surprise more exciting. our best to that family and the police. thank you for inviting us into your home on this christmas eve. merry christmas to all who are celebrating. that is it for this special report, we are back live at 6:00 eastern tomorrow night, merry christmas. >> the object people choose to keep in their home. this is objective find. >> 57 chevy. >> this is my dream. >> this is the story of a small-town kid. >> you should be sorry. you cannot be that shallow. >> doctor phil grew up poor with a father who terrorized the family. >> he would get drunk, throw

things to the windows. >> bill became a psychologist and for the institution of marriage at risk. >> i was the worst marital therapist in the history of marital therapy. >> he would have it professionally and open a successful jury consulting business and then came the life-changing client, one oprah winfrey, being sued. >> getting ready to hand you your ass on a platter you need to wake up early. they are after you. >> bill became oprah's go to expert and ratings soared even higher so why not give him his own show. >> when that happens? was there competitiveness between you and oprah? >> doctor phil mcgraw who turned the oprah seal of approval into a media empire of his own. >> doctor phil, so good to see you. thank you, welcome, this home is incredible. it is palatial. >> thank you. it is nicely decorated.

>> i want to learn about your life. i have read a lot about you but i want to hear it from you because there are twists and turns. >> i will answer anything you want to know. >> tell me what this is. >> this is a pilot logbook from cook's flying service. a little town called iowa park, texas. i got my pilot's license, i was 18. >> you had been fighting since 12. >> he put it in the back of an airplane, fly it into the rocky mountains. i was flying when i was 11. he's letting me hold on. >> back to your childhood. having read a lot of that i feel, a small town with some weeds all over the street. tell me about it.

>> we were poor. i was born in oklahoma. we spent most of our lives in texas. the truth is my dad was a pretty bad alcohol like. we never knew if we would have money or food, we never knew if the electricity would be on that day or if it wasn't. >> can i do with doctor phil impression? we were so poor we couldn't even pay attention. >> i will do better. >> i grew up with a father that was drunk. bring my friends home because i didn't know if my dad would be drunk in the driveway naked in denver or january. >> your dad was an alcoholic. there were episodes of violence between the two. that is pretty extreme. >> he was an enemy of drugs.

somewhere kind of required to go off. my dad was a big powerful guy and we would have conflict. he would get drunk and tear the hood off of the kitchen and throw it through the windows. when you live with that it changes who you are. you see violence, and only had 3 sisters and a mother. with dad's schools up like that and you are the only boy you stand in the gap. to protect the women. that led to a lot of conflict. again, i got to the point of

realizing you rely on your self. >> your dad was a big influence on your life. >> he was, both negative and positive and he was a bad alcoholic and i haven't had a drink in 50 years. i saw what it does and i don't to do it. he was the hardest working man i have ever seen in my life, he was a trojan, nothing the guy would not do and he gave me tremendous work. i really thank him for that. you want something you work for it. >> you were an athlete. >> i was. >> my understanding is you may not have graduated high school. football in many ways is why you are here today. >> i wouldn't have graduated high school.

>> i have had some jobs at the top of the list. it is a hard job anyway. >> there's a tendency for those who mix psychology and religion, who know just enough to be dangerous to use psychology as a weapon to judge. >> you in many ways got interested in psychology because of football. when you lost to the salvation army team and you started thinking there is a psychology of success on these teams. >> we had really good equipment,

shiny helmets and the salvation army had a team. they are falling out of the back of these pickups, blue jeans, loafers, slip on shoes, none of their helmets matched. they looked like ragtag, they beat us so bad. and up and down the field, looks like a track meet. those guys wanted it. those guys had the eye of the tiger and i got focused at that point on what makes people a champion, why people do and don't, i have been focused on that since that day. that's why i am sitting here today. i have seen a gavel or two in my life. >> my son jake gave me this and

this is the actual gavel from the first rep, the drama on cbs, which is really about your life running the jury consulting service. >> it is. this is inspired by my career as a scientist before i did the doctor phil show. >> the jury pool, you will get 3. >> is that right? >> you got your degree. why practice with your dad? you had a problematic relationship. >> i did. it was important to him. father and son, doctor and doctor, frankly my mother asked me to do it. for you to be yelling and screaming in front of these kids, they don't deserve things.

