listen to podcasts. general at the trail is now. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." the left would very much like you to stop talking and thinking about bad decisions i've made -- they've made over the years they have been profiting from. shut up, they are screaming. but first, the trump administration is trying one last time to get funding for that promised border wall on our southern border. the president says he's willing to shut down the government in order to get the first 5 billion in construction money. over the weekend, senate minority leader chuck schumer promised that will never happen

under any circumstances. >> president trump should understand there are not the votes for the wall in the housee or the senate. he's not going to get the wall in any form. >> tucker: he is not going to get the wall.ge notice the pronoun schumer used. he, donald trump, cannot have his wall, says the senate minority leader. but what about the rest of us? the other 325 million people who live here? turns out we can't have a wall, either.he aut wall is just too expensive. in fact, it's wasteful, says -- and brace yourself for an icy blast of comedy here -- the democratic party. >> i asked the people at customs and border protection, what would it cost to have scanners to scan all the vehicles coming in? they said $300 million.t that's a far cry from 5 billion and a much more effective way to have a secure border. >> most of us, speaking for myself, consider the world immoral, ineffective, -- the wall immoral,

ineffective, and expensive. >> to spend billions of dollars on an immoral, ineffective, and expensive wall. >> don't waste billions of dollars of taxpayer money in order to build something that will not make our border more secure. >> border security is enormously important, but i think building a wall is a very costly and inefficient way to do that.re >> tucker: oh, so mr. math guy, bernie sanders, says the border wall is "very costly." okay. how costly is it precisely? get your calculator out. here are the numbers. the estimated cost of a border wall is about $25 billion, it's estimated. so let's say it's twice that. that would still be a tiny fraction of the price of thete pointless stalemate we are now waging in afghanistan. that costs about 45 billion every year, not even including the vast human cost. compare that to the 25 billion needed to restore national sovereignty with the wall. hmmm. and yet, and this is strange, nobody in washington seems to be

upset about the price of the afghanistan debacle. a lot of people are getting rich from it, and that's maybe that's the difference. you also hear endlessly and usually from people who live in gated communities that the walls just don't work. but if that's true, if they really don't work, so why has congress been happyua to help pay for border barriers in jordan, tunisia, and israel?d nancy pelosi says walls are immoral, and yet for some reason she's not flying to jerusalemm o lecture the israelis on how they are wasting u.s. aid building walls that don't work. israelis know how effective walls are. that's why they have them. israel's wall on the egypt border almost completely halted illegal immigration from that country. a in fact, by some measures, completely. not one person came over once they made it taller. turns out that there is a limit to the height of ladders. the truth, as you know and as usual, is precisely the opposite of what they are telling you. the left fears a border wall precisely because it would work and could keep working long after trump leaves office,

and that is why, when pressed, invariably they fall back on their signature argument: racism. border walls are racist. >> the president went to the heart of what i call his brown menace theory. these migrants, they are dirty people. they bring disease. >> this border wall thing is about controlling the browning of america. >> donald trump is fixated on the southern border, as he was b the day he announced his campaign. it's not about securing the borders. it's about xenophobic, racist, bigoted beliefs. >> he believes -- and unfortunately maybe the facts will bear this out, his base is scared of anyone who is not visibly white. >> tucker: his base is scared.ct they always say that. they're scared, the right. they cling to things for comfort. it's just projection. look around. who is angry? who's yelling? who is hysterical?

the left.ok permanent washington and their servants in the media, they're the ones who are terrified. they don't want an honest debate about immigration or a lot of other mindless policies they've been benefiting from for many years. they hate trump for forcing a debate on any of this. they hate you for agreeing with him. tough. here to talk about it anyway is richard goodstein, an attorney and former advisor to bill and hillary clinton. a and he joins us tonight. so i can't get past this. anything that trump -- any conversation trump enters becomes about trump. and because the media are so dumb -- all the smart kids go into finance and the dumb ones go into media --- they are mesmerized by that. they can't get past it. but no one is debating the actual policy of the wall. which is so interesting to me. it's too expensive? 25 billion is too expensive by the democrats' calculation? how does that work? >> well, the fact that the democrats in 2013 in the senate put $40 billion into border security and got not only every single vote of democrats in the senate but 14 republicans, including lefties like lindsey graham, marco rubio and orrin hatch.. as to the israel analogy...

