we look good as a reindeer's. maybe we should go back to that karaoke bar and do a little song. >> we are talking about stormy daniels in that playboy bunny as her chief witnesses. if you want to make that the centerpiece of 2019 be my guest. do you believe everything the president said on the subjects? >> know. he's always under siege.

it's what he does that matters. bill clinton lie about having sexual relations with that woman. i think most people are blindsided. he knows a thing or two about investigations that can veer out of control why he thinks this one could be doing the same. and do you still think that michael flynn lied? the chairman said you don't know the whole story. the explosive exchange. where is all of this going. are you ready for a government shutdown.

as the border wall really worth shutting down the federal governments. and an apology not accepted and ms nbc host. they thought over the top. count the u.s. ambassador. have he is here to explain why today. then i want you to meet the chief of staff for now. is that just the kind of measure that the president needs right now. and the answer is yes. the reason for that is donald trump. it could be just the guy happy that they are with us for the very latest. it starts right now.

>> it looks like the president has a new chief of staff for the time being. a crucial juncture for the president. let's get right to it on the day that we are learning that ryan is thinking as can be stepping down as a interior secretary of the united states. it doesn't slow down at pennsylvania avenue. >> no such thing as a slow saturday here. someone who is known as been an important figure. and quite a few rollbacks associated with it. particularly when it comes to things like public lands. over the summer and the interior department launched an investigation into a real estate deal by involved the foundation set up. it is is backed by the chairman of halliburton.

they reportedly referred that to the department of justice. the administration is going to announce the new secretary of the interior sometime next week. the president did not say whether he resigned or was fired. after having served for a. of almost two years. and they thanked them for the service to the nation. all of this comes on the heels on the other staff change. the top choice did not come to fruition. mister trump announced that his budget director will take on the role as acting chief of staff. he also appeared to try to tempt down some tamp down some of the rumors that people said. for the record there were many people who are wanting to be the chief of staff. since before the 2016 midterms

with have to purchase here and now the department of interior. thank you very much. the fall out after fallout after special counsel said that documents exactly what happened. in those documents the special counsel really pushes back against accusations that they acted improperly. an interview with michael flynn. in that interview was a basis for charges against him. and that he lied to the fbi. the newly released documents confirmed those claims that the agents never informed flynn that lied to them was a crime. as a report known as a 302 of that meeting it states that

before the interview fbi did director decided at agents would not warn flynn that it was a crime to lie during the fbi interview because they wanted him to be relaxed and they were concerned given the warnings that might adversely affect reports. as a former head of an intelligence agency. patient had needed to be warned. even though agents didn't believe he was lying at the time it doesn't change the fact that he did lie about the contacts with russia's ambassador. they are scheduled to be sentenced on tuesday but it's possible with these new filings that the judge could delay that hearing and a special counsel's office is recommended no jail time now due to his cooperation. >> the president's former top lawyer. we asked lindsey graham what he makes of all of this.

>> of violating the law but from trump's point of view. he is a non- disclosure agreement before. >> i don't know. it doesn't have a thing to do with russia. i'm not excusing it. but we are talking about mac in the playboy bunny as a chief witnesses. if you want to make that that centerpiece of 2019 be my guess. help me with the senator. one of the things that's come up. he insists that he did not say what he was reported that hush money payments aren't a big deal but if donald trump did initiate or tell michael cohen to write those checks would that be a big deal to you? >> it would be a campaign finance violation in theory. they have never been used to impeach anybody. obama failed to report that.

i'm just saying what's the big deal to me. did they collude with the russians. and if he did it i will put everything else in perspective. if you want to impeach the president over the stormy daniels thing you can't if you choose to we tried this with clinton and it started out with some bad business deals sexual harassment lawsuits are always about that. you don't want them undermining the legal system. that's what it was about to me. if you think that this is a worthy of impeachment in the house go ahead. i think most americans want to agree with you. do you agree with everything the president has said on these subjects. he is always under siege he is saying this one minute and that the next. it's what he does that matters. he is like every other person. bill clinton lied about having

sexual relations with that woman. i voted against that article of impeachment because i think most people blindsided would lie to protect their family. about having sexual relations with that woman. i voted against that article of impeachment because i think most people blindsided would lie to protect their family. neil: the first is on the hush payments with michael cohen and all of that. they authorize them and that's a problem. what you think? >> as lindsey graham said that may be a problem in theory, but prosecutors don't bring cases about theories. they bring cases they expected to win. this is a situation that you have the former chairman saint he doesn't even think this is an expenditure under the campaign finance laws. you imagine him being an expert witness at a trial. at this all played out i don't

think any responsible prosecutor would bring a criminal felony case over this. i really don't. >> do you think it could be used in concert with other things. they have said that the hush money payments are no big deal. it depends on whether in this particular case whether campaign funds are not were part of trying to influence the election outcome? >> i think is a problematic theory for all the reasons that they had pointed out. i think that's a difficult one for all the reasons also that we found out in the prosecution in theory it is a violation. i think the president is correct if in theory it's a violation ordinarily they would be handled civilly. they try to make this out to a felony violation of the law. when just because they pleaded

guilty to it doesn't mean that. and even if it was at the president's direction does show that the president have the intent to violate and even if they thought it was a violation unless they have a discussion in neither the president said it happened nor frankly does michael cohen say it happens where he provided advice to the president. if we do this this is a violation of campaign finance laws. i don't think that conversation probably happened. and unless a prosecutor before a jury in a criminal case can can convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt that that happened they lose. prosecutors responsible prosecutors don't bring cases that they can't win.

