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>> tucker: that's it. hour is over. back monday at 8:00 p.m. the show that is the sworn enemy of smugness and groupness. it's been a long week. "hannity" is next. >> sean: all right. thanks, tucker, this is a fox news alert. major breaking news on multiple fronts. paul manafort accused of lying to investigators. michael cohen will spend time in prison and bad news for the left. no evidence of any collusion. nothing. and what the left is claiming is not true. we'll prove that in the course of our hour. trump, russian collusion has been a hoax, has been and we now have evidence. disgraced fbi director james comey testified on capitol hill. he wants you to believe that fisa abuse never happened. we'll show you how his remarks
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are proven wrong and we'll tell you who does need to be prosecuted as soon as possible. it's day 569 of the mueller witch hunt. yes, what we've been telling you about the two tiered system of justice has never been worse. we start tonight, a lot of breaking news in the opening monologue. all right. we have major developments tonight from the mueller witch hunt. here's what you need to know. first, the special counsel's memo on paul manafort is out. it's heavily redacted. we know, however, that robert mueller believes that paul manafort briefed his plea deal and lied to investigators all surrounding alleged crimes, none of which have anything to do with president trump, none of which have to do with russia or anything to do with collusion. instead, a source with knowledge of the investigation tonight telling fox news that much of the redacted information likely includes potential criminal allegations we're told against tony podesta.
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that would be john podesta's brother. john podesta the clinton campaign chair. nothing. now we're talking about in the manafort case. tax evasion, other charges. bank loan applications dating back to 2007. white house press secretary sarah sanders issued this statement. said "the government's filing in mr. manafort's case is nothing about the president. it says even less about collusion. it's devoted almost entirely to lobbying-related issues and i'll add long before paul manafort ever met donald trump." also breaking today, two separate sentencing memos were filed against michael cohen. first, the southern district of northern completely rejecting cohen's pleas for leniency writing that a substantial term of imprisonment is warranted and then the memo says cohen's decision to plead guilty rather than seek a pardon for his crimes does not make him a hero. in exchange for cohen's guilty
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plea, the prosecutor's recommended only a slight reduction to the suggested five-year prison sentence. the next memo from the special counsel, that focused on cohen admitting that he lied under oath to the federal government saying the sentence should reflect the fact that lying to investigators has real consequences. let's be clear. the one thing that these two filings have in common. nothing to do with russia or collusion at all. zero evidence in any of these documents of trump russia collusion, zero. the president applauded the ruling. he tweeted totally clears the president. thank you. the president's attorney, rudy guliani, called these findings complete exoneration of the president. they have nothing. we're happy about it. the president and guliani are right about this. alan dershowitz said don't ever think about making a deal with mueller because it's not going to work out wheel for you.
