all right. we have a new format. we are looking out to protect you every night, your interest, unlike any show, fair and balanced, we hope you will join us. thank you for joining us. let not your heart be troubled.d jason chaffetz, you don't look like laura ingraham. how are you?t happy new year. [laughter] >> jason: i know. >> sean: they screamed in my ear, "jason is in for laura." >> jason: still laughing about the witch comments. thank you, sean. >> sean: are you a good witch or a bad witch? are you a dopey channel or ayo really dopey channel? trump hate every second, hour, day.ea witches hating trump. witches hating trump. god help this country. >> jason: thanks. i'm jason chaffetz in for laura ingraham tonight. migrants hauling rocks at our border.

this as nancy pelosi doubles down on refusing to give any money for the border wall and president trump not backingthwn down, saying the shutdown will last as long as it takes. congressman jim jordan and mark meadows join me in just minutes. plus incoming senator mitt romney's first order of business is taking on trump this coming month, after accepting the president's endorsement. also a resident of the cleveland clinic fired after social media posts focus of her comparing jewish people to dogs. and saying she would give them the wrong medication on purpose. but first, tomorrow marks day 13 of the government shutdown. and while president trump and the republicans are working around the clock to come up with a compromise to get funding for border security, democrats are doing their best to delay and score political points as the situation at our southern border grows more dire by the day. just look at what happened re monday night. a violent mob of more than 150

illegal immigrants rushed the border. putting women and children in danger, even reportedly pushing them to the front while clashing with border patrol agents. this is the second such incident since the caravan arrived late last year. president trump says it's more proof he needs the money to build the wall. >> we have a very tough border. i think you see that even last night. people charged the border, tried to get through, but they couldn't because we have a wall up.. if they knew they had a physical barrier, if they knew they had a wall, if they knew they had something that is going to stop them, they would have never come up in the first place. weth are in a shutdown because democrats refused to fund the border security. they try and make it like it's just about the wall, and it is about the wall. the areas that are built, nobody's getting through. you can't get through unless you are a world-class pole vaulter on the olympic team. >> jason: we've got a big lineup tonight. covering all the angles, former acting i.c.e. director tom homan is here plus congressman mark

meadows and jim jordan. we begin with trace gallagher ie the west coast newsroom with the back story. >> jason, border patrol says just after midnight on new year's, it fired tear gas at a group of migrants because they were throwing rocks and tryingn to climb the border fence. saying the migrants were againin showing their propensity for violence. watch. >> instead of trying to come north or surrender, they decided to assault border patrol agents. with a hail of rocks. our agents responded with the least amount of force it possibly could to protect themselves and the border and did actually secure the border in this area. >> an associated press photographer disputes the bordea patrol's sequence of events, saying the rocks were thrown after the teargas was launched. though there appears to be no dispute that more than 100 migrants did rush the border and used a variety of tactics to climb over and under the fence. former i.c.e. director thomas homan says it's no coincidence that tv cameras happened to be

rolling. >> the people that plan and motivated this caravan are taking on the border patrol. they want to make it a storyt about border patrol abusing the civil rights of these animals. the border patrol is doing their job. >> no reports of major injury but dozens of migrants were arrested. this marks a second time in two months that caravan members have stormed the border and the second time that border agents have pushed them back using tear gas and pepper spray. meantime, in the wake of two migrant children who died in custody of immigration agents, customs and border protection says the number of sick kids at the border is soaring, and that they are now referring 50 people a day for urgent medical care, including for tuberculosis, flu, and women about to give birth. most of those who need care are children, in fact, 28% of all cases are those under the age of five. cbp also says most of those needing medical health were sick before they arrived at thehe

border, and many of the migrants had acknowledged being told that if they brought their young children to the border, they m would get more lenient treatment by u.s. authorities. jason? >> jason: thanks, trace. joining me now, tom homan, former acting i.c.e. director and fox news contributor, and francisco hernandez, an immigration attorney. gentlemen, thank you both for being here. it is tough to see kids, particularly at the border, but it does appear, francisco, that a lot of these parents have been told that it would be easier to get into the united states if they brought their kids as if they are trying to use these kids in order to make their way into the united states. >> absolutely. we are the country where it's easier to get forgiveness than permission. i do want to say, i can't understand why special agent homan was not made permanent director of i.c.e. i mean, he does have the support of the troops. he has my respect. he has real solutions. but the problem is here, never

