definitely. >> that's what a life of crime will do to you, it will aid you. >> i don't know about the frenzy, was there really a frenzy over this? >> 650 comments. >> see you, outnumbered. >> rachel: president trump threatening to close the border with mexico unless he gets his wall as lawmakers find any solution to the new year and a congress divided. this is "outnumbered," i'm here today, julie banderas. here today, rachel campos duffy, jessica karloff, kat timpf and we welcome back to the couch, the host of "un-pc" ," fox news contributor and professional wrestler tyrus.

how was your christmas, by the way? >> tyrus: i watched the kids open presents and be unthankful, pretty much an all-american christmas. >> julie: it's such a mad house when you have kids. >> tyrus: i'm a grinch. if you ask my daughter, i was stealing christmas. next year -- >> julie: speaking of grinches in washington, day seven of the partial government shutdown. about a quarter of the government closed for business. some 800,000 federal workers either staying home or working without pay at least for now. the president saying we are have obstructionist democrats as he threatens to shut down the entire border. the democrats bow no money is going toward that wall. nancy pelosi's camp saying they will move to swiftly and what they call the trump shut down but the soon as lawmakers get

back to washington at january 2nd. the soon to be acting white house white house chief of staff pinning the blame on democrats, accusing them of acting in bad faith. >> the democrats have shut down the discussion, they did not even counter us. they left town and i think the reason they did is because nancy pelosi does not of the votes for the speakership yet, she cannot be seen by her party as being weak on negotiating with donald trump so we fully expect that until she has elected speaker, we don't expect to hear from the democrats again. they told us last night they were not countering our last offer. >> julie: peter doocy has more on this from capitol hill. >> republican house leaders are choosing to spend the last week in the house majority in their own houses. there is barely anybody here on the capital outside of reporters and tourists. although some of the republican lawmakers who stayed back in the district are now calling on the senate where $5 billion of

border wall money is stock right now to change their rules to put it through congress. a republican from a border state, texas, said a little while ago, this is so important and it is wrong for the united states senate. the house sent them a bill a week ago with funding that would keep the government open until february, provides disaster relief and funding to the wall and the senate will not. the senate had a motion to proceed but has done nothing. look, i know they don't have 60 votes but this is an emergency, they need to suspend their rules and get this done. the white house says the democrats decided to leave the district without making a counter offer while democrats say no offer with any border wall money will be good with them. they are insisting on a clean continuing resolution and they say that's the only way to go. there's also at least one democratic member of congress who is not a doctor but has a

diagnosis for the president he disagrees with. >> i think it's an embarrassment any time government shuts down, and this being no exception. work at it until we get to an agreement where the majority say yes. and i think we had that until the president you know went off his meds, who knows what happened. >> something else very interesting today, the incoming white house chief of staff trying to divide the democratic leadership. he said today, he thinks chuck schumer was on board with the deal but that the problem is nancy pelosi. julie? >> julie: peter doocy, thank you very much. i want to bring in our panel now, first of all, rachel, let me ask you. the president had some strong words for democrats, basically saying he will go to great lengths in order to get this wall if they don't do what he asks. what chance does he have, seriously, to do this, considering by next week the democrats are in control.

you know the democrats are not going to give him his wall, what kind of bargaining power do we have? >> rachel: his bargaining power would increase if he gets out a message is more. twitter has been great but it's not enough. we had a police officer die at the hands of an illegal immigrant just yesterday. it was absolutely tragic. but this is more than just the crime that comes over the border, we have drugs that are coming over the border that are demonstrating communities. entire counties that can't afford to the child welfare happening because so many families are falling under drug addition addiction and i think he needs to make the case to the american people. nobody likes when the government shuts down, it's not a good thing, not a good look but who gets the blame depends on who americans trust.

>> julie: tyrus, who is going to get the blame? is there any way the republicans can come out on top here? >> tyrus: i think both parties are going to have to own this. we just don't have -- the senate continues to be unpopular, the last paycheck i believe for government workers was december 26th. we have two weeks before people start missing checks. hopefully that starts to sink in but for me as a voter i just look at the people in my areas and louisiana, what are you doing for the american people? this argument, we know what this is about. this is about the reelection, democrats know, he gets the wal wall, 2020 is a done deal. i think -- that's what this is really about. >> julie: do democrats really think that if he gets the wall it's a done deal?