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take a look. >> right now it does not sounds like it's good news from mueller. doesn't sound like in cohen they have found a witness that will give them the key to the kingdom. so far the only solid evidence he's provided is the campaign contribution issue, and it's a very weak case. >> sean: tonight we have two men facing years behind bars, a third one, george papadopoulos who was released tied who was jailed for lying to investigators. the question is for what? when you read these documents, we hear about taxi medallions, fraudulent loan applications, tax evasion. lying about a potential project
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in moscow that never got off the ground and whether they stopped talking about it in january in 2016 or june in 2016. the horror. how will america ever recover. clearly an election was stolen by this information after months of intense investigations, millions and millions and millions of your dollars spent, seedy perjury traps, legal coercion? we have absolutely no evidence of any wrong doing by the president of the united states. then you ask yourself this question, do you feel safer tonight? do you feel safer that a low-level campaign volunteer spent his 12 days in jail for allegedly lying to the omni potent robert mueller? do you feel safe the american military hero, lieutenant general flynn had to sell his house the pay his legal bills? oh, the thanks one gets for 33 years of service to his country, five of those years in combat. by the way, neither comey, mccabe, strzok or anybody in the
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fbi thought he lied. they put the screws to flynn and he had to compose a lie and he did it to get out of the mess that they were putting him in. you feel any safer than michael cohen is going to go to prison for a significant amount of time? for lying to congress? lying on a bank loan application. taxi medallion loans. not paying taxes. he feels safer knowing that manafort might spend the rest of his life behind bars because of tax fraud and lies on loan applications? had nothing to do with russia. years before he met trump. he feels safer that everyone surrounding the president is seemingly targeted and those on the left get away every single day scot-free? is that the america we want to live in? fired fbi director james comey. what we learned this week about him. john solomon reporting, we have e-mail chains that prove that comey and others in obama's doj, that they actually knowingly
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committed fraud on a fisa court and they used hillary clinton's bought and paid for phony russian dossier, the bulk of the evidence in their fisa applications in their case to obtain a warrant to spy on a trump campaign associate by the name of carter page. they did all of this, we learned this week, knowing full well that the intel community did not trust the contents of hillary's bought and paid russian dossier. in other words, they knowingly committed fraud on the fisa courts. not once, not twice, not three but four times. where is that investigation to james comey and sally yates and rod rosenstein and everybody else that signed on to those fisa applications? giving judging fraudulent, incorroborated russian lies, not telling the judges that it was directly paid for by the opposition party candidate to spy on an opposition party. today comey testified behind
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closed doors. his attorneys prevented him from answering any tough questions. during a spent press conference, he's brushing off any charges that his fisa court conduct was wrong and disgusting. think of this. remember, that he's the guy that signed on to the first warrant. that was in october of 2016. but that means he had to verify it was true. that meant he verified it that mean he corroborated it. that means that he is standing behind it. in january in trump tower, he told donald trump, president-elect, that it was salacious and unverified. watch this. >> i had total confidence that the fisa process was followed and that the entire case was handled in a thoughtful way by the doj and the fbi. the notion that fisa abused here is nonsense. >> not even christopher steele believes his own dossier. the bulk of information used to spy on americans? is that a little more important
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tonight? i'd think it is. we know the dossier was and is a debunked lie. comey never verified it. nobody corroborated steele's so-called evidence. steele himself wouldn't stand by it when questioned under oath in an interrogatory down in great britain. even after it was used to obtain a fisa warrant. even when he said it was salacious and unproven months after they had the fisa warrant in place. james comey, i guess he will sleep well tonight knowing our two-tiered justice system will never hold him accountable. so too will these liars. people that lied under oath. michael cohen is in trouble tonight because of it. what about cheryl mills or uma abedin or bruce ohr, christopher steele, john brennan, andrew mccabe? eric holder? loretta lynch? they all lied to authorities, never pros cuted or investigated. let's not forget about james comey. he lied to congress under oath. i doubt he will get the cohen
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treatment tonight. then you have the king and queen of corruption, bill and hillary clinton. from mishandling classified information, obstruction of justice, the leading subpoenaed e-mails, acid washing hard drives with bleach. busting devices with hammers and blackberries, phones. leveraging their political positions to rake in millions of dollars? the clintons tonight are perhaps this country's most corrupt politicians and never ever been held accountsable. that might be about to change. john solomon's breaking news here on this program last night, federal authorities received whistle-blower information in 2017 alleging that the clinton foundation have a whole bunch of wrong doing. mark meadows has confirmed the whistle-blowers have in fact turned over hundreds of foundation documents for lawmakers and potentially now shedding light into the clinton's cloud of corruption.
