here's the question you have to ask yourself. are you happy that somebody is willing to fight to keep their promises? i personally find it refreshing. if you don't like the combative style but it gets us tax cuts, the end of bureaucracy, conservative justices and you'll get as a border wall. that's all the time we have left but let no

>> randy: this story is completely whaco.

they are having an overseas vacation retreat that bans white people. the debate that can only be described as a new form of voluntary segregation. first "guardians of the fallacy. that's the focus of the tonight's angle. the political media establishment has been at war and a cold war with donald trump for three years now. he represented everything they hate. not just his america's first policy but it threatened to crash their exclusive club. as it comes to a head, the mode ya feel well positioned to rehash their image to galaxy-saving superheros. like batman or aquaman, they decided to try a franchise

reboot. it comes courtesy of "time" magazine person of the year. >> it become appear that abuse is the common thread from russia to riyadh and silicon valley. we have chosen to feature poem who have cut at the truth. >> law -- laura: they kept it inside the family and named a group of journalist with the understated titles the guardians and the war on truth. it includes jamal cashogie and members of the staff that a shooter opened fire on their

offices. targeting reporters just because they are doing their job is despeckable -- despicable. to his credit and professionalism, "capitol gazette" editor expressed unthesely. he said this is the first sit-down interview he had done since the june attack. good for him. later in the show we'll reveal whom we would have picked for persons of the year. stay with us for that. it is going to be a lot of fun. by the way, "time" isn't the only aging outfit trying to resurrect its representation. retired senators are claiming the moral and intellectual superiority. rising from the political dead, they promised that their wisdom will save us from trump. you got to read between the lines.

all you need to know was that it was the brain child of chuck hagel and chris dodd. we are on the eve of the conclusion of the special council of robert f. mueller investigation and the commencement of the investigations of the president and administration. we urge current and future senators to be steadfast and zealous guardians of the democracy. well, kind of high-minded malarkey signifying nothing. i will salute chuck's military service, but that doesn't give him immunity from thoughts that are brain dead. what was it when we needed guardians of the rule of law and transparency during the obama years? fast and furious, benghazi, the

clinton e-mail cover up, the horrors at the va, and companies like solyndra to name a few. where were they when we needed guardians against the border. and where were they when we needed guardians against activist judges that reached far beyond their article iii are. trump isn't perfect. none of us are, none of us is to be grammatically correct. all of the senators who signed that combined, the media, and failed politicos are guardians. the president was newly elected and entering the first year of the term. they are still in denial. did you notes that they've given

up on substantive debate on any of the issues that trump is tackling. instead they offered personal invectives to pragmatic solutions. >> the president has very little in the way of an attention span. the president is undisciplined. >> secretary called him an fing morning -- moron. that's the highest rank. that's achievable. >> he gets bored within 15 seconds. >> he doesn't want information. >> laura: if he's that uninformed, how did he beat all you. they have failed to raise the standard of living or their culture. folks aren't mad because they enjoy being mad. they are mad because politicians

have screwed things up so badly across the board. but the guardians of the old order feel empowered by trump's legal woes, and a new democrat majority in the house. >> we've come in here with the first branch of government. article i, the legislative branch for coming in good faith to negotiate with you about how we can keep the government open. >> we are going to keep it open. if we don't have border security. it is the same border. >> you are bragging about what has been done. we want to do the same thing last year this year. if it is good then, it is good now. it won't shut down the government. >> let's debate in private. okay. let's debate in private. >> laura: then the media guardians jumped in with their questions.