>> jessica: i don't think after the 2018 results the democrats think anything is a done deal. for sure denying the president the wall which many people think it's unreasonable would be a boon to democrats. the polling shows clearly that trump and the republicans are getting blamed for this, on top of that, only 35% think the border wall should be included in the spending bill and 25% favor shutting down the government over this issue. when the president says this is what the american people want, we need this, it absolutely isn't the most important issue. people want the government open, they want affordable, quality health care and money in their pockets. the border wall is something for donald trump's red meat base there and he's got to let it go. >> julie: he's not going to let it go, that's a fact. he ran on this and he's not going to let down his conservative base and he's not going to let down and coulter.

>> tyrus: do they follow each other again? have they made nice? >> kat: i'm sure there are people who blame him for the shut down but it's kind of a support/blame because they see our republican having backed down so many times over issues like -- just like health care, he's fighting for us. this is something that is very popular with his base. i would say probably not. >> rachel: it's also popular with the progressive wing of the party to not cooperate and negotiate on this issue. i find it interesting that the hispanic advocacy groups have not pressured the democrats to leverage money for the wall in exchange for daca. they have said forever that they want the daca recipients -- this is an opportunity.

president trump just last year offered three times the amount of daca recipients than barack obama did. this is somebody who is absolutely willing to negotiate. >> jessica: that wasn't a clean bill and nancy pelosi has been clear that it needs to be a clean bill. there was a lot tied to it including limiting legal immigration which people on both sides of the isle are not necessarily -- >> rachel: this is a new situation, why aren't they negotiating on this. i was surprised this morning, mick mulvaney, i asked him, is somebody in washington, d.c., negotiating -- my husband is home, i'm assuming high-level people are there negotiating, he said no. they are gone. >> julie: they have no incentive. >> tyrus: we've seen this before, it's funny because president trump and president barack obama are so different but their legacies are very similar, nobody wanted to

work with barack obama, no, we're not going to do it. it's the same thing, it's not the president, it's the senate, it's the house and it helps the president get reelected. this all plays into president trump's hand in terms of reelection. >> kat: i don't think people are looking for a solution. if they were at work it wouldn't really matter, they are just saying i do want the wall or i don't want the wall, nobody is saying, we have these opposing views, what are we going to do about it? >> julie: i wonder if the democrats saw this coming, talking about him using twitter, i wonder if the democrats saw this coming when he tweeted -- "we will be forced to close the southern border entirely of the obstructionist democrats do not give us the money to build the wall and change the ridiculous immigration laws. hard to believe there was a congress that would approve. he has threatened this before, it's not the first time he's

threatened to shut down down te southern border and cut off aid to mexico. is this threat any different? >> kat: i don't think so, i don't think it's something he would actually do. i think this is something we see president trump do repeatedly, he will start with something extreme to try to get a negotiation, i won't shut it down but i need money for the wall. he's trying to make a strong negotiating position. >> jessica: there's more to that tweet where he talks about cutting off aid to the country. if you're trying to encourage productive solutions, i think saying to the countries that need is more than ever right now and they are facing the kind of upheaval and violence and it's unbelievable to say we are going to cut off aid to you. >> rachel: $1.5 billion of

trade goes across the border so i agree with you, i don't think it's a legitimate, realistic threat but regards to what you just said, i look at this and i say, you know, he just gave almost $6 billion to the three countries in central america, almost $4 billion to mexico for an infrastructure project that was supposedly so this next caravan of migrants coming up can stay there. the american people are saying give us $5 billion for the wall. >> jessica: they are saying open up the government. >> rachel: he ran and won on this issue, jessica. >> jessica: 25% are supporting it, there are many more americans. >> julie: $10 billion to help and other central american countries, they had just made a deal with mexico, the embassy

deal about the fact that mexico was going to take these amnesty seekers in exchange -- in a deal with the united states. what would he do to the deal we just struck with mexico if the president went through and close to the southern border? that could blow up in our faces. >> kat: absolutely, i think it was a real win for the white house to have that taken care of across the border. before mexico has made it clear that it was put on them unilaterally, the president just came and said this is what we're doing now, wasn't much of a deal. >> julie: we've got to move on. he did promise to shake things up, he promised to drain the swamp. about two years into the tram presidency, how has he changed the office and has it changed him? we are going to be ending the year with a wild week on wall street after another crazy finish yesterday. what this wild week of record

