shutdown. here is the opportunity for the president to layout his case. hopefully it will spur the other side to get serious. >> martha: thank you very much. that's the "story" on tuesday night. back here♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to tucker carlson "tuckn tonight." the president will address the nation a little over an hour from now. he will make the case for a protective war along our southern border. then he will broadly argue that our immigration problems are real. not a figment of our imagination. they are hurting the country badly. the president will fail that in a few minutes. he will not go unchallenged the news media and operatives. they are not waiting for 9:00 p.m. to do it. they are up early every day waiting for the same set of talking points. today's slogan is simple. don't believe your own eyes, none of this is real. everything is just fine. >> it is salut absolute fiction

that there is a national emergency here. >> showing this is not about a crisis. it's a political ploy. >> crisis, crisis. it's a crisis that doesn't exist. >> they're trying to create the notion that there is an emergency and something should be done immediately to prevent it. there is no emergency on the southern border. >> being from new jersey, i know national emergencies, you know, we have seen super storm sandy. we have seen 9/11. this is not a national emergency and certainly. >> this national emergency is completely made up. >> a wall is a collosal waste of money for a crisis that doesn't exist. >> even if he declares a national emergency, he's lying. even if he declares it, it will be a declaration of a falsehood. >> this whole idea of declaring a national emergency is ludicrous because there isn't one. >> tucker: so repeat after me, no national emergency. the crisis at the border is

fake. it's fraudulent. it's totally made up. think leprechauns or low-cal ice cream. something only kids and dumb people believe. in do you know what the border crisis is like like that imaginary caravan from honduras a few months ago the one that marched to tijuana with tv cameras in tow but didn't really exist. >> they are telling you that the existential threat to america is a bunch of poor refugees a thousand miles away. this group of folks? we don't even know where they are. they are way down there. >> they have been running on an imaginary caravan. >> this stupid [bleep] caravan. [laughter] you know, it's a lie that this caravan is a problem of that magnitude. >> programming on the caravan was propaganda. >> tucker: yep, caravan's fake, too. breathe easy, america, a lot of the problems you have been worried about don't need solutions because they are not real. that's what the media are telling us about illegal

immigration and a lot of other things and it's a relief. but it does leave at least one big question unanswered. if none of this is really happening, why does so many people think that it is? how are millions of americans experiencing the same hallucination at the same time? and the answer, of course is. it's allusion. americans are being tricked. tricked by that dastardly fox news and those demagogues in prime time who won't shut up despite being warned repeatedly by the authorities to be quiet if you know what's good for you. shadowy saboteurs played a role as well they always do. the "new york times" ran a piece the other day explaining that donald trump only supports a border wall because roger stone told him to. it was part of a political ploy. stone, meanwhile, now appears to be caught up in the russia investigation and that makes some sense if you think about it. donald trump's election and a wall on the mexican border. nobody in washington could imagine wanting either one of those things or for that matter imagining anyone else

in america wanting them. so there has to be a secret cabal pushing this crap. vladimir putin, roger stone, fox news, they are all in it together somehow. maybe robert mueller will get to the bottom of it. that's honestly how people in washington think. trust us, we live here. of course it's completely delusional, deminted actually. once you understand where these people are coming from, it's hard to blame them for constructing these fantasies. the next time you see some angry face on cnn shouting about this or that, remember, this person isn't arguing for change. this person is arguing for more of the same, arguing for a permanent extension of the way things are. they may claim they are mad about trump or the wall or whatever, name the topic, but those are just symptoms of the larger problem, the thing they fear most. and that is an assault on the status quo. they like the status quo. they are deeply vested in the status quo. this is the group that's become richer and happier

since the financial crisis of 2008. there aren't a lot of those people in america. most of them live in a handful of big cities. a lot of them seem to have cable television contracts somehow. and what this group fears most is that some idiot will come along, ask a bunch of uncomfortable questions and wreck what has turned out to be a very good deal for them low work, high paying jobs, cheap household help. leafy stable neighborhoods that look like it's 1965 and corrupt and insular system of higher education that's essentially closed to outsiders that can be relied upon to keep this whole scam going in perpetuity. what you are really looking at here is a self-satisfied aristocracies. all of those are the same. what they fear most is a challenge to the way things are. keep that in mind tonight as you watch their response. we don't need walls, they will tell you. and they are right. they don't. they already have their own. john summers is a former communication for harry reid and he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on.

