flynn, seeing comey's breaking. wouldn't have done this in the george w. bush administration, obama administration, breaking that he would take advantage and of his deputy, telling general flynn go get a lawyer. is this how we treat veterans? all the time we have left. thank you for being with us. let not your heart be troubled. laura ingraham, i can't run into the studio. >> laura: the swamp enjoyed having you here. we were going to do a swamp monster. we didn't get them in time. we didn't know of you could come through the wall. great show tonight. >> sean: you too. if i don't see you, merry christmas. >> laura: merry christmas. have a great time with your family. happy new year. see you later. i am laura ingraham. this is "the ingraham angle."

from washington, did trump actually let the border wall slipped through his fingers? white house advisor stephen miller, one of those where public appearances for him, he is here tonight. new rumors about who might be the next chief of staff. liberal judges want to stop i.c.e. from arresting illegals at courthouses. there is a risk that could present to you. later, melania trump hits back at the media opportunists out there. wait until you hear what some of today's violent attacks against her. howard kurtz will weigh in. polling guru frank luntz is here to break down of the democrats are stepping on their own message. we'll bring you the tapes. first, trump's excesses in black and white. that is the focus of tonight's angle. this is a scene you likely did not see on one of your local or

national newscasts. the white house announcing a bold plan to change the lives in america of some of our poorest citizens. those who live in the most distressed and sometimes the most dangerous neighborhoods. flanked by senator tim scott and bet founder bob johnson with van jones looking on, you see them there, the president signed an executive order creating something called the opportunity and revitalization council. if you think this is just kind of another brick in the bureaucracy here in d.c., signifying nothing, think again. led by hud secretary ben carson, he will coordinate efforts across the entire federal government to deliver jobs, investment, and growth in underprivileged areas. by the way, it includes rural areas too. this means more private-sector money will flow into some of these high-risk areas or low development areas. what will that do? in turn, that will deliver jobs.

>> isn't it a great thing? [applause] thank you, everybody. >> mr. president, mr. president, your reaction to michael cohen. >> laura: of course you heard that, there are fewer borders on hand. they weren't interested in the substance of the undertaking. while they were interested in a shouting questions out about cohen. unlike most white house events, starring trump, it was not broadcast on cable or c-span or any of the networks. i wonder why. i will tell you why. because trump is delivering results. those that the democrats that they had co-opted politically. it smashes the presses relentless drumbeats about how the president just doesn't like black people. >> what more do we need to siri

or hear from this racist man? >> here we have a president who has once again said racist and despicable words about african-americans, people of color. >> the policy has been anti-people of color. continues policies that i believe are racist in nature. >> the president of these united states is racist. >> the president seems to harbor racist feelings about people of color. >> laura: it's just despicable. every time i watch those, i am like, i don't want to play them anymore. media mogul bob johnson, one of the most prominent and successful african-americans probably on the planet, obviously begged to disagree with the montage. he was on hand to recognize the administration's drive and commitment to help low income americans. >> just recently, your

department of labor signed a historic document that created something called auto portability. it's designed to reduce retirement leakage among low income 401(k) account holders who tend to cash out. mr. president, you should know this, 60% of african-american and hispanic americans cash out of their 401(k) accounts. this program will put close to $800 billion back in the retirement pocket of minority americans. so i just want to applaud you for that. >> laura: no coverage. i had to play that just because no one saw it. now, you see, there are a lot of politicians out there who traffic in bromides shining with a veneer of real compassion. >> hope is the insistence that no matter how tough our

circumstances, there are better days ahead. if we persist, despite all of our individual failings and all of our inadequacies, together we can overcome. >> laura: that's nice. i guess that his nobel prize material. the problem is talking about hope is beautiful but it won't bring business into your community. people who can get jobs tend to have more hope. despair and despair and crime in places like chicago and baltimore spiraled out of control during much of obama's eight years. but i know what you're going to say. but laura, obama and the democrats care more than donald trump. look, you can see it. you can feel it. they care. then they will bring up charlottesville and the s-hole comment trump made to drive their points home. even for the sake of argument i can see those points, the