>> what does it mean to have border security? >> we need border security. the wall is a part of border security. >> we came in here in good faith. we are entering into this kind of discussion in the public view. >> but is not bad, nancy. it is called transparency. >> we shouldn't shut down the government over a dispute. you want to shut it down -- >> last time, chuck, you shut it down. >> no, no, no. >> if we don't get what we want whether it is through you or military or through anything that you want to call, i will shutdown the government. i am proud, i'll tell you what, i am proud to shutdown the government for border security, chuck. >> laura: it is amazing to watch the whole thing play out. warnings that a partial government shutdown will damage him. the president is doing what the retired senators claim to want. he's standing on principle by acting on the urgent need to

preserve the sovereignty and security of our country. by the way, notice what pelosi said several times during that very fiery exchange. >> the point is that their equities to be weighed. we're here to have a conversation in a fair way. >> we will do it immediately. we will get it passed very easily in the house. >> let us have our conversation. then we can meet with the press again. >> laura: wait a second. i thought the liberals were all about transparency and protecting the guardians of the truth. the moment the guardians report on the conversations, nancy wants them shooed out of the room. this shows why trump has confounded the establishment. he pulls the veil back alonging the american people to see how unresponsible and how petty the democrats have become.

because an agreement on wall funding may give trump a partial victory, they refuse to budge even if the daca kids get a path to citizenship, even though they would have gotten that last february. guess what? the democrats don't care. score settling and preventing trump from declaring victory. and that's the angle. joining me now author of the new piece "times failing person of the year list: a product of cultural decline." contributor editor and former aide to president reagan. let's start with your thoughts on the failure of the media and democrats. we can't seem to grasp the current moments. >> they love slapping themselves on the back. "the time" magazine cover is

more of them slapping themselves on the back and saying we are the people that you should all aspire to and listen to. you remember when i think it is the hillary clinton e-mails came out and they said you are not supposed to read this. we'll filter this for you. you just listen to what we say. the same thing happening today. imagine the oval office and it was republicans sitting there. would the press have gone to such great extent. what an absolute mania happened today in the oval office. this is unbelievable. they wouldn't have done it. remember obama used to kick people out of press conferences too. for me the two things couldn't have timed themselves better together today. "time" magazine and what we saw unfound in the oval office. >> laura: here are the persons

of the year. you had mueller, merkle, putin, blasey ford. it is a little self-serving. it is part of the bubble of the media and politics. i try not to be. i'm probably part of the problem. but i like you. so that's okay. we like each other. definitely what we want to talk about late at night. >> i'm going to shock rahim and say i don't often agree with things in "the daily caller" however i think bob mueller

would have an excellent choice. we have a memo that named the president as a coconspirator. we had 33 indicts around the world. we had senior white house staff that have been convicted. that's incredible. >> laura: they are supposed to be the guardians of the truth. name one place that says that. >> working with cohen. >> laura: coconspirator. you are a little ahead of yourself. >> he has changed the world. >> laura: journalist are self-serving. yeah. >> put it this way, the best have impacted the world. >> laura: all right. when they gave it to trump, jeffrey, we don't want to spend all of our time on this. this is back in 2016. he shocked the world by winning the presidency.

they had to give it to him. you know they hated to give it to him. for remining america that the truth feeds on demagoguery and the truth with those who speak it. the picture of trump is the menacing figure on the wing nut chair turning around. right down to the photo they select. it is so obvious. >> my favorite is that in 2008 when president obama was elected and selected as person of the year, i'm not kidding you, they compared him to obi wan konobi. he is the president of the united states of america and demagogue and all of this. this is why "time" magazine has been sold three times, gotten rid of by the parent company, and sold it a few months after they got it. i mean your audience is going down. right.

right. >> laura: the magazines loving doing lists. it is lazy girl -- okay. we have to move to pelosi. pelosi reacted after the oval office which you couldn't take your eyes off because it was wild today. she comes off and makes the comment about why she was concerned about the transparent 11 of it all. let's watch. >> you know who is more productive behind the scenes. i hear some of the reporters saying -- fox reporters saying why didn't we want transparency in the discussion. we didn't want to contradict the president when he was putting forth figures that had no reality to him. no basis and fact. >> laura: no basis and fact? donald trump has wanted a wall for more than three years. he's arguing and fighting for the wall. i guess he's referring when he said certain sectors have less immigration.

