thanks for bearing with me. thank you all very much. thank you, thank you. merry christmas, happy hanukkah, happy holidays. ♪ >> the objects people choose to keep in their homes define who they are. this is "objectified": dr. phil. >> '57 chevy. >> oh, my god! this is my dream! >> i'm harvey levin. as of the story about a small-town kid who would becomes in television. >> you should be sorry. g you cannot be that shallow to make that idiotic comment. >> harvey: dr. phil grew up poor with a father who terrorized the family. >> he would get drunk and tear it out of the kitchen and threw it through the window. >> harvey: still became a psychologist and put the very institution of marriage at risk. >> i was the worst marital therapist in the history of

marital therapy. >> harvey: he would open a successful jury consulting business and then became the life-changing client, one oprah winfrey, who is being sued by the cattle industry. by the cattle industry. >> i getting ready to hand to yourself on the platter. you need to wake up, girl, and become present because they are become present because they are for >> harvey:? fell became perez go to expert in his ratings soared. why not give him his own show? >> when that happened, with their competitiveness between you and oprah? >> harvey: dr. phil mcgraw, the man who turned the oprah's seal of approval into a media empire of his own. >> harvey: dr. phil. >> how are you? >> harvey: it is so good to see you. thank you so much for this. >> welcome, welcome to our home. >> harvey: home is incredible. it is palatial. >> thank you. robin is quite the decorator. >> harvey: i want to learn about your life. i have read a lot about you but i have read a lot about you but i want to hear it from you. because there are twists and

turns. >> there are. >> harvey: ready? >> i will answer anything you want to know. >> harvey: i will be like, they are based on this one. >>lo okay, i needed. >> harvey: let's do it. tell me what this is. >> well, this is a pilot logbook. logbook. this is from -- we see it is from cooks flying service. >> harvey: yep. >> this is a little town called iowa park, texas. i got my pilots license. >> harvey: how old? >> i was 18. >> harvey: . you had been flying since 12. >> i had prayed my dad's old drilling beds and that sort of thing, he would put it in the back of the airplane, and fly it into the rocky mountains, and so i was flying when i was 11. when i say i am flying, he is letting me hold on some of about you learn. >> harvey: i want to take you back to your childhood. and having read a lot about you now, i feel like i see this small town with tumbleweeds all over the street. >> yeah, that's pretty much at. >> harvey: tell me about it. >> we were poor. i was born in oklahoma but we

spent most of our lives in texa texas. and the truth is, my dad was a pretty bad alcoholic. and so we never knew if we were going to have money for food. we never knew of the electricity was going to be on that day or whether it wasn't. >> harvey: you not one of my favorite dr. foul line says? and i do a doctor phil impersonation? >> let's do it. >> we were so poor, we couldn't even pay attention. >> [laughs] that's it. that is pretty bad. >> harvey: i'll do better in a few minutes. >> i grew up with a father that was drunk. i grew up, i wouldn't bring my friend's home because i didn't know if my dad was going to be drunk in the driveway naked in denver in january. >> harvey: you mentioned your dad was an alcoholic. thereem were episodes of violene between the two of you. that is pretty extreme. >> yeah. he was an animated drunk.

[laughs] some are kind of quiet or they go off or whatever but my dad was a big, powerful guy. we would have conflicts. the kind of thing where he would get drunk and tear the hood off of -- out of the kitchen, and throw it through the windows. it was that kind of thing. when you live with that, it changes who you are. i mean, you are a kid, and you see violence between he and your mother,an you see all that kindf thing, and you are the only boy. i had three sisters and and a brother. and when dad is like that and you are the only boy in the house, you stand in the gap, right? you step in to protect the wome women. and that lead to a lot of conflict. >> harvey: how did that affect you? >> again, i got to the point of