tonality, the wording, maybe wouldn't have done it that way, fine. i asked the following. who cares more about america in particular the working poor? the guy who delivers results, record low on employment, opportunity zones and a chance for criminal justice reform. or a party that is all talk and no action? i will take the form or any day. oh, and by the way, the press did find one angle on the opportunity zone. they thought part of the story was worth covering. jared and trump himself are only pushing these inner-city investment incentives because they will make money off their own real estate holdings. please. secretary ben carson came on my radio show yesterday, and he swatted this whole thing away. >> these zones were picked by by the governors. they were not picked by jared

kushner. there are all kinds of people in the country who already have real estate in those zones. will they benefit? probably. why shouldn't they benefit? why shouldn't everybody benefit? why shouldn't we create win-win situations? >> laura: i want to see more of ben carson out there, by the way. i loved what he had to say. once again, the media proves itself to be absolutely incapable of covering virtually anything about the work the president does to try to restore our country. not even an inkling of objectivity. he didn't do this, by the way, to benefit a few of his pals are the people who voted for him but he is doing this to try to benefit those who have been served so poorly by politicians of both parties for decades. but i'm telling you despite everything that is swirling

around him, the democrats obsession with impeachment, the indictments, et cetera, et cetera, the president continues to do work that other presidents wouldn't do. and poor working class americans will be better for it. and that the angle. joining me now with reaction, pastor darrell scott. he was at the signing of the opportunity zones executive order. he's also the ceo of the national diversity coalition for trump. with me is niger and it's from a congress for racial equality and chris edwards from the cato interesting. pastor, you are at this event yesterday. what's your reaction to some of that sound you heard from my angle. that president trump not only doesn't care about minorities. he doesn't deliver anything for minorities. but the he's an actual racist despite everything that's been laid out. >> i can sum that up in one word. that word is hogwash. i can think of a stronger word

but i can't say it on television. [laughter] i have been involved with the president and this administration as far as this opportunity zone act and urban revitalization plans for a year, year and a half. it's something they've been working very hard on. yesterday saw their fruition of a lot of planning and a lot of time and labor intensive activity working towards it, and it's going to enhance this entire country. it's going to cause developers and builders, it's going to provide incentive for them to redevelop and revitalize these lighted areas in america. it's going to be a shining symbol of trump's vision for making america great again. >> laura: chris edwards from the institute disagrees. you think it's going to be a boondoggle for the developers? >> it's a well-meaning proposal or long now and it's a big

thing, no doubt. i think it's very misguided. there is a thousand zones across the country now. politicians across the country sat down and drew lines down streets in america on one side of the straight you get that giant capital gains tax break it on the other side, you don't get anything. what has happened is landowners, and ben carson touched on it, landowners inside the zone have these giant appreciations in the value of their property for doing nothing. that's how economic works. >> laura: how do people across the board not benefit? there's always going to be -- >> people outside the zones are losers. new investments will go -- it creates inequality. >> laura: you are allowed. you are logged. i love your voice but it's booming. >> he doesn't know what he's talking about. >> laura: i want to get a response. then i have something to say

about how the zones work. >> home a few short years ago during the obama administration, you had a record number of blacks and hispanics, part of a growing dependency society. even working-class whites. for the first time, health indicators for white men, working class white men, was catching up negatively to those of black and hispanic men because there was a sense of hopelessness, a sense of a dependency on big government. that has changed. for the first time in our history, more small businesses were closing than opening. what the president is doing with these opportunity zones and i want to upload my friend pastor scott. i want to applaud the president. what they are doing is making an investment. i think my friend from cato would agree that capitalism has done more to free and liberate people from poverty, not just in our country but around the