>> tucker: yeah. >> these people who areio migrants, who are seeking asylum, are coming from honduras or wherever because they have seen their kids' throats slashed. people are trying to get over into israel to slash the throats of israeli kids. that's the distinction. >> tucker: no, no, no. actually it's not the distinction. >> how am i wrong?g? >> tucker: i'll tell you how you're wrong, 'cause you're talking about the wrong wall.he there is the border wall that we have debated a lot in this country and what used to be called the occupied territories in israel proper. there's also a wall at the southern part of the country that separates israel from egypt, and over that border were coming tens of thousands of illegal immigrants from africa.nt yes, africa. they weren't fleeing persecution.ha they were economic migrants. and they moved to tel aviv, and the people there didn't like it. the working class people didn't like it, and so they built f a huge wall. and nobody in the democratic congress has a problem with that. it was an immigration wall to keep out africans. but that's not immoral, becauset why? >> again, i think the fact is, like every country and including democrats, we have to protect sovereignty.

but we also have -- >> tucker: can i just be clear? because i don't want my wordsud to be taken out of context. i think it's great that israel protected its sovereignty. i'm not criticizing israel in any way, but i'm not calling walls immoral. so how can you criticize our immigration wall but not israel's immigration wall? >> well, again, i'm not saying it's immoral. i'm saying that they serve different purposes. the fact of the matter is, the africans that came into israelor saw themselves as part of the 12 tribes. >> tucker: no, no. these were from sudan. these are not the ethiopians. this is just -- it's an immigration thing. people in poor countries want to move to rich countries. i would too. i don't begrudge them that. i would.ou i would do exactly the same as every person in that caravan, and i mean it. but i'm not in the caravan. i'm an american. it's my country. and i want the best for my country. so what is the best for the country? and why is a wall not? so i'm honestly confused. >> again, israel besieged in a way that americans are not. now i will say this. donald trump, to the point that all the people were making that you were deriding.

he will have an other. if he gets the wall, it will be something else. it will be terrorists of this color or that color through election day of 2020. >> tucker: i don't care. but it's not about trump. you know what it's about? all this border security hasn't worked and we have tens of millions of people living here whose names we don't know. they are using fake ids and they're living in our country, and it's a disaster, so let's di something that works. >> since i talked about this with you last week, "the washington examiner,"" not a left-wing publication, said that i.c.e. deportations were lower under donald trump than under barack obama. >> tucker: okay, then that's trump's fault. i'm not here to defend trump. i'm here to ask why we can't have a wall. and i don't understand. the walls work. they work in israel. they're way less costly than a lot of other dumb things we do, including the war in afghanistan and democrats are against them because why? i don't get it. >> the fact is republicans have been in control of the house, the senate, and the white house for two years. why would december 17th -- >> tucker: i agree. okay, you got me on that one. [laughs]ld you got me on that one. >> for once. >> tucker: you know what, you are right, richard goodstein.

we shouldn't be debating this a week before new year's. it is their fault, i agree. thank you. the resistance to defending our border is in the domain of one party, as richard goodstein just pointed out correctly. chuck schumer sets on sunday. a faction of republicans won't do anything to defend our southern border. watch. >> even the house which is majority republican, they don't have the votes for the $5 billion wall plan. they just have to have the guts to tell president trump he's off on the deep end here and all is going to get with his temper tantrum is a shutdown. he will not get awol. >> tucker: he won't get a wall. and the truth is, nobody in washington, literally, nobody is for the wall.. and that includes everyone in the federal bureaucracy. voice of america, taxpayer-funded broadcaster, it's a news outlet. you would think at least they would be willing to support border security, but no. a recent piece attacks the

governments claim the criminals and terrorists can enter the u.s. through our border, it's a demonstrably true. in that same piece, they describe the center for immigration studies as a hard-line and anti-anti-immigration group. they only have that makes them hard line is that they support decreasing immigration. so do most americans and the citizens of most countries polled. stephen cameron is the director of research and he joins us tonight. is there any hope for movement when every person in the whole city, from paul ryan to chuck schumer to voice ofve america, they are all -- trump's own employees are against it. >> it's true. it was one of the things that made him win, and yet when you look at it religion otherhi things, it isn't that big of a deal to spend the money on the wall. there are other things we would need tohi do, and yet, elite opinionel is just dead set agait the idea for the most part. you are right. it makes it hard.