>> you bet, tucker. >> tucker: they tell us there is no crisis at the border. how do they know that since nobody knows how many people are here illegally i see estimates from 11 to 22 million. that's a spread of 11 million people. we tonight really know how many people are here how can we say there is no crisis? >> and i think you raised a good point. there is a crisis. but that doesn't necessarily rise to the occasion of a national emergency. a national emergency is a very different thing. and that's not where we are. if you want to talk about national emergencies, you might talk about gun violence where we have 35,000 americans die each year because of that. that's not what we are seeing on the southern border. that doesn't mean we shouldn't address border security. and a wall can be part of it. we already know there are parts of a wall down there that were long before trump including on the border of california, right? we know that parts of a wall already exist. and if that needs to be an element of a more comprehensive border security plan, then i think that's good. i think one thing we often forget though is that the

majority of these people who are here illegally are here because of overstayed visas, not because they are pouring in through the southern border. >> tucker: hold on, wait. we make these generalizations i probably have, too. we don't have any idea. if there is a spread of 11 million in the credible estimates as to the number of how many there are, and what we are really saying is we don't know anything at all about. 10 million people who live within our borders, many of whom will using fake federal documents, fake social security numbers. that's a felony in every case. that's a felony. so, first first question, if i go to a bank and use a fake federal document fake social security number should i be charged with that or is that okay. >> i think you should definitely be charged. >> tucker: why aren't we charging the people who are doing it. >> that's not what we're talking about right now. that's not what the president is talking about. >> tucker: i'm not here to defend trump. i'm just here to state the obvious which this is a crisis. if you are saying that i should be charged with a felony for using a fake federal document, and, yet, we have evidence over

10 million people are doing that but they shouldn't be charged, how does that work, exactly? what message does that send to the rest of us. >> i don't know that people are saying that anyone who commits a felony shouldn't be charged. i don't know what you are getting at. have you heard a -- is there a single democrat you are aware of, we know that some massive number of people are using fake federal documents right now, fake social security numbers to work in this country. if i did that, you just agreed it's a felony and i should be charged. they are doing it and no one is even considering charging them. what we are looking at is a two tiered system where the illegal foreign citizens get to commit the crime but i don't as an american citizen and taxpayer. what messages do you think that sends to americans? >> well, again, everyone who commits a felony should be charged with that felony and they should be afforded due process. i don't know how a wall is going to be the one and only thing that's going to stop. >> i don't know anyone is saying it's the one and only thing. >> what can we do to prevent this issue of overstayed

advises. >> wound up every single person here illegally and i find out if they are committing the felony we are talking about now using a fake social security number. would you be for that you? just said i should be charged for doing it but you are not for charging them for doing it. i want you to explain that. >> if you are caught in the act of doing it, then, yeah you should be held accountable. >> tucker: hold on, wait a second. >> not going around and doing round up, no. you are talking about too long a round up. >> tucker: hold on, i asked you, should i be charged as an american citizen if i used a fake social security number and you said of course, it's a felony. buff now you are telling me that foreign nationals should not be charged. >> that's not at all. you said should we go out and round them all up. that's a very different thing. someone which he they're actually doing it. >> tucker: their presence in our job market is prime fascia evidence that they're committing that felony. yet, we are not doing anything about it because we don't care. we think it's okay. we are willing to offer them sanctuary in various cities not willing to offer american cities the same sanctuary. do you see where this is

corroding this country. >> everything you are talking about is exactly why we need to have more comprehensive immigration reform and not do this whole thing shutting down the government, damaging our economy, 800,000 people who aren't being paid for one wall which is nothing more than an ego project for the president. >> tucker: i get the talking points. i'm just saying. >> no, it's not a talking point. it's reality. >> tucker: when you describe what is actually happening right now in the country, does it sound more like a crisis. take trump and even the wall out of this, does it sound like a crisis to you? we have no idea who is here. 10 million people we don't know anything about them. after 9/11 we need to know who is here, right? i thought that was the lesson. we know they are here. some huge number. and they are committing felonies and nobody is doing anything about it but that's not a crisis because, why? >> i think it is one of many crises that we face in this country that absolutely should be addressed. republicans and democrats should work together in order to do that. buff, it starts with the president. the president has got to be willing to work on the total comprehensive immigration reform package not just one element of it.