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we're talking about information surrounding quid pro quo promises while hillary clinton was secretary of state and the co-mingling of funds with the foundation and the clinton's private money and more, including one glaring example when hillary clinton was secretary of state, remember this deal signed off on sending 20% of our uranium, the foundational material for nuclear weapons to vladimir putin. by the way, this occurred as the clinton foundation was receiving millions and millions of dollars from the chairman of uranium one and the banks involved. we knew putin had an operative inside the united states. william campbell was a spy within that network. identifying money laundering and extortion. guess what? robert mueller was the fbi director. putin got the foot hold into our uranium market. the deal happened and nobody got
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in trouble. the clintons got their money, the kickback for the foundation in terms of millions of dollars. tonight an investigation we now know as of yesterday is on going. i said over and over, it's time in america to care about our constitutional republic, that we end a two-tiered justice system. we have to have equal justice under the law. more good news. a federal judge agrees with me. judge royce lambert overseeing judicial watch's freedom of information act lawsuit that involving hillary's secret server saga dropped a major bomb shell about just how far the government is willing to go to skirt transparency laws writing "at best the state's attempt to pass off its sufficient search as legally adequate during settlement negotiations was negligence borne out of incompetence. at worst, career employees in the state and justice departments colluded to scuttle
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public scrutiny of clinton, skirt foya, and hoodwink this court." he didn't stop there. calling the clinton e-mail affair, one of if gravest modern offenses to government transparency. this judge has ordered additional fact-finding in the case. this is massive news and we'll continue to keep you updated. here to go through all of if day's news, fox news contributor and investigative reporter, sarah carter. the number of "the russia hoax, the scheme to clear hillary clinton." one thing as i read through this, we got a lot of interesting things here. got a lot of really big sins like -- by the way, don't lie on a loan application. if you owe the taxes, pay the taxes. that's my advice. because obviousliout get in a lot of trouble. when you read these things, you say, okay, people did wrong things here. but none of it, not one bit of
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it, gregg jarrett, has to do with trump, russia and collusion. it seems that the media is only fixated on one thing. that is michael cohen's payment as relates to stormy and karen mcdougal and somehow we have a campaign financial violation. i have a list of them from obama and other people that committed them, too. >> and they're civil penalties. they're not criminal cases. why? to prove a criminal case of campaign violation, you have to prove the candidate knowingly violated the campaign election laws and prosecutors rarely are able to prove that because most people in america, candidates especially, don't understand the incredibly complex laws. two things that we learned today. one, in all three of them, there's no reference to trump-russia collusion to win the election. the other thing that we learned is people like manafort are
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refusing to tell bob mueller what mueller wants to hear. in other words, if you don't abide by this russian hoax, then we're going to throw the book at you and come after you with a vengeance. >> sean: sarah, you know, people say why do you compare all of the things with the clintons? because we know she violated the espionage act. it's the single biggest slam dunk case in obstruction of justice. we know that comey and strzok wrote an exoneration before they investigated. strzok expected hillary to win. then it gets to they exonerate her for crimes we know they commit. she pays for a dossier that had real russian lies in there that were spread to the american people, but also what we learned this week in john solomon's column is that in fact, the fisa court, the fbi and all of those people that signed those fisa warrants, they knew that they
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probably were false. they did it anyway. that is a fraud on the court. >> absolutely right, sean. what we have learned over the last nearly two years of investigations, both john solomon and i and congressional investigations, the special counsel was appointed to investigate a noncrime. there was no crime there. what was there is potential crimes over the last two years that have unravelled from uranium one and the testimony given by william campbell about the clintons and the clinton foundation. now the stories have come out that john put out there that are incredible. there's hundreds of pages of documents that a whistle-blower has turned over to congress. several whistle-blowers. we also know that general flynn, incredibly did not lie to the fbi agents. that came out of comey's own
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mouth. some way mueller twisted his arm and got him to admit to a count of lying so he could drag this honorable man through the wringer. take away his ability to defend himself publicly. what we need now though is a special counsel, a second special counsel to investigate this. this is coming from lawmakers on the hill, from attorneys that have been very well-read on this issue, whether william barr, whether he gets nominated, becomes the new attorney general, whether he will appoint a second special counsel is vitally important now. the american people deserve to know the truth and the people that violated the laws, including foreign intelligence surveillance court, when they violated both the fbi and the doj to get that warrant on carter page need to be held accountable and it needs to be investigated. >> sean: we talk about uranium one. we had a spy in putin's network.
