you. >> yes, me of course. >> your home looks beautiful. not my home, but thank you, it has been so fun. >> we will do it again tomorrow. >> we will. "outnumbered" starts right now. merry christmas, everyone. >> merry christmas. ♪ >> harris: merry christmas, and thank you for joining us on this special day, this is "outnumbered," i am melissa francis, here is harris faulkner, katie pavlich, former director of strategic communications for the hillary clinton campaign adrian elrod and joining us on the couch today editor in chief or campusreform.org, lawrence jones. he has outnumbered. i love this look that you are bringing to us today. >> lawrence: i thought it would be in the christmas spirit. >> harris: the turtleneck is very dense l. [laughter] >> lawrence: i will take it. >> melissa: feeling festive,

we love it, let's get to it, days away from the start of the 116th congress, a divided congress that brings many questions about president trump's agenda during his third year in office. republicans will hold the senate with a slightly expanded majority of following the midterms. but democrats are ready to take the house majority. and the newly democrats alleged committees could mean dozens of investigations into the president and his administration, everything from president trump's tax return and his family businesses to involvement with russia, spending by cabinet secretaries, the puerto rico hurricane response, you remember that. the creation of a space for us, and on and on and on. here's incoming house oversight chairman elijah cummings on whether he will issue the 64 different subpoena requests that he has made as ranking member which republicans have declined. watch this. >> acting like a federal

courthouse. courtroom. i want civility, and we will address subpoenas in a very systematic way. of those 64. >> melissa: sounds delightful, and issuing 61 letters to the heads of several government agencies and whitehouse and trump organizations requesting documents. the letters themselves are not subpoenas, but signaled the ambition of house democrats when they take control of oversight. in the meantime, possible hope for some bipartisan efforts and a letter incoming democratic freshman road to their leadership this month. an excerpt reading "we are united in the belief that whatever the differences we may have with the republican colleagues it is our solemn responsibility to debate and pass legislation that improves the lives of those who elected us." house majority leader kevin mccarthy responding to that letter saying that he is willing to work with the democrats in the new year writing "as you acknowledge in your letter, legislating as a number one priority, i agree.

as the next congress doubles into a food fight of investigations it will come at the expense of real solutions for real americans i think our country is too great for a vision so small. kumbaya, merry christmas." what do you think? >> lawrence: that was a nice christmas letter, i do not think that that will take place. this is a party and a group of freshmen, you have people that will be like the freedom caucus. they will help hold on to the principles. they will challenge their own party. but this will also be incoming congress that targets the political opponents. you already had ocasio-cortez telling don jr. that she has subpoena for power. that will be problematic. there will be an investigation after investigation. and it will be a divided congress. >> melissa: katie, after she gets she gets inaugurated, remember when she said that. >> katie: she might not, by the way. >> melissa: what do you think?

what do you think about alleged comments commented that it will be -- >> katie: if you say it will be like a federal courthouse you are implying that there are serious crimes committed which is a big accusation to make. the white house is going to have to deal with a lot of the investigations. that is been very clear as they took the house back that this is what they would be doing, you do not just need the freshman class to be a problem when it comes to targeting political enemies, elijah cummings in charge of the oversight committee while he has the minority was in touch with the irs about targeting conservatives back in 2015 and 2014. so when it comes to them arguing that he is trying to put a check on the administration to get rid of corruption, he has some serious things in his past about how he has used his minority power, so him being in the majority is going to be questionable. >> melissa: adrian, one thing i would say is that all of the investigations are seldom satisfying, a group comes in and whether it is lock her up or their email, there never seems

to be any sort of end to it or pay out, what you think democrats are going to do? >> adrienne: i think that they will use their constitutional authority and investigate to the extent that they need to, while at the same time i know that you guys always laugh when i say this, but walk and chew gum at the same time. >> melissa: get it in there. >> harris: it is christmas. >> melissa: drink eggnog and eat cookies. >> adrienne: there are a lot of questions that remain, and you will see elijah cummings, adam schiff, and jerry nadler, all three of whom have jurisdiction over relevant oversight committees, looking into the issues that matter. >> lawrence: why does it feel like they are fishing. >> adrienne: they have not even started yet, we have not been taken over or in the new congress yet. >> lawrence: they are already making allegations of things that they have no proof of. just saying let a search until we find something. >> adrienne: because it is our constitutional authority to look into the matters. >> lawrence: but they are also