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>> kat: that down now up a bit capping off a week of wild swings in the market, includingg days, the blue trip swinging more than 850 points before closing in positive territory. and on wednesday the dow surged more than 1,000 points in its largest single day rise ever. to rally back from its worst christmas eve drop in history. let's go live to fox business network, gerri willis of the new york stock exchange. >> it's been crazy, stocks today moving back over the flat line

as traders attention turns to 2019. the dow up 25 points, s&p 500 largely flat, the nasdaq positive about half a percentage point. most of the s&p 500 sectors lower, traders cautious after thursday, a surprise rally, added 260 points to the dow industrials after being down more than 600 points. that was the biggest single day point rebound. that rounds out our record setting week in which the execs said new markets for a worst ever eve sell-off followed again of 1,086 points. it is the end of the trading year as well as computerized trading for volatility. much of the trading occurring on low volumes of the number of players low but the market was very big indeed.

the big question, traders analyzing estimates for lower earnings by the nation's biggest companies for 2019 and slower overall economic growth expected at home and abroad. guys, back to you. >> rachel: thank you. you've got it. let me ask you, tyrus. you said you were looking at your 401, all this volatility going up. should you be worried? you are not exactly near retirement age. >> tyrus: i don't ride roller coasters because i don't fit and i don't fit in this situation either. the general economy is good, there's a lot of moving and pastoring going on that i don't necessarily always computed my brain. >> rachel: are you going to stay in the market? >> tyrus: yes, i want my money back. >> julie: the biggest mistake would be to do anything, don't

touch it. >> tyrus: i'm trying to learn, i work at fox with a lot of great business minds, that's where i'm at in terms of -- i learned how to play craps when i was 18, i got good at it when i was 30. it's a good time to buy right now. big moves. >> rachel: this president has been bragging about the economy for the last couple of years, now this has happened which adds a little bit of question into the market and into the future in 2019. should he take the blame if things go any worse? >> kat: he's very willing to take the credit but he's not addressing the blame. i think we all need to agree that that is kind of funny, i suppose. because it was completely out there, president trump, this is why the market is doing so well.

the economy is still a good economy, none of the experts we've talked to, everyone said there's really no reason to be super concerned, we are not heading into an economic crisis right now. it's a little bit different than what we've been used to with things going up, up, up, that can be a little jarring but it's not the crisis some people might be making it out to be. >> rachel: do you agree? >> jessica: i do agree, generally. i think what can come out of this, it needs to be broken down, the market and the economy are not synonymous. i think what happens with china and the trade war, whatever, the march 1st deadline will be important for all of this. the volatility is upsetting to the average person who's going to go and look at what's going on on a day-to-day basis. but hearing from experts, to not look on a day-to-day basis, and

see how you're doing. when it's your 401(k), it's extremely concerning, we are not all as young as tyrus. >> tyrus: i'm with you on don't check every day, it's like weighing yourself. >> jessica: i weigh myself many times a day. >> tyrus: just do it once a week. >> rachel: that's true, too. i live in small town america where i still talk to small business owners, people who own restaurants and small shops and they say it's never been better. >> julie: i don't think we should make much of it, i think people are overhyping it, because of the president currently sitting in the white house, people are very quick to point blame so we are seeing what should be expected. we've been a bear market for nine years, we shouldn't all overreact because of a 3% decline of all time highs is not that big of a deal. as far as 401ks are concerned, no, if you plan on retiring, tyrus, when are you retiring? >> tyrus: the way i am

spending and budgeting, probably never. >> julie: if you're never going to retire, you're great. if you are going to retire, don't touch your 401(k). again, with the market the way it's been acting, it's only normal to have a correction. you're going to see a correction in the housing market and you should expect to see a correction on wall street. >> jessica: i would add to that, if the president doesn't want to take responsibility for a market in free fall depending on the day which i understand why he wouldn't want to, i think it would benefit him to lay off the jay powell criticism, steve mnuchin should not of had those public calls with the banks and release that statement. all these things you are infusing into our psyche, rattle markets and make things more difficult down the line. i know the president certainly doesn't listen to me and he's definitely not getting off of twitter but if you want people to not be as excitable and freaked out, frankly, as they are, it would be better to be quieter about your feelings on