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>> sure. >> sean: we still allowed, even though -- his reporting back bribery, kickbacks, money laundering and other crimes to the fbi. they don't act. the deal goes through with hillary. money from people involved get sent back to the foundation. that's russia. russia got our uranium. nobody seems to care. >> the clinton foundation got $145 million from russian sources. >> sean: serious money. they got the dossier. bought and paid for russian lies. looks like james comey is the only personal on earth that believes that two hookers were urinating on trump's bed in moscow. steele doesn't believe it. but comey does based on his words today. so you go there this. you have loan application lies taxes that were not paid, campaign finance violations.
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yet we have real russian lies that the other candidate paid for. nobody cares about that. why? how is that possible? >> if there was any collusion, it was hillary clinton who paid for russian information and fed it to the fbi and the justice department that damaged donald trump. the fbi and doj ran with that. they used this phony dossier and they knew it was fabricated. the new e-mails that we'll get when they're declassified will prove that. >> sean: why do i think if i was stupid enough to lie to a judge -- >> six felonies. >> sean: you couldn't get me out of jail. >> one is abuse of power, obstruction of justice, perjury. the list goes on and on. when you deceive a court and conceal evidence, you're lying to them. you're perpetrating a fraud. the chief justice of the u.s. supreme court, john roberts, is in charge of the fisa court. he should order the presiding judge to he a show called -- >> sean: doesn't he appoint all
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fisa court judges? >> they should bring them before the court to say explain yourselves. >> sean: we knew part of this, what john's blockbuster this week showed, we knew the part that they never told the fisa court that in fact hillary paid for this -- this might have a political key to it. that's as far as they went in a foot note. >> right. >> sean: so now we know that our intel community had real problems with the dossier. turns out, christopher steele in the end wouldn't stand by it. >> right. >> sean: so they go before a fisa court four times, sarah. >> that's right. >> sean: using information that they didn't verify or corroborate. not only that, did they suspect it was false from the beginning. why? >> absolutely. >> sean: for russian lies. >> absolutely. another problem that the intel community has, sean, and you know this based on stories that we wrote over a year ago, they were unmasking americans and
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when are they going to investigate who unmasked general michael flynn? in those documents to the washing top post. it's one of the most egregious violations in the intelligence community. when you unmask an american's name. we believe we know where that came from. it came from leakers within the government that wanted to push this type of collusion story forward. a false narrative. there wasn't even just that. remember over the 300 unmaskings that samantha power was was involved with and the weaponization of the intelligence community. these are egregious acts that basically violated the foundation of our constitution and what we stand on, on principle. so the only thing we can do -- >> sean: one of the first articles that you and john co-authored together had to do with surveillance, unmasking, the lack of minimizization and the leaking of intelligence. that is a crime that happened
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under general flynn. that's the perjury trap. they had the whole conversation. they bring him in. he didn't really know he was being interviewed. he thought he was being informed leading into his new position. he didn't remember it perfectly. the fbi didn't think he was lying but he is going bankrupt. he has to sell his house. they're threatening his family or somebody. i'm wondering what was the increase in surveillance? was it 320% in 2016? >> yes. the obama administration themselves had to come forward to the courts and admit that they were doing this. they secretly tried to bury it. let's remember this. when the fbi agents interviewed general flynn, they went back and they notified the fbi including comey and andrew mccabe that flynn did not lie at all. he gave them information that he didn't even though they knew. so he was even more than forthcoming with them. so the american public really has to think about what happened
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here. what can happen to them if something like this happens again. it shouldn't be allowed to happen again and people should be held accountable. >> sean: i want to go to a legal question for you, greg. i have it here. obama 2008 campaign fined for campaign violations reporting. okay. the one thing out of all of this because they can't tie donald trump to the taxi medallion issue or the loan application issue or the fact that some people didn't pay all of their taxes and were hiding things from the government through various, i guess, banking methods. so then they -- so the media is saying, well, michael cohen paid this money to buy the silence of these women. so it's a campaign donation or violation. because it was on his behalf -- remember, michael said he did it on his own originally. i think he changed his story.
