to vote for your favorite geico ad and enter to win, visit geico.com/bestof. that's geico.com/bestof. ♪ >> good evening and welcome to tucker "tucker carlson tonight." tucker will be breaking his observances to make an appearance later, so stay tuned for that. but first, a new warning from president trump as the government shutdown enters its second week. trump refuses to give an inch in his fight for the border wall and, today he warned on twitter "we will be forced to close the southern border entirely. if the obstructionist government, democrats and also change the immigration laws that

they know mike our country is saddled with. it's hard to believe that there is a congress and president that would've proved. the office the office of management and budget director in the oncoming chief of staff mick mulvaney told fox this morning that the president is ready to negotiate an end to the shutdown, but the democrats are nowhere to be found. >> the president has been here by the way all weekend, or i christmas. he has canceled his plans for christmas and now has canceled his plans for new year's. we are talking on an hourly basis about not only what's happening in california but also what's not happening in washington, d.c. the democrats president is very engaged. >> it strikes me that the democrats did not provide a counter offer to the last discussion, they simply left town. yet the president is here, the president canceled his plans. where is chuck schumer and nancy pelosi? >> mark: she spent the holiday living the high life at a resors

in hawaii. mulvaney said pelosi seems to be the key hold up while chuck schumer might be more pliable. >> vice president and i met last saturday, and i got was that he was really interested in doing the deal. the more we are hearing this week, nancy pelosi is preventing that from happening. >> he is the regular host and ryan is the founder and ceo of american majority.nc they both join us. chris, once upon a time, your former boss, senator schumer in 2009 said when we use phrases like undocumented workers, we can convey a message to the american people that the government is not serious about combating illegal immigration. people who enter the united states without permission are illegal aliens. he talked about the 650 miles of

border fence that creates a significant barrier. was he just drunk that night? he had fallen facedown in the eggnog? because he hasn't said stuff like that months, has he? >> i think you are confused. i think you buy into the hype that a lot of people on the right portrayed democrats as not wanting any kind of border security at all, and that's not true. they are not interested in this fake, made for the face, made for tv border wall that president trump is not going to get. the american people voted in november for a new majority in the house of representatives. they gave them an 8.5% edge in that boat and those people certainly were not putting money into this ridiculous wall. and i hold the intro, right now republicans control the house of representatives. nancy pelosi is a minority leader until next week and then, we will negotiate with their

her. i'm telling you right now, he will get nothing for the wall. h >> mark: okay, let's have a second shot at my question then. why do big time democrats not use words like, illegal aliens, anymore? >> they don't do that anymore. >> mark: go ahead then, you take it. >> they cannot give trump a win. they can't give them anything for his wall because it would infuriate their far left base who doesn'tth want anything deat with, with our immigration system, or secure our borders. they are denying trump the win and they are making the leftist base happy. i will say this, it's pretty stunning that this is all taken place over the last five years when in 2013, most every democratic senator voted $46 million. what point do we as a sovereign nation not have the right to say, we are not securing

borders? we haveor a moral responsibility to our citizens. >> now you are using these naughty phrases, like national sovereignty n and of that kind f thing. the president has threatened to close down the border. in a sane world, to use the term you used, and a sane world, we would have an enforced border but that apparently is impossible in the united states. so chris, if we have a choice between totally open borders and a closed border, isn't the president's suggestion for a closed border on the mexican border actually less insane than openen borders? >> we don't have that choice and the president's choice of a closed border is absolutely insane. you wait until next if he closes the border, with how bad our stock market could be. that's a ridiculous statement by a ridiculous president who

doesn't understand world markets. he claims a couple months ago to have renegotiated nafta. then they just close around tun around and the border.ai >> mark: wait a minute. justst bear with me. hear me out. australia doesn't have a land border and it trades with the rest of the world. iceland doesn't have a land border and it trades with the rest of the world. instead of having ports of entry that people can just walk through, why not close them and at least insist that they have to get on a flight to lax or k o'hare, or wherever, where we at least know who they are before they get on the plane. what's wrong with that? >> because that systems of trade and avenues of trade have been developed over years and years. what are we going to do overnight if the president has i work with him -- >> mark: you take that question.