world, than any other system in history. >> laura: what's the alternative here? we spent $7 trillion on the war on poverty. we got more poverty. we spend a lot of money on the war on poverty, correct, pastor? what's the alternative? last time i checked, cato's for open borders, more trade deals than the ppp. >> we are for trade and i agree with everything the other guests mentioned about capitalism. i am off opportunity everywhere the country, equal treatment. these zones only touch about one quarter of low income neighborhoods in america, so three quarters of the neighborhoods left out or going to be losers because the investments are going to go to the winning zones. trump's new counsel that he announced is going to put more spending subsidies just in the zones, leaving out the other areas. i like equal treatment especially of the federal level, not special deals for special groups of people. >> laura: do you think donald trump concocted this

whole thing? >> no, no, no, it's a very well-meaning thing. >> laura: you are not part of that crowd. >> mr. kushner sounds like he does own a lot of the land and the opportunity zones. they have all experienced capital appreciation for doing nothing. >> laura: i don't think it's doing nothing. you are taking a risk. pastor, you are taking a risk by putting investment in an area that has oftentimes been dangerous, very difficult to grow a company. or in the rural zones, just kind of desolate, and no investment at all. >> first of all, i think you have given the cato hater too much time. he is promoting negativism and doesn't want to talk about positive attributes of this. when you elevate the value of these depressed areas, the areas adjacent to the depressed areas automatically elevate their value as well. real estate 101 is when you look at property value, you look at

at -- if an area is depressed, it's bringing down the value of the surrounding area. if the area increases in value, the areas around it automatically increase as well. trying to level the playing field and provide incentives for those to invest in areas that they previously wouldn't have. we have a very aggressive urban revitalization program. it's nothing to be investing in real estate. it's going to be investing in people in those areas today. providing vocational training, educational opportunities. there is going to be a lot to it to revitalize the people. they can be transformed by the renewing of their minds so that the increase in value is total. >> laura: i want to move to something that goes beyond just the economics of it. to how the left has tried to poison the well among minorities. against this president despite

the economic news, despite issues like this, criminal justice reform. 24 hours before this council could that the cato institute thinks is not going to work andi hope they are wrong. i'm actually very optimistic about this, very optimistic about it. niger, 24 hours before this, this is what we were seeing on cnn. let's watch. >> do you think the president takes hate and white nationalism seriously? >> he's has very often employed language that mirrors their own language. there's a line that they had in the florida race, not saying that you are a racist but the racist think you are a racist. >> laura: that old trope. it's every day the same thing. this whole panel. we are actually debating whether this will work substantively and maybe america doesn't want to hear that. maybe they just want to hear people yell all day. i think it's interesting that cato has a point of view about

the economics of this. i like to hear what the folks at cato have to say or chamber of commerce. it's interesting. they are not offering a solution for the inner-city. they are offering the following: trump is a racist. that's all they will say. or white nationalist. that's it. that's what they are offering black america in the era of trump, that trump is a racist. niger, i have to tell you it's infuriating to people who have seen the good work they are doing or trying to do. >> certainly the far left wing will do that on the regular basis because they have nothing to offer. our friends at cato probably have a substantive policy disagreement with the president on this, right or wrong. but i doubt chris is going to get into that racial demagoguery. the reason the far left wing does it is they have controlled inner-city america for 50 years or longer. they have delivered nothing, nothing for the black community. nothing for the hispanic community. nothing for working-class poor

whites for years, so what do they do? every two years for every four years or three years in a local election, they will drag out the racism card which is nonsense and say that you've got to keep me in power. maxine waters has been in power for decades in los angeles. what has she delivered for her community other than saying that that guy over there or that woman over there if they are republican and there are white, they are nonsense. it's nonsense. the black community, the hispanic community are tired of it. what they are worried is that not that that opportunity zones is going to be a failure but they are going to be a success. >> laura: the president's popularity was at 36, now it's below 20. why's that? why is it going in the wrong direction, pastor? we know kanye west kind of came and went. we don't have enough people out