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on his own, not telling donald trump what he was doing and paid back. is there any law that was broken there? >> no. first of all, donald trump used his own money and under the law you're allowed an unlimited amounted of your own money to your campaign. second of all, in addition to that, you know, you're also able to skirt the campaign laws as a crime because you didn't knowingly break the law. you know, if michael cohen was filing faulty paperwork, that's what he did, not donald trump. >> sean: so michael changed the story. originally i think he said january of 2016 trump, moscow, the tower was -- they stopped any discussions of it. it never happened in the end. then he said no, it was june. went on longer than he originally said. let's say he did continue. let's say they built trump tower
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in moscow? >> it's perfectly legal. anybody can develop real estate in russia or anywhere else. this guy, you know, the president of the united states is a real estate developer. he backed out of the deal. he had a letter of intent and said sorry, i'm not going to exercise this. there's no evidence of any collusion with russia that pertained to the election. >> sean: the lessons are, pay your taxes -- >> no secret conveyance, no rendezvous in moscow. none of that. >> sean: so lesson here is simple. don't lie on your loan applications, pay your taxes and if robert mueller offers you a deal, don't trust him. because didn't get michael cohen a lot, did it? and does not equal justice under the law that is learned. >> you should never trust robert mueller. if you get a subpoena, don't talk to robert mueller. go immediately to a lawyer. this is an individual that got a
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subpoena who knows nothing about any of this. but that -- >> sean: go straight to jail. >> right. >> sean: good to see you. joining us now live with a report is our washington fox news chief intelligence correspondence, catherine herridge. she like us is -- by the way, i read every bit of this today. i was like -- ready to fall asleep. >> there was a lot to go through. just to recap, sean, we had two filings out of new york state. one from the u.s. attorney for southern district of court and the other for the special counsel recommending significant jail time for michael cohen. there's one section that is getting attention about michael cohen and what he offered the special counsel on russia. it reads in part that cohen provided the sco with certain
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discrete russia related matters that he gained through his contact with company executives during the campaign. cohen provided relevant and u useful information with his contacts of the white house during this time period. the filings don't explain more about the nature of the contacts. it's important to know that the u.s. attorney filing is very dramatic the way it written. it reads in part -- >> here in washington, we also had a filing on the president's former campaign chairman, one of the documents was filed under seal, which means it's not public. the other was released publicly.
