>> sandra: i'll be right here. i think people have had enough of us. that's enough for us here in ""america's newsroom"." anything else? >> i will be 100% tomorrow. will you? >> sandra: [laughs] "outnumbered" starts now. >> melissa: fox news alert, president trump many of the white house with secretary of state mike pompeo with the scent of preparing to vote on pulling some u.s. military support for saudi arabia. as the fallout continues over the killing of "washington post" columnist jamarcus shoji this is "outnumbered," and i'm most of francis. here today is fox news contributor lisa boothe, town hall editor and fox news contributor katie pavlich, former director of strategic medications for the hillary clinton campaign, adrienne elrod. and joining us on the couch today, david webb. host of "the david webb show" on sirius xm patriot reality check on fox nation. and, a fox news contributor. you add something else your

title every time you come on. do you sleep? [laughter] what's the deal? >> david: that's up for debate, with a sleep or not. i have to tell you, it's fine. it's reality check like you as you hear right here on the couch on all kinds of issues. >> lisa: there we go. >> melissa: let's get to it. this morning, secretary of state pompeo and defense secretary james mattis briefing house numbers on the murder of jamaal khashoggi. in the next hour, they are said to consider amendments to a bill that would end u.s. support of the study-led war against the reigning-backed rebels in yemen. president trump has condemned the killing of khashoggi, but he is standing by the saudi crown prince. in the meantime, independent senator bernie sanders, a sponsor of the senate resolution under consideration, says the u.s. should not be involved in the yemen civil war. here he is on special report last night. >> what's going on in yemen now,

is the worst humanitarian disaster facing this planet. we've got to do everything in our power. we have the power to bring the saudis together to end the incredible destruction which is taking place. >> melissa: mike emanuel is live on capitol hill with more. mike? >> melissa, good afternoon to you. we expect votes on the senate floor much of this afternoon on that resolution and amendments related to the saudi-yemen matter. south carolina republican senator lindsey graham is being very blunt about the khashoggi murder. >> do you really want to transfer your most advanced technology to somebody who thinks it's okay to lure a journalist to a consulate in turkey, if you are a saudi, chop him up, and think you're going to get away with it? to those who want a normal military-2 mag-military relationship with saudi arabia, cap man

what's happening is not normal. >> jim mattis and mike pompeo were here first thing was my two brief house lawmakers on the murder. they say it's time to take a closer look at the u.s. relationship with the kingdom. >> i think they need to rethink this extraordinary reliance that has been placed on the saudi arabians. it's really my intention next year, throughout committee, to do a deep dive on saudi arabia, on the war in yemen, on the saudi role in the peace process. >> a key foreign policy republican in the house says that some lawmakers are using this as an opportunity to go after president trump's foreign policy, accusing the president's critics of selective outrage. >> there's half a million people dead in syria. not near that in yemen. yemen is a tragedy come up with their people now on the other side of the aisle speaking up way more about khashoggi and yemen then they ever have about syria.

it's important in these issues and in these discussions to be rational and reasonable while still holding true to our principles. >> a huge issue today on both sides of the capital, house lawmakers getting their close-door briefing and the senate voting to express its sadness with saudi behavior. >> melissa: mike emanuel, thank you so much for that. david webb, i will bring it up to you. democrats think that there is tremendous reliance on saudi arabia? i don't see that. we aren't relying on them for energy. maybe a partnership in the middle east, but reliance? >> david: first of all, i thought they were going to say jeff flake when he said bernie sanders. now i find it funny and hypocritical that bernie sanders gives a you know what about yemen. they don't care about libya, they don't care about sub-saharan africa, they don't care about any of that. if if you are a politician -- i don't care if you are a republican or a democrat watching this -- ignore them. trump is not wrong. khashoggi is one incident. it's tragic and it's terrible. on the other hand, do you throw

out a global need and an occasional important partnership in the middle east over one person? i know that's tough for people to swallow, but the reality is, we don't need a nuclear arms race in the middle east. saudis will and gauge if iran goes. syria, another important aspect of this. why not deal with that issue? it's much more complex. it is puerile to think that the senators, grandma or shift, to think that's how it works. >> melissa: it's not just that. it's an example of how they treat human rights in the kingdom. >> adrienne: i do agree with you that the difficult situation that we are facing here is that saudi arabia is a key ally of ours in the middle east, the united states. an occasional partner that we need to work on especially national security issues to protect our own security with. at the same time, the way that president trump has handled the death of jamal khashoggi, who by