and i think this is such a situation. i think lindsey graham is correct in theory. that's about as far as it goes. his lawyers are telling the judges involved in that case that he was essentially set up. do you think he was? >> i think if i was the president of the united states and i found out after the fact that jim comay snuck to agents into the white house unbeknownst to the white house counsel and chief of staff in order to ask michael flynn questions about which investigators already knew the answers to because they have the transcripts and i found out that that happened later on that alone would have been cause it to fire the fbi director. i don't know what was going on here. but what i do know is it looks like they were trying to gain additional information to be used to try to get michael

flynn out of the national security job. and after the statements were made we know the rest of the story. sally gates then went to the white house counsel and said give a problem with michael flynn as he hasn't told the truth my take on all of that i don't know what was going on and i don't know michael flynn personally but they were out to get him. >> he did lie. i think i disagree with that is entrapment. i also great that there is no question that michael flynn and someone in his position should know better. i don't condone the conduct. but i do know that it was a trap for the unwary and i do know if someone like jim, he have pulled a stunt like that in my administration that would've been cause to get rid of him. the former whitewater special prosecutor. the house ways and means share.

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neil: we could be looking at a shutdown in a few days. it would be the third under this president. maybe people are getting used to it and they're not making a big deal about it. the house ways and means committee. chairman, very good to have you. the administration seems to say this is worth the fight the funding for the wall. do you think it is. is this worth shutting down the government to get it.

the fight for national border security specifically is the right one to have. no one believes our borders are secure and the illegal crossings are up dramatically from a year ago. these are dangerous elements. i'm not a fan of government shutdown. they found this out. when they did this earlier this year. how unpopular it is. here is a couple of things. they have come down dramatically. from the 25 billion-dollar request for this border wall. the big questions here. i think the incoming speaker nancy pelosi is in a pickle. the democrats who beat republicans pledged to run a centrist government solution oriented washington but, for her to become speaker she's really sort of sold her soul to the most extreme elements.

if we do have a shutdown and with many other colleagues in the house not coming back until wednesday how long do you think it last. i hope it doesn't happen at all. i really don't think it needs too. i know this from the white house but the president has been insistent. our borders are not secure. he is exactly right. and i think he has given grounds. in order to try to reach the solution. i hope that continues to be the way. i do think it takes both parties trying to find some common ground here. it didn't work out for them while either. let's find a common ground. that is now going to be the acting chief of's death. it could be longer than that.

a number apparently turned down this job. mikel mulvaney is really an outstanding individual. on budget and tax reform and other issues as well. he is a tireless worker. he is no is no baloney here. he says it the way it is. i think that's why the president likes him. i think he also can frankly handle as you know a number of tasks at one time. he has a lot of skills that are needed for that position. i'm glad he stepped forward to it. it never is. do you think the president will listen to anyone now. >> i do think the president listens. he juggles a lot of things. his strong feelings and opinions anyway. my experience with him.

he doesn't always agree on issues for example on trade. we have disagreement. he doesn't listen and process it. he may come to a different conclusion but that is okay too. why the administration is zeroed in on mick mulvaney. >> a lot of structure to the white house it was needed at the time he came in. and certainly i think he did an incredible addition to the white house. the president is looking for someone that believes in what we are doing and believes in the policies. they were actually referring to the outset there. i have a sense from that in the beginning that she was talking about maybe it wasn't a team player. do you feel like that's the case. i know i can in the areas that i intersected the most on on tax reform on trade and economic issues. helped put together and

facilitate some meetings. my experience was nothing but positive. protests are going on for a fifth straight weekend. what is going on in europe the latest from the ambassador from germany. s parents and thene his boo forever. oh. there are multiples on the table: one is cash, three are fha, one is .a so what can you do? she's saying a whole lotta people want to buy this house. but you got this! rocket mortgage by quicken loans makes the complex simple. understand the details and get approved in as few as 8 minutes by america's largest mortgage lender.

>> this is going on in paris right now. there are protests again the president of the country has already tried to ease it up. it is not helping matters any though. there are a lot of workers who

feel the powers that be are ignoring them. i want to raise that with our ambassador to germany. there is a bit of a delay on her feet here. i apologize to you and certainly the ambassador. it seems like much of europe can get out of its own way. the protests seem to get on and on what do you make of them? clearly there is a lot of dissatisfaction in france. and even here in germany. i think they are for different reasons. every single country and the people within those countries are voicing their concern about different issues. i think that's okay. i think democracy and leadership go through a time of change i think that's a

long time and people are looking for new policies in france. i think it's clear that we can't have protectionist policies we have to have free and fair trade we have to believe in capitalism. i think people don't want to take the brunt of policy programs that are clearly and not geared towards them. there is dissatisfaction that arises. and we see them throughout europe and throughout the united states. they have since apologized for disparaging remarks she made about the secretary of state. and the allegiance to saudi arabia saying that he was a wannabe dictator. she has since said those words are wrong. she went on to say that it was vulgar i knew it right away. it was a terrible choice of

words. please allow me to say this face-to-face. accepting apologies we all fail. i don't see that you've actually apologized the overall lgbt community. and the colleagues for using it. they said it was a mistake. what you think. i was very glad to see her apologize. the comments that she made were extremely troubling and deep-seated not only against the secretary of state but against the community. i was personally offended by that. i did not see an apology. i'm glad after two days she did come out and she did make a very simple apology.

i think we have to judge the apology and i'm very glad that she did a sincere apology. i think now we can move on. >> is it tough for you to move on? i am an imperfect person i certainly don't judge people on falling i judge people on getting back up. and i think that's really important. i don't want to equate this to being a cancer survivor. but i do have to say that what you learn when you're faced with physical challenges. we are all human. we all fail. and it's always about getting back up. i'm glad to see when people make mistakes they on the mistake. and they move on. we all learn from that. that's exactly how we should treat it.

