didn't see that coming. that's it for tonight and for the week. man, it went fast, like all good things. we'll be back monday at 8:00, the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. dvr it if you can figure out how to do that. mr. chaffetz in for sean right now. ♪ >> jason: welcome to this special edition of "hannity," trump versus the establishment. i'm jason chaffetz in tonight for sean. lots of breaking news tonight," with president trump naming mick mulvaney as his new chief of staff and earlier, special counsel robert mueller release documents in the michael flynn case. joining is now is kristin fisher. >> what you are just

referencing, the fact that president trump has named an interim replacement for his outgoing chief of staff. mick mulvaney, the current budget director, will become thr active chief of staff when kelly departs at the end of the year. mulvaney is going to have to deal with democrats taking control of the house and the t ongoing special counsel investigation. robert mueller pushed back hard in an interview with the president's former national security advisor michael flynn. a judge had ordered a special counsel to respond to the charge by this afternoon and it did forcefully. according to the filing, michael flynn as a seasonedea military officer who dealt regularly with the bureau knew he should not lie to federal agents, it also says he was tricked into lying is false. flynn has accused the fbi director andrew mccabe of. suggesting that he should not bring a lawyer to that interview, a move george washington university law professor jonathan turley called highly irregular. >> what did they get from flynn?

they got from him that he met with the russians which was neither illegal nor unprecedented and he failed to say they talked about sanctions. they intentionally didn't bring that up to him but the agents at the time said apparently that they didn't believe he was lying. mueller decided to go back and charge him. it became a canned hunt. they put this guy in a cage and they shot him. >> flynn's sentencing is set for this tuesday and he's facing up to six months in prison. the special counsel office has recommended that he serve no jail time. >> jason: also today,t "good morning america" aired a sitdown interview with michael cohen, following his sentencing for three years in prison for lying to congress in campaign finance violations among others. during the interview, cohen describes how he wants to be remembered.ig take a look. >> i'm angry at myself because i knew what i was doing was wrong, i stood up before the world

yesterday, and i accepted the responsibility for my actions. the actions that i gave to a man who, as i also said in my elocution, i was loyal to. i should not be the only one taking responsibility for his actions. one of the hopes that i have out of the punishment that i have o received as well as the cooperation that i have given, i will be remembered in history as helping to bring this country back together. >> jason: wow. the media had a field day following the interview. watch this. >> we already now know that the president has committed a felony in order to obtain the office of the presidency. >> the case has been built this week that the president was not legitimately elected. >> that is literally a check list for how a campaign finance

violation becomes criminal. >> trump is in real trouble for a variety of reasons. >> we learn more information to show just how involved he was in this conspiracy which i think prosecutors believe ultimately led to a felony. >> jason: the media is also going crazy over reports of an investigation into illegal donations to president trump's inauguration, but where was the collective meltdown over obama's second inauguration being dominated by special interest money? joining us now is fox news contributor sara carter, the author of "why we fight," fox news national security strategist sebastian gorka and the author of "of the russia hoax," fox news legal analyst gregg jarrett. he's joining us in new york. i think part of the story that's missing at this point isst whats the pretext, what was the precursor as to why the fbi would even go talk to flynn even of the administration had been

in office for hours. >> it was a faulty premise and a lie. f these are the documents filed today, and in them we learned that the fbi had a transcript of a perfectly legal conversation between michael flynn and ambassador sergey kislyak. they use that as a pretext to lie to flynn to entice him into granting an interview, to ensnare him in the crime of making a false statement even though fbi agents determinedar t the end of the interview that he didn't make a false statement which invites the question why is a guy who told the truthhe being charged with the crime of lying? that's something i hope judgege emmet sullivan poses to the mueller team of partisans. why are you charging this guy with something he didn't do? and perhaps ask flynn himself were you coerced?