someone like jay powell. >> rachel: i think the average american is in thinking about jay powell or what the president said to him. >> julie: interest rates -- >> tyrus: our president is so transparent that guys like me who never cared about the stock market now care about it. the transparency of the white house -- more people are learning stuff that we normally wouldn't pay attention to. i'm looking at nasdaq now, and paying attention to that stuff. >> jessica: that's a wonderful thing that you're paying attention to it but i don't think the "transparency" is a net benefit. when you're tweeting like you control it, it's not great. >> tyrus: agreed. speak to you guys agree. >> tyrus: i agree but i still like the transparency. >> rachel: the hunt is on for a man authorities say in is an

immigrant in this country illegally who shot and killed a california police officer. we know about the suspect and his alleged ties to a violent gang as the community mourns a fallen hero. >> i did not know christmas morning at 4:00 in the morning when i said good-bye to him to send him off to his family that it will be the last time that i saw him.

>> julie: a fox news alert, the man hunt is on for a cop police say is an illegal immigrant. officer saying he immigrated illegally to the u.s. from fiji, he leaves behind a wife and a 5-month-old son. the suspect was last seen on surveillance video buying beer shortly put before police say hs pulled over as part of a dui investigation. >> the suspect is in our country illegally, he doesn't belong here, he's a criminal. we will find him and we will arrest him and we will bring him to justice. >> julie: live in los angeles with more on this heartbreaking story. william? >> julie, i want to explain why police are not releasing his name. he is described as hispanic male in the u.s. illegally.

when arrested, some migrants will try to conceal their identity by inverting or omitting one name or the other so it's likely his prints batch different names and until it's sorted out to protect others police say they are not releasing his identity. security cameras show him buying beer at a convenience store shortly before the shooting. moments later, officer singh stopped the suspect for a possible dui in his pickup truck. minutes later, singh radio's "shots fired, i've been hit." he was 1 of 13 officers in the newman police department, well-known and liked, he recently tested to become a sergeant and took english lessons to be better understood on the radio. >> his 5-month-old, you will

never hear talk. he will never see his son walk. he doesn't get to hold that little boy, hug his wife, say good night anymore. because a coward took his life. >> singh's partner sam was there at the shooting, there is a news conference scheduled for local time, the suspect lived a short distance from the shooting in a trailer park. the fact that singh was here illegally, the man who allegedly shot him was here illegally is fueling this border security debate in what is a sanctuary

state. >> julie: second kirstjen nielsen is set to visit families near the border that handled migrant children after the death of two migrant children in custody. dhs getting pressure from capitol hill as well, top house democrat both along with several incoming house chairman are now calling for the agency to pressure and preserve all records related to the deaths ahead of planned hearings from the democrats to take control of the house next week. the top democrat on this judiciary committee asking incoming chairman lindsey graham to hold hearings on these deaths deaths, this comes as president trump continues to demand better border security in the form of a wall. here is white house press secretary sarah sanders. >> certainly it's an absolutely tragic situation, something

nobody ever wants to see happen. it's one of the reasons the president wants to fix one of or broken immigration system. we don't want to see people go that route, we want people to come through the legal process so they're not putting their lives on the line to do this. this is the very reason we have to take away incentives for people coming in the wrong way and making that treacherous journey and we need congress to help and do their jobs. >> julie: a family member said he did not leave guatemala seeking asylum and said he thought it would be easier to enter the u.s. accompanied by a child. there's been a lot of finger-pointing to u.s. border patrol agents, this little boy

came here second was of a tool to get into this country to bys father. >> tyrus: as a father, that is gut wrenching. i think we're very lucky because -- that we are the united states and we've only had to go deaths. if you look at the means of the way they're getting here, the risk they are taking, often times when you see the children, the malnutrition, these really long journeys, they are exerting them, even an adult would have a hard time with and these children a lot of times are in some cases not even with actual family members, people who have just taken them. or alone. i think the fact that we are looking -- yes, any death is terrible and i think it's unfair to look with wincing eyes at the best they can given the situation. this is a horrible situation to be in. i get it, i grew up in

california, i get it, i've seen it. the difference between being on the tijuana side and being in san diego is unbelievable. i understand the risk but when you take those risks you also are risking the lives of your children, your spouses, doing things illegally and opening yourself to the elements and being incarcerated because you're breaking the law. things are going to happen and it's unfortunate. there should be no finger-pointing at the united states. >> julie: what does dhs need to do? >> rachel: first of all, we need to do something about policies that are actually incentivizing people to bring children as a means to get in. we need to look at that, what are we doing as our country -- there is nothing about that. it's really wrong. but also, border patrol, the facilities that are housing the