it was too beholden. today side. in accepting that they have nothing to do with the murder of jamaal khashoggi when in fact almost every bit of intelligence indicates that they were very much involved in it. does that disturb you that we haven't needed more punishment for the southeast. to withdraw its support for the saudi's in that war in yemen. >> i'm never going to criticize talking heads or journalists for criticizing government officials for policies if they would've head that criticism exactly the way you put it we won't be here talking about those offensive remarks to gay people. i think we should stick to

policy decisions. a lot of room for people to join in and criticize and push their government towards a tougher line or softer line i think that the president's policies are exactly where they should be. he has a allen's a whole bunch of issues. he is to balance our relationship in the middle east. we have to have solid relationship with the saudi's anyone that doesn't think that we don't need a solid relationship didn't really understand the middle east. i think these are comp located issues. and we should be able to have a dual track. we should be able to speak very clearly about violations when someone is a violating human rights as we have seen in this particular instance we call it out. and we are very clear on that. at the same time you don't always had to abandon policy

with that country. i think you can push them privately and publicly to do more and to have an overall better relationship with the united states. on that count they disagree with you. they disagree with president trump with him he mostly agrees on. his view was it is unequivocal. as long as this prince is in power we shouldn't let it should let it go by. you say? i think the evidence is clear. and it's very frightening. we have to get to the bottom of all of the facts. and whoever is responsible must be punished there is no question about that. very good seeing you. i hope you have a merry christmas. we a lot coming up here. if i trade you the china and

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we want to take you live to paris right now. the one in the yellow jackets are not the authorities they are the ones trying to get away from the authorities. with some government efforts. in this movement as much of the french people don't really like it. they are still suffering

mightily. and they want to do more. those folks in the yellow yellowjackets are up against the authorities that be to say what they've done is not enough. apparently it's not enough. one of the many uncertainties waiting on the market. what do you make of that. the uncertainty of the mueller probe. mix in the fact that we have confirmation that the numbers were coming out of china. it could be slipping into at least a slowdown. they are slowing in the likes of france and germany and spain and italy and on we go. let's get the read from the foxbusiness deidra bolton. a lot uncertainty here. it is now everywhere. talk about the mueller probe.

when the market is strong and i'll think it matters much. you have a fragile market now. they just contracted and is the engine of europe. i think they are to be contracting over the next couple of quarters and it feeds on itself. i think they only had 14 trillion-dollar economy. that is not just slowing. i think it slowing markedly. we are going to bear a market here. something is not respected. a sense that you're getting from traders china itself is in trouble. when you start talking about that trade tensions there were

areas where they were in to feel this more the u.s. we are fine. china well feel it more. we are so interconnected all of us now. with this one to punch of china slowing which it clearly is. from our analyst here they are seen the same thing. and then the euro zone pmi which speaks to manufacturing. and that was that multiyear low as well. no matter how great our businesses are here. we are trying to sell all of those places are step. it's not great for our business. and say if they are hurting money has to find a place and would find a place here. those are the reason the interest rates have come down. a lot of it is money that is coming out of the weaker

foreign markets. there is an article in the wall street journal. it's basically what happened to japan in the 80s. they have the trade imbalance with them. they were copying some action stuff. we brought on the value of our currency and that was the bubble. and there is probably some fears now that could be china's future. actually the government is investing more like directly. they have some more tools. i saw that article. and it was a little bit spooky. i see the biggest problem is every country around the globe mr. golden opportunity was with strong economic growth and that's to work on debt and deficits. instead they bloated them.

higher and higher enabled by the central banks who i think our just completely insane. and when the economies are turned down guest but happens. they really start going up. and that weighs on markets also. it provides a headwind for the economy. a lot of bonds in the united states that were above junk have been downgraded into junk over the last two or three months and i think there is a lot more to come because of that. we are the ones that have tightened too much. the president noticed that the rates were going to high. and that's when we started this bear market. and then all of a sudden the sudden the mortgages went to high. it started a lot of problems. they were in stimulus mode. we might have overreacted. it was his mistake. it's the one that got rid of that.

he did put the federal reserve in a tough position. they're gonna look like they were trying to fight that. they cannot do anything right. i think they have already gone too high. i think they have already gone too much. and maybe they scared people with the flat. if 2% causes big problems here. we are in trouble. with two a on the tenure. europe is still a negative. and that is an issue as we move forward. we will take up this and other issues coming up in the next couple hours. this is something that they had try to get a handle on. it's probably not working. the protests are continuing. after this. i switched to geico and saved hundreds.

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these protesters are still out in force in paris. this is the fifth straight weekend we have seen this. it was expected to die down. look, i've been giving you a do over on this. i'm gonna try to make sure that the things that you're upset about which are already among the world's highest with a surtax. with the climate change and the like. that is not enough. you gotta do more. you have to see more. in the middle of all of that. is our greg paltrow. >> i wish you were here with me. it's cold and rainy and we are with police and the cameraman. they had been playing have been playing a game of cow and -- cat and mouse one group of protesters gathers in one place we are right across from

the loop. were also at the opera. these police up and down the line come to the location and try to corner them. it is not as strong as we saw last week when it was a very violent in a couple of sectors. there has been at least 60 arrest today no word on any injuries. they are not happy yet with what they are getting from the french government. earlier this week they came up with a group of concessions to try to appease these protesters they are for getting rid of that. they say is out of touch with the people. protest here we have heard of various teargas operations and basically the police are trying to nail this down. trying to avoid the real violence that we saw last week.

as you will note the economy of this country is not in great shape. and this is already cost them billions and billions of dollars the weeks and weeks of protest again, i think the government will be pleased it's a little bit less strong than we've seen in the last couple of weeks we are going into the holiday season now. so maybe there is can be some bit of break. it is cold. and hostile. certainly very hostile to the government is about a government product. are we dealing with something that could be similar to healthcare. were kind of doing at the same the same thing with that law. the key a funding vehicle in question. both parties at odds. after this.