blaming the democrats, who just took over the house today? what happened for the last two years? why couldn't they build a wall, why couldn't they do immigration reform the last two years? a we are sitting down and nothing is getting done. >> jason: francisco, it's a math problem. that number is 60. they require 60. the house of representatives did pass a $5 billion appropriation for -- $5 billion to build the wall. but to say that the republicans at the house and senate and the president -- >> why were republicans are scared about democrats' filibuster? let them show their true colors and let them filibuster, but put something on the table -- >> jason: i agree with you. no doubt. >> they are scared of the democrats' filibuster. >> jason: i want to bring in tom homan. so that -- but i agree with you. i think the senate should have voted, and the 115th congress, on the bill thaten was passed up by the house. tom, i want to get to the

situation of the border. you have border patrol agents, not very well compensated, they put all the weight on their shoulders. but the border patrol agents, they do want a wall, don't they? and how are they dealing -- how do you instruct and teach people and tell people to deal with people who supposedly are coming to claim asylum but they are throwing rocks at you and tryint to sneak in the border over a wall? >> look, these border patrol t agents, they are well-trained. first first of all, you said they are not be compensated very much, they are not being completed at all right now. these men and women are not getting paid and they are putting their lives on the line for this country and i saw it happen on the border. look, they are doing the best job they can. >> jason: amen. >> to protect this border, and using tear gas was the minimum use necessary to protect themselves. they can't be hit with rocks. >> jason: they do what they got to do. >> we ought to salute them. but i said it in an early show, this is not all by accident. these demonstrations, there's a lot of pushing going on at the southern border. these caravans are trying to get in, they want to put the border

patrol in bad light, they want to be in the front page of every newspaper of the world. you can't convince me that 7,000 people decided, let's go to the united states. this has been a managed -- planned by certain groups -- >> and funded. you are correct. i'll sign up with special agent homan. he's absolutely right. >> jason: but francisco, why are these people not going to the port of entry? that is where the resources are -- >> because they can't get in the port of entry! this is an entire orchestrated -- we don't knoww f it was from the right or the left, but there is no way 7,000 people thousand people all of a sudden get up and come over here in unison and none of them look like -- this is politics. it is a political ghost, we are afraid of it, we can't touch it. but we are all afraid of it. let's just get down to immigration reform. if democrats are going to block it, let them filibuster! let them show their true colors! >> jason: no argument here.

senate should be voting, no doubt about it.. i want to ask mr. homan, though, for a second, there is a report out today that with the congressional leaders went overr to meet with the white house, secretary nielson was going to give a briefing, and they were interrupted by either ms. pelosi or mr. schumer, and they really didn't want to get the briefing when they went to the white house. what runs through your mind when you hear o stories like that? >> it is unconscionable that our democratic leadership did not let the senate to confirm homeland security secretary, give them a security briefing on the border. i mean, she was going to share with them, how many criminals were arrested coming across the border, how many terrorists werr arrested coming across the border, how many criminals have been arrested by i.c.e. that were here illegally that obviously came into the united states illegally. she was going to give them a real-life situation in the border, how many children are sick, how many people need medical care, how many people come with disease, and they refused to give them a briefing by the number one response in this country by congressional representatives, get a securely funded border. they did not want to hear it because it does not fall in lint

with their talking points of, there is no problem the border. there is no crime, there is no disease -- >> jason: fair enough. i got to get your reaction, i've only got a minute left. >> why do we let the democrats -- the tail wag the dog? democrats have been the minority for two years! why are we letting them discuss -- >> jason: hold on. >> jason, let me tell you what is happen.-- since they shut down the h secretary today, if the president of the united states h is watching, i am for you,n to have a presidential address in the entire nation in prime time, share this data with the american people. they voted for you to secure this border, they need ton hear this data on the criminals and the gangs and drugs coming across as border. go around nancy and mr. schumer, talk to the american people. you will win their support. >> sign me up. that is the man speaking the truth right there. absolutely. i will fold, i am with him. absolutely. >> jason: well, good. gentlemen, thank you very much for what you are doing. thank you for joining this discussion. i got to move on to another