did these prosecutors over here threaten to prosecute your son? did they bring such an immense, powerful case against you and you became broke and had to throw in the towel? >> jason: you've been in the white house, you were there at the beginning of the trump administration. and given general flynn's background, 33 years of service to this country and the position that he had been in and was going to be in, he had to have known in fact he did know that conversation with the ambassador from russia had been recorded. correct? >> you would think that he would know that, but let's be very clear about what he was doing. i worked for general flynn in the transition team for the nsc, after the election, the official presidential transition team. and it was our job to reach out to our interlocutors, whetherr

it's allies in nato or other countries of geostrategic importance, like russia, so the fact that he was doing what he was mandated to do as the only cabinet-level official who was not congressionally approved means he was absolutely in his lane. the fact that he misremembered the content or one specific element of a phone conversation. jason, if that is a crime, thani every single person watching this show could commit a felony when they forget what they said to somebody.si so this is entrapment of theha highest order, and the fact that they had the transcript tells you everything that you need to know. also the two agents who did that interview said they didn't thinw he was lying and the 302s disappear for eight months. this is a classic abuse of power. >> jason: sara, you do some of the best reporting on this,

these agents go over and they talk to general flynn. as sebastian gorka just mentioned, he knows he has already been recorded, he knows they have the transcript. that's part of his job. why the delay? what is this mystery about the interview which happens in january and suddenly this 302 showing up in august? >> we have this 302 in august and let me go back and say something. general flynn was the head of the defense intelligence agency, i interviewed a number of people as far back in december of 2016 and going into the first month, president trump's presidency, he was president-elect after all of this news broke and absolutely general flynn would know and did know based on his job, that phone conversations with somebody like ambassador kislyak were being recorded. let's go to the meeting, the very first -- january 24th with the two fbi agents. i was the first to report about

this, and both agents, both peter strzok and joee pietka, the other agent who interviewed him believed after they left that he did not lie whatsoever. now we see that in writing. they felt he was so forthcoming because he had actually delivered information to them that only they knew, he had no idea that they knew he had this. he was just so open about this, they went to the field office and they said we don't believe he's lying. this is straightforward, he is very congenial and talking to us. he's open with us. he sees us as an ally, and then what happened?d? we see mueller trying to take him down. let me tell you something. i have talked to a number of fbi officials, former officials, senior officials, people in the directorate of security at the state department, they said this is the most egregious abuse of power they have ever seen. as we are seeing right now, they

are investigating every part of president trump's life, his campaign. they are going after him with full force. they didn't even turn over the original 302. that august 302 is an interview with peter strzok about the january 24th interview. >> jason: you have director comey who's suddenly full of memories and experiences when he goes on his book tour, he can't seem to come up with the same n information. when he's under oath. he suddenly has his full memory on his book tour. there is an exchange between comey and yates, the acting attorney general, they are daysn into this new administration. what do you make that exchange? >> comey was hiding the fact he's going to send over fbi agents to interview, he was hiding it from yates. they said we aren't going to tell her until right before the interview and she got mad about

it, that's in today's court documents.he she didn't stop it. they lie to flynn to get the interview. they had a scheme where we're not going to tell him we had a transcript and we'll try to ensnare him into making a false statement. in the end, they didn't do that. what's really disturbing is not just lying to flynn but encouraging him not to have an attorney there and several other deceptions that are all contained in this document which is really a document ofcu corruption by the fbi.. >> jason: and i think it's going to be fascinating what judge sullivan is going to do it the first part of the week. i want to move on. sebastian gorka, i want to ask you about this. alan dershowitz has come out and said there are some things that are wrong, but there are otherer things that are illegal. mr. cohen doesn't seem to know the difference between the two. what is the role of this

attorney who wasas advising donald trump? w what is your take on what's going on here? >> this man is a scumbag. it's very simple. he's a liar. he's a scumbag. he was caught avoiding taxes on more than $3 million worth of income.. he has to make something up to save his skin. this is what he did. this is a man who doesn't understand, he's trying to paint a picture that if your client tells you to do somethingg illegal, you as a lawyer aren't obliged to tell him i'm not going to do that. he is making things up. let's remind everybody who illegally recorded his phone conversations with his clients. >> jason: sara, i want to give you the last word on what we'vej seen with mr. cohen in that interview. >> mr. cohen is trying to