>> tucker: i noticed that no activist group on the left is called a hard-line. they are always moderate and you are hard-line? >> i think that's done to be derogatory. to be honest with you, i've been called worse. it's pretty mild, but the bottom line is, most americans want our law enforced and they want as -- immigration laws controlled. and they want a lower level of legal immigration that's what we argue for. not k no immigration. we argue for enforcing the law and reforms in our system. it doesn't make us hard line. but you are right, people will use that label in an effort to delegitimize which is really a position held by the majority of americans. >> tucker: we've been running into this. have you noticed that, sentiment and emotion, and you are right, trying to use name-calling to suppress debate rather than engage debate. >> sentiment and emotion, using name-calling to suppress debate rather than engage in debate.

there are a few on the right to do that but it really is a left-wing phenomenon. they preferred to impugn the motives. argue the people would like a warm moderate pace of immigration or the laws in force, they say they are motivated by racial animus in order to suppress debate. it's very important but it is what's happening. >> tucker: how do you get closer to the solution if you can't have an honest conversation about it? >> that's a fair point. my organization, we basically crunch the numbers. we mostly provide data and we just provide basic information.c i think that's the best way to go. b >> tucker: i think it is, too. and by the way, i have no idea what your politics are. you could be a hillary voter. i don't care. thank you. we talked a lot up on the show about the threat to free speech. it turns out it's very real. last week we interviewed a man named honaro lopez.

he is an elected official. he's exactly the kind of person you would think a lot of american journalists would want to talk to. for months, the media have demanded the migrant caravan from honduras must be admitted into the united states. once it gets here, they have told a us, our country will be greatly improved by its presence. that's how immigration works. okay, it turns out we can test that hypothesis. that very same caravan, the one they've been telling you about, is now encamped in tijuana.ut it's been there for weeks. simple question. has the caravan made tijuana better? lopez would know the answer, as his job is to represent the citizens of that city. we've invited lopez twice to ask about the caravan and here is some of what he told us. >> it seems that somebody is cleaning up garbage. is there a lot of trash there? >> there is a lot of trash. it grew to 6200, and so we got another, it's a big concert hall.

you can have 10,000 people under a roof. >> tucker: that was on december 3rd.ha ten days o later, we invited loz back onto the show to see how tijuana was doing. nobody else in the media seemed interested, and that couldn't really be used to attack donald trump. the press moved on to the next dome shiny thing. we were interested. here is what lopez told us.d >> things aren't getting any better there. they are probably getting worse. that weekend we issued an ultimatum that are camping out here on the street, that are blocking the street. they are trashing the street. problems are going on and there has been like 280 arrests. before, it was only for drug possession and being drunk in the streets. now it's breaking and entering homes. >> trashing the street, doingg drugs in public, breaking intot'

homes. that's not at all what cnn promised us. was lopez one of our white nationalists that "the new york times" was warning us about? did he make it up? possibly. or maybe, and this was our conclusion, there could be a lesson here for the united states. here's what we said that night on the show. our country's economy is becoming more automated and tech center. it's obvious that we need more scientists and skilled engineer engineers.bu but that's not what we are getting, instead we are getting waves of people with high school education or less. nice people, no one doubts that but as an economic matter, this is insane. it's indefensible so no one tries to defend it. instead, our leaders demand that you shut up and accept this.st we have a moral obligation to admit the world's poor even if it makes our own country poor and dirtier and more divided.