topic, the same topic, president trump has asked congressional leaders to return to the house on friday to try to hammer out a deal on national security. but neither side appears willing to compromise on what that actually means. >> how long do you think the government will stay partially shut down? >> could be a long time, or could be quite quick. could be a long time. it is too important a subject to walk away from. we are in the shut down because of the fact that the democrats are looking to 2020. i actually think it's bad politics. but i'm not thinking about the politics. i'm thinking about what's right and what's wrong. and we need a physical barrier.t everything else is bells and whistles. >> the bottom line is very simple. in our last meeting, the president said, i'm going to shut the government down. they are now feeling the heat. he says he won't sign it and use the government as hostage, we

should just give in, the american people don't want that. that is bad for our country, and that's not the way to govern. >> we are asking the president to open up the government. we are giving him a republican path to do that. why would he not do it? >> jason: joining me now for an "ingraham angle" exclusive, house freedom caucus members jim jordan and mark meadows. i had the honor and privilege to serve with you. always great to see you. i want to start with markk meadows here, congressman, got to tell you, there has been w c tweeting out there, some reports that you've been working pretty closely with lindsey graham, trying to figure out how to figure out that compromise. where we had tonight? >> i can tell you, you said it earlier. the president has been working around the clock. he and his team, i was on the phone with him twice yesterday,h on the phone with him on christmas eve. senator graham has done thees same, doing great work. really offering a number of

options. it's interesting, the whole narrative is that the republicans won't compromise ann the democrats won't compromise. but i can tell you, there has t been at least three substantial offers, both directly and indirectly, that have been made on behalf of the republicans,re that really come up against a wall. it is a wall of really undeniable resolve it where they are saying zero money for border security, let's have open borders, and the american people want to support that. >> jason: i want to play this clip and i will let jim jordan react to it. i this is nancy pelosi on another network. >> are you willing to come up and give him enormous money for the wall? because apparently that's the sticking point. >> no. we are talking about border security. >> nothing for the wall, that means -- >> it's back and forth. how many more times can we say no? nothing for the wall. >> jason: what is your reaction? >> this is nancy pelosi, this is the same lady who said, you got to read the bill before you know what's in it.

excuse me, passed a bill before you know what's in it, who three weeks ago in the oval office said there aren't the votes inr the house to pass a border security, border wall funding in it, and when she says she's not going to do it, i say, let's take the case to the american people, just like the president is doing. ask some family who have seen terrible things, asked molly tibbetts' family. ask the law-enforcement officer that just a few weeks back, so this is important, we need the border security wall, the president has been clear on n that, as mark just indicated, he is willing to compromise. the democrats have said nothing. nothing for the wall. if you want to deal with the drug problem, the gang problem, human trafficking problem, youdr need a border security wall. that is all we are saying. we are only asking for $5 billion. we were willing to come down on that.. let's get off the position, speaker-to-be pelosi -- >> jason: i don't know how the democrats can be successful.

you try to do what the border patrol wants, the border patrol wants these people coming north, they are the ones that have to deal with it. jerry nadler, the congressman from new york, the incoming chairman of the house judiciary committee, which does have jurisdiction here. listen to the comments he made. >> this shutdown that president trump has initiated, proudly claimed, is really blackmail of the american people. he is feeling abandoned.la what this shutdown really is as an extremist policy designed to hold the whole country hostage. >> it's really interesting. most people back home -- most of your viewers tonight, they believe that they need to have a safer community, and a secure border. we are a nation of laws, let's uphold the laws. yet here we are, border patrol agents, you just heard it there, border patrol agents say they need a barrier, they needed tools to do that. we need to do that. the president has waited two years. he campaigned on this. you know that, jason. he waited two years.