reframe himself he is trying to change the american perception of him. mr. cohen is a liar, he's being convicted and as sebastian said, mueller was trying to compose using cohen. trying to compose some type of argument to find some way to indict president trump. in the end, he cannot be trusted he has proven that. he is just not worthy of being trusted and personally his attempts to try to change his image are just not working. >> jason: i thought it was fascinating that interview at one point mr. cohen says now truthfully -- and youu have to giggle and say really? thank you, you always are some of the best and most insightful, we appreciate you being here. let's move onto another important topic: the democrats finally showing some self-awareness that they have moved way too far to the left and maybe, just maybe, they have overreached. watch this. >> the weakness of the republican party has let the democratic party, i think,

get further out than i think the majority of the people want. there is plenty of opportunity for republicans if they just pause and look at the world as it really is and try t come up with something in the tradition of lincoln and eisenhower. >> i think one of this mistakes that we make as a party is spending too much time talking about the gender thing. we are a party of all kinds of people. and white men, white working-class men have traditionally been a huge part of our party. we have lost a lot of them. and one of those reasons is we have a tendency to talk maybe too much about gender. >> i wish, i wish that the press would spend a lot more time on what we need to do here to meet the needs of the american people instead of morning, noon, and night allegations against the president. the justice department,

the mueller investigation, they will work their will. but there are other things going on that are newsworthy. and i think you would have morek viewers and readers if you addressed concerns that people had rather than just this ongoing, ongoing coverage of what's current with the president from one day to the next. >> jason: whoa, mainstream media, you know it's bad when nancy pelosi is criticizing you for doing too much over there on the left. joining me now for reaction, former obama economic advisor austan goolsbee and radio talk show host larry elder. thank you, gentlemen, both for being here. larry, i want to ask you, when you've got pelosi governor brown, moonbeam brown, and claire mccaskill making the case that the left is going too far left, the media's paying attention to things that really don't mattern what is your take on it? >> when you have governor jerry

"moonbeam" brown lecturing the democratic party that they've gotten too far to the left, maybe, just maybe, they've gotten too far to the left. this is a governor who probably thinks global warming is a bigger peril than al gore does. he wants single payer. he wants a bullet train to nowhere, and he's lecturing democratic party that they are going too far to the left. i think it's a sign of the apocalypse. regarding claire mccaskill, this is a woman who's saying we've gotten too much involved with identity politics. when she first ran, she said george w. bush let people die on rooftops during hurricane katrina because theyey were poor and black. it was outrageous. she played the race card then, and maybe her saying that we play the gender card too much means for the first time, democrats will stop lying to women and telling them falsely, as they do every single year, that women make less money doing the very same work that men do. they say that women make $0.87 on the dollar compared to menth for doing the very same work, they say all the time to gin up

anger against the republican party that doesn't want to raise the minimum wage. s it's a lie. maybe they'll stop doing it. one more thing too real fast. you have jerry brown and claire mccaskill, both no longer going to be in office. that's when politicians start getting really, really honest. >> jason: that happens on both sides of the aisle, i can tell you that. austan, when you have pelosi, you have mccaskill, you have brown, do you agree with them or disagree with them? is the left going too far left or are they wrong? >> you had three different statements in there. i thought nancy pelosi's statement, i did somewhat agree. if the media is going to spend all of their time talking about mueller and investigating the president and not about giving health care to americans or protecting the aca or talking about policy, i agree with pelosi. i am really surprised that you guys took comfort from what

jerry brown said, because the whole context of jerry brown's interview was him saying the republican party has gone crazy and the president is so far outn of line that it doesn't provide any check on the democrats, and so it unleashes more extreme forces within the democratic party. but the whole context was about the republican party.es >> jason: i don't think i find comfort in governor brown. do you think they are going to take their own advice? these 80-plus investigations the democrats have already announced. you think they're going to do that and impeach the president?? we've got just a minute. >> they are going to do investigations. i hope the president didn't commit crimes. if he did, he's going to be in trouble. they are going to do policy in addition to investigations. >> jason: larry, what's your thought? >> what austan is saying is the democratic party has moved too far to the left because

republicans won't move the way they want them to move. i'm really confused. >> that's what jerry brown said. i didn't say that. >> i didn't say you did. but your analysis is he's blaming the republicans for it? explain that to me. >> jason: thank you, gentlemen, it's fascinating to me to see the democrats can control the house, suddenly they want to change the subject and talk about that, because republicans have done an awful lot of good policy along the way. thanks for being here. more trouble for the clintons,f congressman matt gaetz and andy biggs from arizona. more breaking news, a federal judge has just struck down obamacare. what is that all about? more after this quick break. about?

