one place for the chicago bears, and the other for the philadelphia eagles. i will give this a go. >> bill: has 59th birthday, happy birthday to howie. go bears? >> sandra: come on. that's a wrap. thank you, everybody. "outnumbered" starts now. >> harris: fox news alert, right now the president has congressional leaders back at the white house as the partial government shutdown approaches two weeks. reportedly, there is no deal in sight for the president and democrats. neither side is budging. you are watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis. lisa boothe, radio host and fox news contributor leslie marshall, and we welcome for the very first time in the center seat, from the great state of florida, republican congressman matt gaetz. great to have you. >> matt: great to be here. i have done almost every show on your network, but this account has been my white whale. [laughter] great to be here with you, this caps the career.

>> leslie: mission accomplished. >> harris: we will call you moby. i love the cobalt suit, by the way. bringing freshness of the couch! >> matt: i've got to bring some sale to the congress. i used to wear please. >> leslie: should i mention what i heard about somebody's jacket? i won't. [laughter] >> harris: welcome. we will move onto the news now. can they make a deal? for the second time this week, top lawmakers from both political parties are meeting with the president at the white house. as you know, some vital parts of the government remained shuts down. it hundred thousand federal workers could soon be without paychecks. the main sticking point is president trump's border wall. you wash it on fox as he made an impromptu stop at yesterday's white house press briefing. >> call it what you will, but without a while you cannot have border security. it won't work. you see what's been put out on social media, where thousands of people are rushing the border. having drones and various other

forms of sensors, they are all fine. but they aren't going to stop the problem that this country has. >> harris: democrats say they won't give the president an extra penny for his wall. one of their first orders of business upon taking the house majority was passing a measure last night to reopen the government to, minus wall funding. here is new house speaker nancy pelosi. >> a wall is an immorality. it's not who we are as a nation. this is not a wall between mexico and the united states, that the president is creating, here. it's a wall between reality and his constituents. he does not want them to know how he is hurting them, so he keeps the subject on the wall. he is a master of diversion. >> harris: let's jump to the other chamber. the senate, now. majority leader mitch mcconnell is facing pressure within his own ranks in the shutdown, with at least two g.o.p. senators saying they would support a deal

that did not include wall funding. white house correspondent kevin corke is on the north lawn, day 14. >> day 14 indeed, harris. you are right. that briefing, by the way, that you mentioned over the situation room -- it's underway. it got underway a little bit later than we anticipated, shortly after 11:30 a.m. but it is underway, the idea is to -- once again, harris -- spell out in detail why those on the front lines need more support from congress to defend the border. they say, that includes a wall. that's what the homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen tried to do, as you pointed out, in her previous presentation. it was repeatedly interrupted -- intentionally, i might add -- by nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. vice president mike pence said their efforts won't stop the troops from getting out to the american people. >> the american people know, walls work. we heard from border agents today in the oval office that in areas and sectors where they

were assigned to deal with illegal immigration, the flow of narcotics, human trafficking, all the threats to our community that they face of the border. you saw illegal immigration, the the flow of narcotics, dropped precipitously. >> so, the bottom line is you want to ask of the deal if it doesn't include a wall. if i'm hearing this right. >> the president has made it very clear. >> vice president with tucker carlson last night. the president upped the ante on this debate posting a powerful video on twitter, noting he believes there are dangers along the southern border and the wall would help address them. by the way, white house officials say it isn't immoral. as nancy pelosi has suggested. >> i wonder if she's going to go on a crusade and take them all the fences and walls across this country. i certainly hope not. i hope the people that have them around their homes, the institutions that have them, whether it's the vatican or anywhere else, aren't going to be really happy with the fact that nancy pelosi is calling their walls and their security

immoral. it has never been immoral to protect people. >> i am checking my phone, just making sure i haven't gotten any new messages here, harris. we have heard a rumor that the president and republican leaders could be addressing the media over in the rose garden this afternoon. that's the conclusion of that briefing. we make that suggestion based in part upon what we have actually seen. there are speakers, they have done some speaker checks out there in the rose garden. that would seem to lead us believes something is going to happen out there. if i get confirmation, and there has been some reporting to this end, i promise i will pass it along to you. again, we could be heading over to the rose garden shortly. if that happens, you will know it here first. back to you. >> harris: kevin, you know i love you. but i like my tea and a teapot and a cup. [laughter] for those tea leaves you are reading. >> okay, but he. >> harris: [laughs] thank you. congressman gaetz, this is day 14 and this is now the fourth --