you need to grow up and behave yourselves. >> millions of people now, you practice one on one, did you like it? >> i was the worst marital therapist in the history of marital therapy. i was absolutely the worst. because i had no patience for it. they would come in and start arguing back and forth in 10 minutes and i like my god, no one to you people can't get along. within 10 minutes i can't stand either one of you, you should definitely get a divorce, you should definitely get a divorce. i would say that. >> what was the divorce rate like? >> people came to me to get a divorce. you want to get rid of this? it was doctor mcgraw back then, not doctor phil.

>> and people -- >> people don't want to own what they need to own. they want to blame someone else. i don't have time for that. >> the trial company was courtroom sciences inc.. i am a lawyer and fascinated by this. in the o.j. simpson case, that trial company won the case for them by the jury they picked but you said something interesting. there is a difference between telling the truth and telling the truth effectively. explained that because that is profound. >> here's the thing. i would rather have a week fact pattern will told than a great fact pattern poorly told. in any case you have a universe

of 1000 facts and out of those thousand pacts there is a subset of 10 or 12 facts that will be outcome determined. that is what the jury is going to resolve the case on and you have to figure out what those 10 facts are, what the combination is and you need to present that in a clear concise compelling way to that jerry and if you do they will bring you home and if you don't they won't. >> why did you favor representing defendants. >> we are too litigious. my heart is defending the targets. >> you think a lot of cases are bogus? but people go to the underdog? >> a lot of cases they are focused and i like helping the underdog. >> i feel about litigation away patton did about war.

your company was insanely successful. you became rich. you were a poor kid and a rich adult. did you worry when you were rich that you might be poor again? >> i don't now. i don't worry about it now. it doesn't scare me. i know how to do it. get a pair of tennis shoes and i am good. the way i met oprah, she had been sued in the mad cow case. >> she was constantly talking to you about why me? >> i remember one night, you need to wake up early because they are there and after.

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( music playing ) "princess magna." what is this? - it's a yacht. - ah! - i bet it's a fancy yacht. - it is. >> prince's magnet. what is this? >> it is a yacht. a fancy yacht. >> as you i am sure no, oprah

had been sued in the mad cow case. >> i think i heard that. she slammed beef on her show costing the millions. they said she set out to do the wrong. >> we won a great victory, we sued for billions of dollars. i get a package, a box from oprah. i open it up and there's a little note that says i don't know how to say thank you but i do know how to say yacht. we picked the boat up, i think we picked it up in nice and went up and down the coast, we went to ready and the multi-coast and santa fe and all over for a couple weeks and had a terrific time. >> 10 years ago i was accused of saying bad things about hamburgers. because of that i was put on

trial in texas and that's how i met phil. >> she said mad cow disease stopped her cold. when you heard that and heard that was the basis. >> absolute [bleep] policy but it was exploitative, opportunistic, somebody trying to get their name in the headlines, trying to bully somebody with money into giving them something. >> a very vulnerable time for me and from the moment i met phil i felt he could take the lead and get us out of that mess. >> she was constantly talking to you about why me? i am i being sued? this is unfair. you had a come to jesus with her. >> one night, she knocks on my door in the middle of the night, we go in the game room and she said what is going on here?

i cannot wrap my head around this. i said i tell you what is going on. these little boys are getting ready to hand you your ass on a platter, you need to become present here because there and after. >> did you wake up? >> did she ever. >> it is a mock trial that didn't go well in the beginning. >> it did not go well in the beginning because oprah was very irritated, annoyed, angry at being sued, as anyone would be. she was very hostile, she was not the oprah people see on television. one of the jurors said why are you mad at us? we didn't sue you. she looked at me and she said oh my god. she talks about life moments,

that was a life moment. when it came time for trial, she owned the court room. the difference between telling the truth and telling the truth effectively was never more evident. >> you made it a first amendment freedom of speech issue. >> we propose the question to the jury, what kind of america will you wake up in tomorrow if you muzzle oprah winfrey and take away her right for open debate about something of public concern? and that struck a chord and carried the day. >> there was pressure to settle this case and you were against it. >> i was. she had a group of lawyers in chicago that were to settle this