the way was the united states -- he lives in the united states. >> he wasn't an american. the >> adrienne: but still, he lived in the united states. the fact that he has sided with the prince, that's where we have to -- he could actually use this as leverage to have a little bit more play with saudi arabia. >> katie: let me get in here because they want to give some perspective on where we are with saudi arabia and iran. a year ago tomorrow, nikki haley gave a big presentation to reporters in front of an iranian missile from yemen into saudi arabia at the riyadh airport. the goal was to hit civilians. they have since fired a number of these missiles, and the u.n. has acknowledged that these weapons are coming from iran. here is the issue -- do we want a hezbollah front on the border of yemen and saudi arabia? iran is preparing for a regional war. they've done in lebanon, they've done in syria, they are doing in iraq, they are doing it in yemen. this is not about the civil war

in yemen. this is about the war that iran is planning to take on in the middle east against our allies, against u.s. interests, against israel. the bottom line is, bernie sanders and all these politicians on capitol hill can say that the need to come to give it. they are not interested in solution. they want power. they want control. they want control of the human border because they have this regional goal of getting hezbollah-like funds in any part of the middle east that they can. by the way, has blob before 9/11 was the number one -- the number one terrorist organization responsible for murders of americans. to say this isn't in our interest -- it actually has. to give up that strategic partnership over one person who was not an american citizen is insane. >> melissa: not all republicans are on this side. here's what tom reed had to say. >> i think given the nature of the circumstances it would be appropriate to impose those types of sanctions.

i would split with our party, if you would, in order -- i think there is many republicans as well as democrats that would agree. some type of penalty needs to be imposed. >> lisa: there are couple things here. to adrienne's point, i think it's rich that they are trying to reset relationships with the world's largest sponsor of state terrorism pay that's a little hypocritical in my book. regarding what's going on a capitol hill, the house already settled this resolution. essentially, nothing is going to move forward until next to congress. personally, i think a lot of this will subside by then. ultimately -- the objective of congress in the senate right now is to try to deter president trump, his viewpoint of saudi arabia doesn't look like that's going happen. president trump has been resolute in their relationship with saudi arabia and standing beside them and moving that relationship forward. ultimately, i think this will end up subsiding." deter the president and his decision-making. >> david: you have to look at

this in the world of where it actually exists, not in the political pundit which is what you get out of d.c. we have a complex situation in the middle east. we talk about iran's hegemonic goals and aspirations. look at the role that they play, saudi arabia, geographically, financially, and militarily prayed there a foothold in the middle east where we have divergent interests and convening interests. in the incident -- with all due respect to the politicians, it's not the issue. the larger picture is the middle east. while khashoggi will fade off and fade away eventually, in the middle east, if saudi arabia is further diminished they are going to be pushed into buying from other nations weaponry and other things. on top of that, will they do in their relationship to us when they get into that next war in the middle east? >> melissa: one thing it does do, though -- it reminds you what kind of place the kingdom actually is. we had gotten to a place

where -- you know, the crown prince was trying to act like he was trying to modernize the whole kingdom. in many ways, doesn't it remind you why we have so much in common with israel? and why israel is our natural ally in the region because of their value for human rights and democracy? if this khashoggi thing fades away, that's painful to hear because you are talking about someone who was chopped up. that's a kingdom where they do things like this. >> katie: this is why when people attack israel, especially on the left, it makes zero absolutely no sense. it's the only democracy that actually does care about human rights and preserving the rights not only of themselves but even their enemies. in terms of saudi arabia, look -- these places don't change over the night. they take a long time to change. is this incident an indication that things have changed? absolutely not. but if you put in the context of who we are willing to work with and who we are willing, as the united states, to negotiate with in terms of our shipping channels, weaponry, who they are going to be allies with.