i'm not sure if that was accurate. i haven't gotten a read on that. she's that shy about criticizing him ever in public. >> for somebody who makes her living by criticizing this president, you think she would want every camera in the room. if she's certain he's saying false things, set all of the camera and everybody to report on it. take it back from politics and a companying stand point, which is what she's doing here, you would want that if you believe you are in the right. you don't if you don't believe you are in the right. i think she gets that. >> laura: why are democrats always against -- a lot of republicans were against the back room deal. a smoke-filled room where all of the decisions are made. all of the people say this is how you dumb little people are going to live. we made the decisions. this cameras come in, we see

what they say. when they are nervous. you see the body language of schumer. i loved it from beginning to end. >> i don't know with the british accent, but i'm agreeing with you. >> we're not making for good television. i'll tell you this, no disrespect to nancy pelosi or chuck schumer, did you notice what was missing? the people running the congress, mitch mcconnell and paul ryan. they are running the lame duck congress. they have nothing to do with the final deal. you need to have all of the leaders there. that's why it was such good television. >> laura: admit it, wasn't it brilliant for trump to call them in? >> the shutdown is still going to be on laura. >> laura: we're getting to the politics of the shutdown. i think this was classic trump taking control of the narrative. it wasn't all clean and perfect.

believe me. a couple little things he might have said differently. he was ungauged -- engaged. we're doing this. >> that's exactly right. if you notice, you couldn't help but notice nancy pelosi's little dig -- she said a reporter, then she says a fox reporter. heaven forbid anybody commit journalism in the oval office. >> laura: again we're getting back to my angle. the guardians of the truth. i want to play a little snippet from what he said today. >> we have just seen a perfect example of how not to govern the country, and to have that kind of dispout and do it openly before the press at a time when they really do need to sit down and see if there's a way to work

out a deal here. but to confront each other that way and to have everybody yelling at one another, i think has just sent a terrible message to the american people about how our democracy functions in washington. >> laura: does he know the history? democracy -- they were dueling -- people are arguing at the dinner table. we're going to survive the oval office -- >> don't you think -- forget about results. he shuts down the government. is that a good result? >> laura: i think. >> the majority of the americans that do the polling seem to disagree. >> laura: you heard them last time. >> you say they just lost the house. >> laura: the shutdown didn't

hurt the house. >> not everyone has to agree. >> the man was elected on the goal. he's going to do it. >> laura: it has to be a wall. it can't be see through drones. we've got to go. sorry about that. since "time" magazine couldn't pick a satisfying person, we'll do that later.

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>> laura: this is a fox news alert fox news alert. another terror attack on the christmas market in europe. this time near the city of strasberg friends and officials they're confirming that three people were killed and another e terrorists. gun fire into the holiday crowd and then took off. french authorities confirming the suspect previously known to authorities i have this hour, he is still outstanding. we will update you on any developments as they come to us, very disturbing news out of france tonight. >> that is not worth anything. you should not have a shutdown. you have the white house shutdown. you have the white house. you have the senate. you have the house of representatives. you have the votes. you should pass it. >> i can't get it passed in the house if it is not going to pass in the senate. i don't want to waste time.

>> the fact is you can get it started that way. >> the house we can get past easily. we do. the problem is the senate. we need ten democrats to vote. they won't vote. >> laura: pelosi challenge the president and republicans in the house. they might call her bluff. house republicans said late today they will try to pass a $5 billion funding bill for the wall. this would be a stunning rebuke of nancy pelosi. my question is would a shutdown put pressure on schumer to cough up the democratic votes needed to avoid a filibuster? for answers we are joined by house majority whip steve scalise and former acting head of i.c.e. and fox news contributor tom homan. congressman, was this part of a coordinated plan? was it planned out or was that the president shooting from the hip on his own instincts? >> this is the president saying i'm going to call you on your bluff. you want to talk about shutting down the government. you want to talk about blocking border security. i'm going to bring you to the white house and lay out exactly

