sure you pay all your taxes and follow the rules and laws. the other thing we have to learn here is we have dual justice at 7:00. take care, everybody. tucker carlson is next. >> tucker: we're opening with a fox news alert tonight. there's a lot breaking in the mueller investigation. several new documents just came out. what do they mean? do they mean anything at all? we will walk you through it throughout the course of this hour. also tonight, incoming house speaker nancy pelosi says that the very idea of a border wall is immoral. >> most of us, speaking for myself, consider the wall immoral. >> tucker: the wall is immoral. what does that say about how pelosi views this country? republicans take the hint that they have about three weeks left in history to fund the border wall they promised. more in a minute.

first, the breaking news on the mueller investigation. we go to the person we always go to and good reason. catherine herridge joins us. >> thanks, tucker. let's just break it down together. because there's so much here. all of this came down for folks at home late in the day. we had three filings over a 90-minute period. let's start in new york with the president's former personal attorney, michael cohen. two filings. one from the u.s. attorney in the southern district and the second from the special counsel. the bottom line on sentencing is that they're recommending significant jail time, and four years and a fine of $500,000. buried in the special counsel filing is kind of an indicator of what kind of information he's provided on russia. i'm going to my glasses here and the paper. >> tucker: thank you. >> it says cohen provided the sco with use foul information concerning russia-related

matters core to the investigation that he obtained by his regular contact with company executives during the campaign. cohen provided relevant and useful information with persons connected to the white house during the 2017-18 period. so what we have in the filing is a window into this russian contact, but then we feel a little cheated because you don't know from the filing what happened with those russian contacts and whether they were appropriate at all or inappropriate. >> tucker: okay. that suggests more than it tells. >> exactly. that's my point. it's like a teaser. you see some of this information. we know it's michael cohen, he pled guilty to lying to congress about this moscow real estate deal in 2016. >> tucker: which didn't take place. >> it was a timing issue. cohen told congress that they stopped talking about it in january 2016 but they continued the conversations until june. so that was at the height of the

presidential campaign and passed the iowa caucuses. that was a timing issue. based on the filing today, looks like there may be other contacts that were important with the russians. but again, we don't want to speculate because we don't know what the essence of those contacts are and whether they're relevant to this allegation of coordination or collusion or improper contact. >> tucker: we also had today heavily redacted documents pertaining to paul manafort. what do they tell us? >> paul manafort is a former campaign chairman. the allegation is that he violated his plea agreement. he pled guilty to a number of crimes. part of the negotiation that he would cooperate with special counsel and look at a reduced jail time and his wife and daughter would keep their homes. that was the big sort of bone that they were holding out to him. what happened today is that the judge agreed that part of the filing would be under seal,

which means for a lay person that it's not public. that you can't see it. like period, you can't see it. that would go to ongoing investigations. and then there's a part that is public, but as you have known from seeing it, it's heavily redacted. that section. it alleges that manafort broke the agreement by continuing contact with the administration though he had been told to cease all contact. >> tucker: there's a story tonight, we can't confirm it, that in parts of that filing that are available for but view, the investigations ongoing pertain to tony podesta. >> right. i don't have that independently. what i could say just as a data point is that i -- it makes sense to me. what we've been seeing in the background here is that there is an investigation looking at tony podesta and his lobbying work and the former -- i believe the white house counsel under the obama administration, greg craig. one of the questions republicans

have had, is it only going to look at republican lobbying efforts and they would look at democrats. >> tucker: manafort was working with tony podesta for quite some time. catherine herridge, thank you. >> thanks for breaking it down. >> tucker: there's a lot. >> you're welcome. >> tucker: see you again. alan dershowitz is a retired and imminent professor at harvard. he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. all of this is coming out as we're reporting it and hard to assess. but i want to get to the core allegations once again. so you heard catherine herridge say repeatedly that the special counsel said that michael cohen is in contact with the russians at various points. how would that be criminal? under what circumstances would that be criminal, do you think? >> well, only be criminal if, for example -- this is a