it ties with the fourth largest shutdown we have seen in u.s. history. who politically benefits and who is at a disadvantage, politically? >> i think the president always believes he is winning if immigration is front and center, and without separation of moms and babies. he's able to articulate the themes about border security. national security. rising wages, a competitive american economy. when we reinforce the rule of law. when we go into this negotiation, i think we should judge it by whether or not the democrats offer anything any deal. you have seen the president time and again say, let me keep the country safe with more technology. with more wall. really, anything. he's trying to get a win. democrats, they voted against the first law. they voted against getting century cities. they voted against the number of other border security measures that would help us deport more criminal gang members. so if they won't vote for those things, what can they offer? >> melissa: but they come back and say "we've offered a solution, we have a way to open

the government. the only thing we won't do was put forward money for a wall." in the way they spend is exactly the opposite, that it's a wall or nothing, and then "we will give you everything except that." >> senator gaetz: i think it's the status quo or its change. it doesn't reflect a new set of priorities or a highlighting of the crisis we have on the border. 60,000 people are showing up every month over the last three months. 85% of them, family units -- because we are drawing people across our borders illegally with our policies. if the question is whether or not we will just keep kicking the can down the road, this president will not do that. but i think he is open to a wide array of options as to how to keep country safer. >> harris: you kind of alluded to the fact -- and i want to put a fine point on that -- there is a wall on the board in california where nancy pelosi has been a congresswoman for three decades. i don't understand -- and it has been in written form with democrats voting for it. i'm going to peek over your shoulder now to leslie marshall and just ask you about that.

can it be called something else? melissa and i have been talking about this on the couch for weeks. we get the marketing value for the president's side. we now get the marketing value for the democrats, because they can say "no wall money." but where is the juicy middle in this? >> leslie: the difference is -- and there is dancing that badly needs repaired needs repaired. >> harris: the president has money that was already allocated to restore some of those areas. >> leslie: when you look at the way it is right now, and it's not just semantics. it's not the matter of cost, but how much of that wall and how much of that border is, in fact, a wall. is that good enough for security? we heard the vice president with tucker carlson last night talking about drugs. one of the problems we have had in southern california, the underground tunnels. the wall does nothing to address that. this issue -- and i said yesterday -- it goes bigger. you talk about one of the reasons they are coming here, it's that carrot of opportunity that is being dangled. nobody is addressing that.

car brands of immigration reform has to include border security. both sides want that. but, speaking of both sides, we have democrats saying "hey, let's put forth something you already agreed to." and of is saying "no, we don't like that." but you already agreed with it in the past. [laughs] >> melissa: democrats already agreed with funding for offense. i wanted to make sure i pushed back on it before we go back. >> harris: lisa, at least two republicans now are saying that come in the senate -- i know there is a big majority for republicans and the senate, but if you start losing those republicans over this issue, they are saying "you know what customer we might sign off on some get doesn't have all funding. >> lisa: will make things tough republicans is that even though they do have the 53 53 t majority in the senate, they need votes to get done. therein lies the problem. when you get people like defect, like a cory gardner or susan collins, that makes increasingly difficult for republicans to

hold the line. >> harris: but you need more democrats. >> lisa: that was the problem with the schumer shutdown back in january. they did this have election coming up, you had vulnerable senators who didn't want to do with it. they just wanted to pass something. they were worried about reelection. i think you will have some republicans having the same outlook, looking at 2020. nancy pelosi is saying that a wall is immoral, it's intellectually dishonest. it's ridiculous. democrats voted for a fence in the past, they voted for maintenance. >> harris: there is one in her state, near tijuana. >> lisa: we are willing to exchange villains of dollars for a wall. so, clearly they think it works. clearly they don't think it's immoral. it's a ridiculous statement for her to make. make it a more interesting argument, come on. >> harris: congressman, i do want to get back to what it is. it's more border patrol, it's more ice. and some democrats don't like ice. i understand that. but if you will have a hole, you need more people. that's what the president has