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visit right now or call during business hours. obamacare itself is unconstitutional. you have to get. it's not why. it can no longer be sustained as an exercise. in the back-and-forth continues with the future of healthcare and obama care. who do you think of what happens now? >> it's going to be appealed and it's going to be an ongoing battle for quite some time. the individual mandate was

already struck down. it wasn't technically struck down. i think it is unconstitutional. i'm surprised it actually pass in the first place. even though i don't know ultimately if it will be an up been struck down or not or if it will even make it to the supreme court. it's going to be flamed through political presents. the republicans are going to say millions of people will save money now in in fact the statistics chose that the folks that gained insurance coverage were primarily folks that gained through that financial medicaid plan. basically what it forced them to do in the individual market who could lease a for this. the government compelled them to buy insurance policies that effectively were overpriced for what they needed and the

entire thrust of the president's arguments. and it provides for things that they don't necessarily need. >> if you are watching right now obamacare still exist. please register and senate. the same five justices are still sitting on the court. it's their decision that will be the same. but what i'm struck by is the republicans that are rejoicing in this and that people wanted to maintain pre-existing conditions. a number of republicans went out there next relied about their long-standing position

on pre-existing conditions in order to get people to vote for them. what this judge has and is called all of that work that those republicans who were smart enough to pivot into question because what are they going to do now. >> they lied about it. they are on the record. that they want to repeal and replace obama care. they will have another plan. we always wanted to protect the pre-existing conditions. after you lose 40 seats in the house and healthcare as a number one issue. they have always been for everyone having access to

insurance that they can afford. that includes allowing states that are best at taking care of the local citizen street. they can be better provided for. they really dropped the ball on this. they have the house and the senate. all they did it was a fight fight fight over this. >> if it did get to that. what would happen. the five justices that voted to protect it are still on the court. we shall see. and there is no way of guaranteeing that vote.

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>> all right. did michael flynn, the president's former national security advisor, lie or was he kind of trapped into lying? that's really the debate right now. 24 hours after flynn's lawyers were effectively trying to tell a judge, our client was forced into a situation he shouldn't have been forced to in the first place and the problem with that are prosecutors and more specifically bob mueller. bob mueller essentially said there's no entrapment. he lied to the vice-president, he lied to the chief of staff at the time reince priebus and liar, liar, his pants on fire. welcome to the second half of cavuto live. this could turn out to be a key

crucial area in the mueller investigation, where it's going and what the prosecutor is hinting at in comments he made in defense, in defense of the actions that he has taken against flynn and indeed others. it's an issue i raised with devin nunes on this subject of when a lie is a lie. >> he still pled guilty he lied to federal agents. he admitted that he lied. i don't know if there's a "there" there. and clarifications where the investigation is going. quoting here, nothing about the interview was arranged object conducted caused the defendant to make false statements to the fbi. are you saying that's not the case? >> look, i am very familiar with what was said at that time and i have been briefed. a lot of this was classified.

when you're having several calls and long conversations with people and later interviewed 45 to -- 45 days to 90 days later about this, and you don't remember a piece of your conversation, you know, look, did you forget about it? is it a lie? i think the whole thing's ridiculous. this is an embarrassment for our country to be-- a three-star general like this, a war hero, to be exactly what he's supposed to be doing, talking to the-- >> let's be clear, congressman, you don't think that general flynn lied because he said-- no, and neither did the agent. neil: so he agreed and said, and pled guilty to lying. >> yeah, that's right, and look it. at the end of the day, you know, he was being, i think-- i have not talked to general flynn, okay? but the guy had to sell his house. he was out of money.

neil: no, i understand that, but-- i know how much you honor a guy and praise a guy and a great military and illustrious career, but he admitted he lied and he told investigators he lied, and that's just the reality, right? >> right, but it's also called entrapment. so if he lied-- or if he admitted he lied to end the investigation so he didn't-- >> no one had a gun to his head though, sir. you know what i'm saying? >> well, neil, if somebody comes to you and takes your house and all of your money and your retirement, and you're out of money and the prosecutors say, well, you know, you could admit to lying, neil. neil: that's not what happened though. >> that's exactly what happened. neil: no, you could admit to lying. you're saying that they actually said that and set this up so that he was forced to say what he said, when, in fact, he had agreed to what he had said and acknowledged what he had said many times. >> i am only-- this is only my personal

opinion. neil: all right. devin nunes yesterday. alan dershowitz, a harvard law professor today. alan, without getting too much into the weeds, where do you think this whole thing is going and what the mueller folks seem to be indicating by saying they didn't entrap anyone. >> well, first, i think that everybody is asking the wrong question. they're asking did flynn lie or did the fbi act improperly? the answer to both of those questions is yes. flynn lied, he shouldn't have lied. he wasn't made to lie. but the fbi acted improperly. do we really want law enforcement to go around engaging in morality testing or truth testing of everybody, bring people in a room, don't need a lawyer, relax, it's a nice conversation. they know the answers to the questions because they have the transcripts in front of them and they give you an opportunity to lie, flynn lied, okay, i'm not defending flynn, but i think

every civil libertarian should be concerned about that tactic of law enforcement, which is widespread and which judge elliss condemned, what judge elliss was saying is what mueller is doing is trying it find low hanging fruit, figure out every way to get them to commit a crime, it's their fault that they commit the crime and then squeeze them so they'll sing or compose. welcome to how special counsel operate. so the question is not about flynn, it's about the fbi. now, it is conceivable when you have two fbi agents didn't seem to lie to us, and he knew they had those transcripts. what would his motive be to lie? it's conceivable that he had momentary forgotfulness and that's possible. nunes is right about the pressure, the pressure to plead