>> what is your -- the power given to him under the immigration and nationality act, mark, donald trump should say i find the entry of illegal aliens on the southern border detrimental to theer interests f the united states, and on tell democrats want to be serious about securing the border, i'mg shutting it down and i will shut it down fort the rest of my term until we get serious, not only about securing the southernut border but also fixing our country's immigration system. >> mark: we have to leave it there guys. thanks --- >> if he shuts down the border and crushes the economy -- >> mark: that's all algorithms, those are crazy algorithms. thank you chris, and the dhs secretary nielsen made a visit to this still open borders today. meanwhile california police arrested an illegal immigrant suspected of murdering an officer during a traffic stop. for more on both stories, fox correspondent jonathan hunt is

here. >> the arrest of the alleged killer of officer ronil singh came just 48 hours after the 33-year-old officer, who leaves behind his wife and 5-month-old son, was gunned down. the suspect, gustavo perez's arriaga was in the u.s. illegally according to the sheriff who angrily denounced california's so-called sanctuary laws with the sheriff that prevented arriaga from being deported for previous dui convictions. >> we can't ignore the fact that this could have been preventabl preventable. and under sp 54 in california,i based on two arrests for dui and some other active warrants that this criminal has out there, law enforcement would have been prevented, prohibited, from sharing any information with i.c.e. about this criminal gang member.

ladies and gentlemen, this is not how you protect the community. >> mark: with immigration and border issues at the heart of the current government shutdown, homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen visited the border area near el paso, texas. her visit was to get a firsthand look at the people medical screening facilities at bordere stations in the wake of deaths this month of two young guatemalan children who had crossed the border and were taken into custody by customs and border patrol agents. the cbp commissioner has said in two separate tragedies, agents did all they could to help the 8-year-old boy and a 7-year-old girl as soonest they became aware that they were sick. the secretary 's visit also comes on the heels of hundreds of immigrants being released onto the streets of el paso this week by immigrations and customs enforcement agents, with i.c.e. saying they are constrained by law by how long they can detain immigrant families.

secretary nielsen by the way, mark, is also due to visit border facilities in yuma, arizona, tomorrow. >> mark: earlier this year, ther, oakland mayor, libby shar, publicly took a stand against america's own laws after learning of an impending i.c.e. sweep that was seeking criminal illegal aliens in that jurisdiction. sharp issued a warning so that those illegal immigrants could flee. she said any other action would be racist. >> it is a continued distraction, it's a continued perpetuation of a racist lieof that immigrants are not valued members of our society. we in oakland know better. we in oakland have a community that welcomes and honors all people, no matter where they came from or how they got here. >> mark: months later, after m the murder of that policeman from fiji, shaft tells buzzfeed

"i have no regrets, none. the more time that goes by, the more certain i feel that i did the right thing and standing up for our community and pointing out our values are not aligned with our laws. travis allen is a former assemblyman and candidate for chairman for the california republican party and he joins us now. travis, this appalling murder, and is hard to look at that photograph on christmas morning if that policeman and his wife and their 5-month-old child, and a service dog, and not to feel as his fellow officers did in denouncing the indulgence of these illegal immigrants. this guy was a model immigrant. this is the choice. you want people like this to come to your society, he comes here from fiji and assimilates with the community, becomes a police officer, then someone who shouldn't be in the country

murders him and the mayor of oakland is really on the illegal side, rather than the legal side of this. >> you are exactly right. this is a criminality we see in california. libby chavez, the mayor of oakland, gave a warning to 900 illegal immigrants, people who came here illegally and then committed crimes while they were here. because of that they are now roaming free across california. in california is also a legal sanctuary state as well which means our law enforcement can't cooperate with federal immigration authorities. so you start paring this together and you understand the problem we have in california. how do california democrats -- how did democrats across the country, how can they actually hold their heads high and address the family when they know that the weight of this tragedy falls fully on their

shoulders? look, i tell you -- >> why had they chosen though? the democrats have made a choice, that mayor says immigrants. they aren't immigrants, they are illegal immigrants, they are criminals.k. corporal singh is an immigrant but he filled in the paperwork. it's tedious and time-consuming but he did it by the book because he wanted to come here by the book. why do the democrats choose the other guys? >> that's a problem, they are choosing people that are not valid, legalal immigrants. corporal v8, he was an immigrant from fiji. his dream in life was to become a police officer in the united states. his family called him an action hero. this man had an incredible life ahead of him. why should pelosi and schumer be putting illegal immigrants ahead of the u.s. citizens our safety? it'ser very clear. not only do we need to secure the border but we need to do it today.