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as you can see here, it's heavily redacted. it makes the case that the lying m manafort is guilty of does not go to issue of russian coordination or collusion, sean. >> sean: there's one report, i've not been able to confirm it, anything involving any people connected to john podesta? >> john roberts got some information that the section that is sealed in the manafort filing here in washington has to do with tony podesta. tony podesta was doing lobbying work with paul manafort, with the ukraines. i understand from the reporting earlier from the associated press, the special counsel has been looking at greg craig, a former counsel under the obama administration. correct me if i'm wrong there. but the bottom line is it does appear the special counsel is
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looking at democrats in what is called the violation of fair, the foreign agent registration act. people have been asking whether the special counsel will apply the laws equally in this case. we at least see perhaps some indications they're looking at democrats. if i could finally on james comey. because this is a big story today. kind of got buried in the avalanche of filings, sort of late in the day. comey as you know was on capitol hill for this closed door interview for six hours. this is an extraordinary situation where an fbi director is brought back to the hill, put under oath because the lawmakers in effect on the republican side really don't trust him. i mean, i don't know if there's an easier way to say it. they wanted the transcribed interview. after the session, he got a number of questions which frankly felt seemed to me like softball questions. didn't really go to the issue of the clinton e-mails and the desperate handling of that case
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and then also the russia case. let's just take my questions i got to him. whether there was evidence that there was fisa abuse or the misuse of the surveillance process during the 2016 election. >> total confidence that the fisa process was followed and that the entire case was handled in a thoughtful responsible why by doj and the fbi. i think the notion that fisa was abused here is nonsense. >> the question was about whether he had total confidence in the dossier and its use to secure that surveillance. as you know, sean, by the time he briefed the incoming president in january of 2017, that dossier was still unverified at that time. that is three months after the initial application. the great thing about the deal brokered between comey's lawyers and the lawmakers on capitol hill is that this transcript is going to be made public. this will allow individuals to test the statements that they
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heard from director comey, that he answered the questions, nothing about russia, only the e-mails and there was no problem with the fisa warrant process. it will also allow us to test the statements of republicans that a government lawyer really ran a lot of interference and shut down critical lines of questioning. >> tucker: if you look, christopher steele in the interrogatory, he wouldn't stand by his own dossier. if it was as the nunez and grassley information came from, then one has to question if this e-mail chain does exist as john solomon reported this week, that said directly that james comey's name was on it. did they verify it and when? what did they verify? what part of it was wrong? if it was the bulk of information, was a fraud committed on the court? also one other question.
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why didn't they tell the court the fisa judges that in fact hillary had bout and paid for that fisa warrant when it was just a mere foot note in the fisa application? >> a lot of good stuff in the transcript. what was avoided -- >> sean: we'll get it tomorrow, right? >> that was the plan. i think there could be a little foot dragging. there was a justice department lawyer in there. a government lawyer. there may be issues about redactions. both sides want to make sure the transcript is accurate before it goes out. a lot of good stuff. you can test what everybody said today and see if that really was an accurate portrayal of what went down inside that closed-door session. >> sean: thanks for taking us inside. thanks, catherine herridge. joining us now with reaction, mark penn, darrell issa, tammy bruce. good to see you. congressman issa, you were in there. hopefully we'll get the transcript tomorrow. i just went over the problems
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with the fisa applications. is it true that the bulk of the information came from the dossier that steele doesn't stand by? >> that's correct. not only came from the dossier, but steele hasn't been in russia in 20 years. so the people responsible for it could have easily in fact been agents of the russian government, which would mean hillary clinton is guilty of collusion. >> sean: a great irony there. you've been very critical, mark penn, of this process from the get go here as you should be. i don't -- i believe if we have a duel justice system -- i'm looking at taxi medallions, loan applications. no collusion here at all. this has gone so afar. i do see issues with russia with uranium one. that we had a spy within that network. we did have a lot of money
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kicked back in the end. then i do see issues with the dossier. it's full of russian lies. the fbi used it as the basis of the fisa applications. in fact, they never verified it. what james comey just said is false. we know they didn't verify it because steele doesn't stand by it. >> well, i typically urge all americans to read the dossier. anyone that actually reads the dossier understands that it's a joke document. it's a document filled with nonsense that couldn't possibly be true that almost reads like an april fool's joke. now that we spent, you know, $30 million, you know, investigated almost everyone in the campaign, the administration, there's still no evidence of anything that one would call collusion and not related to the case. in anything, we're drifting more ban to monica lewinsky days by talking about payments to stormy daniels and trying to take
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payments that are clearly not campaign related under the definitions that have been ruled by the sec and try to turn those into crimes that you associate the president with. it's the whole creep of the special counsel to get the president all over again. >> sean: seems that gregg jarrett explained it well in terms of the law. i watched the hysteria on tv. they're saying campaign finance violations. i have campaign violations from 96 over here, 2008 over here, bob dole over here, al gore over here. the biggest fine paid by obama. my question to you, as you look at where this has now gone, i mean, i feel bad for the men involved in the things that happened, but i feel they're victims of what is selective prosecution and a political witch hunt that they got caught up in by no other reason that they like donald trump. >> this is why we're nervous when there's more regulations and laws.