is russia going to come in and say , or china? there are bigger pictures here that are long-term prayed there things that could be done economically to punish saudi arabia for the khashoggi murder. at the same time, completely taking out the u.s. support which is our interest against iran and yemen. it's an overreach, to say the least. >> melissa: for you out of the audience, you may be wondering -- where in the world was harris faulkner question she's going to sit down with president trump less than an hour from now at the white house for an exclusive interview on "outnumbered overtime." keep it right here. top of the hour, paris and the president. a new bombshell in the mueller investigation -- a judge is demanding the special counsel turn over documents related to michael flynn's interview with the fbi. and flynn's lawyer suggesting he was set up. now, what former fbi director james comey said about this that is raising a few eyebrows. plus, the president sounding off for the first time on his former

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lanny davis. he asked what advice mr. cohen gave his then-client. >> bill: did cohen know the time he was making a payment that was against the law? >> he said to the prosecutor's yes, i knew it was. that's what we talked about." >> bill: if you knew it was illegal, did he tell the president at the time questioning >> i don't don't know what his advice was to mr. trump. >> katie: all this is top democrats are talking about a re-examination of whether a sitting president could be indicted. he is richard blumenthal earlier. >> i believe that the president should be able to be indicted for there's no constitutional bar to it. i will be asking the office of legal counsel for an opinion. if it retracts his prior opinion indicating the present can be done. i think the president himself can be indicted. >> katie: you kept saying "that's huge."

why is that? >> melissa: bill hemmer's question was spot on. did michael cohen know it illegal? yes. as trump's attorney, did he say "you want me to do this thing. it's illegal." lanny davis said "i don't know." if you saying that, that means he didn't tell him it was illegal. the other thing that undermines the case a lot, i bet president trump has done this before. long before he was running for office. to say it was a campaign contribution -- if he has done it before in the past, that undermines that case. all that said, obviously, it's very yucky. it's not a great thing. he lied about it, the president, it seems. but that doesn't become a felony or whatever it is that they are ramping up to. >> lisa: to your point, the former chairman or commissioner bradley smith has previously said that he didn't necessarily think this was criminal. to your point, president trump could have been doing this to protect his business, protect his marriage. for other reasons outside the

campaign. as president trump tweeted, "michael cohen was my attorney. he supposed to know the law." fair. i think on the legal side of this it sort of murky how much liability president trump has, and how much exposure he has on the legal front to read my understanding is that there is a high burden of proof and campaign finance violations to prove intent. i don't know how much trouble he's in there legally. i think on the political side of things, which is my expertise, he is in trouble in terms of congress moving forward on impeachment issues. also, the investigations we are going to see you next congress. to me, from a political lens, that is where he's good to be getting in the most heat and faces the most -- >> melissa: don't forget ethics. >> katie: on the campaign trail, nancy pelosi cautioned democrats about talking about impeachment on the campaign trail. now the democrat have control of the house, impeachment seems to be something they are perfectly comfortable talking about publicly. >> david: well, democrats running as moderates, progressives running as

hypocrites against ice, against impeachment. for impeachment. let's ignore that. all that is campaign fodder. here's where this issue really lies -- this was always about tying someone to trump. what michael cohen did that was criminally liable for him, and even mark penn says this, and it's true -- that would have been to bring it to tax court for bank fraud and other things that would have led to more serious crimes. tangential, they went to something that's political. often settled by a fine. civil -- you were right about the commissioners. i have spoken to former commissioners myself. it will go nowhere. it's the political damage against the president they are seeking. frankly, good luck. go for impeachment. use anything you can to try and do that in the house. then try and get it through the senate and watch the make up you will react. >> katie: adrienne, are democrats really going to use michael cohen as a way to get at president trump and give him any kind of credibility based on a series of misstatements that he has made? >> adrienne: i think you

can't -- i understand that the president tweeted that this morning, but if he gets pretty rich of him to go out there and say "well, i didn't know this was illegal. this is my attorney's job." he was running for president of the united states. he should know what the campaign finance laws are, and that includes a massive -- >> david: most candidates don't know the campaign finance laws. believe me. they are convoluted. the five how would you not understand that a hundred $50,000 payment to sell a story as a campaign violation? >> david: it's not about the campaign if it's about the president trying to pay off or not get the embarrassment with his wife or whatever. that's personal. not illegal. lanny davis -- >> katie: i want to get to final questions for lisa real quickly on the political side of this. president trump set on air force one that he didn't know anything about these payments. now he is admitting that he knew about the payments. are people going to care about that? is it really matter, or is it going to be something that is