said all along. although, he has always consistently called it a wall. what do you have come as a republican, about different ways of talking about this? >> congressman gaetz: i would hope republicans and democrats can come together and agree that the united states senate is not the ideal architectural review committee for border security. i don't think we want 100 people negotiating whether or not you want a well here or a fence here or two princes or slats. i think we should trust a professional skier. this is about getting an input of researches resources that c, border security. spew and you know the president to do that, though. he looked at the prototypes. we had it on to be 25. william la jeunesse was down there kicking the tires and all the different kinds of walls. leslie is nodding. you know that democrats knew this, too. you can clearly see this was not a cement wall, even back then when there were prototypes. >> congressman gaetz: we have

to be able to better utilize our ice forces now, to be able to sense folks to do intercepts of the high-parity targets. there are an increasing number of those. we ten special interest aliens a month. these are known or suspected terrorists trying to use our border to come into the country. >> melissa: we always get back to the same place in the argument. that's what's so festering to me and so many regular americans out there. i feel like politicians and even pundits on both sides can make words say anything to make your argument. that's the scale, that's how you get elected, it's how you stay on television. the reality of what's underneath it is that very simple phrase that you just said, which is input resources to output security. if we could just agree in congress -- could people grow up and sort of sit there and say "we are going to input this money, these dollars of resources, for an output of security?" which includes whatever those architects down on the border think it makes sense. whether it's technology -- all the things we've named.

doesn't that make sense? >> leslie: it doesn't address the majority. remember, the majority people that come to this country illegally don't come over the border. >> melissa: is not immigration reform, you are right. >> leslie: is not just that, we talked about terrorism. the majority of them aren't coming over through the mexican border. we have four orders. >> melissa: i'm talking about this budget at this time right now. talking about this board and this issue. >> congressman gaetz: you have to clearly define those outcomes. i think that's fair. by the way, that's not partisan. when we say "what do we want the outcomes to be on the border, where can we do believe the resources, the technology, the manpower to achieve those outcomes? "right now, an increase in sentinel and heroin. we are losing this country as a consequence. >> harris: before we slide on, i would say this -- none of this can get solved before or slightly after february 8th. i'm not clear on what they are fighting right now. >> congressman gaetz: i fear we are fighting over the fact

that democrats have a splitting base. as you identified, lisa, they've gone from saying that walls don't work to that walls are reese's and immoral. the boxes them and to build a find the common sense solutions i think melissa was highlightin highlighting. >> lisa: they aren't fighting over policy, they are fighting over politics. if it was over policy, the government wouldn't be shut down right now. because they have essentially both agreed to the premise of having some physical structure. >> harris: you know what else that would mean, lisa? that would mean they are doing their job. there is a reason why congress -- and not you, of course, congressman gaetz. [laughter] >> congressman gaetz: i'm not in washington, i'm here with yo you! >> harris: shoe size percentages for some people. maybe nba players. anyway, days after public criticism of president trump, freshman senator mitt romney of utah was tapped to sit on the foreign relations committee. putting him in a position to challenge the president on some major international issues. so, will mitt romney heads with

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will always speak truth to power." earlier, republican leaders respond to the video. here's how minority leader kevin mccarthy and chairwoman liz cheney reacted. >> you had very foul language used, accusations of the necessity to impeach. we are in a where the democrats are clearly bringing into this office, as they take charge, a level of rhetoric, a level of attack, a level of vitriol that isn't good for the country. >> how do you work with anybody if this is what they really have planned? if they go down into a place, others aren't watching it. these are foul language. saying they want to impeach the president. over what basis? we have a government shutdown right now. where are their priorities? >> melissa: one of our fox news producers caught up with speaker pelosi on our way into the meeting with the president, and he asked her about that congresswoman's remarks. he is what pelosi said.