hypothetical -- the campaign or president trump or somebody on his behalf offered putin a penthouse apartment at the top of the tower in exchange for getting a permit to build the tower. that would be arguably criminal under the federal corrupt practices act. short of that, it's very, very hard to see this. i think we're seeing a coming attraction to what the report will be. i think the report will set out a circumstantial case based on all the lying that is taking place, a circumstantial case for arguably political sins. but i don't see any crimes. collusion itself is not a crime. using information given by russia to wikileaks would not be a crime unless the campaign participated with wikileaks in the hacking itself. there's no evidence to support

that. so what i'm afraid is going to happen is this special counsel whose job it is only to find crimes, not sins, only crimes, will blur the line between crimes and sins and write a report designed to put the president in a bad light but in the end, they won't be able to find any specific violations of federal criminal statutes unless they stretch these vague laws like obstruction of justice beyond any recognition. >> tucker: so is it a prosecutor's job constitutionally to paint a politician or anyone in a "bad light" without charging him with relevant crimes? that's not in his purview, is it? >> it's worse than improper. it's unconstitutional. the grand jury has a specific function. it's supposed to only indict or not indict. indeed, prosecutors generally don't issue reports for that reason. they only hear one side of the case. they don't hear the other side.

there's no cross examination of witnesses. that's why it's wrong for prosecutors to issue a report. comey should have not have said we're not indicting hillary clinton. should have been the justice department official. now i think it's wrong for there to be a public report laying out a political case. now, at the very least, what has to happen is the new attorney general has to, if he receives the report, say i'm not making it public until the other side has had a chance to rebut it and file its own report. then you get two political reports. one from each side and the public can judge. this sounds like a distortion of what prosecutors ought to do. prosecutors ought to do up and down, indict, not indict. if you have the evidence of crime, indict. otherwise, shut up. >> tucker: so when the special counsel's office releases documents as they did today that make cryptic references of meetings with russia without

explaining why this is relevant or illegal, does this -- is this a manipulative public relations move rather than a legal one? >> it raises the suspicion that the final report will also include allegations of political sin rather than specific crimes. that's just not the proper role of special counsel or any prosecutor. i hope it doesn't happen. i hope that mueller, who has a generally good reputation as a prosecutor, will remember that his job essentially was to uncover crimes that occurred before he was appointed. at the moment, most of the crimes he's uncovered occurred after he was appointed. lying, lying to congress, lying to prosecutors, and crimes that are unrelated to his mandate. manafort for financial crimes, cohen taxi cab crimes. the only crimes he seems to have found related to russia are by russians. that was not part of his

mandate, number 1. number 2, nobody is going after the russians. they won't be sent to the united states. they're not coming to disneyland. that's moot. >> tucker: one final general question. you watched our legal system and participated in it for decades now. is it common for prosecutors, good people, people of integrity, to be caught up in a zealotry where they become focused on destroying people? >> that's the problem with special counsel. you come in and there's somebody out there or people out there with targets on their back. in this case, he went after so many people that had close connections to the president in an attempt to get him. don't believe me. listen to judge ellis that presided over the manafort case. he was very critical of how the special prosecutor is squeezing people. not only in order to make them sing but in some cases people are composing because they think better the story, the better the

deal. it gives an object lesson to criminal defense lawyers. be careful when you make a deal. when you make a deal with the prosecutors, they can come back and hurt you. look what happened to cohen. he made a deal. the special counsel said he's cooperated. the u.s. attorney in new york says he ought to get substantial jail time. that's why in 53 years of practicing law, i have very, very rarely made deals or pleas with prosecutors because i basically don't trust them. i don't trust the system. the system today is so skewed in favor of prosecutors and against defendants. >> tucker: we may lose perspective here. i want to remind viewers, that you're not a trump voter or a figure on the right. you're defending what you think is our tradition of law. >> i've been saying the same thing for 55 years. saying the same thing for 55 years. i expressed the same criticism of prosecutors, whether they go after democrats or republicans.