targeting political opponents without any probable cause. >> adrienne: there is plenty of evidence and ammunition that would allow for the hearings. that is exactly what is happening. republicans have been doing that to democrats for a long time. >> harris: ammunition and probable cause are two different concepts. probable cause is how you find the truth out in the criminal justice system. right? >> adrienne: that is right, it is also using congress as the oversight authority. >> katie: democrats also have to be careful, because republicans held a lot of hearings, got some information, but not many results when it comes to accountability for corrupt government officials. people get really tired of that. that's why we see the swing in power and if democrats are going to go after the trump administration and republicans and federal government agencies run by duly appointed committees by president trump without having results of what they are promising in terms of real accountability, they will have a problem on their hands. we have to remember that 2020 is very close. democrat debates are going to be

happening in nine months, the primary is going to start. if democrats have to be careful about what they say when it comes to a presidential election, because president trump can use some of the things that they are doing in congress against him on the campaign trail for 2020. >> harris: i just have a huge question and concern about how we park our vehicle at the end of each investigation. it is like you have been driving 100 miles an hour and then he pull into a space crooked. i'm just wondering what accountability does look like? what is the end game? because if it is just too politically posture and point fingers and to do whatever you can to kind of district along the way until 2020, that benefits no one. we have real issues in this country. we have 20 million people who could fall off the role of health care depending on who is driving the car and how fast they are going at this point. there are so many other things that we could be adjudicating, if you will. if you want to investigate something, let's investigate how

to keep pre-existing conditions. >> lawrence: i do not think that that is their mission. the mission is to find something. and that is my problem, i've been against, i have been an advocate for criminal justice reform my entire career. and so i am very, i wish i democrats would just admit that they want to find something. it has nothing to do with how they start the investigation. can i just find something on the trump administration. >> melissa: republicans have investigated and investigated and until we're blue in the face, nothing has come of it. for democrats, there are a lot of people out there that the president says that to the walls are closing in. that phrase has been so overuse overused. >> harris: but they don't like the wall. they don't want the wall. >> melissa: so certainly democrats feel like there is probable cause to go in and investigate. and i wonder if you think that something is going to come of it. because on the republican side it would say that people

definitely thought something was going to come with it and nothing has come of it. >> adrienne: nothing has come of it because nothing is happening at, because democrats have not taken over the oversight authority of the committee as yet. i'm simply saying that to this is -- there has not been a check and balance on the administration because republicans have had full authority of the house, the senate, and the white house. >> lawrence: you did not participate in the investigations? >> adrienne: it is a comment upon democrats to look into some of these issues. as part of the oversight authority. >> harris: after driving 100 miles an hour, can we just parked the car not corkage? pull into the space, show us what we got. there's sure to be a lot of focus on the economy in 2019, there are questions of whether the upward momentum will last. 155,000 jobs were added last month with the unemployment rate being historically low at 3.7%. and gdp holding at 3.5% during

the third quarter. and while it cooled off somewhat from 4.2 percent in the second quarter, it remains in line with the white house goal of achieving a three-point -- 3% growth rate. president trump during my interview at the white house this month pointed to a job creation as a key accomplishment. watch. >> everyone is doing so well, there's not a lot of pressure. if you look at unemployment numbers, they are the best in 50 years. if you look at african-american unemployment, hispanic unemployment, asian unemployment. >> harris: lots of bright spots. to >> the best numbers ever. i've done a good job on the economy. >> harris: a recent fox news poll says that americans are feeling pretty good about the economy, and while optimism is down from 2016, the plurality of voters, 45% say the economy will be better next year. 39% say that it will be worse. other national polls show less optimism about next year's