okay, so come we are going back to that place where somebody is saying "can't use the language." and "the president did it." i don't really care about the linkage, but years are not that sensitive. it's more about the fact that, she said that to her son, she was lying to her son and her constituents because they don't have any hope of impeaching the president. it will get through the senate. what is your take? >> congressman gaetz: they will impeach him in the house. i don't think they will convict him in the senate. if you look, this is the new left. this is where the energy is in the democratic party. not to bring solutions on health care, not to work with us on immigration, not to pass an infrastructure bill, but to impeach donald trump. that member of congress had not been sworn in for 24 hours. she was not saying "we are going to protect people with preexisting conditions," she was saying "we are going to impeach the president." i think they will do it, because i don't think this version of the congress will push back against the talking heads. and the activists. >> harris: look at leslie's

face! >> leslie: wait, you allow me to disagree? >> congressman gaetz: sure! >> leslie: i would view pass on that. you may be wearing blue, but i'm a democrat. you are wrong. you have mostly the biggest number. 43 democrats have said they would. the majority have said no. nancy pelosi, speaker pelosi now, has said no. that's all we're going to do. it's too soon. not only will we see the report, and even though gerald ford said they can impeach for anything that is an impeachable offense, it's not -- exactly. by the way, can i tell you something? if you were going to impeach him, we would do it -- i believe we would do it if he did get reelected. when we get hopefully majority in the house. and that could be done. the majority democrats don't want to impeach the president. >> leslie: 70% of them believe in impeachment paid 70% paid that's a fact. >> leslie: they want to remove

the president. removing the president is not impeaching the president. it is making him a one-term president. >> congressman gaetz: that's not what the polling says. >> melissa: then what you make of her mark? that was my point. i don't think he was an offensive, it untrue. they aren't going to get him out. by virtue of electing her, you are not putting her in their so that she can remove him. >> harris: lisa, they say the house can do this because if they have the votes they can impeach. it doesn't mean it's going to go past the senate. >> leslie: i'm going to do this, i'm going to do that. >> congressman gaetz: this is day one of us is already where they are. >> lisa: hold on. she is also saying president trump sounds like a bully. >> harris: for being a bully, can you be impeach? >> lisa: if i'm being honest, both sides have a problem with this kind of language. it would be intellectually dishonest saying that both sides don't have an issue with this.

>> harris: it's unimaginative. to be jerry nadler, the judiciary chairman, made comments about impeachment. he alluded it could be a possibility. i don't agree with you on that. also, you're going to have obstruction and the sort of behavior from democrats. if some yosemite like maxine waters, who is going to be the financial services chairwoman, who has literally called for violence against people in the top administration. all we're going to see is obstruction and investigation. >> melissa: nancy pelosi, at times, sings a different tune. listen to this. >> we have no illusions that our work will be easy. but somebody in the chamber will always agree. but we pledge that when we disagree we respect each other and we respect the truth. >> melissa: congressmen? [laughter] >> congressman gaetz: look, i think lisa is right. both sides engaged in sharp elbowed language. i don't take great offense to that. i'm more interested in where the

puck is going. when you say that democrats are going to impeach the president, only 43 voted to do it? that's like looking into a mirror and believing that it is a window. that's where you are today. the fact that 24 hours don't even pass before you see democrats making this call, it shows you that they will not be able to withstand the pressure from their own voters. again, 70% of democratic primary voters favor impeachment. don't forget, we have a presidential election getting started already. when you see these 87 different democrats running for president, all trying to out-liberal each other -- whatever it is, i don't think there is a democrat in america not running. >> lisa: leslie, throw your name in the hat! >> leslie: when you say that, ben sherman for my state of california -- my party will tell you, he is one of if not the most vulnerable democrats who is bringing up articles of impeachment prayed i was approached to take his seat. this is how vulnerable he is. >> melissa: here's the point on this story -- he's someone who comes out and says "oh, she

doesn't know there was a recording in the room." i'm always suspicious of these things. she has gotten a huge boost in p.r. because everyone, everywhere, is talking about it. i mark it down as being much more contrived. >> harris: what room can we walk into? there are cameras everywhere. unfortunately, at the most inappropriate moments you may find out something that you said was on camera. >> melissa: especially on a microphone! >> harris: may be she knew, but she had to. she was holding a microphone! >> lisa: i'm with melissa. she knew. >> harris: for just a second -- the core issue has to do with who we want to be as leadership and as a country. as the congressman has pointed out, is this where you want to spend your first 24 hours? that goes both ways, by the way. >> leslie: you lead by example. and the president is leading by example. >> harris: it leads goes both .