in a fast evolving economy, it could be preferable to import omore engineers and fewer people with low skills, no matter how nice and well-meaning they might be. and we assume they are. that's what we said. that was our claim. it's hard to argue with it. nobody on the left argued with it. the left said we have a moral obligation to admit the world's poor. that's what we said. it's true. thanks to the efforts of the city is left, the living with the consequences. seeing it out loud is a threat because it's true. our immigration policy exist for the profit and comfort of a relatively tiny number of people. everybody else gets shafted, including hud nora lopez and an awful lot of people like him. the people profiting from the policy don't want the rest of us

to think about it. they want us to mount the empty platitudes and move on. nothing to see here. shut up and go away. those who won't shut up get silenced. you have seen it a million times, it happens all the time.. the enforcers scream racist on twitter, until everyone gets intimidated and changes the description.is it's a tactic, a well-worn one. nobody thinks it's real and it won't work with this show. we are not intimidated. s we plan to try to say what's true until the last day. the truth is, unregulated mass immigration is badly hurt this country's natural landscape. take a trip to the southwestern desert if you don't believe it. thanks to illegal immigration,on huge swaths of the region are covered with garbage and waste. the arizona department of environmental quality estimates that each border crosser leaves six to 8 pounds of trash during the journey in our country. look at the website.

arizonabordertrash.com. illegal immigration comes at a huge cost to our environment. the environmental office said "the illegal bordern activity on federal lands not only threatens people but endangered species in the land itself. illegal aliens and smugglers have destroyed cactus and other sensitive vegetation that can take decades to recover, including habitat for endangered species." one land management official described another property on arizona's border as so unsafe with resources so destroyed that it is primarily used for illegal activity and no longer visited by the general public. it's not a press release from donald trump's campaign team, it's a federal study from 2002 which was back when people could do science without getting fired for it. the left used to care about the

environment. the land, the water, the animals. they understood that america is beautiful because it's open and uncrowded. not so long ago, environmentalists opposed to mass immigration and they knew what the costs were. they still know, but they don't care. we do care, and we will continue to tell you about it because we think you have a right to know no matter what they say.e at the same time the press barks about russia, more and more american companies are binding themselves to china. we will have details after the break.k. ♪

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>> tucker: there is a new side of leah mueller investigation >> tucker: there is news in the mueller investigation, and trace gallagher joins us tonight to wrap up all of it. >> tucker, this marks the second time in eight days that former fbi director james comey has u publicly slammed president trump after testifying before a house panel concerning the 2016 investigation into hillary clinton's private email server. comey said he felt compelled toe talk to journalists about the rule of law and president trumpt tweeting that his former lawyer michael cohen is a rat. >> the president of the united states calls a witness who is cooperating with his own justice department a rat. say that to yourself at home and remind yourself where we have ended up.wi >> comey also lashed out at g.o.p. lawmakers saying they shouldn't be cowed by their base and fox news and should speak the truth, although he

did not lay out what truth they should speak. comey's g.o.p. attack comes after darrell issa and trump lawyer rudy giuliani lambasted comeyy for his handling of the 2017 interview of the national security advisor michael flynn. comey admitteded he broke protol because he "could get away with it." when he sent two fbi agents to the white house in january 2017 to interview flynn without going through the process. flynn did not have a lawyer and was not all that false statements in that setting could constitute a crime. watch. >> i would not be surprised a bit that the conviction of flynn is overturned because of the justice department and fbi's misconduct. >> what they did to general flynn should result in discipline. they arese the ones violating te law. >> michael flynn will be sentenced tomorrow. unlikely he'll get jail time. >> tucker: trace gallagher, great to see you.

as we have noticed many times, the louder the ruling class huffs and puffs about russia, the greater the threat we face from china. but china, the fascist f no state that it is, is really the object of great love from our ruling class. here's the latest example. mckinsey and company, one of america's premier consulting firms, whatever that is. if you know what a consulting firm does, call me. they are powerful and they make a lot of money. a recent "new york times" piece notes that mckenzie advises 22 of china's's largest state owned companies. get this, just this year, mckenzie held a huge corporate retreat just miles away from a chinese internment camp.d that's perfect. mark steyn is an author and he joins us tonight. can i just point out something no one ever says? china is an ethno state.