economy. voters generally give the president high marks on the handling of the economy then over his overall job performance. they suggest that it is one of its best issues to highlight. and he may not be able to afford losing it as a selling point. jimmy carter lost and -- as a recession, i see you nodding. >> melissa: it is really true, you have to worry because we have never gone more than ten years without a slow down or a recession. not that that really means anything, but that is the point that we are out right now. i think one of the biggest problems as we have a federal reserve chair who is woefully out of touch with what is going on with the economy. >> harris: why is that? >> melissa: i do not know how it happened, but if you listen to the remarks, he did not recognize any of the spots where things are slowing down, outside our borders, use the economies that are slowing down. he raised rates any signal so that he is going to continue to do that. >> harris: instead of three, but still twice. >> melissa: he did not even notice that the price of oil has plummeted which is a good thing

for drivers, but either telling you that there is an economic slow down coming around the world and they do not think that we will need as much energy or to saying that the price of inputs is going down that is deflationary, all the goods that we buy are going down, which is great, but he is raising interest rates in that environment that makes no sense. >> harris: a really quick follow-up, i saw that the fed put out its statement that this was not political, why would that even be necessary? >> melissa: because he has been chided by tweeting president saying the right things. what the president says it's correct, he should not raise rates, he needs to lay off, but you cannot pressure the federal reserve chair publicly, because you shame them into doing the opposite thing. >> harris: and we are back to twitter. >> lawrence: i understand the president's frustration from a political standpoint, i'm not sure that the economy will be enough anyway. i know that he did not companion on it during the midterm. >> harris: you do not think so so? >> lawrence: it is not enough to get people out to the polls,

they do not go when they are there for something they are for. >> harris: not to congratulate. >> lawrence: i think the mental justice was good. >> harris: let me ask you, because i went past darrell scott on my show talking about some problems he had negotiating with some of the 12 republicans who said "no" to that going forward. how is that as much a victory in 2019 for the president looking back if there republicans against it? >> lawrence: it is a victory for the president, because this is a president that the administration was able to work with both sides of the aisle to get this done. traditionally criminal justice before the rights really caught wind of it, president obama was not able to pass legislation such as this. you even have van jones applauding the president forgetting something like this done. if so this is a president that is not an ideologue. he was able to accomplish this very on the forefront of this, working with both sides, and they got it done.

>> katie: there is a big risk to the criminal justice bill, it was bipartisan, but there were some amendments that did not pass that were pretty significant in terms of not passing. informing victims of crimes if their criminal got out of prison early for example, so there is a risk in the sense that if these people who are released through the criminal justice reform regardless of where you fall on it go out and commit violent crimes, that is a new story that the president is going to have to deal with in a negative one. i'm not saying that that will happen, but there is a risk to the consequences of the things they did not get into the legislation that may be politically a problematic thing for the president. when it comes to his message in 2016 which was all about law and order, making sure that we bring the crime rate down and then trying to marry that with the message going into 2020, we are going to have to see how many results that criminal justice reform bill actually has when it comes to not putting those negative stories at the forefront. >> harris: i would pick this

up with you, speed, as a pushback to what katie is saying, what this does is possibly frees up resources to go after more violent offenders, because you are not looking at the nonviolent crime. so that is a definite positive, that is something that jared kushner and yvonne could trump, and kim kardashian, not that she is with administration, but those that looked at the human side of this, and going into society. >> adrienne: that's right, and it was disappointing to see mitch mcconnell, the republican majority leader certified this at the beginning, you see todd cotten, from arkansas, my home state. but look, this was a bipartisan victory for president trump, and for the democrats that he worked with. a big deal for both sides. and most important in a big deal for dealing with mass incarceration. >> harris: all right, there we go. forget about 2019, democrats are already looking at 2020. at least some of them come i

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♪ >> katie: a little bit more than a year after me too walked to the halls of the hill, congress passed changes to how they will handle sexual harassment claims. all this as a record number of women are said to be sworn into the new congress, they would hold lawmakers personally liable for words and settlements stemming from harassment and retaliation that they personally commit. that includes those who leave office. they can no longer pay out settlements with taxpayer funds. president trump must sign the bill before it becomes law. here's democratic congresswoman jackie sphere, sponsor of the bipartisan legislation. >> my message is quite simple,