he's been at the white house. if you want to talk about tit for tat, he is having them over -- >> leslie: i'm not saying tit for tat. i'm saying he needs to lead by example. >> harris: the background on the hills you got people cussing. yesterday he was drinking beer, today it's cussing paid what is it with your party, tom perez, dnc chairman -- what is it with those? no imagination. >> congressman gaetz: beto? >> harris: you have a whole vocabulary to choose from. >> leslie: ethic it's unfair to greet me and every other democrat with a woman who made a remark. the overwhelming majority of democrats and republicans who were in congress don't talk like that. the overwhelming majority of presidents have not talked like that. she wants respect. she is not responsible for what comes out of the mouth of an individual, an adult -- male or female -- in her party. >> harris: nor are republicans republicans. >> melissa: on the public inside, i mean, come on.

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direction, and more news potentially driving the market rebound. reports out of china that high-level u.s. trade negotiators are headed to beijing next week, and this is the first u.s.-china meeting since president trump and chinese president xi met in a seven and argentina late last year. they agreed to a 90 day cease fire on the ongoing trade dispute. all right, i want to start off with money. >> lisa: thank you. >> harris: we call melissa "money francis." when hogan gidley says they are coming off the sidelines, what does that mean for the economy? >> melissa: people who have given up hope before are now having a job. if the offering of sweeteners to people who bring in other people, because they are looking for workers and they can't find them. the number blew away estimates. it was supposed to be 177,000, and said 312,000. we saw wage growth, as well. that is huge because people have to not only be getting jobs, but making more money. that was giant. you're looking at the market. a lot of that, though --

sometimes a criticism is that the jobs number's backward-looking. this is about december. what's forward-looking? the china trade talks. the idea -- that is huge. the reason it plunged earlier in the week had a lot to do with apple and apple saying they weren't seeing a lot of sales in china. there is so much concerned about a global slow down, and what would turn that around? china and the u.s. back on track. that piece, i would say, is a bigger driver. >> harris: a really quick follow-up, because i treated about the spirit some of those jobs are seasonal. how does that factor in? because it's retail month. >> melissa: it is seasonal, but it's about the beat. knowing that it seasonal, they were looking from 177,000 and it said that 312,000. also it was there his vision for before. there was more than reported. good, good, good, great, great. >> lisa: i like that, melissa pray [laughter] >> harris: how does this fit the president's narrative that he's going to be differed on china?

and be patient that he's got it in terms of the tariffs and every thing else? >> lisa: i think it comes down to whether he gets a good deal and if you get the deal at all. the problem is we have seen people bear a little bit of the pain of this dispute with china. ultimately, if he does strike a good deal, there's a point on the border president trump. also, the economy is the key to president trump. he ran as that jobs president. he absolutely needs a strong economy heading into 2020. >> harris: congressman, where'd you put this in terms of what's happening on the hill right now? the fight and everything else? it's hard to talk about what's good when you are fighting over a closed government. >> congressman gaetz: it's always good as he'll break the success of the american people. to melissa's point, if you look at some of the places where the market is still soft today, we've got some lagging industries. agriculture is one i would keep an eye on. improving relations with china opens those markets. you can see and uplift as a consequence of america's farmers. see what i thought it was interesting, too -- the fed

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♪ >> melissa: democratic senator elizabeth warren heading to iowa this weekend for a series of events, days after announcing that she is forming an exploratory committee for a white house bid. the massachusetts democrat also staffing up in the first caucus state where she has made at least four key hires, including a top staffer who has served as

iowa caucus director and national caucus director for bernie sanders. now, war and is fund-raising off a politico tweet from winning a piece suggesting she would need to work on her likability to avr hillary clinton. her fund-raising email read and cut in part "if you get frustrated with commentators, spend more time covering elizabeth or any woman's likability examine her plans to make this country work for all of us. do something productive about it." leslie, i will start with you. what do you think? what you think of that strategy, and what you think of her chances? >> leslie: i don't think she has a chance. i think she definitely will be -- she will be a candidate. she will be an official candidate. not everybody says they will throw the hat in the ring will. i don't think she will be the nominee. this is why -- i think the cards that she holds echo the sentiments and the ideology of the majority of democrats. some from the left, some from the center. but the person holding the