realizing you rely on yourself. >> harvey: your dad was a big influence in your life. >> he was. both negative and positive. negative and that he was about alcoholic and that i haven't had a drink in 50 years. i saw what it does, and i don't do it. he wasgu also the hardest workig man i have ever seen in my life. he was a trojan. i mean, there was nothing the guy would not do. he gave me a tremendous work ethic. i really thank him for that. i learnedu that if you want something you work for it. no one is goingmy to give you anything. >> harvey: you were an athlete. you were on the football team. >> i was. >> harvey: my understanding is, you may not have even graduated high school if it weren't for sports. >> not a chance that i have graduated. >> harvey: football, and many ways, is why you are here today. >> i certainly wouldn't have graduated high school, i would tell you that. >> harvey: you are a middle linebacker. >> [laughs] worst job i ever had. let me tell you, every [bleep]

job, that's at the top of the list. >> harvey: because? >> i was a middle linebacker and i was a really poor one. it's really hard job anyway -- >> harvey: you got hit. >> if you are not really good at it, it is really tough. there is a tendency for those who makes psychology and religion him who know just enough to be dangerous, to use psychology as a weapon to judge. >> harvey: you, and many ways, got interested in psychology because of football. when you guys lost to the salvationst army team -- >> that's it.ne >> harvey: and you started thinking that thereea is a psychology of success on these teams. >> you have done your homework. we had a really good team and we had really good equipment, and we had really good coaches. shiny helmets, and the salvation army had a team, these kids, i mean, they are falling out of the back of these pickups.

blue jeans and set a football pants. loafers. just slip on shoes. and none of their helmets match. i mean, they just looked like ragtag. harvey, they beat us so bad. i can't even tell you how bad they beat us. it was -- we were watching them run up and down the field, it looked like a track meet. >> harvey: [laughs] speak of those guys wanted it. those guys had the eye of the tiger. they wanted it, man. and i got focused at that point on what makes people a champion. and i got focused on why people do what they do and don't do what they don't do and i have been focusedtt on that since tht day. that is why i'm sitting here today. ♪ >> harvey: tell me about it. i have seen a gavel or two in my life. >> my son, jay, gave this to me actually. and this is the actual gavel

from the first rap in the pilot for "bull," which is a drama on cbs. >> harvey: which is really about your life running that jury consulting service. >> this is pray this is inspired by my career as a scientist before i did the "dr. phil" show. >> out of this jury pool, you are going to get three. >> is that right? >> yes. >> harvey: you'd got your degree. why practice with your dad? because you had a problematic relationship. >> i did. and it was very important to him. he just had this dream of a father and son, doctor and doctor working together. and frankly, my mother asked me to do it. for you to be fighting and yelling and screaming in front of these kids, they don't deserve that. >> they don't. >> that means the two of you need to grow up and behave

yourselves. >> harvey: you talk to millions of people now. but when you practiced, it was one was one-on-one psychology. did you likeer it? >> i was the worst marital therapist in the history of marital therapy. >> harvey: [laughs] >> i was absolutely the worst. honest to god. >> harvey: why? >> because i had no patience for it. a couple would come in and they would start arguing back and forth, 10 minutes in, and i'm like, my god, no wonder you people can't get along. i'm with you 10 minutes on i can stand either one of you. you should definitely get a divorce a divorce. >> harvey: [laughs] >> you should definitely get a divorce. i can't imagine going home with either one of you. and i would say that. >> harvey: [laughs] oh, my god. so whate was the divorce rate like? >> very high. >> harvey: [laughs] >> i thinking people -- i think people cameg. to me to get a divorce. let me get rid of this [bleep]. it was dr. mcgraw, not

dr. phil. >> harvey: you didn't like whiny? >> and all. people don't want to own what they didn't want to own and they want to blame somebody else and i don't have much time for that. >> harvey: the trial company you started with courtroom scientist increase esi. i'm a lawyer and i am fascinated by your services because i think honestly, and o.j. simpson casey won the case for them. by the jury they picked. you said something so there is a huge difference between telling the truth and telling the truth effectively. explain that, because i think that is profound. >> here's the thing. i would rather have a weak fact pattern well told then a great fact pattern poorlyiv told. in any case, you've got a universe of 1,000 fax. and out of those 1,000 facts, there is a subset of ten or 12