he said, enough is enough. now is a time to do it. let's make sure that we get a border wall. >> here's the fundamental problem. the democrats are much more focused on stopping the president than they are on doing what is best for the country. the agents want the wall.re the american people want the wall, people whose families who had loved ones harmed by people here illegally want the wall. mr. jerry nadler, he's much more focused on impeachment proceedings, much more focused on the emoluments clause, trump tax returns, all those things. let's see what's best for the country here. >> jason: i don't know how the democratic party succeeds when they want to abolish i.c.e. they say the wall is immoral, they are in favor of sanctuary cities, and then when you try to fund the things they voted in favor of previously, they are y not willing to do the appropriations. >> many of these same democrats, you saw nancy pelosi and chuck schumer, many of them have voted for border security and walls previously. the only difference now is president trump is in the white house and they can stand to give him anything. >> jason: how to get over that

hurdle? >> i think one, you have to continue to give options, which the president is doing. you have to make the case to the american people -- we are trying to get a petition going. we have opened up borderwallnow.com, where we are encouraging grassroots across the country, to start the day, they sign a petition and say we are standing with the president, we want border security. it will be your viewers and people like them across the country that have to step up.pr >> the gofundme page has $19 million already. one of our colleagues has a bill which would enable that money to go to the treasury and help build the wall. his bill is called "buy a brick, build a wall." those are the kinds of things -- that is common sense. let's get this done for the american people. >> jason: it's almost $19 million, unbelievable. i got to transition to

a little bit of oversight, something the three of us sat on it, and i was the former chairman of. you will be the new ranking member working alongside elijah cummings, who will be the new chairman. i think the democrats have laid out some 80 plus investigations that -- how are you going to deal with that? >> 80 different investigationss they want to do. they had 54 different subpoenas that they issued, that they wanted to issue this time, this past time. and just over two weeks ago, mr. cummings announced 51 letters and all kinds of thingsm he wants to investigate. we'll see. do they -- i think the president said this best, do they want to legislate or do they want to investigate? it sure seems like they want to investigate. it sure seems like they are more focused on stopping president trump they aren't helping the country. we'll see what chairman cummings and the other chairman -- >> jason: what i thought wasl interesting, i was very proud of the fact that we had evidence of something that was wrong and then we pursued it. as opposed to presupposing the end result and then trying to go back and fill in the fact later. >> i will still call you mr. chairman, you are exactly right. what happened there, jason, we have an oversight

responsibility, not an investigative responsibility. it's very different. when wrongdoing or the suspicion of wrongdoing is brought to us, then indeed we can properly investigate, conduct oversight, and do the like. but yet here we have a fishing expedition where we will say everything that you could have possibly done wrong, we willll investigate, even if it was prior to you becoming the w president of the united states. it's just wrong. >> we just got to focus on the truth. focus on getting to the truth, doing our proper oversight,r holding the executive branch accountable. focus on the truth. if we do that, we will be fine and serve the taxpayers. >> jason: gentlemen, we appreciate what you do. we appreciate your service. i know personally how much timee you sacrifice away from your beautiful families that you have. i thank you for joining us. there's a lot on the line. it will be interesting to seene what happens tomorrow and the election of the new speaker. coming up next, mitt romney comes roaring into congress with a renewed attack on thet, president. hear my take on the new war of words.

plus, the newly elected senator from indiana, mike. brown, on the eve of being sworn into the 116th congress. >> he hasn't even got into office and he was very happy when i endorsed him. i think mitt romney hopefully will be a team player. if he's not, that's okay. look, i'll handle it.

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will, forming of national character, that i think we could do better job. >> jason: that was incoming utah senator and failed g.o.p. presidential nominee mitt romney after his blistering op-ed against president trump, the leader of mitt romney's own party. trump hitting back today. >> i wish he could be more of a team player, surprised he did this quickly. i'm surprised he did this quickly. and look, i endorsed him, i thanked me very profusely. i read his op-ed. >> jason: leland vittert joins us live now with more on the war of words. >> good evening, jason. mitt romney seems to have been able to unify the republican party to a way that has been elusive for just about anybody else.pa so far, the only significant republican coming to romney's defense is outgoing senator jeff flake. other than that, he's alone after writing an op-ed. t

he outlined a number of complaints of the president and said on balance, the president has not risen to the mantle of the office. the president's response seems restrained. >> i just hope he is going to be a team player. if he is a team player, that will be great. i will say this, if he fought really hard against president obama, like he does against me, he would have won the the election. >> romney's niece and g.o.p. chairwoman wrote, "for an incoming republican senator toom attack president trump as their first act feeds into what the media wants and is disappointing and unproductive. >> why is he calling the president dishonest? when you attack someone's character like that, i think that is such a low blow and so personally directed and so malevolent that it's not