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♪ >> jason: welcome back to this special edition of "hannity," trump versus the establishment. joining me now with the latest update on one of the president's most notable establishment foes hillary clint, and the ongoing investigation into her private email server among others, fox news trace gallagher. >> hillary clinton initially objected and refused to answer questions about clinton mail.com her private email system but after district judge ordered her to do so the former secretary of state submitted written answers which have now been acquired by the conservative judicial watch. in her answers, mrs. clinton says the system was set up inst 2009 by an aide to her husband and it was set up for the purpose of convenience. but judicial watch president tom fitton says it's not credible to say the email was for convenience. fitton reminds us that district judge royce lambert once called

the clinton email issue one of the greatest modern offenses to government transparency and ordered additional discovery into whether hillary clinton's email was instead an attempt to shelter documents and stymie the freedom of information act. financial experts who filed a whistle-blower complaint against the clinton foundation have not testified before the house oversight committee confirming the fbi does have an open andn ongoing investigation into the foundation. the tax and financial forensic experts also claimed theyin obtained thousands of pages of documents on the clinton foundation containing evidence of pay to play, financial crimes, and showing the foundation operated more like a family partnership than a nonprofit. that same oversight hearing blew up and the financial experts refused to turn over 6,000 pages of documents they say back up their claims. that prompted g.o.p. oversight chairman mark meadows to warn them that his patience is running out.

and breaking right now, a federal judge just ruled the affordable care act, or obamacare, is unconstitutional because without the individual mandate, the penalty that mandates you haveth insurance, the law is invalid because it cannot pay for itself. >> jason: thank you. president trump reacting to obamacare ruling, writing "as i predicted all along, obamacare has been struck down as an unconstitutional t disaster. now congress must pass a stronga law that provides great health care and protects pre-existing conditions. mitch and nancy, get it done." joining me now with reaction, florida congressman gaetz and arizona congressman andy biggs. i served with these two gentlemen in the 115th congress. it's good to have you on tonight. i do appreciate this. i want to start with andy biggs. republicans are soon to be in the minority in the house. how do you keep all of these republican-led investigations

going or are they just going to be dismissed and they're done withll it? >> the only way we can keep them going since they're going to pull the plug on us from the democrat side is to use investigations they promise they are going to open up to our advantage. we see things like the ogro hearing, the subcommittee hearing, where we start looking at what was going on today withe the clinton foundation investigation, and guess what? huber wasn't there again.ay one of our responsibilities is going to keep pushing the doj to make sure they respond.n' even if it's the democrats that are holding hearings on thee trump administration or trump officials, we have to demand the doj and fbi provide transparency in the documents, becausest i think when those come out, we are going to find, just as we see in the clinton foundation scandal, that there is ample evidence of pay for play misuse of funds, co-mingling of funds. >> jason: this is an important thing and the cohesiveness that

can be there between the house and the senate working together. in the senate, they are the majority. matt gaetz, you have been instrumental and aggressive in these investigations. what do you think has to happen next? >> andy biggs just laid out how huber didn't show up toha the oversight hearing, so we don't know if he's doing his job or not. what we do know is that congress isn't doing its job. jim comey is coming back in on monday, and i think that is a smoke screen. we want rosenstein.t we are hungry for rosenstein. and the leadership is feeding us jim comey bite by bite. the reason we need to hear from rosenstein is he knows the plan to wiretap the president and potentially remove him from foffice. >> jason: why hasn't it come up? >> i can tell you why.te i can tell you why. our leadership knows the first question we are going to ask rosenstein is which members of the cabinet he was speaking to to potentially invoke the 25th amendment and run the president out of town. some of those people may still be serving in the cabinet, and i

think they are doing everything they can to make sure that in the final days of republican control, we can't ask rosenstein who he was talking to and who he was scheming with to undermine and potentially end the presidency of donald trump. i want those answers. the american people want those answers, and jason, your bookhe "the deep state," lays the premise, lays the foundation for the fact that this stuff actually happens. with the democrats in charge, we are not going to get the answers, and that's why we need to have rosenstein before the republican-controlled judiciary committee. >> jason: andy, who else -- congressman biggs, i should say. >> you're good, jason. >> jason: that's what we always called each other when we were there in the halls of congress. nevertheless, what else can you do in these last few weeks? is there anything else congress can actually do to getet accountability in the last few weeks? >> matt's exactly right.. we have to request, push, everything we've been doing -- matt and i have been doing to