>> tucker: amen. alan dershowitz, thanks very much. >> thank you. >> tucker: as we said at the open, there's breaking news from the mueller investigation. we're not exactly sure what some of it means. but it is coming at us right now. james comey testified on capitol hill today. he dropped his initial plans to many legal chaplains to the subpoena he received. what did we learn from comey on the hill? tom was watching carefully. he's president of judicial watch. he's here to tell us about that and to assess the memos. first to comey. tom, thanks for coming on. what did we learn? >> we learned that comey is not worried about being prosecuted because he didn't take the fifth and we learned that the fbi and just it's the department are still hampering the investigation by ordering him not to answer key questions according to republicans that complained about the way it proceeded. >> tucker: can i ask a question? am i overstating this? i want to be fair. it seemed to me like he

committed perjury because he said he never participated in leaking while fbi director and andy mccabe said he had. did anybody ask him about that? >> i don't know. depends on the meaning of leak. >> tucker: i guess it does. >> he took the fib memos, the files of trump are up and leaked them with a specific person of getting a special counsel appointed. he ought to be under criminal investigation for taking the records and leaking them and also under investigation about taking classified information. if you're under criminal investigation at the federal level and someone asks you question about it and the official circumstance like this, you take the fifth. >> tucker: george papadopoulos was in prison until a minute ago. are you getting the impression that the truly powerful don't face legal consequences? it's always the little guy. jerome corsi, some 72-year-old writer that gets threatened. by james comey gets to do whatever he wants? >> it's not necessarily powerful

but a partisan process. president trump is powerful but he's being attacked and abused. >> tucker: good point. >> if you're connected to the democratic establishment, you're protected. mr. comey is mueller's witness. he appointed mueller. he worked with mueller. his friends with mueller. now we're seeing what happens if you're one of the friends of mueller. you get protected by this justice department and this fbi. if you're not a friend of mueller, you'll be used and abused in the case of cohen who was used to go after trump in a dishonest ways in my view by this special counsel and being abused and thrown under the bus. oh, yeah, we used his testimony. we're able to insert the word "russia" 50 million times as a result of these plea deals that didn't have anything to do with russia collusion but we're going to ask the court to allow him to go to jail for 3 1/2 years. >> tucker: making this cynical. i wish it wasn't.

i love this country. there's a rule today in hillary's e-mails. what is that? >> a big ruling by judge royce lambert that opened discovery in the clinton e-mail issue. he's angry about what the justice department and the fbi did. he fears he was hoodwinked and kept the e-mails away us from. he's concerned that hillary clinton created this e-mail system to avoid justice and he went after this justice department for coming in court and engaging in chicanery to make excuses for and explain away the misconduct that saw the e-mails hidden and the e-mail system used to avoid court scrutiny, congressional scrutiny and questions from the american people. in fact, he asked, was benghazi one of the reasons they didn't want us to know about the e-mails? this discovery is significant. >> tucker: amazing. >> congress is out to lunch on this. the justice department is on the other side. the court wants more answers. >> tucker: what happened to the

republican congress? we have to do a series on that in january. thanks, tom. >> thank you. >> tucker: three whistle-blowers have come forward with allegations of corrupt dealings at the clinton foundation according to mark meadows. he says the whistle-blowers produced hundreds of pages of documents. they exposed misallocations of funds and the creation of quid pro quo arrangements in hillary clinton's time as secretary of state. that would be influenced pedalling. the continuing investigation to the clinton foundation is the subject of a congressional hearing next week. peter schweizer is well-traveled in these waters. thanks very much for coming on. who are these whistle-blowers? do we know? >> we know they have done work with the fbi, that they work with a consulting firm. we know they'd did research that include apparently an interview for discussion with the cfo of the clinton foundation. i have not seen the material

yet, tucker. it further confirms this long established pattern of serious questions about what the clinton foundation is up to. think of the scales of justice, tucker, look at what launched the trump russia collusion investigation, which was the steele dossier. by the way, i thought it was a good idea to investigate this. that launched the trump investigation. on the clinton foundation side, we know that money was transferred to the clintons. we know they agreed to disclose donors, that they hid the donation. you can find the $20 donation of mary smith in arkansas but the $2 million from a russian observed uranium company was not disclosed. they lied about meeting with journalists that took place. only when the journalists showed