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♪ >> mark: is it time for the mueller investigation two faced an investigation of its own? president trump's defense lawyer rudy giuliani says mueller should be probed to see if he helped destroy evidence after thousands of text messages between peter strzok and his fbi paramore lisa page went missing. the department of justice claims the politically explosive texts went missing due to a technical glitch. glitchy, glitchy. this she joins us. francie, there is a credibility issue here because everybody in some little rinky-dink civil suit in local county court knows

you don't do this kind of stuff. how come the fbi gets away with just vaporizing important evidence from key figures? >> that's a great question, the thing that concerns me the most is you are talking about text messages that show biases. they are entitled to any evidence that shows bias by a witness, and peter strzok who would have been a witness in this case in many cases showed a clear bias in text messages with his lover, paige. it was wrong for that justice to get rid of these text messages. they were the subject of an oig investigation already and it seems to be a constitutional violation that they cannot provide these text messages to any current or future defendant. >> mark: peter strzok is this weird figure because there are like 35,000 fbi employees but somehow, this guy is the

indispensable guy. he's on the hillary investigation, the trump investigation, he gets sent to the white house to stitch up michael flynn, he gets flown to london to see alexander downer, the high commissioner, so they can get the goods on papadopoulos. then, is sent to the special counsel's office. according to the oig report, the special counsel's office that reviewed these cell phones and put them back on factory settings. isn't that corruption in the special counsel's office? >> it certainly seems like it could be, but my concern here is that, bob mueller was the united states attorney, a presidential appointee and the fbi director. he knows what is relevant to a potential prosecution and whatt is irrelevant is always exculpatory information and that's what's contained in these text messages. it is shocking that they deleted them and it makes you wonder whether it was purposeful.

>> mark: in that phrase you use, exculpatory information, that's actually -- prosecutors can be punished for that. but nobody seems anxious to punish mueller. t.another thing, a new report claims the president's former attorney michael cohen who famously said he had never been to prague may haveee been theren the summer of 2016 according to cell phone tower evidence. and that as you know is one of the most explosive allegations in the various trump -- details on the trump dossier. is this anything real or is it hearsay upon hearsay? >> i think you hit upon it, i think it is hearsay upon hearsay. it reminds me of the vet veryt dossier that was the source of information in the first place that has been unverified and is still unverified until this day

and it relies upon mysterious russian or eastern european intelligence sources, the same thing that the fbi and the department of justice asked the fisa court to rely upon in the carter-page five's warrant. not reliable information. >> mark: so you don't see why christopher steele, a british subject, should be allowed to interfere inin the 2016 american election? >> i really don't, i feel like we should leave that to americans. >> mark: and if: cohen had been in prague, he's now copped a plea with the rest of the guys and he would presumably have no intention to disclose that. so if he had been there, the investigation would know, what day? >> they would and in fact, he's

made no secret of his newfound hatred for president trump and his "evil ways, i think he put it. so if he was in prague and it wasn't part some vast conspiracy to collude with russia and throh the election, i think he would be on twitter talking about it right now. >> mark: he does seem to be a little leaky about that. are we anywhere near a wrap up of this investigation? br>> rumors say that mueller wil put out a report in february but it's long overdue. this investigation has been going on foror well over two years. i can't imagine what it is they are doing now, and i look forward to seeing the report. at this point it is just justifying the millions of dollars that he's been spending. >> mark: while he's been spending millions of dollars resetting iphones to factory settings, it looks like they've been doing thatct anyway. tucker will be back just ahead, and michael bloomberg, stand well back. w michael bloomberg, another