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we wake up as americans and we're breaking some kind of a law. but then it's selective how it gets applied. but it's always hovering over you, this entire dynamic ranging from the dossier to which catherine herridge described about their writing in the filing that they just did. it's fan fiction. we're talking about criminal justice reform on one hand from the trump administration, of course and the american people see this fraud, this hoax being unleashed on people in washington. we experience it also at the local level in our daily lives, whether it's the disenfranchised, people of color. this is a chilling event. americans recognize it and don't like it and it's up to the president -- >> sean: the president -- >> the american people have to be clear about what is happening. >> sean: he can still release the applications, the gang of eight information and the 302s. last question, darrell issa. we just had comments from james comey. do you believe what he said about the fisa warrants was
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accurate or did he lie? >> he certainly is inaccurate. the idea that these things were anything other than falsely granted based on deceiving a federal judge is more laughable than what mark said about the dossier itself. ultimately this dossier is what got them into a business of looking for a crime that didn't happen. >> sean: unbelievable. thank you all. when we come back, congressman mark meadows revealed today -- what did he reveal that should have the clintons worried tonight? larry elder will examine that. glad you're with us. your brain changes as you get older. but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient
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whistle-blowers have turned over hundreds and hundreds of documents that may shed a light on what is a criminal pay for play scheme as john solomon first reported last night. federal authorities received whistle-blower evidence in 2017, 6,000 pages alleging clinton foundation wrong doing. here with reaction, doug schroen, larry elder is with us. your friends with the clintons at one point, doug schroen. you have to give it to them. they seem to skate every time. >> and my position is, if you're going to finish as we should the mueller investigation, why wouldn't we want balanced and look at the issues that have been raised? i'm not passing judgment on anything, sean. >> sean: you agree uranium one is troublesome, the phony dossier that christopher steele doesn't stand by which became the basis for fisa warrant
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applications? they bother you? >> they do. but look, i've read the dossier. that it was -- >> sean: ridiculous. >> put together by the clinton campaign, paying millions of dollars for it and used it as a basic for fisa warrants is a troubling thing to me -- >> sean: troubling? >> it is. yeah. >> sean: the guy that wrote it doesn't stand by it. we learned this week in john solomon's investigative report, larry elder, not only that, our own intelligence community had questions but they still used it as the basis and bulk of information to obtain a warrant to spy on a trump campaign associate. those are russian paid for lies. i thought we were worried about russian interference and the lies were disseminated to the american people to cause them to vote against donald trump. >> that's right. it's becoming increasingly obvious, isn't it, sean, that this whole investigation started
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with this bogus dossier. i'd like to point out, people are defending the mueller problem by arguing, he's gotten eight or nine convictions so far. if the definition of a good special counsel probe is the convictions they get, the criminal on the whitewater probe was a home run. they got 14 convictions including governor of arkansas. they had to do with the underlying purpose of the investigation, which was an alleged crooked real estate deal. the convictions that mueller has has nothing to do with collusion or coordination by donald trump. so it's a whole thing -- >> sean: let me ask you a legal question. people forget you're a lawyer. i don't. i might need lawyers one day. this is important. gregg jarrett talked about this. i watched the media. they're claiming campaign violations. michael cohen's original story
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is he did this without the knowledge of donald trump on his own with his own money acting in a way he thought as his own personal attorney that his client would want him to act. trump paid him back the money and so on and so forth. as gregg pointed out, it's civil. b, the president can spend -- no limit to the amount of money he can spend as a candidate running for that office. how is that a crime? >> that's what i -- i agree with his analysis. look, it's not a crime. what did bill clinton say? everybody lies about sex? the idea that donald trump wouldn't want people to know about his relationships is no surprise. is it a crime? it's not a crime. >> sean: last word, doug. >> what i'd say, if anything happened to donald trump after the access hollywood tape came out, his vote went up. figure that into his equation. >> sean: i don't know how to interpret that, doug.