them the photographs that they admitted what happened. we have an investigation by simpson thatcher that talked about there was a pay-to-play expectation by big donors. this will further confirm what we have already known. for the life of me, how you can launch an investigation based on the steele dossier, which comey admitted was unverified but look at this other body of information and say, well, there's nothing to see here proves the point that tom made earlier. justice seems to be certainly not balanced and seems to be partisan. >> so a pay for play offer to foreigners from a foundation run by the secretary state. that is in a criminal category, is it not? >> absolutely. people make this mistake all the time. it's a charity. it's very clear the bribery charges in the united states, the international bribery standards to which hillary clinton is secretary of state committed the united states to. the international bribery

standard says if you donate to a person, give money to a political figure, if you give to family members or their charity, that is all criminal if you're trying to engage in pay-to-play. american companies that have given to legitimate charities in foreign countries for that purpose have be charged under the foreign corrupt practices act. it's a very serious issue. >> so the line in the clinton foundation is charity. it continues its important work of fighting childhood obesity around the world or whatever it was pretending to do. how is it doing now that there's no more influence to sell? do we know? >> great question. we know the donations are way down, off by 50%. now, you would think that bill and hillary clinton, she's not running for president, you'd think they have a lot of time on their hands to do fun raising for the clinton foundation. the money has dried up, particularly from foreign entities. so this should be no surprise. if you chart the rise of the

clinton foundation, particularly with foreign donations, tucker, it rises and falls with the political fortunes of the clintons, which is further evidence of why they were donating this money. by the way, to the work of the clinton foundation as a charity, this internal review that was done by simpson thatcher, they interviewed clinton foundation employees and asked them to rate the effectiveness of the clinton foundation as a charity on a scale from 1-10. the average clinton foundation employee gave it a 4. so they didn't consider it a very effective charity even though that's where they worked. >> tucker: if your employees are giving you a 4 out of 10, it's a problem. peter schweizer, always fact based. good to see you. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: dan bongino is on the show. he's the author of "spay gate", the attempted sabotage of donald trump. you saw dan as we did, the new

documents pertaining to michael cohen and paul manafort. in those is the word "russia." that word is not explained by repeated quite a bit. is that evidence of a felony? when you use the word "russia" over and over, that means the person about whom is using it should be in jail? is that the law? just checking. >> may be a grammatical felony if you spell it wrong. but mentioning a russia in a report is not a felony at all. i love when you say that. it's true. they say it as if the mention of russia somehow -- you know, automatically imparts on someone an air of criminalality. i've been to russia. i went there as a secret service agent. >> tucker: what? >> yes, shockingly. >> tucker: in your capacity as a federal agent? >> it gets better. this is where it really gets nasty. the government asked me to go over there as a secret service

agent. how is that? how could the federal government ask me to go to russia? this is absurd. it's ridiculous. >> tucker: it's so vast. yes. of course. >> a hallmark of a conspiracy theory. it can never be disproven, right? >> tucker: exactly. >> there's take-aways here. you can figure out and say looking at the paperwork, bob mueller is not investigating collusion. bob mueller is investigating donald trump, this is the equivalent of a tax-payer funded private investigator following donald trump and his team around to harass him the rest of his presidency. it's a joke, an embarrassment. the media figures supporting this should be ashamed of themselves, this is a farce. >> tucker: this is setting a precedent that we don't want to live with. seriously dangerous precedent how the government behaves. dan bongino, great to see you despite your grave admission

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the answer is the day that nancy pelosi got ordained. pelosi is an archbishop in the church of progressive s sanctimony. >> what the president did is immoral. this is a moral challenge. an immoral, incompetent. >> we have a moral responsibility. >> moral responsibility to the next generation. >> just a reflection of the weak moral authority. >> tucker: weak moral authority. that is not a problem for st. nancy. her moral thought is absolute. she is a good person. you, unfortunately are not. so pay attention as she explains again, a border wall is immoral. fine. we'll take her at her word. god hates walls.