guilty-- i said from day one, that he could win this case. why did he plead guilty? they threatened his son, and took away his stuff. and 90% of people because of the pressures to plead guilty-- >> but not at the time of the lies in january of 201. -- 2017. >> there are two points. neil: the reason i want to raise the distinction, in making the comments and responding to them, the mueller team the court should reject the attempts to minimize those to the fbi and flynn knew saying that the russian ambassador at the time was being recorded, so why the big fuss in the first place. i guess what i'm asking you, is how does this advance team flynn's ball here. i mean, what happens now? >> well, it doesn't advance flynn. i think in the end, flynn did what he did. there are two issues, did he lie

at the time the fbi, answer is yes. could he have told the truth, yes. does the fact that he pleaded guilty prove that he's guilty? absolutely not. he pleaded guilty because of the enormous pressures on him even though i think he could have won the case. he could have won the case because it's not a proper function of law enforcement or of a grand jury to ask you a question that they know the answer to. their function is to get new information. but if they already know the answer and ask you the question, it's for one purpose om, to trust your morality, to test your truthfulness, that's not proper function of a grand jury and a lot of americans would say to themselves i don't want to live in a country where that morality test is imposed on a citizen on a daily basis. if you're going to commit a

crime. the fbi shouldn't suggest you don't need counsel and then squeeze you and get you to sing and that's not way that they should operate and every republican and democrat should be concerned about this. if the shoe was on the other foot, hillary clinton's people, every civil libertarian would be up in arms. but today they're applauding this technique. neil: all right, thank you. and emanuel cleaver, the prominent democrat, i'd be remiss if i didn't ask you to address what alan cher dershowitz has said and there should be more house investigations as a result. what do you say? >> well, you know, the professor and i probably disagree. he knows obviously much more about law, but when you become a lieutenant general, when you're the national security advisor, you're working with fbi agents, you're working with people in

the intelligence community and you know that you can't lie. when i was mayor here in kansas city, some of the people in the administration got into troubl . fbi agents came into my office, and asking questions, i know i've got to tell you the truth about people who i knew and most people, you know, out on the streets -- you don't have to be a crook or guilty or anything to know you can't lie. i don't know much more about what happened during that interrogation with the general flynn. you know, i would hate to believe that he was just, you know, badgered and beaten into lying and really, felt like i've got to lie. i hope that's not the united states. neil: you know, congressman, it occurs at a time when michael cohen gave his first television interview with george stephanopoulos on abc, and

michael cohen is going to jail for three years for essentially hush money payments to two women. now, he claims that the president forced him into that, that the president says just the opposite telling our harris falkner he never told him to do, that is michael cohen, anything illegal. but there's a lot here on the table and many of your colleagues are eager to start investigations, inquiries to look into all of them. do you think that should wait for the ultimate mueller probe findings to come out or get them going concurrently? >> well, first of all, i have been opposing, in fact, yesterday, the top of the fold in the kansas star, emanuel cleaver opposes impeachment, and along with a newly elected person from across state lines. i believe that we need to have the mueller investigation completed. i think it's absolutely ridiculous and even stupid to

want to impeach someone before the investigation is over, while at the same time you're seeing we need to protect the investigation. now, i do think that that it's an oversight that probably needs to be done. i think from what i have heard from speaker-to-be pelosi, she does not want the committee chairs moving into let's impeach donald trump. i think the public elected us to do some things for them. on the stage after i won reelection my speech was, i was not elected to go to washington to try to impeach donald trump, but to work for you. and that's what i've been hearing from most of my colleagues, not all of them. but i do think that the oversight committees are almost unavoidably going to have to look at some things. mueller-- mueller's investigation should come first. in other words, i hope that adam

schiff, i believe he will, as a judiciary will always coordinate with mueller to say, you know, should we bring this person in? is this going to interfere with the investigation? nothing should interfere with the investigation that mueller is doing. neil: so when adam schiff says that is the type of behavior that prompts someone to go to jail, i'm paraphrasing, don't you think that's a little bit much? >> yeah, i mean, you know, i think that he's a former prosecutor. i think sometimes when we all get into these situations, we begin to talk in ways that could be interpreted a number of ways than some of the ways you want. neil: you don't do that and at great risk to your party. you don't play that game. >> well, i try not to. i try to also not do that when i'm talking with my wife either. [laughter]

>> that's far more dangerous than doing television. neil: tell me about it. and congressman, i want to touch on something that's near and dear to you, the future of the affordable care act, the obamacare, aj a texas judge shooting down people having to buy the insurance. that takes away that underpinning. are you worried that this whole thing is going to get shot down? >> well, i am worried, yes. and i think others ought to be worried. you know, i think most of the people around here in the midwest campaigned that they believe that we needed to maintain the-- some portions of the affordable care act, particularly those portions that are getting 90% approval ratings in poll data, you're still on your parents'

insurance until you're 26 years old or you have that option, that preexisting conditions would be protected and so forth. and so i think if it goes to the supreme court as i understand the ruling, the entire bill, act, would be invalidated based on if the supreme court voted as is uch. so -- such. so all of that would be gone and we have to start from scratch. a lot of people would be hurt in the meantime because putting a health care bill together we've been trying to do it since the nixon days, frankly all the way back to roosevelt and so, i'm frightened that if the supreme court rules that the texas ruling was congressional, or in harmony with the constitution, then you know, we are going to lose the whole nine yards and we'll have to start over and i don't think that people are going to want to do that. neil: we shall see. congressman, i hope you have a

merry christmas. >> you as well. neil: all right. emanuel cleaver. a quick peek at what's going on in paris. the protests go on even though emmanuel macron has done everything in his power. and this is the result of big government. is this the start of something bigger? after this. fisher investments tailors portfolios to your goals and needs. some only call when they have something to sell. fisher calls regularly so you stay informed. and while some advisors are happy to earn commissions whether you do well or not. fisher investments fees #