>> tucker: can you name one democrat running for president right now who sees this as a crisis who is upset about it who think this is corroding the bargain that the government has with its citizens which is, you know, follow the law and we will all kind of get along? >> every democrat i know. >> tucker: sees this as a crisis? >> every democrat i know believes we need to have strong, secure borders that we need immigration reform that's tough on people who break the law, that's fair to taxpayers and that's practical. >> tucker: can you name one who thinks that we should prosecute illegal aliens for using fake federal documents? >> i don't know of any one of them. [laughter] >> tucker: ah-ha, right. all the soothing language. it's like no one even thinks about it. what does that mean? all these people living here we have no freaking idea who they are and how they got here and what they are doing. by definition we don't know and that's totally cool. >> i don't think anyone is saying that's totally cool. all those clips that you just ran, none of them said oh, there is nothing going on. there is not a crisis. it doesn't rise to the level

of national. >> tucker: like angry rich people from d.c. fake crisis. john, great to see you. >> you too. >> tucker: thank you. the middle class is fleeing the states of new york and california. that is a crisis. leaders of those states don't see it that way. we will tell you what they are doing in response. plus, waiting on the president's address to the nation. that's coming up at the bottom of this hour. stay tuned. ♪ ♪ tough choices. jim! you're in! but when you have high blood pressure and need cold medicine that works fast, the choice is simple. coricidin hbp is the #1 brand that gives powerful cold symptom relief without raising your blood pressure. coricidin hbp.

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illinois were beacons of opportunity in america. odds are you may have grown up precisely because they were that now those three states are failing and doing so very rapid pace. in 2017, new york, california, and illinois were the fast, second and third in losing residents to other states. new york leads. new york lost 180,000 people to other places. california lost 156 people total. that number may be misleading because of the inflow. we're not exactly sure. lost a ton though. illinois lost 114,000 people. they are the only states to lose more than 100,000 of their own population. now, why is that happening? well, you know the answer. all three of those places have become really hostile to normal people, to the american middle class. there are now places for the very poor and the very rich with very little in between. they have a recognizable economic structure looks like venezuela 2010. do they have plans to change that though? no. they don't. instead, their plan is to further tax the middle class

to provide benefits to illegal aliens from other countries. in the state of california, the new governor, good afternoon newsom says he will fight hard to uphold the state's sanctuary law. watch. this let us build a house stronger than the coming storms yet, open to the world. a house that provides shelter to all who need it, and sanctuary to all who seek it. we will not have one house for the rich and one for the poor. or one for the native born and one for the rest. we will build one house for one california. >> tucker: the emptiest suit in politics. sanctuary for although all the world. welcome to california at taxpayer expense. meanwhile in new york bill de blasio is offering free healthcare for illegals. watch this. >> it's going to be for the first time a guarantee of healthcare. we are going to guarantee healthcare for new yorkers who need it. we also have a way to provide direct healthcare to a lot of our neighbors who

happen to be undocumented. they are still part of our community. they need healthcare. their families need healthcare. >> tucker: dave reuben grew up in new york lives now in california. he has a vested interest in these stories. he has been watching carefully. he hosts the reuben report on youtube and joins us tonight. dave, it seems like there is a recognizable pattern here. what is that pattern? >> >> first off, i don't know how i became a remotely sensible person growing in california and new york now: i want to get that gavin newman quote right. how many poor people do you think live in his house? i'm guessing zero. >> tucker: right around zero. >> roughly zero. i don't want to pin him down too hard right now. look, this is this endless hypocrisy. i want to be very clear on the immigration front. i am for legal immigration. we are a nation of

immigrants. migrate grandparents on both sides came here as immigrants. i'm sure your family came here as immigrants. as a matter of fact i know that they did. almost everyone in the united states came here as an immigrant unless you are native american or your family was brought here as slaves and that's a separate issue. we are a nation of immigrants. but, the idea that if you come here illegally you should be getting more from the state so the state should take from some who produce and give to others who are here illegally in the first place to, thus, well, force, yeah, it's to force them to stay further illegally. this is a major problem. and what this really comes down to what is so consistent with everything that's happening on the left and progressive. we say things that sound nice. it sounds nice. we are going to give everyone health insurance. have sanctuary cities. sounds really nice. these are not things that are good for a society that truly wants to be free that wants you to keep what you

earn allows you to see fit. disaster if we are incentivizing people to do illegal things. this is pretty basic stuff and yet, it's become somehow controversial to say any of. this why does no one ever raise the alarm over the -- more than 100,000 american citizens fleeing these states every year and the close to 100,000 american citizens living on the streets as homeless people right now. you never hear anything about that. you never do hear anything about it i have been on tour 08 cities in the united states all over the country. did a joke how much how great i thought the city was and economy is great. i'm considering moving to denver. and after the show people are coming up to me and saying please don't say that. we don't want more people