case and she asked me straight up why would you not settle the case? i said because if you don't settle this case, if you take these guys to trial, take them to verdict the line at the sue oprah window will get a lot shorter because if she settles when she will settle hundred. >> you will become an atm. don't do it. >> did she continue to call you afterward for advice? >> we talk constantly until today. we've been involved in other cases. >> i'm not talking about just personal things. >> as you do with any trusted friend. >> he lived at a higher level than anybody, yet the way you describe it, she had securities everybody has. >> everybody has insecurities. i think of her as having sensitivities. she has a health engine during personality. you feel better about you being

around her. >> you were teased in college. a lot of people thought you were abrasive. there were even producers who felt she should never have you back again. >> oprah that i want you to turn up the heat. get stronger... get closer. start listening today to the world's largest selection of audiobooks on audible. and now, get more. for just $14.95 a month, you'll get a credit a month good for any audiobook, plus two audible originals exclusive titles you can't find anywhere else. if you don't like a book, you can exchange it any time, no questions asked. automatically roll your credits over to the next month if you don't use them. with the free audible app, you can listen anytime, and anywhere. plus for the first time ever, you'll get access to exclusive fitness programs a $95 value free with membership.

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>> happy holidays from america's news headquarters and it is christmas day in most places around the globe. nowhere is that more evident than bethlehem, what is believed the city's largest christmas celebration in years. hundreds of locals and 10,000 foreign visitors, flooded the church of the nativity. the palestinians report all bethlehem cells are fully booked.

a federal judge to pay more than $500 million filed by the parents of otto warmbier, he was sentenced to hard labor on suspicion of a propaganda poster. in 2017, shortly after he returned home in a coma, his parents say he was tortured. unemployment, back to objective 5, doctor phil. >> tell me where that is. >> this i held onto because it was special to me. when i show up i get this badge, get my picture on it and it looks like a lawn ornament and on the back news this, access all the others.

i am not hollywood. i'm not a tv guy, i don't expect to get into the tv world. it was an interesting chapter. >> my next guest is here to leave you in the right direction. i have chosen him because he is the person who helped me the most. >> this is now 21 years. >> when you went there for the first time did you audition? >> i was resigned to it. it wasn't something i was really interested in doing. i was very engaged with what i was doing, happy with what i was doing. >> you are with another one show on daytime television where the host who bonded with you said come on a national platform and let's see what happens. you weren't intoxicated by that?

>> not really. >> you were teased in college, you have an accent. where you so conscious -- self-conscious? >> know, i get up for it. anything i do i get up for. >> the first show did not go great. a lot of people said you were abrasive and abusive. >> if you have a need you find a way to deal with it, don't you? problem is we don't use food, we abuse food. >> there were producers who felt they should never have you back again. >> everybody but you said it won't work. >> but he told me this wouldn't work. the audience had a strong reaction to you. >> did you know that at the time? >> it did go bad.

from my perspective it went -- from oprah's perspective it shocked a lot of people and a lot of people were like oh my god, what did he say? what is he saying? so i talked to oprah and she is like people are back on their heels, what do you think? turn up the heat. she said you didn't tell them like it is the way you do me. you held back. >> you turned up the heat. >> can i be honest? i didn't believe a word you said. you said what you think you are supposed to say, what you think the goals are supposed to be because that is what getting better means but what i'm telling you is you can't change what you don't acknowledge. >> there have been thousands of

experts on the oprah show over 20 years. i will ask you to be modest for a moment. it is undeniable. why do you think you sort higher than all of them. >> it is a different voice. the whole thing, you have to rise above the noise. it is being distinctly different and the distinct difference is positive, then that works. i came on the show in the ratings spiked, a lot of the mail that came in was about those episodes and the transcripts were about those episodes. a lot of people could have been threatened. oprah kept pushing me to the