>> he did it, he knew about it, it couldn't happen without his knowledge. i'm not going to forget it and come down hard and if we don't, we're opening pandora's box. neil: if the president doesn't move on this and stood by the saudi prince and yesterday you hear saudis want to curtail oil production. >> there's flooded the market. neil: and lift the price. that's a heck after thank you to the president who is standing by

them. >> number one, they're going to sell oil or starve. >> and weapons, i'm worried this guy is crazy enough to kill a journalist in turkey, why would you give him weapons he may give to the russians or chinese. as long as mbs is around, i'm not dealing with those relationships. neil: you wouldn't do anything. >> no, they need us a thousand times more than we need them. they would be speaking farsi in a week. neil: did you tell the president? >> he's the president. he's got to think about it differently. they talked to bush, and the obama administration, we went ahead and sanctioned iran. and the president is relationship about the strategic relationship being important.

he is a wrong that mbs, that we can ignore what he did. it would sunday cut the relationship. neil: it sounds like he will not do that, the president. >> the congress will, we'll stop the sales of saudi arabia equipment until something changes until the people who are accountable for killing this man are actually held accountable. neil: there is a divide between the lindsey graham republicans, and others, getting away from the support of the sawed ris-- saudis in the ongoing war in yemen. where do you think this is going? >> it's interesting to see. the senate voted to cut off support for saudi arabia as they're waging the conflict in yemen and the houthi rebels backed by iran. the house says we are not going to do anything. nothing will happen until the new congress and new senate are in place in january and see if it's brought back up. point blank, the administration

needs to go to mbs in saudi arabia and say, that was stupid, don't ever do it again. our strategic relationship is too important to both of us, we must preserve it, but by the same token, this can never happen again. and that said, we've got a thousand dead americans at the hands of iranians because of ied's in afghanistan and iraq. where is the anger there and umbrage there and you hear nothing out of congress. that's why the american people are upset about it it's hypocrisy getting mad over one thing and not the other. neil: do you worry, congressman, if you tell someone, don't ever do this again-- imagine if you told your kid, don't murder someone else and go to your room. and it's laughable. and lindsey graham and a host of others are saying we don't do business until he's out of there. that's a slippery slope. a lot of republican senators and many democrats agree and we will

have a democratic house soon, could force the issue. >> the democrats agree because it's something that president trump wants to do. the republicans are doing it because they're outraged by the violence and horrific nature of this human rights act against this reporter. that said, you have to remember, saudi arabia is the only counter balance that the united states really has in the middle east. all the other small of gulf cooperation countries cannot stand up to iran say lone. our relationship with saudi arabia is strategic in nature. you can have that conversation. it gets done off the press quietly and we make sure something like this never happens again, those that were involved must be held accountable in a public way that is going to satisfy people, but by the same token, we cannot just cut off weapons and walk away. that's grandstanding on senator graham's part and i think he knows that. neil: senator, thank you very much. >> thank you, neil. neil: the irony of the situation

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>> all right. whether you like the president or dislike the president, when it comes to the saudis he's supported them and had their back even though many in their own party and i've been telling you about lindsey graham on this very show, he cannot agree with the support of the saudi prince, that the saudis were behind the killing of jamal khashoggi "the washington post" journalist,

columnist. what does the president get for standing by the saudis, they're going to lift oil prices, ie, gas prices for you, ie, american taxpayers. how is that for a thank you to the president of the united states. joining ujonas max ferris and gary. what do you think? >> they have no choice. it's not that oil prices have dropped from 76 to 51. it happened in two months, it's somewhat unprecedented and they're not ready for it, they're being crushed. they'll drop 800,000 barrels a day and russia getting wiped because of this, 400,000. i thought they would have done it two weeks ago, they're saving themselves. i don't think it's going to have an effect. neil: whatever they did it's

given back. >> the reason the price tanked is the president kind of possibly tricked russia and the saudis pumping up oil production because iran was coming off the market with more aggressive sanctions and the sanctions weren't that aggressive and all of a sudden there's a glut of oil before the midterm elections and oil prices collapse on top of-- >> you're cynical. >> they're-- it looks like he tricked them into lower the price-- >> i'm not blaming the president. here is where you want to give the benefit of the doubt, the saudis, i'm not saying it's in response to the view of the saudis yay or nay. it's a heck after thank you. i'm surprised the president hasn't tweeted or commented on their decision to raise oil

prices. >> and the last one, that he asked them to keep the taps on. >> it's a smart move. neil: jonas's cynical-- >> he got them to pump the oil. neil: he didn't make them think he's a super friend, look, don't think about doing anything to raise oil prices and-- >> he was, and it worked and again, look, it's a tough situation. the public doesn't like how the middle east-- >> bottom line, it doesn't work. >> i think the waivers came in, too. neil: isn't the bigger issue just a slowdown? that's what's particular datpar- dictating the market. >> oil supply, inventory numbers are at record highs in general. russia is pumping more. everyone is pumping more, essentially, so i think there is an overfly and most the time when you talk to traders, okay. neil: is that a reflection of just an economy across the globe, you know, slowing? >> the demand is slowing down