something like, oh, we -- someone will change their character. he has now called his character dishonest. i think that is a bad way for him to start in the senateha because i think it will spoil relations between his representation of utah and the t president. >> it is fair to say that the president and romney have had an on-again, off-again relationship with mr. trump endorsing romney in 2012 and trading jabs with then-candidate trump, calling romney a choker in 2016 to then considering him for secretary of state before endorsing romney for senate, a fever romney refused today to return. >> i said, i will wait and see with the alternatives are. >> one alternative could be jeff flake, who as we noted earlier, jason, defended romney today and also noted, "i do hope that somebody runs to challenge the president," that being senator flake's words. >> jason: thanks, leland.

i represented the people of the great state of utah. i want romney and trump to succeedsuccess. succeed. romney readily accepted trump's endorsement when he was runningn for the senate, even after calling trump a phony and a fraud back in 2016. nothing changed. trump is still the same person he was back in 2016. part of what i actually likes about president trump. romney rode that trump train all the way to washington.ll in an october debate when he was asked about his past trump attacks, romney said this. >> i'm not going to characterize specifically my comment in the regard of the past. i'm going to talk about the future, where we are going, what he has done positively in my view. he is doing a number of things that i agree with and frankly, not a lot that i disagree with. >> jason: well, i guess that wasn't true. it's perfectly clear that romney

doesn't take issue with trump on policy. no, his focus is on trump personality and approach. to the good people of utah, some of who will cheer these romney comments, his job is to represent the state of utah, noe himself. this is not a good look for an incoming senator. in fact, this is selfish. it does not help the state of utah or solve a problem. it only creates one. but now we have a different, newly minted senator joining us. the one from indiana, mr. mike braun is here.e. congratulations, sir, and becoming the next senator from indiana. a big move. you are coming into washington, d.c., you see what is going on with mitt romney. in the midst of a government shutdown. is this the picture you thought it would be when you were coming and got elected? >> when you stick your neck out to do something like this, you never know what is going to eventuate. i did it back in 2017 and i l started kicking the tires to --

i was inspired by what i7 saw with president trump. i think when you talk aboutut character and other things, it is important. i don't dismiss that. i think what mitt romney did, had a political calculationpo to it that remains to be seen. i'm just anxious and would not have run unless i was inspired by the fact it was not going to be business as usual. to me and come up for a main street entrepreneur like myself, from a functional state like indiana, we were looking for something refreshing that was different from the past two or three decades i will respect everyone that's here. i thought it was peculiar timing for a freshman senator >> what's the first order of business? >> to me, we've got tosi get bak

to where we pass a budget under regular order and do things that i think most hoosiers and americans would expect. i think that is not to have -- what is it, a $4 trillion budget that we cannot seem to get balanced year after year. where i come from, when i was on the school board, was i was in a functional state government,m, when i ran a business for 37 years, you have been laughed out of any one of those institutions if you were operating like the federal government does. i'm not going to cast any aspersions or astounded anyone. but i'm going to start seeing things work and i it's going to take more people from the mainstream, the main street of america, if we are going to see something happen different in the dynamic of d.c. >> jason: where are you at on the wall? indiana, a little far from the southern border. what is your take on the president on what's the president advocating? >> all throughout the campaign, primary, and general, border

security, including building the wall, where you need to especially, worries about social security and medicare going to be around. that actually ranked up with the economy, and that is because the economy is doing so well. >> jason: are you willing to keep the government shutdown until the president gets his wall? >> look at how long we have gone and border security has not been addressed by republicans and democrats. i think when would be a better time than now? most of the government is funded.me that is a misstatement that the government will fall apart. we have to get used to having less government in the long run anyway if we are ever going to balance a budget. and i think it's time to stake out the turf on, let's see where the democrats are. we know they are against a wall. i would love to see what they would be willing to spend any money on, and all i hear is that they would be for border security with no specifics.