get rosenstein in there. we can start answering some questions and from there, c we have to rely on the senate. the senate is going to have to continue. we are going to have to continue by pushing the holes in the democrats. it's going to be tough. >> jason: do you believe there should be a second special prosecutor? >> of course there should be. >> yes, yes. >> jason: both of these gentlemen are in favor of a second special prosecutor. i need to ask you about a former colleague of ours, the congressman from south carolina, mick mulvaney, who's the head of the office of management and budget, today being tapped byou president trump to be the deputy chief of staff. your thoughts on mick mulvaney? >> i met with mick mulvaney over at the white house today. we were talking about other budget matters. mick mulvaney is a workhorse. he knows these spending issues inside and out. he also understands the intricacies of the oversight process that you previously led, jason, so having him by the president'ss side during these difficult

times shows the importance of a wartime consigliere. mick's going to do a great job. i think the president made a great choice, and i'm excitedlt that we have a true movement conservative. someone who really believes in m the conservative movement and believes in the president fighting alongside our president for the great agenda of the country. >> jason: your thoughts, andy biggs, on mick mulvaney as chief of staff. >> he's smart and articulate and one of the things i love about mick is he doesn't suffer fools gladly. he's going to tell it like it is and make sure the work gets done. he's a movement conservative. he's going to go withe the president's line and help the president achieve his agenda. we need that. >> jason: my own experience with mick mulvaney. he is tenacious. he's a tenacious irishman. he did serve on the oversightie and government reform committee, he is an expert in the numbers, heading up the office of management and budget. he had the support of theht speaker and a lot of others. he is very close with the whole delegation, the south carolina

delegation. he ran for the republican study committee, a committee that was chaired by jim jordan, by mike pence, others. and he lost to a guy named bill florez. i think a lot of people appreciate mick and i think we are all excited to see him as the chief of staff to the president. he will bring a lot of conservative voice. congressmen, thank you forhi joining us on this beautiful friday night. the left politicizes a tragedy on the border. you won't believe it. later, sean hannity's exclusive interview with outgoing u.n. ambassador nikki haley. we'll be right back.

>> jason: welcome back to this special edition of "hannity," trump versus the establishment. sadly we are learning more about a 7-year-old girl from guatemali who died at the border earlier

this month after being apprehended with her father and others in the remote desert of new mexico. she reportedly was without food and water for days during the treacherous journey and according to a new report her father did not alert authoritien to any health issues until eight hours after they had been apprehended. now department of homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen reacted to the tragedy earlier today. take a look. >> it's heart-wrenching. my heart goes out to the family, all of dhs. this is a very sad example of the dangers of this journey. the family chose to cross illegally. what happened here was they were about 90 miles away from where we could process them. i cannot stress how dangerous this journey is when migrants choose to come here illegally. >> jason: sad, no matter how you look at it. democrats are rushing to politicize the tragedy.yo for example, senator richards blumenthal is putting blame onnd

the "people and practices" of the u.s. government. joining me now for reaction, gopac chairman david avella and fox news contributor richard fowler, who is here with me in studio. thank you for being here. i have been fairly critical of democrats and their messaging to those that would be applying for asylum and making the march fros central america here. what do you tell those people t who maybe do want a better way of life? do you encourage them to come north or do you stay say put? >> we have to come up with some sort of compromise. we know guatemala, nicaragua, and honduras are three of the most dangerous countries on earth and all they want to do is taste the american dream just as generations did at ellis island not so long ago. we've got to find a balanced approach to solve this. we need t to increase our border security but we've also either

go to work with these governments t to make their countries they pursue people can stay there. or we've got to hire some more immigration judges to go through the asylum claims a little bit quicker. >> jason: frankly, i think the message should be stay in your country of origin.o go to the embassy, apply for the different visas. that's the moral message that should be there. that's the problem. i get the sense that democrats are saying come on up and apply, david, how do you see this situation? >> never forget thes democrats nominee for president in 2016re said in brazil she couldn't wait until there was no border. you have democrat after democrat who have cosponsored legislation that ultimately encourage sanctuary cities that want anla open border. what they focus on is a u.s. that has no border and they are not really focusing on a