you can't move to china. they persecute ethnic minoritie minorities. it's a racial category. and that's how they see it, it's inherently racist. how can our top company so exquisitely sensitive cozy up to a racist ethnostate? it's bewildering to me. >> as you said, there are consultants and the consultant class is a race apart. steyn consultancy will be willing to take your retainer to consult with youin on what consultants do. in this case, we have a geostrategic rival in china. russia's gdp is about an eighth that of china, russia is no threat to us. it's a declining power and can cause mischief on its way down. china is determined to be thee dominant power of the

21st century, and unlike when germany and britain and america were competing for that position at the end of the 19th century, where they grew rich on developing products, developing products that appeal and then selling them around the world, china has grown richel because western companies have made china its manufacturing plant, made a totalitarian ethno state, as you put it. there is no precedence for this in human history and the likelihood of it ending well for the west is pretty remote. that's why we are talking about russia, which doesn't matter in the least, not talking about china, which does. >> tucker: it's funny because the same people who lecture us for being immoral are in business with china. [laughs] it's unbelievable. mark steyn, we will see you later in the show. authoritarians always want to

disarm the people they rule. they have to in order to rule in the manner they want. we will investigate that phenomenon. next.

>> tucker: no country in the western hemisphere has failed more completely than venezuela.

it had a lot going for it.'t it has a huge middle-class, and today it can't even feed itself. you know what happened, they were obvious and predictable and disastrous consequences but that's not the whole story of what happened. six years ago the government of venezuela passed a gun banan specifically designed to disarm the public. it did not make people safer. venezuela has one of the highest murder rates in the world. that wasn't the point of it. the point was to make the people powerless, and it definitely did that. as one terrified venezuelan put it, people never would've believed they indeed do defend themselves against the government. but of course they did. in the past two years, almost 200 protesters, pro-democracy protesters, have been murdered by the security forces of dictator nicolas maduro. the government still has guns. authoritarians aren't stupid. they never give up their guns. that's rule one. that principle applies just as well to the united states as it does to failing social estates.a in new jersey, ordinary citizens

can go to prison for possessing gun magazines that hold to many rounds. lawmakers there changed the law to ensure it doesn't apply police. they know that larger magazines could be helpful for defense. that's why their bodyguards still have them. regular citizens have to defend for themselves. we have the former nypd commissioner. thanks for coming on. there are two parts, the state of new jersey for a time made it a crime for its own officers off-duty, included off-duty, to have magazines that i think hold more than ten rounds. what was the thinking behind that? >> honestly it was worse than that. they basically did it for the entire state of new jersey,tl ten round capacity or less, and anything above that is a crime. they did it for the whole state. when they did that, and basically it was a cunning way to attack the legal gun owners

because, you have 8 million handguns in new york, new jersey. you have probably another 2 million semiautomatic weapons, rifles. they have capacities of more than ten rounds, and the government took that away and it means you have to destroy the magazines or you have to alter them. most of them can't be altered, so basically you make those gund useless. when they did this, they also added off-duty police officers, which is completely bizarre. and it's another assault on the second amendment. but more importantly, you have a off-duty cops and many of them carry their on-duty weapon off-duty. if it's a 9-millimeter and it

has 12 rounds in a magazine, or 13 or 14, then it becomes illegal.ec if god forbid he is involved in the shooting and is held criminally liable, he can be held civilly liable. it's a major, major problem. >> tucker: i want to go back to something you just said a minute ago. it gets at the heart of what makes me nervous. if you are worried about gun violence i think everybody is, including me for sure, you go after the small number of people who are committing it, who are criminals and crazy people. you wouldn't intentionally target legal gun owners who are likely to be law-abiding -- law-abiding answers physically they are. >> that's about taking the guns. that's the only thing i could think of. these are legal law-abiding citizens that have been vetted and background checked, and the government decided we are going to take every magazine in excess of ten rounds, and that's a lot

of magazines. >> tucker: so if that is your goal, your plan to disarm legal gun owners it's not really about reducing the crime rate, is it? >> absolutely not.wn the bad guys don't care about your gun law. they don't give a damn. and they will have magazines that have double the capacity, it doesn't make any difference to them. it's not going to have any impact on reducing crime. i don't know what the purposean was but i know even as of now, and this broke on thursday or friday when the bergen county prosecutor put out a memo to the cops saying be careful because of this rule, this law. even today as we speak, they

have revised, there is a revision to the law but the governor hasn't signed it. we still have cops in the state of new jersey right now off-duty, if they are carrying a magazine in excess of ten rounds, they are violating new jersey state law. it's completely insane. >> tucker: it tells you a lot about where they are coming from. thank you veryta much. a teacher lost his job for refusing to submit to the pronoun police. literally lost his job. he joins us next to tell us what happened.