lost in the talk about this situation? >> lisa: if i'm being completely truthful, i think if this was vice president mike prince del mike pence's would be different conversation. there've been these things before. present trip has admitted previously in his relationships and marriages, going outside of the balance, there. i don't think it from this lens it will hurt him as much prolific its investigation. however, to david's earlier point, the roadblock for democrats is the senate which will have 53 republicans as the majority. they won't give the two-thirds supermajority that 60 votes in the senate. ultimately, impeachment would end in the house. >> david: by the way, the american people care more about the sexual harassment payout with taxpayer dollars when it comes to both sides of the aisl aisle. emanuel cleaver, they keep contradicting each other. and others on this. >> katie: we will see. not going away, that's for sure. a new tweet from the president raising questions about funding for his long-promised border wall as congress battles to avoid a partial government shutdown. can the lawmakers strike a deal

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>> something i probably wouldn't have done or may be gotten away with in a more organized investigation, a more organized administration -- in the george w. bush administration, for example, or the obama investigation. in administration. if the fbi wanted to send agents into the white house itself to interview a senior official, he would work through the white house counsel and they would be discussions and approvals and he would be there. i thought "it's early enough, let's just send a couple guys over." >> melissa: in the meantime, senior judicial analyst judge andrew napolitano says that flynn's claim has a whole new layer to the saga. >> the government has recommended a sentence that is unprecedented. zero jail time. instead of just waiting for the zero jail time to come, he's going right into the government's face and saying "you set me up." and they want to set up the government for setting him up.

you seeing a member of memoranda internodes, and the judge agreed. >> melissa: not surprisingly, somebody who agrees with all that is the present. he tweeted "they gave general flynn a great deal because they were embarrassed by the way he was treated. the fbi said he didn't lie and they overrode the fbi. they want to scare everybody into making up stories that are not true by catching them in the smallest misstatements. it said." you have to slap a side on the end. what you make of those developments and wide is james comey sitting at the 92nd street y here in new york talking about the fact that they pulled a fast one on the administration and didn't follow what is fbi protocol? >> david: that actually doesn't surprise me. i know the officers he worked with here in new york. i call it "tall man syndrome," he has to be the smartest man in the room. we have to pay attention to this case prayed something that judge sullivan did -- and he's got a good history. you look at his record, he doesn't call for judicial review

prior to decisions. certain points and cases. judges, in general, don't do this unless there are troubling matters brought forward. peter strzok, james comey, the methods they used, and the trap. the perjury trap, or entrapment. if there's a hint of that, and a judge that is reasonable will take a look at this and say "this is beyond how you should operate." i think this is a big, big warning to the doj. >> melissa: adrienne, let me ask you the flip side of this. which is, shouldn't the white house counsel have known that the fbi was coming over? to to to say "no, you may not. there are protocols to follow in order to do this." general flynn -- he's a general. maybe he should have known not to do it without a lawyer. >> adrienne: absolutely. general flynn he's been around for a long time and he should know his rights have counsel present. at the same time, i also don't

think that james comey going out there and saying what he just said at the 92y is very helpful, either. it adds more questions to some of these conspiracy theories out there on the fbi. >> david: they aren't conspiracy theories if there is a conspiracy. he's admitting it. >> adrienne: i certainly don't think james comey is coming out on speaking anything at this point. to either side. i want to make it clear -- this judge is known for protecting defendant's rights. that's what he does. it's not a surprise that he is trying to collect all the information to make sure that, in his view, mike flynn was actually protected. >> david: which is the right position because the burden is on the prosecutor. and i think it's important. >> melissa: lisa, i'm eager to see the evidence that either side has. because this is a claim we hear again and again, that the mueller investigation and that the fbi is basically pressuring, tricking people into saying things that aren't true. that's a big claim. if it's true, i want to see the evidence. >> lisa: congressional investigators have been trying