>> jason: that's the problem. they don't have any specifics. >> how much money are you willing to spend? >> jason: i got over a minute but i got two questions i got to ask you. what do you believe is the biggest threat to the country address? >> i believe, and we hear it all the time, if we keep laughing off trillion dollar deficits and most people don't realize interest rates have gone up 2, 2 and a quarter percent,e on 20 trillion, that is $400 billion. we cannot run a government with that kind of dynamics. >> we don't do it anywhere elseo >> jason: we are spending more than $600 million a day just in interest on that debt. you have a great business background, you beat two of myst colleagues from the house. two good people, but you shot through the middle and came to victory. last question i want to ask you because i know you got a passion for this. where do you want to focus your time? there are so many issues but where do you want to focus? what do you want to tackle and

achieve as the new senator? >> i've got a lot of things i'm interested in. number one, we've covered it. if we don't get more people like me from there we are world, balanced budgets, payrolls, done things with balanced budgets and cash reserves, we are not going to do much as a federal government. specifically, health care. the democrats basically got that issue right in the sense that you should never go broke because you have a bad accident or you get sick. but they teamed up with big health care and we got obamacare. we got to have something better there. i want to focus onam infrastructure, which hopefully, all of us believe that roads ant bridges out to be sound in this country and find a way to pay for them. >> jason: we wish you the best of luck on both sides of the aisle. what's good for our country is what we should be prioritizing. congratulations to you and your family. tomorrow will be a big day, swearing in the next senator for indiana. thank you. up next, a doctor, one of the country's most prestigious hospitals is fired after some

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>> jason: you really have to hear the story to believe it. a resident at cleveland clinic was fired after vicious surfacedtic comments on social media, including a threat to give jewish people the wrong medicine. trace gallagher is back with all the details. trace? >> jason, a 27-year-old was a first-year resident at the prominent cleveland clinic when she was accused of making a lengthy list of anti-semitic remarks on social media for several years. she, who worked in the hospital's internal medical program, deleted all of her social media profiles but screenshots of her remarks dating back to 2011 were

documented by canary mission, a site dedicated to exposing anti-semitism.we canary measured notes that she supported terrorists,po called for violence against jews, trivialize the holocaust, and in 2013, compared nazi germany to israel. "tell me what makes israel's "we must remain a jewish state" of obsession any less than hitler'l obsession with a pure white nation." she, who also tutored and mentored high school and college students, and was involved in the big brothers, big sisters of america, also wrote in 2013, "annoying to go to school in a city full of jews because everywhere i go, i hear about the wonderful israel. about to tell this guy to shut the blank up." and in 2012, she posted this. "ha ha, ew. i will personally give them all wrong meds."ll

the cleveland clinic says,on "there have been no reports of any patient harm related to her work during the time she was here. in no way, do these beliefs reflect those of our organization. we fully embrace diversity, inclusion, and a culture of safety and respect across the entire health system." the hospital also confirms that she was fired after an internal investigation and canary mission says that she is connected to other social media users whose feeds are replete with anti-jewish posts. jason? >> if you are reading a story about somebody, it's like the failing "new york times," which is so bad. it's so bad. >> jason: president trump has been railing against "the new york times" since the 2016 campaign, claiming they were dishonest and biasedai against him. it turns out he was right. according to his former executive editor, jill abramson. she says the papers news pages,

the home of its streets news coverage, have become "unmistakably anti-trump." here now is howard kurtz, fox news me analyst and host of "media buzz" on the fox news channel. you were the one that broke a te story and found what she had been saying. this is -- we've heard this before. we have not really seen it to this degree. >> we haven't heard from the former editor of "the new york times." the story has gone absolutely viral. she's written a forthcoming boo> and she says, the news pages, not the op-ed plan, these pages, raw opinion, headlines, this rings the cash registers. "given its mostly liberal audience, there was an implicit financial reward for "the times" running a bunch of anti-trump stories, they drove by traffic numbers." more than a half million digital subscriptions, just the first few months of trump in the white house. >> jason: they were rewardeded with circulation.