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billionaire, >> mark: billionaire michaelmb bloomberg is still drawing speculation as a possible presidential contender. if he does a rhonda, a top advisor says bloomberg but willing to spend $100 million of his $40 billion fortune to win. in a recent interview, limburg says if he runs than fighting climate change will be up top priority of his campaign. of course emmanuel macron became president of france with a similar agenda and they are now facing riotsio and burning thins down. wouldn't it be quicker for michael bloomberg to just throw $100 million out of the window

and watch it float into the atlantic? >> well $100 million for michael bloomberg, that's what he leaves under the plate. he spends $100 million in his third mayoral campaign and in the recent midterm elections when he wasn't running. when wilson says that michael ilbloomberg is willing to spend more than $100 million, i think we assume he's going to spend comfortably more, like in the billions, to achieve this. >> mark: is he not just the one of these politicians who is too disconnected from real life? he was all about the trans fats. he could regulate the salt out of your cheeseburger but when it snowedou he couldn't regulate ay salt onto seventh avenue. that was beyond him. >> you know sodas and salt, those were all things that he focus on. at the same time bloomberg was a

nonpartisan, technocratic mayor with the business agenda and focus on "law & order." he did a fairly competent job running the city. >> mark: by comparison with what has come up. >> well yeah. the thing with bloomberg was, the emphasis on climate change and gun control, that's the extent to which he is still in this elitist a bubble. >> mark: nobody west of the hudson is interested in gun control and claimant. >> once you get over to the sierras, you go west of there and people -- i don't think he's really in touch with the heartland. >> mark: isn't he absolutely what there is no place for? and as you said, he's like a centrist technocrat, and a hyperpartisan environment where people either want donald trump or miss boccaccio cortez. >> i think he missed his window in the democrat party.

one think i think he did was mayor that came back to haunt him, for immigrants, he charged their sponsors if they went on benefits. now that is illegal, and that's like the public charge. >> mark: i agree to the all that. >> and that's the sort of thing to me that seems perfectly reasonable. i'm not sure that the mainstream of the democratic party now would be in favor of things like that. >> mark: so he would have to explain some of his identityf politics? >> to the woke aspect of the democratic party. >> mark: how woke is he? >> he's extremely on unwoke. now they would say he's objectively racist. he would have a lot of explaining to do. >> mark: do you think that comes from spending every weekend in bermuda which is

unattractively unwoke? >> well he may talk about ocean levels and try to sell that, maybe find something in vail or aspen. >> mark: that's from the guy that managed to put a lot of the ocean into the new york city subway, during super storm sandy. well thank you fororan that. i can hardly contain myself, when we come to the thought of a michael bloomberg presidential candidacy. the first primary debate is only six months away and the party is still trying to find an identitd for 2,020. a new poll of democrat voters says the candidate they are most excited about is "somebody entirely new." but if they can't have that, they will settle for joe biden. jason nichols is a professor of african-american studies at the university of maryland, and he joins us. this is very interesting polling, jason.

there was an old new yorker cartoon years ago. a guy coming out of the theater and the marquis says, fun for young and old, "the new york times." and it's a middle aged guy extremely unhappy. and that's fun for young and older, even guys that have been around for half a century or those people who are very tallow and youthful. and a not a lot of space in between them, is there? >> there are people who may be young but actually have plenty of experience. many of the people have been in congress or been in the house for a long time. i think we have a good field of people. i think more people are going to come out and announce in the next two or three months, i think it will be reallyng exciting. it's an exciting time. i will say, your last segment was really cool, it's a first time that i've heard the term "woke" on a fox news segment. >> i'm totally unwoke.

and i'm happy to be the unwoke party. [laughs] since you brought upid bloomber, is bloomberg your idea of somebody who excites you and excites the base? >> no, y i will agree with what you guys said about the fact that he has to answer for stop and frisk and broken windows, which i will say is objectively racist. we seen the numbers of the people who get stopped and frisked and they are usually black and brown. i'm not excited about bloomberg and i would agree that he is not out of touch. he is someone who is very pro-business, very wall street, and i don't think he will catch on to the progressive parts of the party. >> mark: is that where the energy is? you put it in one what one migt

call identity.de you've got geezers, bernie and joe biden, old white men in amo party who seem to want something more than an exotic free storm about it. >> i don't know that any of america is exotic, whether you are black american or white american. >> mark: but people talking about alexandria boccaccio cortez, she's a young latina. it's you guys who are interested in these category identities. >> we were excited about her because she's young, and the other guy, crowley, was out of touch with his base. and he overlooked her. any boxer will tell you, don't overlook your opponent. and i think there will be a good chance of her challenging schumer if he does the same thing. >> mark: bring that on, i would love to see that one. and she will hang all that stufi