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>> t >> tucker: it's almost impossible to fire a public school teacher for incompetence. go ahead and try, and you will find out. it turns out it's very easy to get one fired for thought crimes.nc until recently, peter vlaming taught in virginia but he was recently fired because he refused to use male pronouns toa refer to a biologically female student. he didn't use female pronouns

he used the student's name, and avoided pronouns entirely. thank you both very much for coming on. peter, the first question i think in many people's minds will be, did you in some way to insult the student or were you cruel to the student?s was there something that youou said to the student? >> not at all. i love and respect all of my students, including the student in question. i did everything i could to accommodate the student's new identity. i used the new name. i avoided feminine pronouns, but male pronouns were a bridge too far. but i did everything in my power to accommodate and show respect for this student and the student's choices. >> tucker: so you never attacked the student or said i disagree with it

or belittled the student or anything like that? >> not at all and it's not my place as a public school teacher to give my view on that subject. i'm a french teacher, i teach french. >> have you ever seen a case like this? >> to our understanding, this is the first time in the country. we should make clear, all we are asking for is that tolerance be two-way street. he respected the student and all he has asked for is that the respect be extended to him and his rights.edhi this is a case of compelled speech. he would not say why he was fired -- . >> tucker: i am taking what you are saying on faith. everyone confirms your account. you didn't attack the student. you used a female name, the name of the student. apparently the student

complained or someone complaine complained. what did they say in what was your response., >> i was using the name. the student is biologically female. >> tucker: i'm sorry. i inverted it. you use the preferred name of the student, the name of the student wanted to be called. >> correct. the school administration understood i wasn't willing to pronounce male pronouns when referring to the student, i was told that i had to use pronouns even if students weren't present. so if you are my colleague and i'm speaking to you about the student, let's say i am praising the student about, you know this student? she did great on a test. iud could be denounced and losey job. i couldn't agree to that. i couldn't agree to that kind of ultimatum. >> tucker: did at any point the question of biology arise? could you stand on science and say i'm not attacking.

but i can't deny biology. we teach it. did you try that? >> i reiterated my respect for the student and the student's choices, but male pronouns were a bridge too far. >> tucker, we should point out that the school took a position contrary to biology. peter was given an ultimatum by the superintendent that he would have to treat the student like every other male student. or he would be fired. that would include using male pronouns. >> tucker: i've never seen anything like it. i wish we had more time. very quickly, can you tell me it's as hard as the rest of us think it is to get a public school teacher fired for incompetence. >> [laughs] good question. it wasn't my case, obviously. i have a good record at my high school and i enjoyed teaching, i enjoyed the school district.ch

so this has nothing to do with incompetence, it has to do with not adopting a very specific ideology about human nature. >> tucker: of course. you should have just been incompetent and you would still be teaching there. thank you very much. this is a really sad andpo important story and i'm grateful that you came and told to us. democrats gearing up for 2020, also upping their attacks based on ethnicity. hardrd to believe that's happening, but it is. mark steyn will unpack that ofof course after the break. to your goals and needs. some only call when they have something to sell. fisher calls regularly so you stay informed. and while some advisors are happy to earn commissions whether you do well or not. fisher investments fees are structured so we do better when you do better. maybe that's why most of our clients come from other money managers.