to get the 302s as well as a transcript that they had. remember, comey and mccabe told congress they didn't think -- the take away was that flynn did not lie and that he pleads to lying once mueller takes over the investigation. also, my problem is going back to the very beginning. the fbi agents had no reason to talk to flynn and the person place prayed as incoming national security advisor, he had every right to talk about sanctions. that was his job. there is nothing nefarious about that. yet, the aides told congress that the obama administration was worried about the logan act. the 218-year-old law, nobody has ever been prosecuted for it. that's a complete farce. i have a problem with why the fbi agents ever talked to flynn in the first place. >> katie: i would be curious about whether president trump regrets firing michael flynn. he was fired because he lied to vice president mike pence about some of the conversations that he had. in terms of the fbi going and, yes, you would think you would want a lawyer. but if the conversation is "we are just going to get to know

you as a new administration and as a new national security visor," and they aren't saying "you are under investigation, we are talking to you about what we are best getting and we want to ask you some questions," then they essentially lied about getting into the white house asking the questions in the first place. >> david: trapped. a >> adrienne: if you're meeting the fbi -- >> katie: not if the national security advisor is trying to get to know the government. months later, they decide -- >> melissa: we can argue about this one forever. let's argue about something else. [laughter] adding a new twist to the border wall funding battle, earlier this week, president trump said he would be willing to shut down the government if he doesn't get his $5 billion for his wall. he tweeted this morning, "as often stated, one way or the other, mexico was going to pay for the wall. this never changed. our new deal with mexico and canada, the usmca, is so much better for the old one. very a costly. just by the money we saved, mexico is paying for the wall. but new trade deal that was

signed with canada and mexico still needs to be approved by congress. that is true. adrienne, i will start with you. william la jeunesse is out there doing reporting today from -- it would be something like 215 miles of additional wall. there are 650 miles of barrier right now. that doesn't seem like a big increase, and it doesn't seem -- it's the same style offense that we arty have. maybe what we are fighting about is that silly word "wall" as opposed to the actual material that is being proposed. >> adrienne: yes, i think border fencing or something else that the democrats are using to sort of describe this. the bottom line is this -- if the government shuts down, it's squarely on president trump. we heard it with our own ears, we watched it with our own eyes in the meeting with chuck and nancy. democrats made it -- >> melissa: he's fine with that. >> adrienne: he is fine with that, and i'm not surprised. >> david: i'm fine with it.

[laughs] >> adrienne: people on the campaign trail who aren't fine as it is senate republicans. they don't want this on them. ultimately, even though we will be on trim, it will also be on them. you got people like the number two senate republican, the number three senate republican. >> lisa: i love that everybody's on a first-name basis. with chuck and nancy. [laughs] 's view on by the time everybody goes to vote, nobody's going to remember the shutdown. not that the republicans -- i don't know, shutting down the government doesn't sound so bad to me. katie, let me ask you -- if you are intellectually honest about these things, when he says "okay, nafta -- we read this deal and we are getting more money from them. that can go to pay for the wall," it sounds very much for me like you're making arguments in my head "well, i didn't buy that purse. i save money over there, so i can go do this." we all shift money around in our households and say "we did this, so we aren't paying.

so now that pays for that." what do you think? >> katie: mexico paying for the wall is a campaign promise that the president made. because he is all about this "promises made, promises kept" slogan, he's trying to talk about how mexico will pay for it. the bottom line is that democrats voted for this type of fencing before. if they really want to, in the year of 2018, talk about open borders they should admit the fact that they aren't interested in voting the same way they did in 2006. a lot of this money is already allocated. they just need to actually put into place and build the fence. so, it's all about making good on what democrats -- >> david: can we get rid of the "pay for the wall" with one thing simple? they said they would pay for it whether -- he didn't say they would prepay for it. the fact is, that you would -- >> melissa: her point, she is right -- in 2006 the majority of senate democrats voted for 700 miles of fencing. we're talking about 215, here.