at what point do they get off the rails and decide that, hey, we got to go out and make surear that we give our audience what they want rather than playing it straight and deliver the news? why isn't that their mantra? >> that should be the mantra of every news organization. i think a lot of organizations like "the times" are finding that there is a financial award, almost a business model and playing to an anti-trump audience.al in this case, yes, jill abramson was fired four years ago. she writes about this in the book, i write about it in the column. she admits she had flaws, she could be self-righteous, and she's criticizing her successor, the current executive editor who was her number two, played a role in the firing, does not read to me like sour grapes. it reads to me like somebody who loves "the new york times" -- who, by the way, is not a fan of president trump. she's criticized him in her own columns but she believes the paper that she loves has gone off the rails when it comes toen this president. >> jason: is there a term -- is there a change in the journalistic standards for the young people?

i want to put up this quote that she says. "the more woke staff thought that urgent times called for urgent measures. the dangers of trump's presidency obviated the old standards." they think they are self-righteous and justified in doing this because there is the greater good. >> i've heard so many journalists say this, publicly or privately, donald trump's presidency is so out of control, he's not fit for the job, he justifies what we're doing. in effect, we have become the opposition party, we have to crusade against him. abramson is telling about the "the times," she said as the younger staff, the more woke staff. the standards of use for every other president, throw them out the window because as donald trump by the more anti-trump the "the times" is perceived to be, the more it mistrusted for being biased. that is the cost.ve you make lots of money in the

short term but if you lose that credibility that you are just applying a whole different set of standards for a president you don't like personally, viscerally, ideologically, i think your credibility erodes with a larger audience. >> jason: the relationship she had with hillary clinton, because it wasn't all pro hillary clinton, "the new york times" did break the story about -- >> the private email server. >> jason: that caused someme distrust. she seemed, at least from what i read your article, to say that f was a problem for her. never says that she's gotten along with hillary. she says hillary could be paranoid. she also thinks "the times" overplayed the hillary story. that's been the subject of a lot of debate. the point is, that is not me or you are president trump saying it, this is the former editor'sf the paper, former "wall street journal" reporter, putting her thoughts of this book, and essentially saying that the critics -- the worst critics of the "the times" are true when it comes to the trump coverage. i think journalists of all

organizations have to worry at this point -- not that there shouldn't be aggressive reporting, not that there aren't good reporters at "the times," not that some of the investigations missed the mark but the cumulative tone and volume and relentless nature of the anti-trump fuselage i think is hurting credibility, and now we have jill abramson -- >> jason: go to foxnews.com, find this article. it's a fascinating read. i think it is more problematic than just "the new york times." i wonder where these schools of journalism are in what they are teaching these kids because i don't get the sense of, we will report the news, not try to create the news to push our own political narrative. thank you. >> sometimes that is seen as old-fashioned. >> jason: i appreciate it. a new year and a new round of attacks and our president by the new york governor, andrew cuomo. did the democrat crossed the line? my panel answers that after the break. >> let new york say that the federal government may shut itself down but it will never extinguish the statue offe liberty's torch!

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>> jason: new york governor andrew cuomo is starting out his third term in office with the same old scare tactics. the democrat using his 20 minute inauguration speech to attack president trump, not by name, of course. have a watch. >> as our nation once confronted a great economic depression, we now confront a great social depression. people's frustration is turning to fear and the fear is turning to anger and the anger is turning to division. it is impossible to overstate how dangerous, how malignant

this condition is. it is like a cancer that is spreading throughout our society. >> jason: joining me now, byron york, "washington examiner" political correspondent than a fox news contributor. and richard goodstein, former aide to hillary clinton and a democratic strategist, who joined us on the show many times.ow thank you, gentlemen, for coming in. a bit melodramatic as i read what andrew cuomo did. i recognize he's being sworn ind for the third time but was it over-the-top for you, richard? >> he comes quite honestly, given who his dad was. i actually don't foreclose the notion that he will want forns president though he insists he's not. i think he has been kind of angling for it for some time. he couldn'tt resist. he didn't call out trump by name, as you mentioned. yet i actually think the things he calls for when he talks about a new era for justice in terms of voter registration and taking no corporate money into state