from california here. that just tells you. they are sort of joking to me. but what they're saying is people are leaving california. if you are being taxed to the nth degree in california. they are getting out of california and they are moving to denver. they are moving elsewhere. again, can i tell you through doing this tour. >> tucker: totally right. >> san francisco, when i went to berkeley, when i went to portland, seattle, there are drugs, there are homeless people everywhere. there are in san francisco this is not a joke. there is actually an app. to tell what you streets to watch out for human poop on this. is not a joke. people can check this out. >> tucker: it's not a joke. >> go to a conservative city and pretty well run. >> tucker: boise and jackson are fine. thank you very much. great to see you. >> you got it, tucker. >> tucker: a democratic polster worked with clinton and bloomberg. brand new democrats tonight thank you very much for coming on. >> thanks for having me, tucker. >> tucker: so, i'm a little bit confused about this proposal from mayor de blasio. he is saying that everybody

who is currently in the city qualifies. government subsidized healthcare, is there a limit on how long you have been there? can i just come from any country in the world, land at jfk and claim residency and get free stuff? is there a threshold for how much you have contributed to the system or just literally everyone? >> look, i think -- let me break it down for you. i think actually this is very effective efficient conservative approach to delivering healthcare. the truth is undocumented immigrant and those who can't afford healthcare already get free healthcare now. they go to the cities in emergency room departments very inefficient way to deliver healthcare. go for colds and flu and any number of things. they can't really get mental health treatment. they can't get basic services so they go to the emergency room. delivering preventative healthcare through the emergency room is terribly insufficient way to do it and drain on taxpayer money. this is looking at a way to manage healthcare better and give. >> tucker: i'm very familiar with the talking points. but can i. >> it's not talking points it's true.

>> tucker: of course it's a talking points. liberal push to universal access to emergency room care. when that turns out to be a disaster. look we have to give it to everybody because our first proposal didn't work. and you know that is true. let me just ask you, is there a limit. why wouldn't this be an eninducement for the world to land at jfk, claim asylum and all of a sudden get the fruits of the most prosperous society in the history of the world? i'm truly asking you. >> that's a good question, tucker. the fact is everybody already wants to come to new york. it's a very expensive place to live. beacon of the entire world. that's why they are america's largest city. people come here from all over the world and try to make it. you can make it anywhere. what de blasio is saying if you are here. you don't have money whether undocumented immigrant or happen to be a citizen that doesn't have money, you deserve healthcare. >> tucker: hold on, so if i land from country x the next day, am i eligible for this? am i eligible for a

government subsidized clone scope or health screening you? yoscreening. >> you would have to ask the governor. at the end of the day if you don't want undocumented immigrants walking around your city i understand people don't like that. would you rather have them walking around your city healthy or sick. mental health issues that could explode into violence. which makes more sense? >> tucker: there are other people in new york city. a city of 8 million. your middle class is fleeing as you know. the numbers prove it? >> they are not fleeing. >> tucker: they are actually. one of three states -- >> -- the new york city population is very stable. >> tucker: no. the city's population of middle class residents making from 30 to 70 is shrinking. if you tonight know that you are not paying attention because it's true. what about them? they are paying for a lot of this stuff. you crowd up their hospitals. you make it harder for them to get services. does anyone care about them. >> that's exactly what the point is we are trying to reduce the strain on the emergency room giving them access to healthcare that can't afford it but can do

so but on a sliding scale. if you go to an emergency room and have money you shouldn't have to wait hours and hours and hours because people are just flooding the hospital unnecessarily. that's why we give healthcare to people that can get basic preventative care that has been shown to reduce emergency room visits that are unnecessary. >> tucker: here are the numbers and i will just end with this. i want to see if you can keep a straight face. here is what de blasio is saying this will cost. it costs $100 million and cover 600,000 people. we actually have a calculator on our iphone and we found that would amount to $166 per person per year. you think that you can offer government subsidized healthcare to the indigent and will cost you $166 per year? >> i will tell you two things. factoring in the fact that many of those people already getting healthcare through emergency departments so they will not be covered there those savings will go into the program. $100 million i i was surprised about that too. i think it's going to cost a lot more. >> tucker: why lie about

that. a colonoscopy costs $1,000. >> it's a basic human right. >> tucker: who is paying for this? basic human right to provide to people from other countries? provide free healthcare to anybody in the world? last question. how many people do you think will live in new york in 20 years? do you plan to live in new york -- >> i will live in new york. god willing i will live in new york until the day i die. i suspect the population will be 10.2 million. i will be on with you in 2029. >> tucker: i'm routing for new york but it's clearly falling apart. thank you very much. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: good luck there. >> thank you. >> tucker: a top democratic voter is facing serious questions after a second dead body was found in his home. it's a totally bizarre, it's a grotesque story actually. we will bring it to you after the break. plus the president speaking to the nation at the bottom of the hour about the border. we will have his address right here.