few things that richard said that were spot on. we've got to look at the problems in the origin countries and what we can do to put pressure on them to improve their economic conditions and w quit bellying up with foreign entities that ultimately want to do damage to the u.s. >> i will give you the fact that we can work to solve the international problem. with that being said, i think the idea that democrats want open borders is just not true. the fencing act we passed in 2006 -- >> jason: pelosi said shect thought the wall is immoral. do you think the wall is immoral? >> i think it's ineffective. >> jason: would you tear it down? >> there's fencing but there's not the wall. i>> think the fencing we curreny have is fine. we have drones. we can hire border patrol. there's other things we can do to secure our border besides building a wall. this is what's going to happen, people are going to get a higher ladder. a

and cross over it again. i think it's ineffective to say we are going to have a wall that's going to solve all our problems. >> jason: we have seconds remaining. david, what do you think the message should be and what is going to happen with a shutdown that is pending? >> the message is we need to know who is entering this country. the president and congress need to focus on the fact that americans want border security. it's as simple as this. it's a winning message for republicans. it's the right path for america, and to the last point i was making, we have these foreign dictators down in south america who are cozying up to russia, allowing fire jets ti come in there. and if we don't think this is a major national security issue -- >> jason: thank you. we have a 7-year-old girl who has died and she should have never, ever made that journey.ve that should be the message. don't make this journey. t it will kill you.

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>> jason: welcome back to the special edition of "hannity." in october, u.s. ambassador to the united nations, nikki haley, announced she would be resigning her position at the united nations at the end of the year. yesterday ambassador haley spoke with sean sean about her time at the u.n., her working relationship with president trump, and much more. take a look. >> sean: joining us now as u.s. ambassador to the u.n., former governor nikki haley is with us. ambassador, good to see you, congratulations. i look over at the last two years and what do i see? we saw what's happened in north korea.

jerusalem is now the capital of israel. it's now been moved to its proper home. we watched isis being shut down. the iranian sanctions have been put in place and seem effective. american strength abroad has never been stronger, but you have a front row seat, so am i right? >> america has found her voiceow back. it's a good time for america and the world. for some countries, that's a good thing, and for some countries, it's a bad thing. for americans, it's a great thing, because i think what we have basically seen is that it's time for us to start talkingat about what we believed in and what we didn't. when i came in, they had just had a cuban-sponsored resolution that was anti-america that basically blamed america for everything. and the united states abstained on that vote. i came in after they did the anti-israel bias and instead of standing up for our friends in israel, we again abstained

on our vote. this is a new day and a new time where we don't abstain. you know exactly where the united states stands. you know what we are for. you know what we are against, and you know where we are going. there's a lot of moral clarity for the united states now, and i think countries appreciate that we are now very straightforward. >> sean: i watched an interview and you talk about your relationship to the president. it sounds to me like it was a good cop-bad cop routine. you would use whatever the issue was, you would use his strength. he would go out and be combative. it seems like the world leaders believed him when he said something and you would use that in your negotiation.it explain how the dynamic worked. >> well, i think the only thing is i didn't make him out to be the bad cop. what i said was this is where the president is. unless we get this done, i can't promise you where he's going to go because he's upset and we need to move forward.nl the president and i have a great

relationship. it was a great partnership. we respected each other. i let him be him. i turn around and just used his unpredictability as an advantage because it is. for many who say people don't know what to expect from the united states, that's not a bad thing. i used that as leverage and as ways of getting us what we needed and he was always great in making sure he never let anybody get comfortable. i always thought as a great working relationship -- >> sean: did you come to find that? may be good cop-bad cop was a bad phrase. maybe the way to say it is he likes to keep everyone on his toes and he knows exactlya what he is doing.ay that's what i have discovered. do you agree with that? >> absolutely, absolutely in every way whatsoever. his strong point really is communicating to leaders arounds the world. and i would always tell the president and strongly r believe if you get him in front of any world leader, he wins them. he completely wins them.