about when he is demonizing illegal aliens around his neck. i would love to see that fight, go for it, alexandria. that would be a great moment. >> i think all of this will be fun. we don't have to decide things have to have don't a clear answer. we know what it was in 20161 republican smelled blood in the water with hillary clinton. they had a huge field, and donald trump was not the number one guy at this point. at this point, it was a guy named mike huckabee.em if anyone remembers him, other than remembering that he is sarah's father. he was the guy that was at the top of all the polls at this point, so we have a long road ahead of us. >> mark: so who is your trim figure? who will come down the escalator and to soar to the lead andhe leave the other 17 guys in the dust? is it cory booker or kamala harris, who will it be?

>> i like that you picked the two black candidates. i like cory booker, certain things about him, but i don't think he is the guy actually like, her name is tulsi gabbard, there is a good chance she will run and she's military. she will bring pt patriotism back to the democratic party and i think she is somebody could catch fire and -- >> mark: but the democrats are always looking for that strong military figure with the military background that you mentioned. but they actually hate her position on syria, and that kind of thing. the base doesn't want to go -- that's not the path that the base wants to go down. it's not john carries a yeare again, they are not looking to square the circle with some hawkish democrat, are they? >> i think unlike donald trump, she was not afraid to visit a combat zone and see things for

herself. so i think that was something that could be explained pretty t easily. i think once people actually hear her get an opportunity to explain herself, i think that she will resonate. >> mark: we will see how that prediction holds up in that first debate in six months' time. thanks a lot, jason, always good to see you and happy new year. just today, this just in, another 2020 contender, actress angelina jolie is hinting that even she might run for president in 2020. an in an interview with bbc, she said she can work with government and military so she might be high office. and dozens of other people contending from michael bloomberg to opera, we see no reason to exclude her. angelina versus bloomberg, that's the democratic primary as it's shaping up on the eve of

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♪ o >> mark: a crazy week on wall street came to an end today

with the dow swinging back and forth all day like a drunken sailor before settling at a modest drop of 76 points. the dow opened this week with its worst christmas eve ever, as it dropped 650 points. but he followed that with its biggest single day gain ever on boxing day, rising by more than a thousand points. despite a good week, unless stocks make a dramatic rally on monday, this will bebe the worst december. that's all the algorithms. brett kavanaugh's confirmation battle was the most dramaticic news story of this year and expose the dangers that we all face from uncorroborated allegations of sexual misconduc sexual misconduct. tucker recently spoke to someone who knows all f the dangers of being wrongly accused, here's what happened. >> tucker: is hard for us to

imagine what it must be like to be brett kavanaugh in right now but david sorensen has some idea. he once worked as a white house speechwriter and he was fired after "the washington post" published o an article accusing him of domestic domestic viole. without much time to respond to the charges, he lost his job and his reputation was destroyed.. david sorensen joins us tonightt to tell us. david, thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me, tucker. >> tucker: i know nothingge about your marriage or the details even of the case. all i know is that you did not have a chance to respond, there didn't seem to be concrete evidence, and the consequences that you suffered were overwhelming. what was your response to this? >> i felt a deep and profound and i think judge

kavanaugh's feeling that right now as we speak, that i never thought i would feel in my life. the feeling of having a reputation thate you have carefully built over years to be destroyed in an instant, and furthermore, for millions of people to believe these baseless accusations simply because they fit political narrative is incredibly frustrating and i can't imagine how difficult it must be, or i could afford judge kavanaugh on the situation he is in right now, it's terrible. your reputation is something -- >> tucker: you can't get it back. with almost all of them we wait to hear the evidence, then wait to hear what we think of it. but in this one specific category of an alleged crime, we wait it dramatically to one side. did you feel like you had the onus of proving that you weren't a domestic abuser? did you feel like people

automatically believe your ex-wife? >> absolutely, even though there was no evidence whatsoever, it was a baseless allegation. it contradicts everything we have learned throughout our lives about justice and about fairness. it contradicts thehe legal systm that we have built up carefully over centuries that gives us a fair form for getting the bottom of the truth. it's scary how the left is waging a war on the basic building blocks of our civilization, when it comes to priorities like truth and fairness, merit, reason. those are things that are thrown right out the window at the expense of the pursuit of political power. it's also equally shameful to see the media participate in it so egregiously.id they use to be considered -- or ideally they were considered to be an arbiter of truth or institution or a society that was designed to uncover the