forefront, pushing me to the forefront, doing everything she could to edify me instead of her. she is just that generous in spirit. >> what you are offering me was good enough to share with other people and i am proud that you have been able to do that in a way that impacted millions of people throughout this country and the world. >> not ever was there a time that she had an opportunity to advance the doctor phil brand that she didn't take it, double it, take it, that is what she has done. to this day, to this day. >> you were enormously successful with oprah but when you decided to do it on your own with their competitiveness

between you and oprah because you had two gigantic shows and she was the only game in town. s)

levin: oh, my god! - ( chuckles ) - oh, my god! - this is my dream! - okay. now, what did i tell you? oh, god! >> my god! this is my dream. y god! >> did this push you over the edge? >> holy smoke! oh god! this is amazing! tell me about it. this is my dream. i used to go to dealerships and look at the show room. >> 57 chevy. >> beautiful! >> bel air.

this is my dream car. i told you i didn't have a lot of money but i had a lot of dreams. >> do you drive it? >> i drive all the time. >> oh my god! >> driving down sunset boulevard in a convertible 57 chevy the goes 200 miles an hour, you are likely to be inconspicuous. you can hide. >> you were enormously successful with oprah. and right before your show aired. doctor laura with a mustache, it is not going to work for him.

were you nervous? >> people ask me will you miss oprah? do you think it will make a difference that she's not there? i am like let me think. we are going to eliminate the most clarion voice in the history of television from the equation. do you think that will matter? yes. there is a good chance that will matter. oprah believed in it. she said this will work and there are reasons why. no question we planned it that way. >> in a meeting you have been enormously successful. when that happened, was there a competitiveness between you and oprah because you have these new gigantic shows and she was the only game in town until you came along.

>> not at all and i will tell you why. none of them is a full. we both agreed when they went out to sell the show they could never sell it that way. ever. >> that protect you from human nature? >> i don't know what it was for her. their responsibility to support you as an adult is no more than your responsibility to do what they tell you. >> what you doing the show you view yourself as a talkshow host or psychologist? >> neither. i view myself as an educator. they are teaching tools. i don't consider what i do as therapy. but i do think it is educational. >> i've been doing tv for a long time as you haven't i think i have a sense of what makes

certain people click. in my opinion you are a great entertainer. do you view yourself as an entertainer? >> i hope so. i have had people ask me that, you are not asking it as an insult, some people do. some people -- isn't what you do entertainment? i hope so. what i'm trying to do is tell a compelling story and resolve it in a way people can use. my father died without one time in my life ever saying he was proud of me. don't you do that to your boy. >> finish the sentence. as a boss, i am -- >> demanding.

i think when people write in, are willing to put their lives out there, get on an airplane, fly all the way out here and lay it all out they deserve absolute undivided attention. they deserve for us to have done our homework on their situation, on the research, the history, resources, the whole thing and i think we should do that and we are. >> when you met robin she broke up with you. >> he didn't break up with me. she kicked me to the curb. very foundation of your typical bank. capital one is anything but typical. that's why we designed capital one cafes. you can get savings and checking accounts with no fees or minimums. and one of america's best savings rates. to top it off, you can open one from anywhere in 5 minutes.

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tell me about that. well, you know, robin and i got married in 1976. we've been married 41 years. >> tell me about that. >> robin and i got married in 1976. we have been married 41 years if you can believe that. when we got married, what do you want to do for our honeymoon? she said i want to go to the front. we flew out here and went to the price is right in television

city and we didn't get on the show but robin was so energetic. these where our nametags. >> when you met robin you data for four years, she broke up with you. >> she didn't break up with me, she kicked my dog ash to the curb. you are either in or you are out. you have enough time, you are out. who am i kidding here? she is part of my life so i said i can really never thank her enough for the wake-up call because if i have let her get away i never would have gotten on the show. >> one of the things that surprised me was something you did for her for your 20th anniversary. >> one for each year that we had been married.