times up. time is finally up for members of congress who think that they can sexually harass and get away with it. they will no longer be able to slink away with no one knowing that they have harassed. there will be transparency, and members will be held accountable. >> katie: this from outgoing speaker paul ryan "the legislation will remedy some of the areas where the institution as small and unacceptably short. while it begins to answer the call this moment creating lasting change to the culture will require continued vigilance by all who serve here." so harass, you called this the hush fund. >> harris: i call it that shush fun. >> katie: which is great. >> harris: you saw people before she is now in her departure of congress, but you saw people like barbara comstock and jackie sphere working across the political aisle to get this taken care of. and you know, i have reported

how it was difficult to even get men to come to the meeting. so that they could talk about this, these were some tough issues on the hill, and what you do not want is me too to go to 2019 hashtag again. >> lawrence: i'm glad that they have taken an initiative to get something passed, but i want to know about the current slush fund that they had to come i want to know who started it and how it was appropriated. >> harris: it needs an investigation. >> lawrence: they never investigate themselves, which is why the department of justice should handle this. and i think that it really goes to the heart of d.c. swamp that they had it for so many years, and when you start asking questions, nobody knew where the money come from. and nobody knew. >> harris: do you think it changes now that there are more women on the hill? with them and not going to the meetings, some of them did not feel that it was necessary. >> lawrence: i do not mean to be insensitive, but they are impressed that -- some of the

women did not know about it as well. so they did it so that they could have leadership positions. >> harris: oh, wow. >> lawrence: nobody wants to talk about it, because a political favor, they protect people in favor. >> katie: if you have been around washington, d.c., enough, you know that there is plenty of horsetrading, both men and wome women. >> melissa: it is so outrageous that it was taxpayers paying off the members of victims, who were harassing others, it is outrageous. it is so logical that if you are punished for harassing someone you have to pay out of your own pocket. i mean, can you imagine that they had to have a reform in order to make that happen? a lot of people asking the question has a culture really changed coming in here is what i would say about that. the culture here has changed. the culture at some other networks has changed. for some it has not come home to roost yet. the financial industry, the culture.

the big part has changed. d.c. was one of the last places to get hit. i hope that this is a sign that it is changing. it is possible, because we have seen it happen. it is possible. but people have to follow through. and we will see. >> katie: there have to be consequences for actions, may be people on capitol hill who are in power will know that they will be personally liable for thousands and thousands of dollars of payouts if they want to keep their harassment quiet, maybe there will be less harassment. but mike pence, vice president mike pence was given a lot of flak for talking about how, look at, i don't go drinking with women who are now my wife. i will not go to dinner with women who are not my wife. but that is a change in the culture too. you have to change how people interact with each other and maintain professionalism and not get down on people who do not want to engage in some type of behavior that may lead them towards a path of crossing some lines either purposefully or on accident. >> harris: the reason that i was talking about the facts

without, it is your opinion, whatever, but i would put this out there for women. this is what you see. we continue to see it in certain places in her own tv industry. so whether it is the people who are harassed and became the victims or the wider group of victims who had to compete with those people who had a different thing going on behind the scenes, it damages everybody. and it is that the thing could be the illegal behavior of having pressure put on them or god forbid worse, it damages everybody in the system, because there is not an even playing field. so you have to fix it, because we elected them to go there. if this is not like a ceo's decision to put somebody in the job. they are spending our money fixing their bad problems. they have to fix it. >> lawrence: really quickly, do not forget nancy pelosi was speaker of the house when all of this was going down pretty >> harris: i was not saying that there was not evidence. >> harris: adrienne, what do you think. a >> adrienne: to even try to

blame any of this on nancy pelosi is going a little far. >> lawrence: she plays a part in it. >> adrienne: she does not play a part in a slush fund. no, no. >> harris: then that is an even bigger problem. she did not know -- >> adrienne: here's what i will say. this has been an ongoing problem. i spent six years on capitol hill, as a chief of staff, and can tell you that when i was there there were some guidelines about how to handle sexual assault issues in your office, but there was not to the awareness that there is now. and that is why i think that we have to look out and applaud women like jackie spear, members of congress who have led this issue in a bipartisan way. because we have to change the culture and it starts with the fact that we cannot allow taxpayer dollars to be used for payouts. it must come out of somebody's own pocket. >> melissa: we all agree on that point. absolutely. >> katie: showing president trump two years and

his popularity with republican voters and what that means, coue a primary challenge in 2020, some g.o.p. voters say that they are open to it and whether anyone will step up and what it will take to win. recent polls showing democrats split on the type of candidate that they hope to run in 2020, we will see what one state means to regroup after the shellacking in 2016. ♪