there. >> the prison reform bill. one thing i agree with with my brother niger, it's insulting to the intelligence of black america is the fact that the left does not give one intellectual reasons to not vote for president trump or not support him. they give us emotional reasons. he hates you. he hates blacks. don't vote for him. he hates blacks. he's creating opportunity zones. but he hates you. he's on his and reform. >> but he hates you. they are insulting our intelligence by speaking like that when the proof is in the pudding. this man could be the most proactive president for black america in my lifetime, and he's proving me to be a prophet in that respect. he's doing things if president obama had done this, there would be a parade in the street. oh, obama, he's the savior of the black community. so you know, these guys like cato in them. they are going to find reasons

to say something bad. >> laura: was cato also against prison reform? >> where absolutely for it. i am for lower taxes on investment and equal treatment. we should have lower taxes for investment across the board. the reason cities like detroit are poor is because of bad policy, high regulations. high property taxes. if detroit lowered its property taxes, it would get more business investment. you don't need the federal government. to be >> laura: great panel. actual substance. liberals are always talking about safe spaces. some left-wing judges want to provide them to dangerous illegal immigrants who are walking out of the courthouse. i'm going to explain this next, plus melania called the media opportunists out. wouldn't you know, they proved her rights. howard kurtz is here to tell us how. stay there. had to. kayla: do you know how hard it is to smoke in a hospital? by the time we could, we were like...

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>> since i took the oath of office, i.c.e. agents have arrested over 235,000 aliens with criminal records, including those charged or convicted of more than 100,000 assaults on nearly 4,000 killings. think of that. 4,000 killings, and they want to abolish i.c.e.

no thank you. >> laura: remember over the summer when the democrats wanted to do just that with the president said, polish i.c.e.? narrow nearly 70 former state and federal judges want i.c.e. banned from courthouses. in a letter to the acting i.c.e. director, they wrote "judges simply cannot do their jobs and our justice system cannot function effectively if victims, defendants, witnesses and family members do not feel secure in accessing the courthouse." the group wants courthouses to be added to the so-called sensitive locations list where immigration officers generally do not enter to make arrests. here now, former assistant u.s. attorney brian kelly who prosecuted immigration cases in the border county of san diego. island lesson jurors also with us, an immigration attorney. brian, let me start with you. how bad an idea is this to ban i.c.e. from operating outside of a court room where lot of these

detainees who are obviously illegal immigrants are released more coming and going as part of another case? >> it's a terrible idea, laura. it's obviously political. this is not a new practice. these arrested courthouses, they are not very common, but they've been going on since the obama administration. i don't recall any of these judges complaining when it was happening under the obama administration. >> laura: well, one of the things that i.c.e. said to us tonight and eileen, i want you to react to this, they wrote the following. "arestin courthouses are routine practice for law enforcement agencies throughout the country because many jurisdictions no longer allow i.c.e. to take custody of aliens inside jails, courts have the next safest option. as the judges acknowledged her in their letter, i see updated its policy incarnation with the association of chief justices and accorded ministers to clarify that the agency target specific aliens. appearing most often as a

defendant in criminal matters and not those appearing in court as victims or witnesses." isn't it the case where this is being thrown out in a very emotional manner to try to paint the trump administration as you are going after like victims of domestic violence and a cornice. that's really not the case. >> it may not be that they are specifically targeting the victims, but the impact is the same. the effect is the same. they are going after illegal immigrants in the court systems and the actual witnesses, victims, the they think they are employed even if that's not what's happening. >> laura: there is an updated policy that came out. there is also something called, i can't remember the name of a visa. it's a visa for a victim of crime. you can apply for it if you are a victim. if these courthouses, these judges or these lawyers for the illegal immigrants aren't aware of this. when their clients are going into the courthouse, i don't

know what to say about that. they are here in the country illegally. we all forget that. >> it's never been the case that illegal aliens were eager to hang out at federal and state courthouses. the policy now in place that i.c.e. is implementing targets only certain criminal aliens, members of gangs, national security risks, that sort of thing. they are not just arresting willy-nilly crime victims and things like that. they are in fact trying to do their jobs. there is opposition to them at every turn and it's making a dangerous job even harder. it's much safer for them to be making arrests in a court has been out on the streets where anything can happen. >> laura: people get killed, including the agents. we do have to preserve their safety as well. i've got to say it a lot of the reason, and we heard this from i.c.e. tonight as well, they are doing this, eileen, because there are sanctuary cities in jurisdictions that do not allow them to go into jails to assess