cards, and that was a problem hillary clinton had. it goes be on the problem of likability. it's also relatability. another problem she has is she is sharing some of the people with bernie sanders. people that like her and like bernie sanders. it's splitting the pool, if you will come and they could be splitting the pool of voters. there are people who like hillary that would vote for her. i saw a number things on my twitter page yesterday that were talking about "welcome we didn't get hillary. maybe elizabeth could do it for us." i think it, being from massachusetts, i can say this. john kerry had this problem. i think hillary clinton had this problem. even though she cracked a beer on twitter the other day, she's not the kind of person you want to have a beer with. [laughter] and no offense! no offense, elizabeth warren! that some people like. intellectually, you can see some of these debates. john kerry, brilliant. hillary clinton, very intelligent. this is a problem that doesn't

resonate with some of those rustbelt voters. >> melissa: then again, a washington op-ed -- go ahead and scroll. "the woman looking at white house campaigns continue to shoulder gendered criticism and it demands not placed on their male counterparts, to be strong but not too strong. to be assertive without being pushy, lest voters turned away. for democratic women running for president, they must demonstrate they are not hillary clinton. nothing like her. , before they are in the now to take president trump. "go ahead. you can be brave. >> lisa: i dislike when leftist women play the victim card. they do this with equal pay. you are saying that the government needs to come down and dictate the terms of your employment. you can't do it on your own. may be, stop pulling the victim. go put more hours in pretour, take jobs that are more lucrative. it tends to be the breakdown -- >> melissa: how is that related to this?

>> lisa: it's leftist women playing the victim. it's not menage misogynist to t she was a terrible candidate. that's an objective opinion prayed she was terrible candidate. it's not misogynistic in sales with warren she also made a poor political decision to roll out that whole campaign, to tell the rest of america that she's less native american than the average white person. she's not a good candidate. that is an objective statement. it's not misogynistic. >> harris: i miss the sound of the congressmen's voice. >> congressman gaetz: i think she is to the 2020 election what chris christie was to the 2016 election. as you campaigned earlier she would have been able to coalesced that key constituency within the democratic party that liens farthest to the left. with bernie sanders bernie sanders, beto o'rourke singh to ignite the imagination and that part of the party. had chrissy run into a child, he could have beaten romney for the nomination.

he suffered from waiting at elizabeth warren will do the same. another president likes to call her pocahontas, but now that she's making her way into the eastern seaboard, maybe sacajawea would be more appropriate. speech you when you say things like that, half the world's gives you that you've made a racial slur. >> congressman gaetz: i'm saying it somebody who made mister presented racial heritage prayed and think to ask about elizabeth warren is that she wanted to be forward-leaning on his element of her own biography that wasn't accurate. it's not about her heritage, it's about trustworthiness. >> harris: you left me a few seconds, so i'm going to take them. in terms of likability -- and i do think we talk about these issues with women and men. right? if you are not likable, i'm thinking back to you -- i'm sure it's a very nice man with that helmet, mr. dukakis. that's what we remembered about him. everybody is grasping to have that moment where everyone thinks "oh, this is the person i want to hang out with!"

as leslie has put. with elizabeth warren -- and may be this is just a factor of how long she has been out there, which is what the congressman is saying. when you wait and wait and you wait, or member the day that has a clinton invited her on the dais because she needed more women late in the campaign. and she should have been nearly the same outfit. it's not that that can't happen, but if you know people are looking at judging it on that, as a person is supporting how you show up different. leslie, i want to hear ten seconds of that for me. >> leslie: that's the reality, it's not being evicted. there is a reality. for democrats, i want the candidate that will make this president a one-term president. i'm sorry, senator warren, but she is not the woman to do it. she will not have the nomination and she will not be -- >> melissa: a mic drop on that one. mitt romney tapped for a committee roll after his recent public clash with president trump. how this could affect the trump administration's agenda going forward.