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spoke to the countdown is on for democrats considering a 2020 run to get the ground game up and running. a recent poll likely iowa democratic caucus goers shows i'm torn between some familiar candidates and fresh young faces. former vice president joe biden enjoys a sizable lead, look at that, 32%. independent senator bernie sanders in second with 17%, democratic congressman beto o'rourke third at 11% and trailing them, senators elizabeth warren at 8% and connell harris at 5%. also showing most democratic voters in iowa are prioritizing electability with the majority at 54% saying it is more important for the caucus winner to have a strong chance of defeating president trump. compare that to 40% who say that it is more important to have a candidate who shares their position on key issues. in the meantime, resume report said that joe biden who at 76 is

weighing his age heavily as he considers a white house bid. all right, adrienne, i will start with you. one thing that is interesting, elizabeth warren for all the press that she gets and she enjoys, i thought a lot of popularity, but whenever they do these polls, it changes who is at the top. but she is always at the bottom. >> adrienne: this poll in particular is a problem for her, because she is 80% name i.d. in iowa, she pulls at 8%. so you have somebody like joe biden who has 99% name recognition, and 36%. so he is holding a very steady lead, he also does not have much more room to grow because he has such wide name i.d. but elizabeth warren does not look too great for her. this is early on, the polls are largely name i.d. polls across the board anyway. we all know that caucus states is all about organization, organization, organization. that's how you get the caucus goers out. so you may see pulling that

eventually does not relate the results, because it is the term based on your ability to organize your caucus goers. but it is interesting to see these numbers, and i think that, harris has a lot of room to gro grow. >> harris: i want to comment on data and how critically important you pointed out is, just more so than interesting and local news they do the quadrants, and we are always taught that you want, even if it is lowered recognition, you want the gap between recognition and that gap between you to be tight. if 80% of people know you, 71% of them have decided apparently that they do not like you. and that is hard to turn around. that is hard to fix. >> adrienne: it is, it is a reminder that a lot of these with so many people running on the democratic side, a lot of small things that might seem like small issues are going to actually define these candidates, and they are defending these candidates.

i don't know that she is ever going to be able to truly shake that. we have not really started the race yet, so we will see what happens early next year. >> harris: you should tell people what it is about to, whether they are talking about dna. >> adrienne: the cultural appropriation. if i were your team i would look at the pole and say, you know what, we have some real work to do in iowa. >> harris: would you run her? >> adrienne: yes, i would, of course, she has a strong front runner. >> harris: what happened? >> katie: elizabeth warren is a very strong candidate for president. i think that she will do very well. i saw a poll last week that showed elizabeth warren is more unpopular than hillary clinton. hillary clinton is beating elizabeth warren nationally when it comes to favor. >> harris: you know who notice that. hillary clinton. >> katie: hillary clinton, president trump. the dna test is what we are talking about, to your point is

elizabeth warren decided in october before the election to roll out to this massive campaign with a fancy website and a video about how she was maybe 11,024th native american. she was rebuked heavily but not only by her own party, but the cherokee nation as being outrageous and trying to use this for some reason, but not really using it for other things, let's not forget that she used a minority status to get ahead in her career repeatedly, that was bad across the country, not just for a democratic primary voters. but let's not forget that iowa become a big secret that is not a secret, it does not matter that much. i think joe biden if he can get through the primary, the problem is that the left has gone so far left of that getting through the intersection reality of that and having a white man at the top of the ticket is a really big problem getting through the primary. but he poses a threat to president trump in general. >> lawrence: it is a tough needle to thread for the

democrats. >> melissa: for every party, this is always the problem. a >> lawrence: at one point they need the base and their support, and i'm not sure that joe biden has that support right now. but if the democrats, they have to be about the long game. do they want the popular vote? or the electoral college? if they are thinking about that, then joe biden is the best guy, he is authentic and can speak to both sides of the party, but he has to get through the primary,i do not think that the pole means anything right now. >> adrienne: i just want to make an important point about the primary process, california which was at the very end last time, literally the last voting state in the country, june 6th is now on super tuesday. california has the most delegates than any other state and country, early voting in california literally starts the same day that the iowa caucus is. that creates a whole new fascinating receptive and challenge for a lot of democrats. it also creates a huge advantage to people like kamala harris who will do very well in california,