them, they are overwhelmed. maybe it was rick leventhal earlier today, saying that in august alone, 40 some thousand illegals were arrested. these are enormous numbers of people and how can we as a country manage this? that's why it's interesting to me to see the democrats say i don't want to do anything to solve this problem. nancy pelosi it seems much more concerned with getting her speakership, if she doesn't get on board with the rest of the country and the rest of the members of congress to find a solution, i'm not going to build the wall, i'm not going to do anything, that's wrong. >> julie: the democrats say they do want to have tighter border security, but when it comes to enhancing border

security, what is it they want to do? the daca deal, is that what they're waiting for? >> kat: that's one thing they're waiting for and i do believe that but i think a lot of it has gotten lost in just wanting to oppose president trump because it's president trump. a lot of the same democrats who've said they want fences and some kind of barrier in the past, including hillary clinton back in 2016, she had the same sort of thing when she was in office except not calling it a wall. a lot of it has to do with being opposed to president trump instead of having some opposition. >> julie: is that the problem, democrats want their own policy pushed through so they are not going to necessarily pay attention to the wall issue because they want issues like daca and other immigration policies they feel passionately about? where do democrats stand on thi

this? >> jessica: i think democrats stand on this where it first and foremost they are concerned about migrant children, nancy pelosi and chuck schumer talked about that a lot, the midterm elections as being a priority moving into this new congress. there are certainly a number of democrats on record saying they support a barrier some kind. these are also people who were members of the gang of six that compromised policies that republicans call amnesty. they sent more border agents down to the border, it did include some fencing and protection but now we have an issue, we need more lawyers, we need more judges and a way to speed up the process for these asylum-seekers which is their right to seek it and they have credible fear. we need to be sure people can be

seen as soon as possible but kirstjen nielsen has a tough road ahead of her. the images and the idea of a child dying in our care is something that rattles all of us to our core. and >> julie: it's tragic because they were so close to each other, nearly back-to-back. that more people have not died is sort of a miracle considering the treacherous conditions these families go through traveling to the united states and risking their lives and their children's lives which is the saddest part of it all. former attorney to president trump michael cohen denying a report he traveled to prague ahead of the election, something mentioned in that steele dossier. rudy giuliani once again slamming the russia investigation, saying president trump is done answering any more questions and calling for mueller to be investigated. mueller. we are going to tell you why next. ♪

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♪ >> jessica: president trump's former lawyer michael cohen denied a new report, the telephone linked to cohen sent signals two oh cell tower leading up to the election. this seems to lend to my

credibility of the steele dossier. he is pushing back, "i hear prague is beautiful in the summertime. i would know as i have never been." rudy rudy giuliani slammed muels investigation and said the president is done cooperating with the probe. >> he's not answering any more questions from these people, their outrageous activity -- we did enough, we did everything. the 1.4 million documents, they've gone on from what they started with two investigating cases that end up with 14 day jail sentences, they are seeking no time for general plan. >> julie: >> jessica: that was a big surprise yesterday, do

you think there's any chance that this actually did happen? >> tyrus: do i think there's a chance that michael cohen might've been lying? that he might've left that out and it came out -- i told you everything. he literally sounds like the average guilty guy caught at the strip club. it wasn't me, it was another guy taking photos. he's literally one of the most on trustworthy human beings on the planet which is really tough to do. so every time something comes out of his mouth you're always going to be like is he lying? the cell tower -- unless you let your phone -- i know all the time, island my phone. >> rachel: there's a lot of crazy stuff in the dossier that's kind of unbelievable but rudy giuliani -- he makes a good point, there are big pieces of evidence from text messages that are missing, why are they missing? one, i think the american people

want this investigation to end, just be done already, get it out there. but i do think he has to be -- he needs to answer. there are huge gaps in evidence and where has this evidence gone? >> jessica: unless you are a real hard-core deep stater, i don't think people think robert mueller is destroying evidence. there's more documents in his office than is humanly possible. saying that it was robert mueller and his team that did it, i don't know if there was some break in the chain of command there but that seems pretty far-fetched. if the prague story is true, why didn't that come up at all in the sentencing, and the memo just a few weeks ago? >> kat: that's what i want to know, this whole thing is crazy, we have unverified sources on one side and a complete liar on the other side.

