fbing including a damning email chain. t coming up, we are going to show you the damning new discoveries. also tonight the mueller witch-hunt is apparently winding down. the mainstream media is praying, hard, for the bombshell that they're not getting. and in just moments, we are going to tell you everything you need to know about thehe special counses an