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>> tucker: the democraticc primary race is about to begin an increasingly that party has divided the world into two groups. really the people who look in a way that makes them virtuous anw

others who look in a way that makes them look sinful. ironically, a new poll of iowa democrats finds that the three favorite candidates are all of the white men. joe biden leads that race followed by bernie sanders and beto o'rourke is in third place. how are the other contenders faring? kristen fisher has been following and she joins us tonight. >> we are not even out of 2018 and already talking about 2020. this is the poll for a caucus that is still 14 months away but it does give us a taste of what the democratic field might look like. c at the top of the list, former vice president joe biden. biden hasn't announced he's running but said he he plans tob make a decision in the next two months. two weeks ago he called himself the most qualified person in the country to be president.ni bernie sanders also has an not announced if he is running he came in second. so that shows you at least righe

now, iowa democrats seem to favor these familiar faces with lots of political experience. then there's beto o'rourke, the young democrat from texas who narrowly lost to ted cruz. o'rourke finished third in this poll beating out far more season candidates like elizabeth warren, cory booker, michael bloomberg. and senator kirsten gillibrand. she admitted she's worried that those top three candidates are all white men. she wants more diversity among the top potential candidates heading into 2020, but what seems to matter most to these iowa democrats is experience. 49% say it will take a seasoned politician, not a newcomer, to win. president trump said it would ba a dream to run against biden in 2020.0. tucker, i think trump would like to run against anyone on that list. >> tucker: i love that gillibrand is concerned. elizabeth warren is not the only

one who's very concerned about the diversity of the lineup. msnbc's joy reid's has having the wrong sex in skin color is a disqualifier potentially. watch this. >> they can't run two whiteit guys. the fact that you have joe biden talking to o'rourke, i personally find it hard to understand how you get the requisite turnout for voters of color. women are going to be outraged if there's not a woman. voters of color will say, why are we participating? >> the diversity politics cul-de-sac. this is how you know god has a sense of humor when he makes joe biden number one in the hearts of the diversity party. it's hilarious. mark steyn, laugh along. >> [laughs] >> i know. i loved what elizabeth warren said in her speech the other night. she said -- she told this black audience, i'm not a person of

color and i haven't lived your life. in fact, she did live their life. she allowed herself to be presented as harvard law school's first woman of colorlf year after year and presumably, there is a real woman of color who could have been harvard law school's first woman. that's what's beautiful about it. i always say elizabeth warren is the whitest white since frosty the snowman fell in a vat of white-out. and if she can be the first woman of color, joe biden is enough of a woman of color and,d so joy reed needn't worry. joe biden is the first woman of color. and beto o'rourke is the first changed under -- transgender. >> seriously, i thought the idea was, not really, he's so cutting edge that he's not.

>> and he has adopted a groovy name. joe biden could easily change his name to akmed biden and be running as the first muslim vice president. i mean, the elizabeth warren standard is the diversity standard. then this is not identity politics, w it's self identity politics. that's the beauty of it. and god bless her. i love her for that. only in america can elizabeth warren be the harvard law school first woman of color. the american dream in a nutshell. >> tucker: all the dreams come true in this country. mark steyn, great to see you as well. >> thank you, tucker. [music begins]

researcher 1: some say e-cigarettes aren't dangerous. researcher 2: but science shows nicotine can harm teens' developing brains- researcher 1: no matter how they're exposed. researcher 2: let's do an experiment to find out. researcher 1: here's a teen who won't be using e-cigarettes. researcher 2: now, we need one willing to risk their brain development. researcher 1: anyone care to volunteer your kid? researcher 2: anyone? narrator: your kids are not an experiment. protect them from e-cigarettes. [music ends] >> tucker: the hour is over, like sand through an hourglass. like all good things, it ends before you think it will.

the only upside is you enjoyed it while it was happening. speaking for myself and you. we will be back tomorrow at 8:00 p.m., the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and especially groupthink, which is a direct threat to you and your family and your right to make your own decisions. we will be back in support of the free speech. good night from washington, "hannity" is next and sitting in for him tonight, we are proud to report, is judge jeanine pirro. >> judge jeanine: this is the upside, too, tucker. [laughter] and welcome to "hannity." breaking just moments ago, robert mueller has publicly released preflynn interview document, the official note from peter strzok and an unnamed age of surrounding their january 2017 interrogation u of lieutenant general flynn. we will break this down, this7 development, coming up. but first, disgraced former fbi director james comey was back on capitol hill.