truth and now they are participating in these jobs. >> tucker: well, they are a herd of craven done dump peopl. it's a shame. >> it's something that's gained by the raindrop and lost by the bucket full and judge kavanaugh is learning that the hard way. i hope we are calling him justice kavanaugh despite it all very soon. >> tucker: we appreciate it. >> mark: from, we must always believe the women, to europe's mission to abolish words with "man" in them completely. and the liberal serpa is going to help us understand why, that's next. g speak to the whole witch hunt that's going t on in the united states, the russian witch hunt. we a phony witch hunt deal. this is a pure and simple witch hunt. ♪

>> mark: the european union can't secure i ♪ >> mark: the european unionbo can't secure its borders, can't stop terror attacks at christmas markets and can't get its economies in order but it can fight against so-called gendered language. a new translation guide for european parliament staff in strasburg that tells them to avoid using words with man in them due to the offensive connotations. instead of mankind, they must use humanity. instead of man-made, they must use artificial. soon language will be so sterile while it will be better not to speak at all and just communicate in euro approved emojis. michael loftus is a comedian an and, he joins us. it's tough being a comedian, you wouldn't want to follow an e.u.

commissioner on open mic night after comedy gold material like this stuff. >> i don't think you would, i don't think you could. e.u. people have to have the worst sense of people, humor ever. europe has fallen. thank god world war ii isn't today. all the would have to do is tell jokes.fensive two guys walked into a bar. everyone would faint. >> mark: well, i will say this for them. justin trudeau rebuked a woman for referring to mankind a couple of months back and said it should be people kind whereas the european union is at least proposing humanity, which is slightly less clunky than justin's offering. an>> it's a less clunky but it's still in there. they will never get rid of it,

and even female, humanity, man is in there. it's like a bad marriage, you can't get out, you can't divorce us, ladies. >> mark: how far do you think they should take that? like baghdad, the capital of iraq. i find that -- that's just not my bag dad, as hipsters wouldul say. do you think they shouldd perhas start renaming some of these cities and places as well? >> sure. let's just have bad person, for baghdad. tri feel bad for the translator, the ones that have to use -- they can't use he or she anymore and that's how i thought you learned a another language, the translatorsme will be reduced to using whistles and clicks, the whole thing will look like a dolphin show at seaworld. >> mark: they got like 137 official languages. it's not just the european or

the obvious ones, it's things you don't think about like welsh or -- everything will come out sounding like welsh by the time they are done vacuuming theou language. >> and welsh is a tough language, god help anyone who has to eliminate gender specific pronouns from that one. don't they have anything better to do in the e.u.? like france is on fire every other night. can't they fix the bridge or paint something? all this, don't say him, don't say her, it's absolutely ridiculous. the whole thing has turned into a monty python skit. it's like the ministry of silly walks is in charge of europe. anmark: it's running entire cop to them now. there are actually people who think this stuff is important. >> those people are idiots.

and they need to be thrown out of their country of origin. [laughs] >> mark: [laughs] you have so much love for your fellow man, your fellow people kind, you are brimming with it. [laughs] >> i'm going to cut you off, don't you assume my gender, mark steyn. [laughs] >> mark: we will come up with the new pronoun for you. thank you very much, and happy new year, let's hope for a manly newtm year for you. >> a very manly new year. >> mark: president trump routinely refers to the russian investigation as a witch hunt. and now some real life witches are angry angry at him. cnn recently profiled which is saying that trumps use of the term infers the suffering of

actual witches and warlocks, if you pardon that masculine term. >> witches tend to side with liberals and you know what they wish president trump would stop saying about the mueller investigation? speak to this is a witch hunt like you've never seen before. >> author of the witch hunt of activism because the use of the president's term -- >> really disgraceful. thousands of people were executed in europe accused of witchcraft. >> does a lot to be offended about by donald trump, but that word is low on the list of priorities for many witches but it does demonstrate his ignorance as usual. >> i guess we would have to start referring to it as a wild-goose chase, but that would offend geese. >> mark: that's a cnn level joke, i prefer others. she is our sherpa and it's great