why we need to secure the border and frankly president trump laid out a lot of real important specific details of why it's important that we secure the border. the illegal crossings that happen every single day. ten known terrorists according to homeland security on average they come across our border. every day. and the caravan, over 600 convicted criminals that are part of the caravan. we need to secure the border. president trump ran on securing the border. it's time to back him up on that. >> laura: tom, you've been in the fight and in the thick of it for so long. i frankly, i send this on radio this morning, i cannot believe we are here. this is a crisis at our southern border. toxic environment on mass, health crisis, humanitarian. little kids' lives are being endangered down there. human trafficking, drugs, guns, all the rest, gang activity. not turbo that's just getting started. >> i don't care if republican or democrat, there is no downside on securing our border. it means less illegal

immigration that means you don't bankroll an organization that kills her officers. i don't see the downside. i wish trump would have asked schumer on camera you voted for the 2006 barrier. what changed? >> laura: kellyanne conway made that point earlier. obama, all these guys spoke passionately about the need to have this fence but now trump says it's a wall and no, no, we only have to give a pittance of the money. jackie speier spoke out today. >> set up that opportunity to test out his theory that he has the boats. i don't think he has the votes in the house. he's acting like he's a cornered animal and he lashes out. that's not the description of any president i want in charge of our country. >> laura: okay. back to the point i made in the last segment. rather than offer a substantive

menu of solutions here, it's personal invective. it's trump is this. trump is that. it's what she said. there is no solution. they're not going to argue about how we are going to do a better or we have a plan for reforming asylum laws. it is trump is a bad person. is she right? do you have the votes? >> there is strong support in the house. >> laura: do you have the votes? what does that mean? do you have the votes for the wall? >> if the president has $5 billion is what i need and ideally you try to get an agreement with the senate and that means you have to have some democrats as part of that agreement, but if not, we can pass in the house. we've been trying to get an agreement with the senate because ultimately to get the bill to the president's desk has been the objective, not just to pass a bill in the house but ultimately we can pass a bill in the house. the president is saying i will at least meet with senate democrats and house democrats to see if we can get an agreement. the president is trying to get an agreement to solve the problem.

i think what you are saying now and on today it was on display in the white house, a washington democrats want open borders more than they want -- >> laura: they don't want to give him a win. isn't that a big part of this? he could have solved this last january and february during the other many shutdown when the president said give me chain migration cuts, the visa lottery. >> chuck schumer initially agreed to all those things and then the radical left is the one who went and blew the whole deal up. >> laura: the president also said something about the wall and its current state that made me curious. let's watch. >> a lot of wall has been billed. we don't talk about that. but we might as well start because it's being built right now, big sections of wall. we will continue that. >> laura: i must have missed the wall being built. what wall? where's being built? >> i think what he means is they are upgrading certain parts. >> laura: that's not a wall.

stop saying it's a wall. i know it's bad because he made the promise but they are not building the wall. so you've got to stop saying that. it undercuts -- he was great. i thought he was great in the oval office. >> there is about 100 miles of wall being built but that's not anywhere near where we need to go to get this job done. so there is a small start but there's a lot more work. >> laura: that's not a lot of the wall. it's not a wall. >> is not the wall border patrol wanted. >> laura: is someone that's telling them that. >> the wall they want is the one they need and the one that should be funded. >> they also want the technology and the tools to keep our border patrol agents. you've seen this and you've highlighted. our border patrol agents are under attack by a lot of the criminals in this caravan. we need the tools to keep our border patrol agent safe for keeping america safe. >> laura: i still say if we don't reform those asylum laws, people pouring in. >> every single member of the

caravan was offered asylum by mexico and work permits by mexico when they turned it down. >> laura: got to keep the pressure on the democrats. they are on the wrong side of this. >> american people want border security. >> you hit the nail on the head when he said it's an anti-trump agenda. you'll schumer and pelosi, both support sanctuary policies and their state so they want to say tory policy to keep the illegal he leans in they don't want to fund the wall to keep him out. two of the worst people in the oval office even talking about border security. they put their political futures out of this country security which is our number one responsibility. shame on them. >> laura: california and new york. >> they entice people to come here illegally. >> laura: he gives them all the ideas, whenever they want. they get their ids and they get the ability to work. >> come to york or california. >> laura: demonize i.c.e. guardians of the galaxy. i don't think so. great to see you. coming up, what we want to a

deep hatred at the root of the women's march. there is merge coming up soon. we have an expose that looks into their shocking origins and the democrats that it puts at risk. don't miss this. >> i know we will rise to the challenge, and i know we will keep fighting no matter