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>> tucker: sources tell fox news that scott israel suspects to be suspended by florida's new governor ron desantis, the most deserved demotion in history. this is over his handling of the parkland school shooting. after the shooting himself nikolas cruz israel appears to be the one most responsible for the deaths in that massacre. recent report found deputies were poorly trained. had malfunctioning radios and took cover, shamefully

rather than confronting the shooter and that possibly cost multiple children their lives. israel, of course, halls vowed to you fight back against any effort to suspend him or punish him. we'll continue to follow this story. well, a wealthy democratic donor, big-time democratic donor in california is caught up in a bizarre scandal tonight. the scandal involves sex, drugs and two mysterious deaths. trace gallagher is in los angeles with more details on that. trace? >> tucker, authorities arrived at edward buck's west hollywood home just after 1:00 monday morning where they found an unidentified black male had died. the cause of death is under investigation. drugs are a strong possibility. in fact, edward buck's attorney was quick to say his client was not doing drugs. watch. >> this is not a situation where mr. buck has caused the death. this is situation where mr. buck has had long-time friends who unfortunately do not handle their life well.

>> in fact, just 18 months ago another friend also overdosed inside buck's home. the death of 26-year-old jamel moore, a black male escort was ruled accidental despite journal entries by moore saying, quote: i have become addicted to drugs and the worst one at that and buck is the one to thank. he gave me my first injection of crystal meth. it was very painful, but, after all the troubles, i became addicted. and in a final entry he wrote, quote: if it didn't hurt so bad i would kill myself but i will let ed buck do it for now. still investigators could find no proof that edward buck provided gemmel moore with methamphetamines. now the man who donated more than half a million dollars to democratic causes and candidates and well known lbgt political circle figure is watching as protests erupt at his home. watch. [chanting] arrest him now. arrest him now.

arrest him now. arrest him now. >> the protesters contend if two white men were found dead in a black man's apartment, the response would be very different. tucker? >> tucker: trace gallagher, thanks for that report. keep in mind prosecutors said there was no evidence he supplied the drugs. of course, the dead man's journal said that one of hillary clinton's friends. well, a new study claims that traditional masculinity is inherently harmful. how will that message help failing american. deacon instructed after the break. president trump moments away from delivering an address on the southern border wall. we will have it for you just ahead. after walking six miles at an amusement park,

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♪ >> tucker: well, american men are in deep trouble. the numbers show that very clearly. what's causing this? well, according to the american psychological association, the problem with men is their maleness. newly issued guidelines argue traditional masculinity is harmful and psychologists should somehow undermine it summers a resident scholar at the american enterprise institute. new host of podcast and she joins us tonight. thank you very much for coming on. >> great to be here. >> tucker: i imagine a study that found that inherently infilm at this is poisonous and women and gay people should suppress the way they feel they naturally are for the sake of their mental health. how would that go over, do you think? >> not well. and this is shocking because it was published by the american psychological association. it's the largest sort of scientific professional organization of psychologists 120,000

members, something like that. and it is just inundated with jargon about male privilege and hegemonic masculinity and it's ridiculous. it's a politicized doctrine. and just think if you had a depressed son or father and needed psychiatric help, psychological help, and you would have to worry that the psychologist was enthralled to this dogma. >> tucker: i wonder if this dogma isn't causing depression actually since its everywhere? what would happen if you told girls the qualities that make you feel female are poison and you must suppress them. what would that do for their mental health? >> nothing good. basically, we are treating masculinity as a pathology in need of a cure well, not we, the american psychological association. >> tucker: right. >> it's as if the average male needs to be reengineered or resocialized