to see her. where do you stand on this which phobic or warlock phobic language? >> it's a new time and which is are minority in our country, and we need to respect the minority. they are speaking up, and saying it's an old-fashioned term and it's not acceptable anymore. as a group they do not appreciate it and theyey would prefer it not to be used.wi so they are offended by the term witch hunt and there are 1.5 million which is in our country and there are 1.4 million people that are presbyterian. this is a large group. now i want to come back to that 1.5 billion. this witch hunting, it's like england had a witch finder general, i think it was matthew hopkins and he got paid a pound for every witch that he found. so it was a real thing. >> it was a real thing, people who appeared strong in our

community were witches. it's a horrible thing but it is outdated. just as donald trump may not understand that now there is a movement that people are one with nature, they call themselves witches. >> now let's come back to that because that's interesting to me. these people are not exactly witches. they tried to -- it's the new definition of witching. >> what's the difference between that and cultural appropriation? if these witches supposedly put a hex on brett kavanaugh and it didn't work -- >> that isn't really witches. this group has nothing to do with the cousin in brooklyn who is putting the hex on kavanaugh. this is another group. >> mark: will who do you -- what do you call someone who belongs to a coven? >> while that's a whole thing. within the which community they say, you know you are a witch

for these 15 reasons. instagram has witches of instagram with 2 million posts. there are actually like guidebooks on how to be a proper witch in society. >> mark: while that's like me saying i'm now a hispanic because that feels cooler. >> and it's okay. it's totally okay. it's america, and it's okay. >> mark: it so it self identity politics? >> and it's fine. why not. >> mark: where does the cultural appreciation come from? >> it has to be disrespectful . and they are saying that trump isar being disrespectful. >> mark: you are saying there's 1.5 million wretches who can actually do anything which he liked put a spell on you? >> while they are not defined which eat things. >> so like putting a spell on

you. so what is a witch? >> that's what they are saying. like instead of analyzing water, they are enjoying or drinking the water, it's about spirituality. it's almost like going away from christianity and embracing nature, perhaps being vegan as opposed to eating meat. >> mark: so you are saying that being a witch, it's not like in harry potter? >> no. that's movies.. no shakespeare here. >> no black magic?xi >> no, no hexes. these are good witches. >> but that -- >> it's actually real. >> that's like pat boone saying, i'm black and moving beyond the whole skin color thing. what's the point of any of it?

>> that's a point i guess, we are moving in a world whereu everything should be accepted and okay as long as you are not hurting others. >> mark: so being a witch, you mentioned the despised presbyterians who have now been outpaced. ed>> they are not despised, they are smaller. christianity is going down and witches are going up. >> mark: so being a witch is just like being a presbyterian, with the vegan food? >> i guess -- some witches say you could be a presbyterian anti-christian, and a witch. >> mark: and where do you talk about the which -- trump witch hunt thing? >> that's a witch minority in the country speaking up and saying, we exist. >> mark: it's like saying welshman, and that welshman getting offended? >> totally. i have no idea what that meansur

but, yes. >> mark: the european union hasn't gone far enough, we need to outlaw not just male words but actually figures of speech as well. it's always good to see you. are you flying off on your broomstick or is that stereotyping? >> don't stereotype me. please. >> mark: i'm sorry about that, i will get a coven for next time. if you live in new york area, you might have seen the sky flashed an unnatural blue last night. many noticed the light was the same color as what is used by aliens who destroyed new york and independence day. others drew a comparison, and that's the same blue as what is in the alien movies. but alas, con edison powers as it was all perfectly natural as far as bright blue flashes in the sky goes. they planed a light on something called arc flash at a power

station in queens. no aliens at this time but we will continue to be vigilant, monitoring it into 2019. by the way, some district court will say that trump has to let in all those aliens, you know that's coming. that's it for us, have a terrific night. welcome to this s ♪ >> gregg: welcome to the special edition of "hannity": a trump agenda. i'm gregg jarrett in four sean tonight. it's day seven of the partial government shutdown. president trump not backing down from its efforts to fund the ever important while on our southern border. tonight he tweeted, let's quote here, we will be forced to close the southern border entirely. the obstructionist democrats do not give us the money to finish the wall and also change that.