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♪ >> lisa: first lady melania trump speaking out in an interview with john hedley. it's a second interview since arriving at the white house the first lady calling out those who she accuses of going after her family, in order to advance themselves. >> it doesn't hurt. the problem is they are writing the history. it's not correct.

they like to focus on the gossip, and i would like to be focused on what we do. not just about nonsense. >> lisa: this interview came as she was touring and visiting with military members and thanking them for their service. what she is saying it's very interesting. she has said in past interview that she is concerned about people still working in the white house who did not have the best interests of the administration in mind. >> david: yes, first of all, they tried in some segments of the media -- i won't say everyone -- to somehow painter as someone different then -- he's a very intelligent woman, clearly she's an asset to the president. call it the family approach. she has a platform that matters, whether it's against bullying, a number of other platforms she has taken on. when the press goes out, where individuals go out, and attack her, they are violating one of the first rules in america. most people don't like you attacking the first lady. it's not going to work. i think that something we ought

to consider in the media. >> katie: lisa? >> lisa: if i was melania trump i wouldn't sit down with the media, either. the media has treated the administration heinously, and everybody that gets caught in trump's orbit, the media tries to destroy. whether it's cap an official's like calling jeff sessions a racist, even on facebook, for instance. doing something with the obama administration -- the hillary clinton administration did it, and cambridge analytica analytica -- now it's an issue. anyone that gets caught in his orbit, the media tries to destroy them. if you are melania trump, why not sit down with them? of course, they pitch into the stupid things like what kind of heels she's wearing. i guess if you're part of the trump administration, how frustrating would that be when you're actually trying to get things done? all they want to talk about is what kind of shoes you're wearing. >> melissa: i don't know if it's frustrating or revealing. because people that are supposed to be pro-women, who are supposed to support other women, who are standing there and

calling the president a misogynist and then they turn around in the next breath and attack melania on things like hair, clothing, all of those different things. it just shows how hypercritical so many are. >> katie: adrienne, what struck me in that interview was her distinguishing of herself away from her husband. she understands the role, supports what she's doing. but she's doing her own thing. people seem to be ignoring all of that i'm just trying to tie her directly to the president, as the president's wife rather than somebody who is getting things in her own right. which is very feminist, by the way. >> adrienne: absolutely. i'm the first to sit here and say that i think especially first lady's were not trying to go out there and have a major political agenda themselves -- the family should be protected paid i think these attacks on barron trump, for example, are also absolutely terrible to see happen. some of the criticisms the media has done. we saw chelsea clinton, for example.

michelle obama same thing with her two daughters when they were -- they became -- she defended them, as well. i think it's a little hypocritical when you do have the first lady employing this anti-bullying campaign when she is literally going after -- her husband is the one who is often at the podium -- >> lisa: but her son, barren trump him also on the receiving end of being bullied by adults. of course she's going to -- >> adrienne: she's doing the right thing protecting her son. i think sometimes it's a little rich when the first lady has this anti-bullying crusade when her husband is the one that's actually going out there -- >> david: we should ask the hillary clinton question there. >> lisa: they would call it counter punching. >> katie: in the interview, she does tell the president's tone that down sometimes. speaking of the president, we

are minutes away from harris' sit down with president trump at the white house for a special interview on "outnumbered overtime." keep it right here for the top of the hour. ♪

>> lisa: welcome back. let's go to the white house northline where harris is right now, after her interview with the president. harris, tell us about it.

>> harris: it's good to see you on the couch. i'm here at the white house where he just sat down with president trump for a one-on-one interview. i asked him about the sentencing of his former lawyer and fixer, michael cohen. the campaign finance violations charges that he pleaded guilty to. take a watch. >> president trump: they put that on to embarrass me. they put those two judges on to embarrass me. they aren't criminal charges. what happened is either: or the prosecutors, in order to embarrass me, said "listen, i'm making this deal. for reduced time and everything else. do me a favor -- put these two charges on." >> harris: so the president had a lot to say. we talked a lot about michael cohen. finally, i said "why did you hire this man? "and he said "he did me a favor." for the first time, we had on camera with a fever was. when i asked "what did he do?" we got to watch at 1:00 p.m. to get his answer for that. fascinating interview inside the white house. so glad i got to be here. back to you guys. >> melissa: that is a great