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cohen but do they point to the president in a way we haven't seen before? >> sure. >> this is the first time that federal prosecutors are accusing the president of the united states of having directed a crime. >> i'm willing to bet that there is good evidence that trump had the intent to commit this crime. >> michael cohen's two campaign finance felonied were directed as individual one. that person is donald trump. that means that donald trump also committed two felonies. >> the department of justice in the most explicit terms said the president of the united states committed two felonies. said it right. came out and said it. >> sean: joining us now, the hill's media reporter, joe concha and sean spicer. what they're forgetting is michael for a long time said that he did it without anybody's knowledge, sean. and they did it on his own with an entity he created and didn't
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tell the president and only later the president found out and paid the money back, which by the way the gregg jarrett said he could do with his own funds. so they want to believe one version that fits their narrative but not remind people the other michael cohen. which one do you believe? >> not only that, but if you read the complaint, it's ridiculous. they talk about michael cohen's taxi medallion, failure to pay taxes. nothing to do with russia or collusion or nothing to do with this campaign. and then you see some of these reporters say in the clips that you just showed that the department of justice said the following. it said nothing of the sort. yet to your point in your opening monologue, these reporters are so fixed on going after this president, they will make stuff up. it's amazes me for as much as
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they despise the term "fake news", the clips that you just showed showed the length to which they will go to make things up and attack and undermine this president. >> sean: joe, in this, they go through a litany of crimes. they say that michael cohen should have substantial jail time. talked about a side of michael cohen that his friends did not know about. they get to this part. they take the version that is most recent, at the behest of donald trump, that he did these things, that the president was asking him to commit crimes, which is what he originally claimed. who should they believe? >> we don't know, right? ultimately, sean, the theme here from the very beginning has been the question of did donald trump and campaign associates collude with russian officials to change the outcome of the 2016 election. and if you don't connect that
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dot in the court of public opinion, nobody cares about this other stuff. i have precedent on this. we all have it. it's just a matter of remembering it. remember, during the 90s, bill clinton was not being investigated for his affair with monica lewinsky. it creeped in that direction. when he committed perjury about that affair and impeached over it and not removed from office though -- >> sean: the paula jones lawsuit. >> right. it ends up being another thing all together. bill clinton's approval shot up to 73% in gallop. if democrats overreach here and the media overreaches, nobody is going to care. it's irrelevant. unless what it's been based on, doesn't matter. >> sean: it's a different story, sean spicer. and then they list a litany of crimes. i feel sorry for michael and paul manafort. you know, these are human beings
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with families and lives here. they want to believe the side that fits their narrative, not the fact that oh, they say he did these horrible things but i'm going to believe this one thing he said here, not that contradictses what he previously said. >> right. two things important here. when you read box of the documents with respect to manafort and cohen, the underlying principle in both is that they lie. they didn't tell the truth. that's what they got busted for you. made the point, don't lie, don't cheat on your taxes and file the forms correctly. that's what this is about. they didn't. that's what they're getting butted for. nothing to do with the president. >> sean: all right. quick break. more at this busy news night continues.
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when you pay your taxes, make sure you pay all your taxes and follow the rules and laws. the other thing we have to learn here is we have dual justice systems in america. the funny russian dossier is a story tonight. i have a great weekend and thanks for joining us tonight, laura is next. >> laura: i'm laura ingraham and this is "the ingraham angle "the ingraham angle." we will methodically break down everything you need to know about the mueller sentencing memos. we will also plan on getting into some other stories later tonight. hollywood a list are kevin hart from hosting the oscars over the remarks that he made over a decade ago. it is a pc culture killing entertainment and comedy? raymond arroyo will be here and show us one of the more repulsive toys of the sea
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