but if walls are immoral, what about fences? obama seemed to like them. >> the bill before us will certainly do some good. they will authorize some badly-needed funding for better fences and better security along our borders. that should help stem side of the tide of illegal immigration in this country. >> tucker: better fences says obama. that sounds immoral. what about israel's security wall? it's big and real and effective. pelosi supported it, actually. she voted for a resolution defending that wall from u.n. condemnation. it's confusing. must have been before her conversion. now the walls are immoral, a few logical question arise. what about doors? and locks? how about hedges or security systems or airport checkpoints or anything else that specifically is designed to keep some people out? what about the gate in front of pelosi's weekend house?

is st. nancy against that? of course not. republicans often say the left opposes borders. we've said that many times. it's not quite true. in their own lives, democrats are all for excusesivety. they just oppose america's borders. america is a sinful nation, they tell us. we can only atone for those sins by giving what we have to the entire world. so there's a lesson here for republicans. the president got elected by promising a border wall. people wanted that. they voted for him. president pledged that in almost every speech he gave. >> i'm going to build a wall and it's going to with a real wall, a strong wall. nobody is coming through unless it's legal. nobody, nobody. going to be a real wall. not a toy wall like we have right now.

>> build the wall, build the wall! >> don't worry, folks. we're going to be building the wall. >> paul ryan never wanted a wall. pelosi made it crystal clean that democrats will never build one. they would rather have the country fall apart first. they made that decision. america's middle class is tying. the border goes unsecurity. the next three weeks the final chance that republicans will have in a long time to keep their promise on the wall. it wouldn't be easy, but it would be possible. democrats lost the house in 2010 and in the short window become republicans took back the house, barack obama got quite a few of his priorities into law. democrats repealed the military's ban on gay service members, affirmed a nuclear treaty and got michelle obama school lunch bill. the republicans could fund the wall. they don't want to. ricky is here from univision. thanks for coming on.

nancy pelosi has just informed us that a border wall is immoral. do you think all walls are immoral? what about the wall in israel? is that immoral? >> she also called it expensive and ineffective, which couldn't be more true. to tell you the truth, this is -- it's immoral to tell your audience that a wall will solve the immigration crisis. to use the wall as extortion to pass the dream act and legalize the lives of hundreds of thousands are kids that are as american as any other. i tell you -- >> tucker: they're not americans. >> use the wall as a way to get elected. >> tucker: wait. can't -- hold on. can't we disagree? does one of us have to be immoral? maybe disagree about the wall. why does one have to be a sinner? >> the immorality of the wall is a signal it sends to a country

that has been a good ally like mexico. it says we're for hate. we don't want others -- >> tucker: so -- >> that's what immoral -- >> wait a minute. >> tucker: i get it. where is univision head quarters? in florida or new york? >> we're in florida. >> tucker: if i got the day off and i sat at your building, would i show i.d. or use your office and -- >> you would also find a wall around my home. i'm sure you have one also, tucker. >> tucker: i don't, unfortunately. >> those are not for your neighbors and business partners, the person in charge of helping you out on saturday night with the kids for the nanny. there's dangerous criminals -- >> tucker: no, no. that's not true. hold on. no, no. the wall sick enough phis

ownership. so you guys own univision. you own your home. you decide who comes over. if you have a dinner party with your friends, that's great. if 12 strangers come in and eat your food, it's an invasion. the key factor is your choice. you decide who comes into your home because it's your home. same with your office at univision. same with our country, america, where i was born. we don't have a right to say who comes in or out? that's immoral? how? >> the u.s. has every right to security its borders. they have done that the past half a century. we spent in the last 12 over $100 billion on border security. this is a dangerous narrative, border security -- >> tucker: wait, wait. you're -- >> it's never been in our history. >> tucker: the obvious question, how did we get 22 million illegals in the border is so secure? if you're for border secure? why are you ago a wall? why is that so offensive and

immoral? maybe because it's effective? >> i didn't say sinner. the pope, the leader of the catholic church think it's immoral. >> tucker: is there a wall around the vatican? so the pope. there's a wall around the vatican. if i tried to get in the vatican without the pope's -- >> i never had an issue walking into st. peter's square. it's a line and everybody can go -- >> tucker: i've been there. there's a wall. >> you can't -- >> tucker: i've been there. >> anybody can walk into st. peter's square without an issue. >> tucker: is the square. >> right. that's the heart of the vatican. >> tucker: no. you can't walk through the vatican. i've been there. let's ben real. the truth is that people when they own something, when they're invested in it, you have -- you conceded this -- who comes in or out. you say it's immoral. i mean this with sincerity. i respect your answer what is