tease. >> lisa: stage and for that. it will be awesome and we are all going to watch. now we have some new fox news polls, and the election was held today. 30% of registered voters say that they would give the president four more years, while of people said they would vote for somebody else. they say the party will take a deep data dive during this year's midterms. we have to look at why we are losing with women. i'm a woman -- i want to know that, as also. i don't think we are a monolithic group. and like that. i want to start with you regarding this at the top of the report. i remember, in 2009, a magazine said republicans were an endangered species prayed they went on to win the house in 2010. in 2012, republicans did an autopsy report. went on to win the senate in 2014 prayed the white house in 2016. are republicans reading too much

into the 2016 midterm? or that you have thousand 18 midterm losses? >> david: allowed to focus on women? i do know that was loud! for the purposes of this answer, i will self-identify as capable to comment on the palooka process of the women. women are independent thinkers. women across this country makes decisions in houses and boardrooms. you should make the same appeals he would make anybody on the board of security. it shouldn't take a deep data dive to do this. should you examine where you are the party customer gas. if it matches the percentage of the midterms, it means that the gap you really have to start thinking about filling. it's not just women. i would reach out further. look at latin voters, look at other groups. speech he would do you make of what ronna mcdaniel said, some of these republican women making the effort to make a focus on suburban women? how much trouble do you think

president trump is going to have their heading into the 2020 election? >> katie: if you get depends on who the candidates are. the reason women didn't vote for hillary clinton in the way she hoped is that they didn't like who she was, and they could relate to her. they didn't want her to be the first female president of the united states in a lot of ways. it just depends on who can get out of the primary on the democratic side. president trump will have to adjust based on who that person is. i'm sure he will go after them in the way that he always does. and get at them with their weaknesses. but it really does -- i think polls like this, they are really difficult to gauge any kind of real meaningful evidence or predictions two years out -- based on the fact that there is no named candidate on the other side. >> lisa: adrienne, another part of this is that democrats may be experiencing what the republicans had paid a massive field. he looks like there will be a massive democrat field. do you worry about who breaks through with that? there is a very easy scenario, where a cory booker or kamala

harris or even beto o'rourke get overlooked. someone else comes along that's maybe louder and saying things that grab interest. >> adrienne: i'm not worried. first of all, i think you will have a very spirited primary. i think that a lot of fantastic people are looking at running, and if he could swing to be interesting to see who actually announces in the first quarter of next year. i want to go back to the poll that we just referenced on the screen. 38% -- he is the sitting income at present. he has 12 points under. you never want to be under 50%. you certainly don't want to be under 40% if you're of a sitting president the united states. registered voters polled said they wanted to vote for somebody else. it's not a very good place for the president to be. for any president to be end, regardless of the party. >> katie: who is somebody? i could say i want to vote for myself because i would do a better job. who is it? >> adrienne: that's a good number to be at. in the united states -- that's

why they are public and being -- >> katie: hold on a second. >> lisa: i want to get melissa in here. you were saying -- -- >> melissa: it seems like a general dissent section pray that's where we are on the cycle, they sit there and say "i don't know, i would like to see someone better." what i thought was most interesting was the difference between bernie sanders and elizabeth warren. you had him up at 63% as a potential candidate, and elizabeth warren at 38%. >> david: who do you get to vote for bernie sanders? a small group of people who didn't even show up much when he ran against hillary clinton. >> lisa: also, i think elizabeth warren is potentially done here. with that dna test -- >> david: now there's an actual indian in congress. be too it shows her political incidents are completely off. democrats seem to be sounding the alarm's with what they did her chances. so, we will see. there is more "outnumbered" coming up at just a moment, as well as harris' big sitdown

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have a drink for all of us. we are back tomorrow at noon eastern. stay tuned because harris is coming up with an interview live at the white house. ♪ >> harris: welcome to "outnumbered overtime," lie from the white house north montreat i'm harris faulkner. moments ago i sat down with the nation's commander in chief for a wide-ranging interview on a host of topics, including the latest in the mueller investigation. the sentencing of his former personal attorney, and so much more. >> of "the new york times" a sink of a tabloid publishers' deal to hush money is not endangering trump even more. i'm paraphrasing a little bit. as you look at this, what you want the nation to know about -- >> president trump: let me just say, i don't think -- i have to go check -- i don't think that even paid any money to that tabloid. okay? i don't think we made a payment to that tablet. i was asking the question -- i don't think we