facts that are going to be outcome determinant. that is with the jury is going to resolve this case on. and you have to figure out what those ten facts are. what the combinations of that block is, and you need to present that in a clear, concise, compelling way to the jury. and if you do, they are going to bring you home. and if you don't, they won't. >> harvey: t why did you seem to favor representing defendants rather than plaintiffs? >> i think we are way too litigious. and so my kind of heart was just in defending the targets. >> harvey: because you think a lot of cases are bogus or because you like helping people who go in the underdog? >> i think a lot of cases are bogus. and i definitely like helping the underdog. >> harvey: youuc said once, "i feel about litigation the way patented about war." >> yeah. god help me, i love it.

>> harvey: your company was insanely successful. and you became rich. you were a poor kid and a richard auld. did you worry, when you were rich, that you might be poor again or was that in your past? >> i don't now. i don't worry about now. i've done a poor, i know how. it doesn't scare me. i know how to do it. give me a good pair of tennis shoes and a warm coat, i'm good. ♪ >> the way i meant to oprah, she had been sued innt the mad cow case. they were suing for billions of dollars. >> harvey: she was constantly talking to you about "why me"? >> harvey: i remember one night, i said, one night, you need to wake up girl and become present because they are after you. on ♪

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"princess magna." what is this? ♪ - >> harvey: princes magnets? what is this? >> it's a yacht. >> harvey: i bet it's a fancy yacht. >> it is. very. >> harvey: what is significant? >> well, as i'm sure you know, the way i met oprah was at csi. she had been sued in the mad cow

case. >> harvey: i think i heard about that. >> and amarillo, texas. >> texas ranchers claimed she slammed beef on her show, costing them millions.ns they claim oprah set out to do them wrong. >> we won a great victory. we zeroed them out, they were suing for billions of dollars. i get a package, a box, from oprah. i open it up, and there is a little note in there, and it says, "i just don't know how to say thank you, but i do know hor to say yacht." [laughter] we picked the boat up, i think we picked it up in nice, and we went all up and down the coast over there, and went to cap rate and the coast and st. tropez and all over there for a couple of weeks and just had a terrific time. >> ten years ago, i was accused of saying bad things about hamburgers, and because of that, i was put on trial in texas. and that is how i met phil.s

>> she said mad cow disease stopped or called for meeting burgers. when you first heard that, and he knew that was the basis of the lawsuit, what did you think? >> i thought it was absolute [bleep]. i thought it was absolute frivolous, thought it was exploitive, opportunistic, and somebody trying to pay, get their name in the headlines, anu trying to bully somebody with money into giving them some of hers. >> seriously, though, it was a very vulnerable time for me. and from the moment i met phil, i felt he was a person who could take the lead and get us out of that hot mess. >> harvey: she was constantly talking to you about "why me, why am i being sued, this is unfair." you had a come to with her with her. >> i remember one night, she does knock on my door in the middle of the night. we go into the game room, and she said, what the hell is going on here? i cannotys wrap my head around this. i said, i will tell you what is

going on. these old boys are getting ready to hand you yourself on a platter. i said, you need to wake up, girl, and come present because they are after you. >> harvey: did she wake up? >> did she ever. >> harvey: you did some mock trials and it didn't go well at the beginning. >> i did not go well in the beginning because oprah was very irritated, annoyed, angry at being sued. as anyone would be. and she was very hostile. she was not the oprah people see on television. one of the jurors said, why are you mad at us? we didn't sue you. and she looked at me, and she said, oh, my god. she talks about light bulb moments. that was a light bulb moment.