the conditions, the status of particular inmates. nor are they alerted to the fact that certain inmates are released. we just had a case in new jersey in early november where an individual was released and then goes on to murder three people in missouri. from new jersey, which is a sanctuary state. so i.c.e. is trying to keep us safe out there and i don't understand why the life of me why people who claim to care about women and children, a lot of democrats, are in the middle of this defending criminals from being detained or caught up by i.c.e. that's going to protect women and children in the united states. and man. >> well, i mean, i think the important thing here is that the i.c.e. officers are trying to protect them but so are the police officers that are making the cases against these defendants. if the victims don't feel safe going to court, then all of the work that the police officers, prosecutors have done throws it all apart. when we talk about the visa, a lot of time prosecutors don't feel comfortable telling the witnesses about it.

for fear of it becoming biased. >> laura: okay, well. hold on. they are not targeting these people. this is a complete red herring. they are not targeting women or children or people who have been brutalized. that's just not how it works. just so people understand the case a reference, luis roderigo perez, we have a photo. put it up on the screen please. 23 years old, charged with killing three people in missouri and should have faced deportation proceedings after he was arrested last year in new jersey for domestic violence. instead, new jersey released him, and that we have three people dead. that's one. we have juan ramon vasquez, another individual previously deported from honduras who raped a child after philadelphia officials ignored. i put this at the feet of the

open borders crowd. it's not fearmongering. these are real lives that have been affected. >> that's right. it makes no sense to treat this particular crime different from many others. for instance, it was an american citizen who was a defendant in the tax case. as an irs agent in the courtroom. no one would complain about that. or if there is an fbi agent in the courtroom with a warrant. >> laura: it's a special crime. special status, special protection. illegal immigrants. you can't ever deport them according to most people on the left today. if you twisted their arms and said most murderers with should be deported but the other crimes, they should be able to stay here and live out their lives. paddle, fantastic job, as always. last night first lady melania trump spoke with fox's own sean hannity and she didn't hold back when she was talking about the media. >> what's been the hardest thing you have to deal with? >> i would say the opportunists who are using my name or my

family name to advance themselves. comedians to journalists to performers, book writers. >> does it hurt? >> it doesn't hurt. the problem is is they are wrig the history and it's not correct. >> laura: apparently offended by the truth, cnn proved the first lady's point less than 24 hours later. >> the first lady's poll numbers plummet with her favorable rating falling by double digits. in a new interview, she calls the hardest part of her job opportunists who use her name, including journalists. >> laura: joining me now, howie kurtz, host of "media buzz." i found the wolf blitzer intro they are. i don't recall their constant monitoring of other first lady's numbers. maybe hillary when she was doing

hillary care in the early '90s. that seemed to kind of prove melania's point. >> more people still like her. >> laura: is she a political figure? >> i guess all first ladies are by definition. melania's subjected to a particular brutal kind of treatment or mockery, whether it's jimmy kimmel making fun of her accent to all of this media chatter about why didn't she go on this trip with her husband? >> laura: is she even living at the white house? remember that? >> it's designed to insinuate, imply intimate the marriages -- she has got a thick skin but no honor modern first lady has been treated like this. >> she has now adopted this "woe is me" attitude. she says she believes she is the most bullied person out there. they don't believe she has done everything she can to focus on what's positive out of these

huge negative administration. >> laura: what's negative? the press, the administration? who adds to the negativity? >> when melania does things in her public role as first lady, she is subject to criticism. but she's a pretty private person. any other first lady. she's a former professional model. she would be on the covers of women's magazines but of course she is not for ideological reasons, and that bothers me. i think she should do more interviews. she's actually very good at it. >> laura: i agree she should do more. we want to see more of her. she's an incredibly gracious, warm, kind person. i think people, they don't know her. so they will jump to thinking something. >> there is an air of mystery about her. >> laura: maybe that's it. michelle obama could do no wrong. no matter what she did, if it was school lunches thrown away. it's okay. she's beautiful. >> there is some underlying