according to specifications from, i don't know, a gender studies textbook from the 1970s. it's outdated. you wouldn't know that biology played a role in masculinity. it just asserts dogmatically that it's a social construction and because it was socially built let's rebuild it according to the likes of these agenda driven researchers. >> tucker: only crazy people believe that because it ignores biological reality. i wonder why this report doesn't address the real drop in testosterone levels over the past 30 years. does that play role in male dysfunction? >> no one understands. what's sad, too. if you read the report very deep inside, there is actually some good advice. >> tucker: i'm sure. >> they recommend that psychologists when you are treating a young man, typical, doesn't want to sit and look at you and talk about his feelings. there have to be other approaches and they recommend shorter session

and maybe go play basketball or something. so they do make concessions to conventional masculinity while deploring it and denying it you would never know that men or maleness was ever synonymous with anything good reading this report. >> tucker: should it make us nervous that politics is so clearly intruding into science? >> definitely. and as i said, you would have to find out what a psychologist' politics were what they thought about this report before you would want to -- send a young man or your husband. it's really appalling. >> tucker: we are entering the dark ages. it's sad. you are a light in the middle of the dark ages. christina hough somers, grate so see you as always. democrats want something called a green new deal you hear the phrase. what exactly is that? we'll tell you after the break. plus, we will ask what is the truth about the danger of terrorists crossing the southern border? a lot of propaganda on this. we will try to get to what's actually happening. the president speaking at the border in a few minutes.

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♪ ♪ >> tucker: well, since being elected to. congregation: woman alexandria ocasio-cortez has been tout whalg she calls a new deal. not a new deal like f.d.r.'s new deal but what she calls a green new deal something focused on the environment. what is it exactly? we are not totally sure. but what we can tell a lot of it does not relate to the environment. it includes single pair

healthcare and basic income programs. the plan would drastically raise your electric bill by replacing fossil bills with wind and solar less efficient and funnel money to labor unions and left leaning industries and dramatically increase the deficit. would it help global warming? ♪ really according to scientists. what is the point of this. an executive editor and fellow at the hart land institute he joins us tonight. thanks so much for coming on. give us the quick overview of what we know so far about this green new deal. >> right. well, i have been saying this now for two months. this is the most radical, dangerous policy proposal offered in modern history. certainly by a sitting congressman. not only would it eliminate hundreds of thousands of jobs. maybe even millions of jobs related to the fossil fuel industry but it would also require upgrading every single home and business in the entire country. we're talking about more than 130 million buildings being upgraded by the

federal government. whatever the heck upgrading means. it would create universal basic income program costing trillions of dollars, single pair healthcare which the center says would cost $32 trillion over the first 10 years. all kinds of crazy stuff. new whole system of new publicly financed publicly owned banks to pay for all of this running up the national debt by tens of trals of dollars this is crazy stuff. this is socialism. >> tucker: can we get back to the first part is a little bit strange because for generations we have heard politicians on both sides say we need t wean ourselves from oil. the largest producer of oil and gas in the world, this would eliminate the oil and gas industries overnight or am i overstating that? >> it would eliminate the oil and gas industries in a 10-year period from 2020 to 2030. yeah, every single job in the oil and gas industry. every fracking job, all of

them would go away. all to accomplish this pie in the sky goal of eliminating climate change in 80 years. >> but would it eliminate climate change is a global phenomenon. would it force china to go solar, too? >> no, absolutely not. that's the dirty secret of this plan, it actually would do nothing to reduce global co 2 emissions because over the course of the next 20 or 30 years, china and india, which are producing increasingly more co 2 emissions, they are going to outpace us. anything that we do is going to make absolutely no difference in the long run. this is all about socialism, not saving polar bears. that's really what this is about. >> tucker: you are not selling me on this, justin. i don't see a clear upside. maybe can you come back and take a shot at it but for now i can't say i'm for this. thank you very much. >> thanks. >> tucker: two years ago hillary clinton ran for president. not a very likeable candidate. i think that's fair to say. even she would likely say

that. that's one of the reasons why she lost. now, in 2019, some pundits worry that elizabeth warren isn't very likeable either many candidates have been called unlikeable. many of them are unlikeable. when that label is applied to female democrats it is sexist acourtedding to many including hillary clinton. >> there has been a lot of talk recently about whether our country is ready for women leaders. lafayette. now that really takes me back. but. [laughter] today, i want to thank all of you for your persistence. i know many of you and can attest as to how smart determined, effective and dare i say likeable you all are. >> tucker: tammy bruce is a radio host and independent women's voice and joins us tonight. great to see you. >> thank you. >> tucker: this is baffling to me.