and when it came time for trial, she owned that courtroom. and the difference between telling the truth and telling the truth effectively was never more evident than when oprah winfrey took the witness stand. >> harvey: you kind of make it ato first amendment freedom ofll speech case. >> at the end of the closing argument, we pose the question to the jury, what kind of america will you wake up in tomorrow if you muzzle oprah winfrey? oprah winfrey? and take away open debate about something of public concern? ) and that, i believe, struck a chord and carried the day. >> harvey: there was some pressure to settle this case. you were against it. >> i was. >> harvey: that is risky. >> she had a group of lawyers in chicago that is telling her straight up to settle this case. and she asked me straight up, she said, why would you not to settle a case? and i sent, because if you don't

settle this case, if you take these guys to trial, you take them to verdict, the line at this sue opera wind is going to get a lot shorter. because if she settles one, she'll settle a hundred? >> you go become an atm. don't do it for you did she continue to call you afterwards for advice and other things, too? >> we talk constantly until today. and we become in other cases, we've become involved in other crises. >> harvey: i'm talking about even personal things. did you call you for advice? >> as you do with any trusted friend. >> harvey: she lives at such a higher level than just about anybody. yet the way you describe it, she has some of the same insecurities that everybody has. >> everybody has insecurities. i think of her more as having sensitivities. that woman cares about people. she has what i call a health and gendered personality. you feel better about you for being around her.

♪ >> harvey: you were teased in college for being a hick. there were a lot of people who thought you were abrasive, and there were even producers whop felt that she should never have you back again. >> i talked to oprah. she said, phil, i want you to come back and turn up the heat. smack (sfx: orchestra warming up) where's tommy? (sfx: stage doors opening) i thought he was with you? no jack! (sfx: piano plays "twinkle twinkle little star" tommy? (sfx: audience laughing) go get him!

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more than a thousand others. it hit on the busy holiday weekend and without warning, triggering giant waves that ripped apart homes and buildings in seconds. scientists think an undersea volcanic eruption likely costed and there are fears or could happen again. i'm anna kleiman. now back to "objectified": dr. phil. for all of) us at fox news, hapy holidays. ♪ >> harvey: so tell me what that is. >> welcome others, i've held onto because i was -- this was special to me. when i show up at harpo studios, i get this badge, harpo got my picture on it, and -- >> harvey: phil, you look like a longshoreman. >> i know. i would like a linebacker, don't i? >> harvey: [laughs] you do. >> on the back is at harpo studios incorporated, access all areas. and s understand, i am from tex.

so i'm not hollywood, i'm not a tv guy. and so starting to get into the tb arena and tv world, it was really an interesting chapter c for me. >> my next guest is here to help lead you in the right direction. i've chosen him because he is the person who helped me the most getting through my trial in texas. >> so this is now 21 years ago. >> harvey: so when you went there for the first time, did you view that is in addition? >> i never had any desire to be on television. it wasn't something that i was reallywa interested in doing. i was very engaged with what i was doing, i was very happy with what i was doing. >> harvey: yet here you are with the number one show on daytime television, where the host, who now bonded with you, says, come on national platform and let's see what happens. i mean, and you weren't intoxicated by that? >> no, not really. >> harvey: you were teased in college for being- a hick.

you have a accent. were you self-conscious? >> no. no. i get up for it. anything i do, i get up for it but i don't get nervous. >> harvey: the first show did not go great. there were a lot of people who thought you were abrasive. they weren't used to it. >> if you have a need, you find a way to deal with it. don't you? the problem was, that we don't use food, we abuse food. >> harvey: and there were even producers on the t show who felt that she should never have you back again. >> everybody but you said it won't work.is >> yeah, that's true. everybody told me this wouldn't work, my producers aside, this guy, and the audience had a really strong reaction to you. and it wasn't good. >> harvey: did youfr know that at the time? >> no, i did go great. it went good for my perspective. it went great from oprah's