resentment that she doesn't do more public things because we want her as fodder. it's up to her how much she wants to do publicly. >> laura: i don't think she will be talking to larry o'donnell anytime soon. "the only thing you need to know about melania is she is a trump. a trump by choice." >> captures the entire media mind-set. >> laura: do you know what it is? it's despicable. it's not kind and it's not nice and it just plain rude. for all of their commentary that trump is rude, and trump can get a little hot on twitter. he can back off the twitter a little bit and it would probably be better. but to say that about the first lady, i thought we were all for women choosing they want to do. love who you want. love is love. what happened to that? love is love. you always hear about that when someone chooses someone to love they don't lie, their horrible person. >> so she must be a terrible

person. >> laura: anyone associated with trump by extension from the left are terrible people. howie kurtz, thank you so much. how does stephen miller react to the suggestion that the white house lacked a proposal for the wall slips through its fingertips. senior policy advisor to president trump here to tell us why those criticisms are wrong. and some breaking news on the chief of staff search. chudley cannons. hmm... he's good. nobody knows the wizarding world like we do... barnes & noble.

>> chuck and i are not in a negotiation. we are not going to do $5 million for the wall. >> laura: now the democrats have won control of the house, did president trump's last best chance of getting the wall already slipped through his fingers? earlier this year he came out swinging against a bipartisan immigration bill that would have funded the wall and provided a path to citizenship for doc recipients calling it a catastrophe and a giant amnesty. the bill failed and the wall, well, still not billed.

joining me now i stephen miller, senior policy advisor to president trump. does the president feel like this is like the sand in the hourglass that slipped through that little tiny hole? >> not at all. the bill you mentioned would have been a total catastrophe and guided interior enforcement permanently forever. we've already built over 100 miles of the wall. this stand we are taking right now with the entire nation watching and frankly the whole world watching is a stand we think we are going to win. >> laura: the fact-checker say your border will claim the president said a lot of it is already built was not true. >> the fact-checkers typically are wrong about these things and they certainly are in this case. >> laura: is there a new wall? super-duper new wall? >> a beautiful 30-foot rock solid wall. >> laura: is it up high? >> 30 feet tall. unlike the old one, you have in

the san diego area and many other areas. the 30-foot barrier. >> laura: i'm going there. i'm going to go do a show from the wall. >> you see the old shorter barrier that predated this administration. you see people climbing over it and throwing human beings over it. you need the 30-foot height. i want to get to the real issue at hand. the democrats are fighting for illegal aliens. donald trump is fighting for american citizens. that's what this whole thing is about. you have covered this better than probably anybody for years. you understand it's about sovereignty. it's about working men and women. it's about safe communities. it's about wages, living conditions, quality of life. this is the battle right now right before our very eyes. we are going to win because donald trump is not backing down. >> laura: jeff flake outgoing. you'd be surprised to know he disagrees with you. let's watch. >> the notion that democrats have prevented any fix, the last real vote we had on substantial

immigration reform was the bipartisan bill that we did in 2013. every democrat in the senate voted for that bill. this notion that it's the democrats fault is just wrong. >> laura: is that true? do republicans deserve some blame? we have a lot of chamber of commerce type republicans. i just had a guy from cato on. nice guy but they don't want to border. they want cheap labor and a glut of workers. now we have a dearth of blue-collar workers. >> zoom out. last few decades of american history, there is no question that both parties in america have contributed to unwise foreign policy, unwise trade policy and unwise immigration policy. donald trump came into office and has turned it all around. getting tough on china on trade. renegotiating nafta. cracking down on illegal immigration. dealing with unskilled low-wage migration. reorienting our foreign policy.