and we're at record lows in this country about how much energy we use and with petroleum products so you have basically a triple whammy. i don't think opec has nearly the power on price that they had years ago. neil: oh, sure. >> and that's the story behind all this and i think maybe we can jump, but i think we're down for the count on the-- >> independence, we're pretty much there. >> a couple of months ago when interest rates were going up, everyone thought the global economy was picking up steam and a lot of hedging gambling in the oil markets leverage, thinking $100 and all of a sudden we're in flat yield curve mode and a lot of factors took in effect. three months ago we were in a booming global economy, let's not forget that. why the price was high, but a lot of gambling and people used the futures markets to make bets on future economic growth

because the price will climb fat if we get a hot economy. neil: you're not looking at us benefitting the world's woes? >> no, listen, we're not immune at this point in time. i think right now we have issues, also. remember, we have been talking about a lot, the debt and deficits matter when the markets come down. simple as that. neil: thank you. the robust, happy dancing view of the world here. in the meantime, do you think it is worth shutting down the government over about three and a half million dollars? is that the difference between democrats and republicans over this wall thing. i want you to meet a wall who says, yeah, it is. after this. when the mailman delivered to the north pole? and we all had a front-row, shoulder-top seat at the parade? let's get back there. santa's wonderland at bass pro shops and now cabela's has what we've all been missing. with all kinds of crafts and activities your kids will always remember. even a picture with santa

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>> all right. we could be days away from a government shutdown. lisa, as the president stakes his reputation and border wall funding. he wants 5 billion and they're looking at 1 1/2 billion the

democrats. and i want to get the read from former acting ice director tom holliman. you think it's worth a fight? >> when the president took ownership, full responsibility for shutting the government down over this border issue, i applaud him for it. i think it's an important issue ap he's the president. he's doing the right thing. neil: it's actually $25 billion complete something like this, it would be a down payment. if the democrats are coming back, and you pointed out that they were for this earlier in the year and now against it. if 5 billion is a problem and more is a problem. >> take it year by year, the democrats voted for a border barrier in the past. i don't care if you're republican or democrat, you look at the facts every place where built a border area, border

wall, san diego, yuma, and there's a decline in illegal immigration and drugs coming across that corridor. it's proven 100% effective. what is the down side on securing our border? what's the downside? every representative on the hill should protecting his country and doing their sworn duty and border ball is a part of it. neil: the fact it's a wall and not a fence. and many are coming back, it might be hypocritical on democrats who are concerned about a deficit when they weren't when their party was leading the show. leaving that aside, what do you make after moving target for this thing, that it could be expensive way beyond what we're talking about? >> you know, i'm not intoed weeds on the cost. some places are a wall, some places technology. some places natural barriers like flood zones. if you look at the total cost of illegal immigration, the ice

budget is near 8 billion dollars, cost of detention, cost of immigration judges, cost of board of immigration appeals, cost of appellate cards. the cost of immigration in this country is far more than the cost of this wall. i think it's well spent to save money down the road in the life cycle. neil: i'd be remiss if i didn't mentioned death of the seven-year-old girl in the authorities hands and many are pouncing on this, using it sort of as a stick to make their point. what did you think of it. >> i'm glad that you've asked the question. i've done speeches on the enforcement, and holman is, and when you entice people to come into the country illegally, more people will die and more people will put themselves in the hands of criminal organizations that don't care about them.

border patrol rescued people. and when you entice people to make the dangerous journey, unfortunately, people die making that journey and i feel very badly about this little girl, but the border patrol agents did the best they could in a very tough situation. the girl was in bad shape when she was apprehended. neil: we don't know how things could change, the interior secretary leaving at the end of the year and john kelly leaving at the end of the year, mick mulvaney replacing him. and kirstjen nielsen a confident and and worked with john kelly, she's rumored next to go and you're rumored to be her replacement. >> yeah, i heard that rumor. neil: do you want to talk about it? just between me and you, no one is hearing. >> here is what i say, i worked for kirstjen nielsen for a

while. she's working very hard. she is the secretary now, a recognized secretary. she's working hard and i think she's doing some good things on the border. . i've been with kirsten on the hill trying to shut down the loopholes. she's in the job and i support her. neil: so the turnover at the white house, do you make anything of it? i know the media pounces o63% turnover, a regard. maybe the president is a tough guy to work for, some in private and public life. would that ever dissuade you? >> no, i support this president. i've worked for six presidents. i think that this president has done more for the border and safety. and huge lost, john kelly, american patriot and american hero, the guy that talked me coming out of retirement the first time, but i think we have a strong president and i think he's right on this issue.

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>> welcome back, everybody. johnson & johnson is denying a report out claiming the company knew its baby powder contained asbestos for quite a few years. let's get the readdown from deirdre bolton. >> this was a huge story you saw on friday. down 5%, wiped out close to 40 billion for j and j's market value and made up for 20% of friday's drop. the stock's worst say since 2002 when it reported on products.

that's a long time. reuters reporting that j & j had as asbestos in the baby powder and worked to keep a quiet. from 1971 to the earlier 2000's and claimed that executives and money managers and doctors and kit ap caboodle were an i wear that sometimes the raw powder tested for small amounts of asbestos and they target j & j's plan to target regulators and limit science research on the talc. and j & j calls it an absurd theory, and i published two lines that count in my mind. the reuters article is one-sided false and inflammatory. thousands of independent tests boo i regulators in the world's

leading labs proves our baby powder has never contained asbestos. you've got to believe one side or the other. conte contextual purposes, j & j, that it would cause ovarian cancer, a jury ordered them to pay more than 4.5 billion dollars, a class action, 22 women and their families, a judge affirmed the verdict in august. j and j avowed to appeal it. they're one of the most widely held stocks and in the community it's pragmatic. jp morgan put out a note saying the price drop was overdone and nor a long-term, perhaps by the stock on monday and does the math the exposure to the talc

wi will-- and 40 billion they lost on friday, and not putting a dog in the fight. if you look at $40 billion market cap even if j & j is sued more they're not going to pay it. neil: more than the others itself. >> friday it dropped like a stone. neil: thank you, debra on all of that. a shutdown could be coming on all of that. a shutdown could be coming on both parties are lining up to say don't blame us, after this. he's already married. livin' large? livin' with his mama. entrepreneur? unemployed. oh! and here we see the artist making an attempt to bare his soul. it's just a gray dot. yeah, you can get a mortgage that avoids pmi, but there's no way to avoid mip on an fha. hey! now the ... this'll help. rocket mortgage by quicken loans makes the complex simple. right? understand the details and get approved in as few as 8 minutes by america's largest mortgage lender.