perspective. it shocked a lot of people. and a lot of people were like, oh, my god, what did he say? what is he saying? and so i talked to oprah and said, it seems like some people were back on their heels. what do you think?t she said, oh, i wanted to come back and turn up the heat. she said, you didn't tell them like it is the way you do me. you held back. >> harvey: and you turned up the heat? >> ili did. >> can i be honest with you? i didn't believe a word you said. i believe you said what you think you are supposed to say. i believe you said what you think the goals are supposed y o be because that is what getting better means. but what i am telling you, if you can't change what you don't acknowledge. >> harvey: there have been thousands of experts on the

oprah show over 20 years. i'm going to ask you to be immodest for a minute because i think it is undeniable, why do you think you soared higher than all of them? >> i think it is a different voice. i think the whole thing is -- you have to rise above the nois noise. it's being distinctly different. that distinct difference is positive, then that works. i came on the show and the ratings expect. and a lot of the mail that came in was about to those episodes and a lot of the transcripts that were ordered were aboutt those episodes and all. a lot of people could have been threatened by that. oprah just kept pushing me to the forefront. just kept pushing me to the forefront. he just doing everything she cod

to edify me instead of her. she's just a bad generous in spirit. >> i thought they did what you were offering me was good enough to share with other people. and i'm really proud that you have been able to do that in a way that has affected millions of people throughout this country and throughout the world. >> welcome i think you for saying that. >> i mean, not ever was there a time that she had an opportunity to advance the dr. phil brand that she couldn't take it, double it, and take it again. that is just what she has done, to this day. to this day, she's done that. ♪ >> harvey: you d were enormously successful with oprah. but when you decided to do it on your own, was their competitiveness between you and oprah because suddenly you have these gigantic shows? she was the only game in town

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of money but i have a lot of dreams. >> harvey: do you drive it? >> i drive it all the time. >> harvey: do you drive into the studio? >> all the time. >> harvey: jeez! [laughs] [laughs] oh, my god. you are driving down sunset boulevard in a convertible '57 chevy that goes 200 miles an hour. you are not going to be inconspicuous, are you? >> you got a head like a nickel beer, they can spot you from anywhere. you got to put your hat on so you can hide. >> harvey: okay, let's talk about the show. so you were enormously successful with oprah. but when you decided to do it in your own, someone said, right before your show aired, he's basically dr. laura with a mustache. she failed on tv, so, it's not going to work for him. were you nervous?

>> well, people ask me, do you >> well, people ask me, do you miss oprah? do you think it will make a difference that she's not there? and i'm like, let me think. we are going to eliminate the most clearly on voice in the history of television from equation. you think that will matter? yes. yeah, i think there's a good chance that will matter. oprah really believed in it. she said, this is going to work and there are reasons why. >> harvey: was she grooming you? >> there was no question. we planned it that way. >> harvey: it was an immediate hit.pp and you have just been enormously successful. when that happened, was there a competitiveness between you and oprah because suddenly what you have two gigantic shows and she was the only game in town until you came along? >> not at all. i will tell you why.

my mama didn't raise no fool. we both agreed, when they went out is how the show, that they could never sell it where we were head-to-head, ever. ever. >> harvey: was there to protect both of you from human nature? >> i don't know what it was for her, but i didn't want to get my ass kicks. their responsibility to support you as an adult is no more than your responsibility to do what they tell you. >> harvey: when you were doing the show, do you view yourself as a talk show host or a psychologist? >> neither. >> neither. i view myself as an because, as i say, they are teaching tools. and at are all considered what i'm doing as therapy. but i do think it's educational. >> harvey: i have been doing tv for a long time, as you have, and i think i have a sense of what makes certain people click.