all these issues, laura, that have been affected working people in our country for decades, he's turned them around. the democrat party of today, not the democratic party of the years pass, not the democratic party of bill clinton and they '90s. >> laura: we know that. how are you going to get the wall built? he campaigned on the wall. mexico is going to pay for. mexico is not going to pay for it and let you tell me something to fight i don't know. >> the savings from trade alone will fund it. i'm glad you're bringing up funding issues. just the cost of heroin in our country is $230 billion. just the cost of public benefits for illegal immigrants every year is over 100 -- >> laura: we did it, 18 billion just for health care a year for illegal immigrants. that's paying for most of the wall right there. this is what chuck schumer said about the nafta payment. let's watch. >> the president repeatedly promised that mexico would pay for his unnecessary and ineffective border wall. well, mr. president, if you say

mexico is going to pay for the wall through nafta which it certainly won't, then i guess we don't have to. >> laura: well. >> first of all, chuck schumer was for the wall when he voted for the secure fence act in 2,006. now that the democrat party has been come the party of no borders and donald trump is present, he's against it. if chuck schumer wants to pass legislation saying we can spend our trade savings on border security, that would be great. in the meantime the savings for the trade deal will offset the cost of the wall and more importantly than all of that, there wall is going to save american lives. it's going to save american jobs. ends going to save in the long-term hundreds of billions of dollars. >> laura: you need the asylum reform. you've written about this. i've certainly written about it. without that reform, for people who cross the border with a child or someone who they say as a child and is not a child, they are still being released, are they not? you can't detain and how is everybody. there are too many people.

they are effectively being released by the trump administration because we don't have reforms in place. how do we do that with a democrat house question marks to go this is going to be one of the defining issues of the next two years heading into 2020. the democratic party follows the path of open borders in the democratic party is going to engage in self immolation. if donald trump is fighting for working people and he's fighting to restore the borders around this country that are the essential ingredient for national sovereignty and national success in a way that nobody has who has held that office not only in my lifetime but frankly in the history of this country. >> laura: do you feel like you can go out in public and restaurants in washington and do you? >> i have no concerns. >> laura: so you eat. you're fine. what was that broadway show going on outside your house yesterday? do we have a video? raymond said -- who is it? i don't know. who is paying these people question monkey weren't even

there. but you don't have walls, do you come outside your house? >> ironically they would have better chance getting jobs if we can initiate summary forms. >> laura: what about the chief of staff search. i heard and endlessly it's a nightmare in the white house. this spirit is bad. everyone is depressed. they said it a year ago and almost two years ago. number one, what's the spirit in the white house? >> the spirit is wonderful. not only is a wonderful spirit of sacred christmas season but also the wonderful spirit of getting to work for a leader who is fighting for every day ordinary citizens, just regular families. in every part of the country. you did your segment on opportunity zones. african-american, hispanic-american. people who don't have powerful lobbies or special interest, don't have corporate companies and large multinational businesses. every day people.

they now have a champion in the white house. getting to work for a president who fights every day for just normal everyday citizens is a privilege beyond words. all the people i work with feel the same way. >> laura: they are going to focus on the 7-year-old who, this horrific story, a migrant girl who died from dehydration after being brought into the country or a parent brought her. she died. the left will focus on that. that it's republicans' fault for believing in a border. they played the emotion game and oftentimes we play the fact game. facts are very antiseptic. emotional stories sell the case. >> immigration is an emotional issue. it ought to be an emotional issue because it affects people's lives. if you want to stop the horrors on the northward track, the rape and abuse and death that occurs, then for the love of god, fund the border wall. >> laura: chris christie chief of staff? that's what we are hearing

tonight? any comments. >> i'm not going to make any news on the chief of staff announcement. however the president uses is going to be someone who shares his vision as is going to work hard to implement it and be a great selection. >> laura: thanks for being with us. have a great holiday season, merry christmas, whatever the heck you celebrate. you've heard the term death by 1,000 cuts. democrat suffered death by 1,000 candidates. frank luntz joins us. going to the best and not so good aspirations for 2020 next. and big savings. like natural reflections notch neck sweaters for under $15. and redhead stonewash canvas shirts starting at only $22.49 touch shows how we really feel. but does psoriasis ever get in the way? embrace the chance of 100% clear skin with taltz, the first and only treatment of its kind offering people with moderate to severe psoriasis a chance at 100% clear skin.