the difference -- a fence is moral but a wall is immoral? unpack that for me. >> it's a signal trying to send, the vision of hate -- >> tucker: hate? >> the u.s. as an isolationist country. that's not who we are and how this country was founded. >> tucker: the voters will determine that. why does a fence not send the same message? >> i'm sorry? >> tucker: a fence does not send the message of hate but a wall does? >> i think a wall is a message of division. it's a way of keeping others away. >> tucker: i don't understand. how is a fence difference from a wall? you're okay with a fence -- >> it's the same thing. i would argue that democrats, the republicans are both responsible for this idea of this dangerously misleading narrative of border security. many democrats voted in favor of the mile wall that is there.

this is not republican or democrat. the american people have been lied to. that is what is immoral about this. >> tucker: obama called for a fence. we have a fence along the tijuana border. you're okay with that. you're for border security. if the fence became a wall, it's immoral. tell me the difference. is there an aesthetic -- >> it's semantics. democrats voted for the 700-mile wall, fence, whatever you want to call it. >> tucker: so your not for fences either. >> we've seen that -- it's going to help the borders patrol do their job better but we can find -- >> tucker: do you think -- >> there's things less expensive than $25 billion. >> tucker: is the israeli wall immoral too? >> i'm sorry? >> tucker: she the israeli wall along the west bank immoral? >> that's a different circumstance. they were being threatened by a very real possibility of terrorists coming to their

country. you can prove that by building that wall. they've been able to do that considerably. it's a different circumstance. >> tucker: it's a good thing. there but not here. great to see you. thank you. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: antifa is ruling in effect the streets of portland, harassing whoever they like while the police stand aside in some cases. a journalist targeted by antifa joins us to explain how this happened after the break. ...i just got my ancestrydna results: 74% italian. ...and i found out that i'm from the big toe of that sexy italian boot! so this holiday season it's ancestrydna per tutti! order your kit now at ancestry.com i am all about living joyfully. the united explorer card hooks me up. getting more for getting away. traveling lighter. getting settled. rewarded. learn more at the explorer card dot com.

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than portland, oregon. police were told to stand down while antifa harassed ice agents. a journalist found themselves a target of that mob. >> get the [bleep] out of here. i don't feel safe with you here. get the [bleep] out. [inaudible] >> why should i be singled out? >> you're an asian giving in to white supremacy, [bleep]. >> everybody hates you. you're trash. get the [bleep] out of here. you support the detension of immigrants. get out of here. nobody in this city likes you. >> tucker: rich kids in black

masks. andy wrote a piece about his experience. it's called "what's the matter with portland." andy, what is the matter of portland? >> this is what happens when you have a city that is an idealogical with no counter points. so these ideas on the left sort of become radicalized in their own echo chambers. the city is very secular. so there's an erosion of traditional sources of purpose and meaning, for example, for religion. people are turning to political ideology. they want to be heros, but instead of dedicating their lives to service or joining the military, they are joining movements like antifa and going to the street to fight because they think they're in a battle with fascists. >> tucker: that's a deep and true analysis. portland is a deep city. there's nice people that work

there. not everybody in portland agrees with antifa. do they have a voice? >> i think the genius in antifa is in the name. they have put themselves in a position where it's very hard for left-leaning or left-wing politicians to criticize because then it sounds like you're against anti-fascist, which is a noble thing to be. so for a long time, portland residents were reluctant to be too critical of this movement, but as portland has been victimized through various riots and scenes of violence, more normal people are waking up and seeing that this movement is a little bit indiscriminate who they target. they target regular citizens trying to drive through, pass through, run a business. hopefully with what i'm doing,

trying to go to these protests as they happen and bring attention to it, more people will wake up and realize we're not dealing with a noble anti-fascist movement. we're dealing with anti-government, anti-american revolutionary movement that is also willing to use violence. >> tucker: yeah. a movement that says they're against white privilege but privileged white kids. andy, be careful. you can get hurt. you're a brave man. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for bringing a tension to this. >> tucker: thank you. top democrats say the united states must readopt the paris climate accord. paris tried that and you're looking now at the screen of what happened when they did. that's after the break. so a tree falls on your brand-new car and totals it.