in my opinion, you are a great entertainer. do you view yourself as an entertainer? >> well, i hope so. and i have had people ask me that. you are not asking it as an insult, some people do. >> harvey: i'm not asking it as an insult. >> that's what i mean. i realize you are not. some people say that what you do is a lot of entertainment. and i hope so. what i tried to do is tell a compelling story and then resolve it in a way that people can use. my father died without ever one time in my life ever saying he was proud of me. don't you do that to your boy. >> harvey: finish the sentence. as a boss i am... >> demanding. yeah, i think when people write in, are willing to put in their lives out there, get out an

airplane, fly all the way out here, come out there and lay it all out, they deserve our absolute, undivided attention. they deserve for us to have done our homework on their situation, on the research, the history, resources, the whole thing, and i think we should do that and we are. >> harvey:'t when you met robin, she broke up with you because he wouldn't commit. >>( she didn't break up with m. she kicked my dog ass to the curb. [laughter] there are so many toothpastes out there... ...which one should i use? choose one that takes care of your gums and enamel. crest gum & enamel repair

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c playing ) tell me about that. ♪ >> harvey: tell me about that. >> well, you know, robin and i got married in 1976. we've been married 41 years. >> harvey: gosh. >> if you can believe that. when we got married, i said, what you want to do for honeymoon? she said, i want to go to "the price is right." >> harvey: [laughs] you came to los angeles -- >> we flew out here and went to "the price is right." and i am standing in line come over here a television city, and we actually got picked.

we didn't get on the show but you know, they pull certain people and robin was so energetic, and these were our name tags. >> harvey: when you met robin, you dated for four years. she broke up with you because you wouldn't commit. >> she did not break up with me. she kicked my dog ass to to the curb. [laughter] she said, you are either in or you're out. you had enough time. i was like, what have i done? she's part of my life. so i said, you know, i really can never thank her enough for that wake-up call. because if i had let her get away, i would never have forgiven myself. >> harvey: one of the things that surprised me was something you dide for her for your 20th anniversary. something you wrote for her. >> i wrote her a book of poems. one for each year that we had been married and i actually --

this was the hard part -- i actually collect pictures from each year and made her a book, and i called it "the 20 year span." and i gave it to her and she has treasured that greatly. and i'm not a great poet but i did like the last, because our member the last one, i said "if life were a garden i could walk through again, you are the flower i would pick for another 20 years been." we have now gone another 20 years. >> harvey: when jay was born, he had a medical problem, and that really impacted you. >> each of the boys has had one medical problem that has impacted me as much as anything in my life. with jay, just four weeks old, he had pyloric stenosis, his valve here, he could not get any nutrition to his stomach.

so we had to go into surgery. >> harvey: he could have starved to death. >> he could have starved to death. anytime you put a child under anesthesia, at four weeks old, high risk. and i was on staff at that hospital and fed doctors were fans and i was actually able to carry him into the operating room. >> harvey: >> harvey: you insis, i understand.al >> yeah, i did. i just -- i wanted to take them in here. >> harvey: how did it change you? >> i realized, it's not just about you anymore. do you now have the responsibility of a child. >> harvey: let's talk about jordan for a minute. how did that happen? because you got a vasectomy. >> i did. i got a vasectomy. because we agreed we were just going to have one child. and then about six years later,

we werem, in this big meeting. she was on the other side of the room. but the ceiling was a parabolic reflector. and i heard her whisper as though she was right in my ear, and i heard her say, "i regret ever having agreed to just have one child." and i thought, wow. and the next morning, i was at the hospital making rounds, and our ob-gyn who had delivered jay, joe miller, i was telling him about this. and he said, well, we can reverse that. i'm walking into the operating room, taking my shirt off. >> harvey: [laughs]in oh, no. no [bleep]! >> i'm walking in, take my shirt off, they are looking around,

looking down here, he does a foreign a half hour surgery under a microscope, puts it all back together, so they stand up. >> harvey: this is like "weekend at bernie's." >> they walk me out, i can't move, they pull up in front of my house at, like, 8:30. they get me out of the car, stand up, he puts a pink, wrapped presents with baby closed under one arm, baby clothes are under the other armd blow the horn and pull off. and leave me standing there. and i tell her, i have heard what you said, in that room, and have had my vasectomy reversed. and she just starts crying, and they say, it's a 50/50 chance it will work. she's pregnant and seven weeks. >> harvey: way to go.