if any world leader threatens the united states, he puts thehe absolute fear of god into them. for me, it's the reason our foreign policy is so strong. it's the reason why we have been so effective. the president has said very clearly what he will do and what he won't do, but most importantly he stood by it. when he said if they used chemical weapons, there would be a price to pay and then he followed through with it, that said a lot to the international community that you can't take this president for granted. >> sean: what's funny to me is if nato doesn't believeor we might pull back on some of our -- we pay $0.72 of every dollar and the president's challenging them to pay more -- if mexico and canada and china and our european allies, if they don't believe the president is really going to -- there's really going be consequences ase it relates to trade deals, they'll never negotiate. i think there's a force and a wisdom sort of like "the art of the deal."

and i know everybody gets panicked. i think there was a lot ofe pac over little rocket man. my button is bigger than yours. and fire and fury. we now have an opportunity ofe having the entire korean peninsula nuclear-free. >> i'll tell you, look at nato. now all the countries are paying more, so what he did worked. when you look at north korea, it was that rhetoric combined with general mcmaster at the nsc at the time calling different countries, telling them to expel diplomats, not allow them to have embassies -- all of that work allowed for us to get those sanctions done at the united nations. while people didn't like what he was saying or how he was saying it, what it allowed me to do was say he's being honest. he's very truthful. we need to pass these sanctions or i can promise you if there is a threat, he will respond. >> sean: i agree with you

about the saudi arabia situation. i find people have been far too simplistic in their analysis.it it's far more complicated than that. i believe he is responsible, in my heart, i think the evidence will show eventually if it has not already, i don't have access to that kind of intelligence -- but there is also other things. we have to look contextually through history. we had to align with stalin in world war ii to defeat hitler, a mass murderer. but we did. i look at the emerging alliance of the united states, israel, the saudis, jordanians, egyptians, emirates against iranian hegemony as maybe a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to thread a needle.g it is frustrating they did this. i've been probably the loudest critic against saudi arabia for years. treatment of women, gays and lesbians, persecution of christians and jews. i don't know the answer, but i

think it's far more complicated, especially believing they did this to khashoggi. >> it's a very complicated situation, but it is one that can be handled and can be solved. first of all, if you have saudi officials going into a saudi consulate, the saudi government is responsible, which makes mbs responsible, period. that's just what we know. secondly, our united states principles, values will not allow us to give them a pass, and we shouldn't. and i think the president made a good first step when he sanctioned the 17 individuals. i think we need to continue to have harsh conversations with the saudis about how this doesn't fit the means of international norms. it's not accepted by the united states, and we can't continue to partner with someone that continues to brutalize people in this way. i think we have to decide what accountability is going to look like for them. at the same time, when we talk about the houthis in yemen, when we talk about hezbollah in lebanon, when we talk about iran and their role in syria, we

cannot look at saudi arabia and not see that they have been such a good partner with us on that. so there are two different avenues we need to take and both can be done, absolutely. this is a fine line we have to walk. we just have to do both. they have to know where they stand on -- where we stand on what they did, but we also have to be able to go and say okay, how are we going to continue to push iran back from all of this terrorist activity? >> jason: we'll show you part two of that interview on monday, she'll talk about russia and what is next for her. next, perhaps the most outrageous thing joy behar has ever said. that is a high bar. we'll show you the tape. it's up next.

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welcome back to this special edition of "hannity." the view's joy behar is back. she is proposing sending oren hatch of utah to jail. >> i have this clap of oren hatch. what he said to the reporter, the president, michael cohen they might have committed crimes. the president is doing a good job. we have a senator from utah is saying i don't care if he committed a crime. he has nothing to lose speaking truth to power about trump. >> i think favors have been done. it's complicated. >> but he also won a -- >> that is all the time we have

left this evening. the christmas season is here. if you are looking for the perfect gift to give to the political junky to your life, may i suggest my book. my thanks to sean hannity for allowing me to sit in this seat. have a wonderful weekend. "the ingraham angle" is up next. >> laura: this is a very busy news night tonight from washington. we begin with the curious case of michael cohen. and a meeting with the case of horrific amnesia. he sat down for an interview with his new best bud former bill clinton senior adviser george sntephanopoulos and offered this christmas hope. >> the country has