so it does not necessarily diminish i was importance, but it also creates a totally different ball game. >> katie: speaking of primary challenges, president trump could see one in 2020, the top names being floated are john kasich and jeff flake, telling our own harris faulkner that he hopes that they do challenge him, he says that he has tremendous support among women and the best base in the history of politics. in the meantime, susan collins is a primary challenge would be healthy for the democratic process. >> a lot of times it allows different viewpoints to surface. it can help influence public policy down the road, and it is healthy for our democracy. so it is up to those individuals to decide whether or not they are going to oppose the president. they would probably have an uphill climb since he is the president and is in office now.

>> katie: challenging president trump could be an uphill climb as the senator from maine says. fox news pulsating about 90% of g.o.p. voters approve of the president's job performance. buddy another pull pole out of iowa shows 63% of republicans saying that they would welcome a primary challenge. you are laughing through it. jeff flake, the primary? >> melissa: i think that there are a president would love it so much. nobody loves a fight more than the president. and to have somebody come in, especially somebody like jeff flake, whose name fits in so well. i do think she is right that it is a good way to get some issues out there. if you have somebody might bring to the president store and force him to address, i don't know, he would definitely get fired up. so i bet that he pretends like he does not want to challenge or try and trick someone to coming

out and running against him. which he would love. >> katie: susan collins says that this will be healthy for the republicans, when it would actually be healthy for democrats because it will require bringing out again that inciting that we saw in 2016 which was not necessarily healthy for the party. >> lawrence: it was bad, it was so bad, there are some friendships that still cannot get back together. people cannot forgive each other, some of them have moved on. we do not need that. but i will say that the president is at his best when he is on the road. and quite frankly, i think that he needs to be on the road right now, because that's when he gets the opportunity to sell his message. but i also agree with katie, it's going to get nasty again. and it is going to go back to if he is really a conservator, there will be the argument again. the voters in the g.o.p. decide that they do not care if he is conservative or not, they want the agenda to get done. as long as he has a people's agenda, he will be fine. but i do think that it will warm him up.

>> katie: does the primary help the president? the civil war going on in the left in terms of trying to get your candidate to the top of the ticket to challenge president trump? >> adrienne: there will be so much focus on the democratic primary itself, and it's challenging the sitting president, that would be a little bit more of an equal balance as a distraction, but i also want to make the point that president trump's approval ratings in the g.o.p. are significant. it's going to be very, very hard for somebody to come in there and make a dent. i do not remember the exact statistic, but i think that it is something like he has more supports within his own party. democrat or republican in their respective party than anybody else had and i don't know, 30 or 40 years. his strength within the party is substantial. that will be very difficult. it just not mean that a democrat cannot beat him, but the republicans will have a very hard time beating him in a republican primary. >> harris: i will dovetail,

because there was a report in south carolina debt, and i about a look at canceling the south carolina primary to protect the president from any sort of right flank contest. it builds, and it makes you tougher. that's why we do military exercises before we go onto the battlefield, it does bogged on mine, who in the republican party is so worried about the president that they would cancel the primary? >> lawrence: i think the party. >> harris: that is a report, it has not happened yet. >> lawrence: the president is now the leader of the party, and so i can see some establishment leaders trying to protect them. but i do not think it is necessary. >> harris: knowing who he is, do you think that he needs it? >> lawrence: i think you could be insulted by it, run anyway. >> katie: to take the destruction off the table. >> harris: is at a good thing? >> katie: i think it is from a

communication standpoint. >> harris: oh, interesting. >> katie: if there is no south carolina primary, there is no media coverage of the opponent to donald trump talking about all of these things. instead the focus is on democrats. >> harris: could there be others? >> katie: it is not unprecedented, this is not the first time a primary has been canceled. the holiday season should be a time of peace, but new polls show that many americans are extremely concerned about her country's political division. should they be? and is there any hope of stability this year? >> harris: nope. >> katie: we will debate in a very simple fashion after the break. ♪ your typical bank. capital one is anything but typical. that's why we designed capital one cafes. you can get savings and checking accounts with no fees or minimums. and one of america's best savings rates. to top it off, you can open one from anywhere in 5 minutes.