this was the hard part, i collect pictures from each year and made her a book and i call that the 20 year spin and gave it to her. she has treasured that greatly. i'm not a great poet but i did like the last one. i remember the last one. if life were a garden i could walk through again with a flower i would pick for another 20 years and we have gone another 20 years. >> when jay was born he had a medical problem and that impacted you. >> each of the boys has had one medical problem that has impacted me as much is anything in my life. j was 4 weeks old, he had stenosis in this valve here that

he could not get into his stomach so he had to go into surgery. could have starved to death. when you put a child under anesthesia at 4 weeks old, there's high risk and i was on staff in the hospital and the doctors were saying i was able to carry him into the operating room. >> you insisted on it. >> i did. i wanted to take him in there. it is not just about you anymore. you have the responsibility of the child. >> let's talk about jordan. how did that happen? you got a vasectomy. >> i did. i got a vasectomy because we agreed we were going to have one child.

and then, about six years later we were in a big meeting. she was on the other side of the room, but the ceiling was a parabolic reflector and i heard her whisper as though she was right in my year and i heard her say i regret having agreed to just have one child. and i thought wow. and the next morning i was at the hospital making rounds and our ob/gyn who delivered joe miller i was telling about this and he said we can reverse it. i am walking into the operating room taking my shirt off. i walked in, taking my shirt off. they are looking around in the

operating room, does afford a half hour surgery under a microscope, put it all back together. so they stood me up and walked me out. >> like weekend at bernie's. >> i can't move, at 8:30 they get me out of the car, stand me up, he puts me, a pink wrapped present with baby clothes under one arm, and another present under the other arm, standing at the curb and blowing the horn and pulling off and leaving me standing there. and telling me i heard what you said in that room and i had my vasectomy reversed. and she starts crying and couldn't be happier. i said there's a 50-50 chance it will work, she was pregnant in 7 weeks.

>> way to go. >> the result was could swim. >> one of the reasons i wanted to do this with you is i am fascinated you have succeeded in so many areas, psychology, jerry science, television, business.

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>> this is fantastic. how often do you play? >> every day. >> this is old. >> this was given to me by the mother of my dear friend bill dawson, marge dawson plays with his racket in texas in his senior year, 1938. can you imagine hitting the ball? >> it is such a small thing. you had a ball with it? >> one of the top-ranked american players who just retired has played me with his racket. >> i want to talk -- you are an expert. one of the reasons i wanted to do this is i'm fascinated you succeeded in so many areas, psychology, jury science, television, business. what is the secret?

>> for me, i think it is a matter of knowing what you want and knowing what you are willing to do to get it. i know what i can do is what i can't do. i stay in my lane. >> how do you take losing? >> not well. >> do you throw that? >> know i don't. i just come back harder the next time. >> until you win. >> damn right. >> you talk about creating your experience a lot. not sure i understand what that means. >> you get what you get. if you go through life negative with a chip on your shoulder and pessimistic that is how you engage the world, you are going to get negative, pessimistic, chip on your shoulder responses. if you go through life with an expectation of success and an expectation people are going to

accept what you are offering, you are so much more likely to get that result. i was a person with that streak. i know that. i lived with an alcoholic father. i would go to school knowing the windows in my kitchen got kicked out last night. we didn't have any utilities. i'm sitting next to a kid comparing my reality with his social mess. that is what kids do. as a result, you feel second-class until you generate the results you think you deserve. people can't transiently be preyed upon. i tell people who have been molested in their childhood you have 0 responsibility for that happening to you as a child, you have 100% responsibility for what you do about it as an adult. >> i have a fear that if i stop

working i'm going to drop dead. do you have if you like that? >> i do. i think if anybody loses passion in their life, if there is not something they feel a purpose for, i think it really takes away a life drive. if you don't have a reason to get up tomorrow, if you don't have something you think is a meaningful contribution to this life, i think your whole purpose, your momentum, your whole drive goes away. i starting to make changes in my life now that anticipate what i know is coming. >> what is coming? >> i wasn't i candy when i started. as each day goes by i am looking more and more like an old

catchers mitt. i'm starting to do things behind the camera. >> i have really enjoyed this. thank you so much. >> i'm flattered that you wanted to do this, thank you so much. >> i honored. hello. everyone. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is the five. ♪ we hope you're having a merry christmas eve. we have lots of goodies in store for you today, including a trip down memory lane, and juan fulfills his childhood dreams. we take a look back at some of the most fun moments of the year including a special christmas treat. greg, jessie and gawp head