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♪ >> lisa: welcome back. senator mitt romney's getting a high-profile role as he joins the senate after his recent clash of president trump. romney was named to the senate foreign relations committee yesterday, giving him an opening

to weigh in on several looming policy clashes between congress and the white house. he reportedly sought out the role. this of course follows the intense back and forth early this week between romney and president trump after the senator -elect blasted the president in an op-ed for "the washington post," which also stressed the importance of maintaining international allie allies. here is president trump responding. >> i wish he could be more of a team player. i'm surprised he did this quickly. i was excited something, but i'm surprised he did this quickly. i endorsed him, he thanked me very profusely. it was very nice. but i am surprised. because we've done a lot. he actually says, i read his op-ed. i will say this -- if he thought really hard against president obama like he does against me, he would have won the election. >> lisa: [laughs] and yesterday reporters would have caught up to romney on his way to the senate swearing in. >> i said in the utah paper is

that i would work of president in places where we agree, and where we disagree i would point that out. that's the great nature of this representative democracy. that's where we agree, where we come to give a period where we have this agreement, we expect sit openly and honestly. that elastic will have trust in one another. i look forward to be able to have a trusting relationship with the president and others despite differences from time to time. >> lisa: how much a thorn in the in the side will mitt romney be to president trump? >> congressman gaetz: he was going to be mr. utah fund for the utah families. before even taking the post, he's lambasting the president. he's not disagreeing out a bill of some matter of substance, he sang the president doesn't hold himself to the high-end of character. it's disappointing. >> lisa: why do you think he did that? >> congressman gaetz: i think he wants the attention. george romney wanted to be president, mitt i think probably

still want to be present pretty wanted to be to be secretary of state on the, he's on the foreign relations committee. >> lisa: he will be on the foreign relations committee. this has been a disagreement for the president and republicans. with the withdrawal from syria. how much of a challenge you think that will be for president trump, particularly with the foreign relations committee and some of those disagreements? >> congressman gaetz: you are right, they have a number of members disagreeing on ending with the wars. resident said he was going to end these wars if he was electe elected, and the constituents i serve are the highest concentration of active duty military. >> melissa: how far apart camera views really be close to market the president considered him for secretary of state, how divergent could their views possibly be? >> congressman gaetz: if the president curated a team of rivals, i don't think he picked them for his cabinet based on his rivalry. i think it was based on talent. that's why. >> lisa: really quick to you.

you got senator warren who shaves the same view of present trump on syria. why is she not criticize more on that when president trump was so much? >> leslie: first of all, she didn't write an op-ed while she was being sworn in. [laughs] mitt romney, i think -- he's going to do what's best for him. i don't think he wants to be senator of utah. i think he wants to be present. i don't think he's necessarily given that up. but you can believe him. he goes which way the wind blows. >> lisa: leslie, hold on one second. leslie, how much of the criticism -- the point i'm making is, how much of the criticism with president trump's because he is president trump versus the policy's quest to seems like -- >> leslie: with mitt romney, it's obvious if you read the op-ed. which i have. i agree with him. it's about the lack -- >> lisa: from the media, as well. and the left. president trump got a lot of heat from both sides on that decision. when you have democrats like elizabeth warren who share the

same opinion, which go unscathe unscathed. >> leslie: but she's not the president. >> lisa: but she's running. >> leslie: we think she is running. a candidate and the president are not going to get the same treatment to the press, whether it's positive or negative. period. >> lisa: ethic is because of present trump. morse between five and a minute.

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he stitching together a deal to give the president what he needs on border security. no embassy, no passive citizenship. temporary legal status for the dreamers. also, a gps fix. i'm impressed on what senator graham is working on. >> melissa: you heard it here first. i love it. we will be back at noon. here's harris. >> harris: fox news alert now come around to have democrats versus the president on border security. the partial government shutdown hits week two with no deal site sites. i'm harris faulkner. you're watching "outnumbered overtime." we are expecting fresh reaction after president trump called lawmakers back to the white house for a second meeting aimed at ending the shutdown. this is a day after the new speaker, nancy pelosi, was elected to hear the house democrats. it included a series of measures to be up in the government last night. without the $5 billion that the president wants for a border wall and security, he's vowed to veto it. meanwhile, the top are public an