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>> harris: we can certainly hope for a tidings of comfort and joy this holiday season, but a majority of americans seem concerned that political division may keep us from hugging each other tight. a new fox poll showing 70% of people are extremely or very concerned about those divisions. second only to health care. another recent national poll showing 70% believe that things are less civil between republicans and democrats since president trump selection. in those numbers are pretty close across party lines. when it comes to blame for the tone in washington, d.c., president trump and the media are in a virtual tie with far fewer americans blaming congressional democrats or republicans. but there is some hope when it comes to the holidays. there is always hope, people. 27% of people say that politics is a factor in who they will hang out with while 66% say it does not matter. come on, love, take it over. love always wins. what's going on? >> melissa: everybody blames the president for the tone, i

think that he is a symptom, not necessarily the cause. he is not helping. that is for sure. but a lot of the cause of social media where you see people say what they really think, and really hide behind the keyboard and stay much nastier things than they actually think. i think that there a lot of people on the right that think that the president is the first one to fight back against the left, that they have been bullied for a long time into if you are right of center, you are racist, you are a bad person. he is the first person to fight back. and the late charles krauthammer who said that one of the big problems is if you disagree with the right, the right things that you are wrong. if you disagree with the left, the left thinks you are evil. and a bad person. and i don't know, those are my thoughts on the subject. >> harris: hope for stability and 2019? >> lawrence: i don't. >> harris: you don't have any hope? >> lawrence: i don't. >> harris: i thought you were formally a democrat, what happened to hope and change? >> lawrence: it did not work.

>> harris: i know you're a republican. he answered my own question. >> lawrence: i will go on a limb, i think that we are responsible for some of it, because the audience does not understand a lot of people when we debate, we are debating our degrees, but we love each other, anything would happen where we would be the first one to defene another. but they see what happens on tv, and i think that they feel like we all hate each other and they feel they need -- >> melissa: i love adrienne. >> adrienne: i love all of you. >> lawrence: they do not see it. and i see it in my dating life while people are so quick to see your profile and what you do, and all of that, before they even get to meet you, they hate you. and that sucks. >> harris: i see where this comes from, young single man. >> katie: we did not know about your dating life. >> harris: i know. >> katie: it's nice to see that most people are not allowing this to affect them, i

think that people can be tolerant of each other and get along. have different political perspectives and be friends or family members as some of us have, but at the same time, political viewpoints also can be a reflection of what your values are. and if you have certain values that are reflective of conservative values or liberal values, that tends to determine who you hang out with, who your kids are around, what kind of schools you want your children in, what kind of movies you want them seeing. these things do play into our daily lives and culture is upstream from politics paid by politics affects everybody whether they want it to or not. but there could be more debate, more stability, more coming together, because when you have a conversation with someone you find out that there is a lot more that you agree on then you disagree on. but i do understand there being these fundamental principles that are not just about politics but how you run your life and your household and that might not jive with the people that you necessarily want to be around. >> harris: adrienne. >> adrienne: i will say this

in 2016 after the presidential election i think that there were a lot of polls that were done or lightly a lot of stories that were done that show that people do not want to go home and be with their families or their extended families, because of their divergent viewpoints and the fact that it was fresh off the heels of a very divisive election, a lot of people did not want to be around their extended family. i think that that is different now. that is good. i think that people realize, sure, we can have different viewpoints, but also we are family. the holidays it should bring people together in love one another and support and celebrate one another. i think that that is where we are going now. >> harris: i hope so. i would hope so, and you did have hope, but now we know why, it's your dating life that we need to worry about. what i am fearful about in 2019 is that we start to celebrate -- what i hope about in 2019 is that we celebrate those things that bring us together.

we need a safe space for the middle. someplace that is protected where when you get there you go, man, this feels really good, let's stay here for just a moment and love on each other. the goal for me and i raise my kids this way. we talk about this all the time is not to figure out who is right, but to get to what is right. and the only way that we can we do that is to work together and not vilify the other side for being different. i don't want to be like everybody else but i'm glad we are different. i celebrate that, but when we come together it is amazing. >> melissa: people are so dug in, if the president cured cancer they would say that he was playing god and over populating the planet and ruining the environment were too many people i hope not. >> katie: there is a presidential election coming up, so i'm sure that things will be just fine. >> harris: there is no sarcasm, just when students thought that the best part of school was having days off for the holidays, no districts across the nation are putting time limits on homework. or banning it all together on certain days.