>> jessica: they are anonymous, not unverified. >> kat: this seems like a huge thing that would have certainly been included. i have no answer. i've been thinking about that all day, i have no idea. what's your answer? >> tyrus: any time rudy giuliani or cohen talks, just don't listen and pretend it didn't happen. both guys -- giuliani says one thing and comes back with another, he's a dear friend and not really in the meetings, you know what i'm saying? he might be in the office outside of the meetings but i don't think he's at the head of the table. between the two of them, check out the sports page. >> jessica: there are real implications for what's going on with michael cohen. >> julie: michael cohen is already in hot water, i don't know what incentive he he would have to lie anymore than he already has. >> kat: maybe he just loves

it. >> julie: why would we not of heard about this before? >> jessica: lanny davis who was his lawyer did say that he didn't go to prague but he's not his lawyer anymore and he said he does not know what he said, which leaves an opening where it could be feasible. >> rachel: i don't think american people care about this until the actually report comes out. >> julie: i think people want michael cohen to go away. >> jessica: let's talk about the president some more. questions over how much of the president has changed the office of the presidency and the workings of washington. whether those changes are good, bad, and if they are lasting. we will debate it next. ♪

♪ >> kat: he did vowed to change washington and drain the swamp, so how much has president trump changed the office and political culture in our capital two usin using? "trump has changed in ways both subtle and profound how washington works and how it is viewed by the rest of the nation and world." the next president will not model himself in the style of president trump. what do you think? has trump changed the game forever or no? >> tyrus: he's turned it into entertainment, the number one tv show is politics. it's why we are sitting here and people watch. it's no longer monday night

football, it's monday morning tweets. he's changed the games in terms of good, bad, or indifferent. somebody will come up to me and want to start talking politics. the next president, we are going to be very bored. >> julie: we have kept very busy and it is very entertaining to do our jobs for the last two years. there's never a day, you are very right with that. it would be very boring, you have to admit. i think it has changed accessibility forever. >> rachel: there is a level of transparency and accessibility we've never seen before. i come from reality tv so it's kind of fascinating, he was a producer. i think he brings that skill set to the job, i have friends who

are pro-trump band of friends who are republicans i don't like him. it's not the policy, but they are people who really like decorum, they like that mystique that came with the office. donald trump is an open book. in that regard i think in the next election, whether or not the person had that sense of decorum or not, they're going to be expected to be transparent. i don't think talking points from the rnc and dnc are going to work anymore, people want to know what their leaders are thinking. >> jessica: one of the positives i think out of this is people are running for office that they thought could not before. if you think about -- there is this movie coming out about gary hart, for instance.

that is certainly an interesting development that will maybe bring more people into the fold who have something important to say and be great representatives. you also mentioned draining the swamp which currently is not happened. there are more cabinets secretaries being accused of drifting, employing their families and stealing from the american public. he brought in a crew of his buddies, in the sense of him going in there and taking out the elite, he didn't, he just put in business elites, wall street elites. >> tyrus: whenever you bring your homies into anything, we had a rule in wrestling -- >> jessica: i don't know a past administration has this many members of the administration that were family members. >> rachel: the lobbyist class does not of the same access and

are much more frustrated in terms of getting what they want. >> jessica: i've got more of them. >> kat: more "outnumbered" in just a moment. her's family came from in columbia. it's just been a reconnection to my roots. 20 million members have connected to a deeper family story. order your kit at ancestry.com.

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>> rachel: before we go, we have to tell you about tyrus new gig. every night at 6:00 p.m. eastern and you can get it by logging on to foxnation.com and you should come on my show is on there also. thanks to tyrus, now here is julie banderas and for harris. >> julie: we start off with the fox news alert, president trump threatening to close the entire southern border as a government shutdown enters the one week mark with no end in sight. let's go "outnumbered overtime,"

i'm julie banderas in for harris faulkner today. it looks like the partial shutdown will be stretching into the new year. president trump tweeting he may be forced to close the southern border entirely, if democrats don't approve money to finish his wall. this as mick mulvaney, who will soon be taking over as white house chief of staff accuses democrats of acting in bad faith and playing a waiting game. speak of the president has made it very clear that he wanted $5 billion for the border wall and for border security. it doesn't come as a surprise. it still strikes me as very unusual that the democrats did not provide a counter offer, they left town. the president is here. where is chuck schumer, they are not even talking right now and we don't think they will until after the new congress. >> julie: kirstjen nielsen heading to the border as her agency has als