i say this as someone who has been called unlikeable countless times over 20 years. it doesn't seem like a sex-specific criticism. again i'm saying this as unlikeable person. >> it's not. there have been a number of male candidates, male politicians who have been called unlikeable. you know, john edwards is one of them i will call mitt romney unlikeable until the calls come home. there is a lot of people unlikeable because they are unlikeable. the woman who wants to see more women in leadership the more kiwi cast women. the puts us in framework of the democrats wanting to make it inappropriate to criticize women politicians for any reason. and, you know, infants don't become presidents, right? we have got to engage with the arena. we know things are going to be said. if you can't handle how you're described then you are not going to be able to run the free world. the other problem here is that they are suggesting that women either really

can't handle it or they can't push back on the merits of the issue. and that's the other problem. so, what they're doing is, in fact, sexist by arguing that women either can't be called a name and sometimes it's unpleasant. none of us like it certainly, especially if you are unlikeable. >> tucker: it hurts most under those circumstances. >> it hurts most then. but the fact is, look, i mean, if women are going to really compete, they are going to have to compete at the level of everyone else. and i know that women can do that and i take unbridge and i think most women who really understand how to take control of their own lice we know we can handle everything that comes our way and it's very disappointing to hear the new narrative being that you can't say anything wrong about a woman or, in fact, judge her like we judge men all the time. >> tucker: you can be tough and likeable and you are living proof of that tammy bruce. thanks a lot for coming on. >> thank you, tucker.

>> tucker: got a fox news alert for you minutes away now from the president's address to the nation on the border wall. what can we expect him to say? fox correspondent david is here to take us through it. >> hey, tucker. just a few minutes away. the big question is will president trump declare a national emergency? something we have been hearing from the last week or. so we said in the news conference he would consider it if he does declare a national emergency, can he move ahead from the wall without congressional approval. democrats have hinted at court battle if president trump decides to do it. the "wall street journal" reported just a few hours ago it's unlikely the president will declare a national emergency and still hopes to strike a deal with democrats on capitol hill. we have learned the crux of the speech in just a few minutes will focus on the urgency for building that wall on the border while explaining to americans why trump view us the border situation as a crisis. this is the president's first speech to the nation from the oval office. and no question, tucker, that does hold a certain weight to it. white house communications team expects the speech to last between 7 and 9

minutes. our own bret baier and other network anchors met with the president today for lunch to learn more about the speech. though no one has seen it word for word outside of the white house team. the president is unplaintiff'unpredictable. we have to see what he says at the top of the hour. following the speech nancy pelosi and minority leader chuck schumer will deliver a rebuttable. three weeks from tonight is the state of the union. can you see this as a second state of the union in the month of january with a rebuttal from the democratic side and a message from the president to the nation. >> tucker: thank you for that. >> a few weeks away. >> tucker: i'm watching. i will sit right here and watch him. good to see you. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: nbc news recently reported that only six suspected terrorists were caught trying to cross the u.s. mexico border. is that a reassuring number? what does it mean even? we called tim fitton, president of judicial watch. should i feel better that only six suspected terrorists are caught trying

to cross the border? >> what is the context here? >> trying to shoot down the reason for border wall which is a national security reason and trump administration has highlighted the national security threat and they said well, only six suspected terrorists that we have known about which were on our terrorist watch list were confronted at the border were corn fronted at the border. that doesn't tell the full story. first of all only 19 terrorists were involved in 9/11. it doesn't take a lot of terrorists to have a significant impact. >> tucker: isn't the point that we don't know who is coming across illegally? >> that's right. >> there were 3,000 special interest aliens confronted at the border last year. these aren't special interest aliens we are interested in because of their hobbies. it's because we think they have a national security impact on us. and there may be a terrorist link. these numbers are pretty astonishing when you look at the massive numbers of terrorists or people that we suspect to be terrorists trying to infiltrate our southern border.

he may not declare a national emergency but it is a national emergency when we have thousand plus miles of unsecured border in our southern area without any ability to know who is coming across. we know terrorists are targeting our southern border. just last month we deported a guy who was based out of brazil who was smuggling terrorists into the united states. this is a serious issue and it's shameful that the political class here in town because they don't like trump don't want to address this issue that places our national security at risk. >> tucker: used to be a pretty clear distinction between news anchors and democratic party flacks. and i don't see any difference now at all. >> it's all anti-trump advocacy, if the national security takes second fiddle to that so be it. >> tucker: is it t. doesn't even bother me. lying about policy that is wrong. they shouldn't do that it's not journalism. tom fitton, great to see you. thank you. >> you are welcome. >> tucker: what is about to