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♪ >> melissa: one of the jolly as parts of christmas for kids is no school for a week or so, but now some schools are putting nightly time limits on homework or doing away with it altogether. others are no longer grating kids on their homework. according to "the wall street journal." the goal behind ending homework is to give students more time for family, reading, and rest after parents complained that kids are overworked. one parent who supports a policy saying "these kids have so much homework at younger and younger ages, and have been for a bit if they have an after-school activity or they want to spend time with her family." but teachers say that it takes away a tool to reinforce the day's lessons, and parents feel that it leaves them out of the academic process. as one says in my house we are very hands-on, homework is a way to determine if our child is falling behind. i think it takes parents out of

the equation. i feel like we are going to disagree about this. >> harris: it is about time management and responsibility, those are the things they get from deadline and homework. if you do not have them, you are poor at those skills. if they are not reinforced in other ways. like a job, but you are nine, you do not have a job. you have homework. >> katie: or soccer. i will take the other side of the battle, because new york brags that they are up until 1:00 in the morning, and it is crazy. i would say my oldest son goes to a very competitive school where they move really fast, they learn a lot of stuff, but they have student hours during the day, they have my kid for eight hours a day plus, if they cannot teach him everything that he needs in that time, i want my few hours at home to be with him. >> harris: i do not know that people are up until 1:00 a.m. the >> lawrence: they are. >> harris: that is not what i'm talking about, you have sports, which teaches you social skills and so on and so forth, but there should be a balance

but i don't want them to take all of it away. >> katie: i think that teachers should be responsible for teaching inside the classroom, and it reinforces the responsibility on the teacher and also challenges the kids to understand what they are learning that day review it tomorrow, at the beginning of class and move on. and if you are having problems you can come back after school hours and get a tutor, and parents at home, sure, you can reinforce it at home. >> harris: do you really think that people will spend that much more time with their kids if they are not doing their homework? a lot of kids are not seeing their parents anyway because everybody has to work. >> katie: you should not always have to delegate school work outside of school. teachers have a responsibility to teach inside the classroom, get the job done there and come home so that kids can be kids and not doing -- >> harris: you are "outnumbered" ." >> katie: i'm also not a parent. so maybe i can change my perspective. >> melissa: before they got older i thought that homework

was about organizing a life, but now i pick my kids out from various sports practices, we go home, we do homework, but then i want a time after that, because then you have to sports can we do the homework, you have dinner, it's bedtime. like i need a sliver. >> harris: we break here at night. we always find some time. >> katie: my parents required, for every like to sports, they were require an academic camp in the summertime, so that was another way for them to reinforce the academic side of it. i had plenty of homework and it help me organize things into rantings and on time, i will never forget an eighth grade i forgot to do the other side of the paper and it taught me to always flip over the paper because i failed the assignment. and it was horrifying. so you do learn those things, but i do think that it is good to keep school at school and it challenges both the teachers and the kids to get it done that day in the classroom and move on. >> lawrence: and it has changed, homework has changed.

it is not the same, even for me, i have not graduated, but for my kids it is much different. >> melissa: we hope that everybody at home does not have homework today. thank you all for being with us, "outnumbered" is back here at 12:00 tomorrow, we wish you and your loved ones a very merry christmas. happy holidays. happy new year. ♪ ♪ ♪ i did a lot of research into dna tests. most can tell the continent or country

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♪ >> government shutdown stretching into christmas day with no end in sight as president trump and democratic lawmakers remain locked in a better stalemate over funding, the president's border wall. hello, everyone, welcome to americas news headquarters. >> great to be with you on this christmas day. potentially though, a different christmas feeling for hundreds of federal workers who next paychecks are on hold until they shut down ends. president trump weighing in on the stalemate this morning from the white house after a christmas video call with u.s. troops around the world.