>> this is the moment you will remember when women stood strong and stood firm. >> we are tired as women of being relegated to simply being thought of as a particular constituency or demographic. let's buckle in because it's going to be a bumpy ride. >> laura: well, those two suppose a democratic rock stars have become some of the more powerful advocates of the radical group known as the women's march. some new details on how that

group was started. however, we may have been rethinking their association per trace gallagher's life on the west coast newsroom with a shocking origins story of the group. trace. >> the dichotomy here is -- part of its mission statement the women's march says it's committed to finding anti-semitism and yet two of its leaders and most public figures, tamika mallory and carmen perez, have praised nation of islam leader and known anti-semite was farrakhan. mallory has called him the greatest of all time and was in attendance this year at farrakhan's annual address where he gave tamika mallory a shout out and then proceeded to give a speech replete with anti-semitic and homophobic remarks. the women's march says farrakhan's statements don't align with the group's principles and mallory's presence at his annual address was bad judgment. yet perez and malory have disavowed his comments, and now tablet magazine is reporting that during the women's march

first meeting back in november of 2016, both mallory and perez endorsed an infamous and debunked anti-semitic trope that jews exploited black and brown people and were proven to be leaders of the american trade. the controversy is also gaining notice because the women's march has become, as you noted, powerful organization that has been endorsed by potential 2020 presidential candidates like california democratic senator kamala harris and new york democratic senator kirsten gillibrand. both of whom spoke at the women's march prerally in january 2017. it's also worth noting that despite allegations of anti-semitism among some leaders, ben cohen and jerry greenfield, the jewish founders of ben & jerry's ice cream, are standing by their partnership with women's march. even marking the partnership with a brand-new flavor. pecan resist.

laura. >> laura: trace, thanks so much. joining me as ann coulter, conservative commentator. and ladonna jones. democratic state rep in georgia and criminal defense attorney. all right, and, why aren't gill brand and kamala harris and all the other female democratic leaders who back to this group, why aren't they being pressed by any members of the media anytime a step in front of a microphone given the connection between the nation of islam leader farrakhan in this group. there march, you and i should go, it's january 19. coming up. >> totally. i will be there. laura, i thing you know the answer that question. i think you're going to be seeing a lot of these disputes in the democratic party base because they all hate one another. i mean, you have the muslims and the jews and the various exotic sexual groups in the black church ladies with the college queers.

the only thing that keeps the democratic base together is for them to keep focusing on white men of the ones keeping you down. you must hate white men. it's the one thing they all have in common. so as it becomes increasingly clear that we are not going to get a wall or trumpet filling his immigration policies, the one thing we have to look forward in the new country is ginning up all these hatred and the democratic base. speedy one of the things that was written about the group and this is a new tablet piece. this was by mercy morgan field comments about, she's the d.c. coordinator of the march, said this. bob bland called me secretly and said mercy, they've been in bed with the nation of islam since day one. they do all of our security. is that the group you want doing your security, given the most hateful anti-semitic comments made over the years by farrakha

farrakhan? calling jews termites most recently in any number of assorted sordid things he's said. >> you know, last time i checked, it's not common. as for the religious preferences of the people who are protecting you. when there are those who are threatening your life to play because you are standing up for a woman's right to vote, a woman's right to equal pay. this is a silly nonstarter by conservatives trying to split a movement they know is externally powerful. they are afraid of this next march coming up because they know it will get even more women, progressive women, into office just like you did in this past election. you guys should come out. you might learn a thing or two. >> laura: we are not the ones making a big deal out of it. i think some of the founders of the march themselves are very concerned about this anti-semitic change within the organization. i think they want the march to be successful, and i don't blame them. they put together an amazing array of people with a huge turnout. but if the shoe were on the other foot and it was a bunch of