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>> tucker: there's massive riots in paris right now. they may topple the french government. mostly ignored in this country. we're paying attention to it because they tell us a lot about the down side of the elites forcing ordinary people to bear the entire burden of fighting climate change. our betters are concerned about climate change, but they don't want to give up their planes. they want you to pay more at the pump. this is not a workable long-term approach, but elites have refeeted to rethink it. they're doubling down. in a recent statement, the senate minority leader, chuck schumer said there's no infrastructure deal with the trump administration until and unless the u.s. rejoins the paris climate accord. the one that is causing riots in paris.

josh joins us. thanks for coming on. >> always a pleasure. >> tucker: thank you. neither of us is a climate scientist. i'll concede for the purposes of this that like everything you say is true. i'm interested in what the solution is. >> i'm all for that. >> tucker: i'm interested. i notice that the solutions always entail normal people paying a lot more for the necessities of life. why is it never jeff bezos footing the bill or closing the carried interest loop hole and letting them pay the bill? it's normal people. why? >> tucker, we're going to agree about something for the first time ever, this is amazing. i couldn't agree with you more. what is happening in france is they're forcing working class people to pay the burden of a certain policy change. this policy needs to change. we need to get off of fossil fuels right away. we see all of these signs, wild

fires in california, huge hurricanes, all of these things happening because of climate change. you're right. major corporations, 100 major corporations that are responsible for most of the emissions on the planet. those are the people that should be footing the bill. now, if you were to listen to something like emanuel macron or barack obama or if neo-liberals, you see them fanned out among the population rather than big oil. what is different right now is you have something called the green new deal. the green new deal being popularized by alexandra ocasio cortez and bernie sanders -- >> tucker: so you say -- >> for rich people, tightening the belts of the working class. >> tucker: you're right there. by the way, bernie sanders just spent $300,000 flying in a

private plane. his discredited -- >> i don't agree with that. i saw bernie at a gathering -- >> tucker: let's be real. there's a level of hypocrisy that takes you off the table and he's in that category. >> he's in the middle seat -- >> tucker: he flies private actually. i know you like bernie but unless the story was lying, a news story that he spent hundreds of thousands on private air travel. you're not a climate activist if you're flying private. would the green new deal, i don't know if details, would it raise energy prices for middle class people? that's the key question. >> no. when you deploy solar and wind, you create millions upon millions of jobs. 24 million jobs in the renewable energy -- >> tucker: we don't know. that's a guess. >> 24 million new jobs. we do know. we can predict -- >> tucker: come on, son. wake up. >> no, no, no.

wait. >> tucker: i've been in d.c. too long. don't tell me how many jobs are going to be created. >> let me finish -- you asked the question and i'm answering it. the question is that solar and wind are cheaper for electricity than fossil fuel. that is a fact. >> tucker: what about for air travel? honestly. how is bernie going to fly -- >> air travel is not what we're talking about right now. we're talking about raising gas prices, we're talking about raising the basic prices for the working and the poor people. that, a green new deal, would help people enormously. >> tucker: i don't believe with what you're saying -- >> i have seen people getting poisoned by the fracking industry -- >> tucker: we're out of time. >> and americans need a clean deal right now. >> tucker: we're out of time. appreciate it. appreciate it. we'll be back with more. let's be honest. every insurance company tells you they can save you money.

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♪ >> the mueller memos are out paul manafort accused of lying to investigators. michael cohen will spend significant time in prison. president trump tweeted totally clears the president. thank you. >> this special counsel will blur the line between crimes and sins designed to put the president in bad light. >> a lot of noise. a lot of drama but no substance in terms of the president of the united states. >> former fbi director james comey testified in a closed door congressional hearing about alleged anti-trump bias in the justice department. >> we are talking again about hillary clinton's emails for heaven's sake i'm not sure we need to do this at all. >> the ninth circuitny