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>> harvey: well, this is fantastic. how often do you play? >> every day. >> harvey: do you really? >> yeah. >> harvey: this is an old rack at. >> this was givenar to me by the mother of my dear friend, bill dawson. marge dawson played with this racket in texas and her senior year,al 1938 in texas. can you imagine hitting the ball without? >> harvey: wow. it is such a smallfi hat. can you actually hit a ball without? >> yes, one of the top-ranked american players who just retired has played me with this racket. >> harvey: did he beat you? >> like a drum. >> harvey: [laughs] okay. i want to talk about room full of bright because you are an expert of that. >> we'll see. >> harvey: one of the reasons i want to do a tribute is that i am fascinated that you have succeeded in so many different areas, you succeeded in psychology, in jury science, you've succeeded in television, business, what is a secret? >> for me, i think it is really

a matter of knowing what you want and knowing what you are willing to do to get it. i know what i can do and i know what i can't do. >> harvey: you stay in your lane. >> i do, i stay in my lane. >> harvey: how do you take losing? >> not well.t. >> harvey: do you? throw that? >> no, i don't. >> harvey: ever? >> i just come back harder the next time. we want to tell you when? >> darn right. >> harvey: you talk about creating about your experience a lot. i'm not sure i understand what thatss means. >> i think you get what you give. i think if you go through life really negative and a chip on your shoulder, and pessimistic, that is how you engage the world. you are going to get negative, pessimistic scum a chip on your shoulder responses from people. if you go through life where you an expectation of success, and you have an expectation that people are going to accept what you are offering, then you are

so much more likely that you are going to get that result. i was a person with a damaged truth. so i know that. like i say, i lived as an alcoholic father. i goki to school knowing that te windows in my kitchen got kicked out last night, that we didn't have any utilities. and i am sitting next to a kid and i compare my reality with his social mask. that is what kids do. and as a result, you feel second-class and so you generate the results you think you deserve. >> harvey: you don't believe in victims. >> i don't. i don't. that doesn't mean that people can't transiently be preyed upo upon. but i tell people that have been molested in their childhood. you have zero responsibility for that happening in your childhood. you have 100% responsibility for what you do about it as an adult. >> harvey: we are the same age. and i have a fear that if i stop

working, i'm going to drop dead. do you have fear like that? >> i do. i think, if anybody loses passion in their lives, if there is not something that they feel a purpose for, i think it really takes away a life's drive. i think if you don't have a reason to get up tomorrow, if you don't have something that you think is a meaningful contribution to this life, i think your whole purpose, your momentum, your whole drive, goes away. and i am starting to make changes in my k life now that anticipate what i know is coming. >> harvey: what is coming? >> [laughs] well, i wasn't exactly eye candy when i started television. >> harvey:lo [laughs] >> as each day goes by, i'm looking more and more like an old catcher's mitt.

>> harvey: [laughs] >> so i'm starting to do things behind the camera. >> harvey: i got to tell you, i have really enjoyed this. you are one impressive guy. thank you so much. >> well, i am really flattered that you wanted to do this. >> harvey:ev i am honored. >> h thank you so much. >> harvey: the objects people choose to keep in their home define who they are. this is "objectified": alex trebek. >> these are the dies from high rollers on which you were a contestant. >> i was.is >> harvey:to who did not do particularly well particularly well. >> harvey: i'm harbor 11. this is the story of a man who has been welcomed into millions of homes across the globe for more than three decades. >> welcome to "jeopardy," as we begin another week. >> harvey: alex was a young hell raiser in canada, something that enraged his mom. >> she would rock me pretty hard sometimes. if