conservatives getting together and all of a sudden the security for the group was like some david duke type guy, you guys would be rightly saying what are you doing? why are you having them do the security? i don't think we would get away, and, with saying they are doing security. we don't ask their political views. >> you don't have to hypothesize it, there's this group the proud boys. they have defended me all over america and by the way, they are quite multiethnic. i don't ask whether religion is. they are attached by being accused of being a group of white men. like i say, that's the only thing that keeps the democratic base together. they keep painting white men. even though the proud boys are not only white men. what are they being attacked for? for defending people like me. >> laura: there's another piece, an article and how will read it. it was there that perez and mallory allegedly first assertee a special collective

responsibility as exploiters of black and brown people. and even, according to a secondhand source, claimed jews were proven to have been leaders of the american trade." so this is some of the conspiracy theories at the 2016 inaugural women's march meeting. are you concerned about any of that? >> not even remotely concerned. the organizers have all, and it was quoted in the tablet article, they have denied that this event took place. this, again, as just an attempt to try to slow down the movement that conservatives are really afraid of. listen, if you know anything about the women's march or if you look at their website, you see that the entire purpose is intersection analogy. it's about inclusiveness. it's about bringing in people of all races, all genders and all religions to stand up for a common purpose which is american women. i can get why conservatives are concerned because they know there's a tie that binds us as

american, worried about our children in the economy. it's one of those things you can't split up. >> laura: we just heard kamala harris said she was sick of being treated as a demographic group in that sound bite we bumped in with but that seems like what the women's march is kind of doing to itself. i don't think there were a lot of pro-life democratic women at the march. i don't think so. i don't think i saw many of them showcase. it was more than a celebrity screaming about how they wanted to blow off house. was it diverse? what do you mean diverse? diverse in what way? not intellectual diversity. >> in los angeles, you have mexicans and blacks fighting like banshees. in new york, it's puerto ricans against the dominicans. the idea that you can step forward and say we are for unity and tolerance, no. like i said, this will be the one fun we will have the new country. the great accomplishments of the women's march will be selling a lot of t-shirts. >> laura: we will see what happens. >> we know in 2010 there was a

record number turnout of women who got to the democratic party. to say that there were all white men who were elected. diversity is part of the story. >> running your partyware is only about 20% of the democratic voters are white men but wow, look at the leadership. look at all the democrats running. your nominee is probably going to be beto o'rourke. there are only a few women even running. white men run your party. if you have anyone to complain to, if the democratic party. >> laura: come on, bernie sanders and joe biden are very diverse. not fair at all. i think the women's march, i don't agree with them but they did turn a lot of people on the republicans of to take a page out of some of the organizing of the democrats. i appreciate the conversation, thanks so much. are we witnessing a 20% reversion of segregation? seriously. wait until you hear about a vacation promotion that bans people from participating based

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>> laura: do you know there's something about booming tourism sector focused solely on black people who don't want to be around white people? it's not a joke.

vice news traveled one of the resorts catering to these customers who say it's their only way to escape racism in the united states. watch. >> the breath then as a reminder that we are safe. >> we needed a safe space that was outside the united states. to hold certain conversations. >> would having white people on the true brunette? >> i don't think we would be as open and as honest as we are with the group we are in now. >> are looking for ways, coping mechanisms, you know, and ways to take care of ourselves. because we are not on the agenda. >> if you like white people shouldn't even have passports, because they've done enough -- especially white americans. leave them in the united states. they do not need to come here. they need to stay in the united states. >> let us have our space. let us have our room. go hang out with other white

people. we are okay. you've done enough damage. >> laura: my breath is taken away. that woman you just heard is andrea x. she is the founder of the women of color retreat in costa rica that she went on to say that she's not doing this as a type of reverse racism. really? here to debate this, horace cooper and democratic strategist antjuan seawright. horace, if you replace white with any other group, what do you think the reaction would be? i think we are the only ones doing this on cable news which i can't believe. i saw this and i almost fell over. you can't really be serious. now our self segregating, which people can do whatever they want the dental claim that you are all tolerance. >> this is worse than that. this actually is bigotry. this actually is racism. look, what we are talking about is people using justified language in their own minds for saying it's okay not to associate with them or their