happen tonight? what's the point politically? what's the game plan for democrats? will there be a national security or not. should there be. dana perino hosts "the daily briefing" with dana perino. you know who she is. most popular person on the channel joins us tonight. >> likeable. >> tucker: likeable. [laughter] love that i was going to say it drew in your case. >> not always. what is the political dynamic here that the rest of us are not catching? >> well, i think that because you see all of this lead up to the speech, it's a clue that something is happening that this is a big deal this is the biggest tool on the president's toolbox when it comes to communications. it's also a very isolating moment for the president. okay. so when you go into the oval office to give andreas, you are the commander-in-chief, there's a lot of symbolism and you are speaking with all the gravity and the enormous consequences of your words. it carries so much weight. and you are there alone. behind the resolute desk.

resolute for a reason reason, right? this is where do you this speech. no one behind you you and the teleprompter and you and america. president trump does a good job with that kind of communication is he very used to it not the same thing as giving a speech at a rally or even giving a speech where have you people that you can look at and can you get the feedback i have heard presidents don't like to do these oval office addresses so much because you can't get a sense of how it is going. tonight will only be 8 minutes long so the president has his chance, i think what he will try to do is to say look, i realize there are people going to disagree with me. let me take a few minutes to explain to you as the person who is in charge of keeping this country safe. let me explain to you the gravity of the situation on our southern border. let me try to appeal to your bipartisan agreement on national security and let's see if we can find a common sense solution. >> tucker: do you think there is practically speaking the chance for some

kind of deal between the two sides? it is exceedingly difficult at this point. looking at some polling earlier about this question of do you support president trump on the wall? and 54% of the american people said no from december 2016 through december 2018. and we have had all this discussion about it. so the needle doesn't move. where does the needle move? when you talk about border security when you talk about all the different tools that you could use. wall structures or whatever slatted steel and some concrete, whatever, you realize that in some places that's where you need it. but, when he talks about border security at large with all the different tools, that's where he is on more solid ground. the democrats, i think, are actually quite vulnerable on that point if he can get the media to focus on it. >> tucker: right. >> they voted on it in the past. why won't they vote for it. >> now the border patrol saying they need it to keep the country safe. let's try to get together

and invite those democratic leaders to the white house on wednesday. so it will be fresh off the speech and then we will take we will know. >> tucker: i wonder if the other argument works overtime? i think there are protesters in front of the white house right now with a sign saying -- there it is right there. it's a fake crisis. other channels are putting drivers in scare quotes. a lot of people work on the border. federal agents as you just noted think there are is a crisis and huge unknown number of people here illegally that suggests a crisis. what do you get out of pretending that everything is fine, nothing is wrong and you are a bigot if you think otherwise? does that work? >> well, you know, i don't think it necessarily works with that small group that is still persuadable. the republicans are in president trump's camp. the democrats are in nancy pelosi's camp, there is a very small number of americans who are still persuadable. that's why this kind of a moment a first oval office address for a president.

can you really rise to the occasion and in a situation like this and try to move forward. you will see tomorrow a little bit as the democrats feel like maybe they should tom to the table with something from the president when he talks about common sense solutions and bipartisan agreement on national security those are things everyone should be able to agree on. >> tucker: that's very interesting. do you think the president can move off of his pretty bottom line promise no wall, no deal? >> i have always felt that the president actually doesn't get enough credit from his base for all the things he has done so far. for example, you now have people that are seeking asylum having to wait that out in mexico. that was a deal that the department of homeland security, secretary nielsen was able to get done didn't get enough attention. there is a lot of things that the president has done to move forward. i think he should get more credit from that from his base. but if they have decided that it must be a physical structure, a wall then he has a pretty tough job to do. >> tucker: yeah.

he has been pretty clear about it, too. dana perino, thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: great to see you. we will find out what the president has to say in about eight seconds from now. we will be back tomorrow night 8:00 p.m. the show that's the palms to citigroup think. the president speaks in a moment. hannity right now. >> sean: i can hear the cold. what you need allegra d and antibiotic. and rick coalla. i can hear it. i had it for a month. sean hannity. moments away the president from the united states oval office prime time address about the crisis on our southern border. to get us started we are now joined by fox news chief political anchor, of course "special report" bret baier is with us. bret, we know how the president feels. there has been little negotiation. a lot at stake tonight. >> bret: a lot the a stake, sean, this is the president's first oval office address and with this venue comes a great deal of gravitas. you have think about the big moments in u.s. history. the big speeches deliv