>> clearly there's a lot of dissatisfaction in france. there's a lot of dissatisfaction in the u.k. and even here in germany. in france, i think it's clear that we can't have protectionist policies. we've got to have free and fair

trade and trade policies. we've got to believe in capitalism on i think that people don't want to take the brunt of policy programs that are clearly not geared towards them. neil: all right. our ambassador to germany talking about the protests that have been going on all day. things are a little quieter now along the champs-elysees in paris, friction over a government big enough to give folks what they want, but the problem is paying for it. and we can with me, kat and jessica, and nan. k kat, how far can governments go and how does it play out? >> what's interesting, it seems to be playing out in favor of the protesters. they've gotten some of what they want. it's interesting because it doesn't happen in the united states. the reason for that, there's more wii widespread support for

the protesters. 60% of people in france support them. and in the united states, you're annoying, you're blocking traffic and-- >> and all the protesters sound exactly like that. >> that's my protester. [laughter] >> and they have a french accent. neil: they do. >> i was practicing in the green room, but didn't get it ready in time. >> the nature of what they're protesting is in this case, these are people who feel disenfranchised. they do-- as you mentioned, neil, and you're right. they live in a society in which entrepreneurialism, enterprise, that allow us to rise and be independent, has been overwhelmed entirely by a enormous government structure and can't impose on them. and we are going to take care of climate change by taxing your gas. why are we the ones constantly

required to pay for it? in this country our street protesters tend to be arguing for more government imposition. neil: you know what's interested in all of this? and the poll numbers of all leaders, interesting whether you're talking macron on merkel in germany, or theresa may, their numbers aren't what donald trump's are right now and these are the folks snickering the last time he was in europe. i do feel like it's upsidedown world right now. >> they have fair and free elections and-- >> you're not implying that we do not? >> no. but people will have their day to vote them out if that's what they choose to do. macron is at 26%, if you follow the news like we do, you would

think he had 100% approval. >> and with nancy pelosi, we have to get-- we're having a nancy-free day now and i so loved her last week, but it's important about that, and correct to point out this is something going on all over western europe. and in this country they have organized labor on a larger level. they have societal benefits, better education for all, health care for all. >> u-- they have enormous unemployment. neil: we might follow them if we shut the government down. and somebody has to take the blame for it and. >> and the democrats. neil: where does that go? where does that go? >> where does it go, the shut down? i don't think that trump will take that. but supporters won't care, he's doing it for border security ap

for the wall. the republicans haven't in the past. neil: and nancy pelosi laying it out along with chuck schumer that that would be a bad move and i'm wondering with politically. >> and he admitted no matter who is responsible for the shutdown, the republicans are to blame for it, that's the way it works. neil: and didn't last long. >> it didn't last long and republicans are the ones that use that term. and democrats remember know you, nancy pelosi fact president trump to his face and president trump saying i'll take the blame. i'll take the blame here. neil: two things are what-- wrong with what you're quoting from other shows you've been on. >> this is the only. neil: and this attended to look at republican analysis. i wonder if we're sadly getting used to it and no one cares? >> i was in congress and we all

know, neil, there's a lot of cynicism rightly placed. a lot has to do individual districts expect certain things of members of congress, they want their members of congress to bring home benefits and the bacon of the when that occurs on a mass scale then we tend to be satisfied as taxpayers. we're paying for bloated, unefficient government. >> can i add, it loops back to the first segment, health care. the number one issue for republicans and democrats. i think that the president, who has spoken in rah much more calming way than a lot of republicans saying i want to make sure that people have entitlements, could move off the immigration talk. i know he's never going to give it up and couldn't see that happening. >> and it would be more intelligent to talk about things that the american public said was the number one-- >> i don't see democrats giving it up either. >> the borderwall? >> they're just going to be just

as stubborn insisting no funding for the border wall. >> 1.6 billion and it's a baby fence and that's it. neil: mick mulvaney coming in as acting chief of staff. what do you think? >> i think he has a great relationship with president trump and that's what he was looking for, that loyal guy. there's a tape coming out saying he's a terrible americ person. >> and that's hilarious. >> i know mick personally, brilliant, dedicated. may i make a point? mick mulvaney the only chief of staff confirmed by the senate and since he's not giving up his position and-- >> it's an oval office. neil: you're always a hater. and we'll discuss more after this. was pregnant, in-laws were coming, a little bit of water, it really- it rocked our world. i had no idea

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best for last and puts the drama in and the potential government shutdown to the test. as you can see it's the 15, 6 # -- 16, 17, the 21st the final day when the united states government to shut down. that's kind of what we wanted you to know that we're working on. you're welcome, america. fox news continues. >> a day after a texas judge strikes down obamacare, president trump calling on congress to pass a, quote, strong law that provides great health care and protects preexisting conditions. this while democrats vow to appeal the ruling. leland: interior secretary ryan zinke out, joining the growing number of members leaving. and the president announces mick mulvaney will be acting white house chief of staff once john kelly leaves at the end of the year. >> and there's still no deal in