campaigns, we have other federally, as you know. i don't think what his agenda is as all that radical, but he has to but that little twist on rhetorically, and again, i think it is in his gene pool. >> jason: governor of a big state, byron.n important state. what was your take on it? >> it was a little more over-the-top than the romney op-ed. kind of some of the same themes. this is a trend i think we are seeing in some blue states, where some blue state officials seem more interested in donald trump then they are and what is going on in their own states. cuomo spent a lot of his reelection campaign talking about the trump administrationg and the president.en letitia james, the new new york state attorney general basically won a race that was kind of a get trump contest, where all of the candidates talked about how much they will go after donald trump if theyst became the attorney general. so in these blue states, where you do have huge, huge anti-trump majorities among the voters, there seems to be more

interest in national politics at the moment that what is going on in their own states. >> jason: they run the risk, democrats, of being all trump all the time and not talkingng about -- they get in the brain. donald trump gets in your brain and they are not talking about the issues that supposedly differentiate democrats from republicans. >> my answer to that, they won 40 some house seats, and 24-11 in the senate. let's not think they had a bad year in the senate. they won 24 of 35 --d >> jason: i hope republicans keep having bad years like that. >> my point is, they won the seats they did by talking about health care and job creation and so forth that we are very much geared toward their constituents. they can't talk about -- resisted in california and new york and so on and it works for them but these are competitive races, they were talking about things that matter to their constituents, like n health care. >> jason: byron, they were

also out there talking about -- cuomo pardoned 20 plus people so that they could get out of having to be deported. is that a winning message outside of maybe the liberal new york or california? >> this speech was delivered at ellis island to send an immigration message. here again, it's all about trump. put aside the question of whether all of these pardons or commutations were justified. some of them involve people who were convicted of murder. put aside that question, here again, you have states of trying to make their own immigration laws. we saw this again before donald trump appeared, the whole sanctuary city thing did. they are trying to make the own immigration laws, in particular because they dislike this president. >> jason: do you think that will hurt the governor if you decide to do anything else out there, pardoning these people? >> do i think that pardoning joe arpaio for contempt of court, pardoning people who basically misused -- lied to the cia, what

donald trump has done, do i think that will hurt him? no. if you rank order, all the things he has done, or thats andrew cuomo has done, this is a kind of small potatoes. >> jason: i want to get your quick thoughts on something very serious. this is a very authentic, just a true moment where you just catch the senator, senator warren, on, instagram, in just a raw -- this is who she is. watch this. >> i'm going for everyone who is joining this video. it's great to hear from you. i hold on a sec, i'm going to get me a beer. hey! my husband, bruce, is now in here. you want a beer? >> no, i'll pass on a beer. >> you sure? so this is my sweetie. >> hello. >> he's the best. >> jason: yep, it's 2020 politics at its best, byron. >> some candidates, alexandria

ocasio-cortez, made huge use of instagram, very, very successful use of instagram. this has kind of -- the kids today feel, 69-year-old senators trying to adopt this. you will see this on campaign in part because it is campaign.n. we talked about it, it gets spread around, you don't have to pay anything to spread it. >> in the last 48 hours, we've had elizabeth warren writing and for which we are cheap it, how she went to get it, how she w drank it, and people saying that he won't work for donald trump. we had that same sentiment fromg people in the cabinet, honestly, i don't know thatad elizabeth warren will be the nominee. i tend to think not. that is a fight thati democrats -- >> jason: i think, like hillary clinton, and to a degree mitt romney, the authenticity question will be her biggest problem. >> it may well be. >> jason: thank you for joining us. we'll be right back with "the last bite."

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>> time for the last bite. tomorrow is a big day in washington dc in the start of a new congress, the 160th and a brand-new speaker. nancy pelosi is confident she has the votes to take back the gavel. that remains to be seen. what do her kids think? what are your feelings about this person you know quite well

becoming speaker of the house for a second time? >> he would get your head off and you wouldn't even know your bleeding. no one ever won betting against nancy pelosi. you got to give her credit. >> i guess she thinks there's a compliment. that is all the time we have tonight. i will be back tomorrow night but stay tuned because it henry in the fox news at 19, take it from here. >> we been with fox news alert, hours away from democrats taking over the house on day 13 of the government shutdown was before nancy pelosi is sworn in is likely speaker she is already declaring her bill offering to reopen the government will include, quote, nothing for the wall. after two years of the minority thing resist pelosi is heading to the majority with a new word, no, she used it 5 times