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>> we will have 30 or 40 probably great candidates running for president. everyone recognizes how urgent this moment is in the history of our country. >> laura: the concept of quality over quantity may be lost on the democrats with the prospect of dozens of democratic presidential contenders ahead of 2020. does it dilute their overall messaging? here now frank luntz to break down the emerging democratic power struggle. frank, i want to begin with what i like to call the long shots to the longish shots. >> are you running? >> i am seriously considering. >> what would stop you? >> i am concerned about the

direction of our country. >> i actually do see a path. i am considering it. >> americans are ready to climb out of this darkness. that's why i am exploring a candidacy for president of the united states. >> laura: [laughs] are we back? are they doing this because they see a path or a path to the vice presidency? speaking fees, book deal? >> i haven't seen that video. the first thing i would tell them is do not announce in front of a brick wall. you are not a comedian. this is not that comedy store. number two, get the lighting correct. it looked like he was a hostage somewhere. >> laura: what was that castro bite? >> he's no better. he's been in politics long enough to know you don't do that. i think the reason why they want to do it is you can write books. your speaker fee doubles for at least the first six months, and look at that list right there. you can't -- there is no front runner there. there are twice as many

candidates they may run for the democrats this time as ran for the republicans two years ago. >> laura: let's move on to another potential battle brewing between bernie sanders and beto o'rourke. bernie was asked about his process for another run along with his thoughts on beto? >> can a senate candidate who lost its bid win? >> is a little bit premature. before i decide i want to run, i've got to make sure there is grassroots support. if there is, i will run. if there isn't, i won't. >> laura: what are your thoughts? >> i think you are missing the most likely person at this point which is elizabeth warren. i know that may frighten you. i know it may frighten a bunch of viewers. >> laura: it's fine. >> i tell them take a look at her takedown of the ceo of wells fargo several years ago. it's a seven minute video on

youtube. i've never seen a committee chairman tear someone apart. he had no idea she he was done. she's an awesome debater. she has more grassroots support than bernie sanders dallas. >> laura: beto on the moveon.org poll, they are calling him the white obama. he is handsome. he's kind of fun, energetic. i guess he is smart. >> he is bobby kennedy. he looks like bobby kennedy. he walks onto a basketball court, starts shooting hoops. i think beto is an absolute front runner, one of the front runners. >> laura: to joe biden, someone who many think is the clear favorite food now i think is no doubt worried about these young upstarts, frank. he apparently thinks it doesn't matter who the democrats put up. watch. >> can i ask you why you are the most qualified person to take on president trump? >> no one should run for president unless they think they

are qualified. >> why is this your time? >> i think anybody could beat him. >> anybody, anybody on the democratic side? >> laura: you just pull the string. gaffe machine. >> i'm not convinced joe biden wants to run. it's a wait and see for him. >> laura: he's a little old. it's because i was bernie sanders. bernie sanders is so old, it takes him an hour and half to watch "60 minutes." >> laura: i think sanders is more fun than biden. coming up, comedian jerry seinfeld weighs in on the kevin hart oscars next.

>> laura: it's time for the last bite. comedian jerry seinfeld is speaking out about kevin hart

being pulled and dropping out of the oscars. >> when you look at that situation, who got screwed in that deal? i think kevin is going to be fine. but how many -- find another kevin hart, that is not so easy. he is a brilliant guy with a movie career. >> laura: seinfeld has long called out what he sees as a troubling trend of the pc culture creeping in a comedy. a reminder, there has not been a replacement name for hart. who wants at? shannon bream ambi "fox news @ night" team take it from here. >> shannon: laura, are you available? as i recount, right? >> laura: you would be much better. >> shannon: we will cohost, but i won't wait for them to call one of us. thanks, laura. >> laura: have a great show. >> shannon: we begin with a fox news alert bear the white house responding tightly to report that the inaugural committee is andre federal and medication. on the case for us tonight.