kind. we don't want to travel with them. we don't want them to be able to fly. >> laura: they should stay in the united states, i love that. that was a good one. >> any time that my grandparents would've heard phrases like that, we know what they meant and what they were trying to express. it was separatism. it was you stay over. and we as a nation have come together to recognize that that kind of bigotry and that kind of ignorance shouldn't be welcomed. the last thing i wanted to say,, and that is that we would be seeing boycotts. we would be seeing all -- heads exploding. if expedia allowed you to purchase your whites only cruise, do you understand how seriously the left would take it? >> laura: i want to play something for you. this is more from the retreat cofounder. and this is from again from vice

news. do we have it? let's listen. >> what would you say to someone who says it sounds like paradise for black people. motivated by the same hate ovoid people who who want to create white nations and white spaces. >> i would say doesn't have anything to do with them. this is about us and our community. >> laura: your thoughts. it's not about racism. >> i don't necessarily agree with the approach and how it was couched. maybe some of her language use. but let's be honest. these things happen. they just may not always be broadcast. the truth of the matter is then again i'm not agreeing with their tactic and what it is, but the truth of the matter is boys have trips all the time in which girls are not allowed. corporations go on retreats et cetera were certain groups are not allowed, where they have extras them. >> laura: corporate? whites only corporations? >> no, i am saying corporate retreats. >> laura: they don't bring the

competition to their retreat. >> corporate retreats happen when it shows them in their group. >> laura: the leadership of the company. that's not racially exclusive. >> i'm not justifying what she did. i'm saying these exclusive trips happen. again, i think it's wrong. >> laura: look, look, the thing i wanted to get out and i guess we don't have this particular sound bite, but she said every time a have a conversation with white people, just pick up on certain things that they say. i pick up on the micro aggressions, the passive aggressiveness. i pick up on it, so i decided one day just to eliminate white people for my personal life. and ever since then, my life has been way more breezy. that's the founder of this organization. >> it feeds into this narrative and it gives fuel to the fire of racism and hate and bigotry in all the things that divide us in this country. i fundamentally do not agree. >> laura: you not like this, you wouldn't go on this. this is where you just got to say this is ridiculous. >> i'm here with you, laura. >> laura: horace, i think there's something in this that,

we are at a point where we are supposed to be, everyone is like be cool. different races, different backgrounds, different ethnicities. try to come together. everyone wants to have a solution to something but instead it's you are over there and i'm here. i thought separate but equal wasn't okay. i thought it had to be together. thurgood marshall. >> that's the point. again, imagine what if a group of fraternity members all white, all-male, said they were just going to regularly -- >> let's not -- >> let's see what would happen if someone came out on the news, vice news ran a story about this. those individuals will lose their job. they would lose their jobs, their livelihoods would be changed. >> laura: i am happy to go on vacation with both of you any time, as long as your wives are

okay. altogether. >> not exclusive. >> laura: inclusive. great idea. great to have you on. coming up, since time routinely disappoints with their pick of person of the year, we reveal "the ingraham angle"'s list next. a hint: ..

's pay to "time" magazine, people of the year. we decided >> to heck with time magazine persons of the year. we decided to highlight an ingrown angle person of the year. it is a tie. the first are the heroic first responders who risked life and limb to respond to the tragic and devastating paradise fire in california. >> one person left. >> are they coming for us?

>> yes! >> amazing. the second are the border agents who despite being constantly maligned go about doing their job keeping this country safe. we spoke to chief rodney scott of san diego sector in june. >> misinformation is going out. i am trying to be polite. it is very frustrating and extremely insulting. a lot of it is flat out lies. >> congratulations to our agents and first responders always putting serving others above self and the recipients of the first ever ingrown angle persons of the year award. that is all-time we have to make, shannon bream and the fox news at night team take it from here. shannon: thank you very much, fox news alert, drawing a redline over border security, the president sets up the countdown for a possible government shutdown in