that. are you going to tell them it is a manufactured crisis, tomorrow night to an end as we will be joined by secretary nielsen. let not your heart be troubled, the news continues news continues. >> laura: hannity, i like it when you are here on the big news night because then you can just walk through the law like a superhero. you just walk right through and you sit down. you know, come on. >> sean: how can they say it is manufactured? how do you say that to the 5-year-old son of the officer in california. how do you say that to the mother and father of the wonderful people who lost their 22-year-old son in knoxville, tennessee? how do you tell them this is a manufactured crisis, or the many deaths from heroin overdoses in this country? >> laura: hannity, you're absolutely right. we are covering every angle of this tonight. we learn a lot about the democrats' priorities after

tonight's so-called rebuttal. we will get into all of that tonight. all right, i am laura ingraham. this is "the ingraham angle." another busy watching tonight. the president making his case in the oval office for border security and that while on this very historic night. >> america proudly welcomes millions of lawful immigrants who enrich our society, they contribute to our nation. but all americans are hurt by uncontrolled illegal migration. my administration has presented congress with a detailed proposal to stop the criminal gangs, drug smugglers, and human smugglers. weapons, illegal contraband, and many other things. we have requested more agents, immigration judges to process the sharp rise is on on unlawfl

migration, law enforcement professionals have requested $5.7 billion for a physical barrier. at the request of democrats, it will be a steel barrier rather than a concrete wall. senator chuck schumer, who you will be hearing from later tonight, has repeatedly supported a physical barrier in the past, along with many other democrats. they changed their mind only after i was elected president. the federal government remained shut down for one reason, and one reason only: because democrats will not fund border security. this is a choice between right and wrong. justice and injustice. this is about whether we fulfill our sacred duty to the american citizens we serve. when i took the oath of office, i swore to protect our country.

and that is what i will always do. so help me god. >> laura: we are going to explore some critical questions tonight. it did the president make his case adequately to you, the american people? the democrats offered a rebuttal that was coherent and persuasive? or are they more about scoring political points? then keeping their constituents safe, the american people. and what about the folks in the front lines of combating illegal immigration have to say about all this back-and-forth going on in washington? we are going to get all of that. we have an unbelievable series of panels tonight, plus some important cultural and free-speech debates you are not going to want to miss. but first, who are the real shut down opportunists? that is the focus of tonight's "angle." all right, however he received the president's address tonight, one thing should not be missed.

the president scored a major media coup. what am i talking about? he got all the major networks to carry his address, galvanizing the attention of the entire country, and he accomplished something else. he got two of the least popular politicians in the nation to respond to him on his terms. >> he wants to raise the stakes and make the democrats of the co-owners of those shut down and i think nancy pelosi and chuck schumer are walking right into the trap. he brings everyone an end this is the trap. that is not a way to get to rational ending. >> laura: okay, but this is rational? >> the president is rejecting these bipartisan bills which would reopen government over forcing american taxpayers to waste billions of dollars on an expensive and ineffective wall. >> we are not governed by temper

tantrums. president trump has succumbed to fear, not facts. a division, not unity. there is an obvious solution: separate the shutdown from arguments over border security. >> laura: okay, now, the contrast should be glaring for anyone who watched tonight. the president was really sober tonight, he was really serious. he genuinely believes that a wall is needed as part of a larger border security policy. that is what he won the campaign on. democrats do not give a damn about securing the border. for them, it is all about securing clinical points and of course about 2020. >> we have always been willing to talk to the president about border security, and many of us have supported some pretty massive investments in border security in the past. but we can't do that while the government's shutdown. we need to open up government and then negotiate, not the other way around. >> we believe in secure borders but we want the government open. >> once the government is open i

would support looking at a broader compromise on immigration. >> laura: all right, don't believe anything they are telling you there, not even for a millisecond. the democrats are targeting the 800,000 government workers on furlough, they are targeting them. what do i mean? they refused to move towards a common sense compromise with the president. remember, a year ago they were willing to give him a $25 billion for a wall, but schumer ultimately pulled that off the table. but they were willing to do that. now today they can't even come up with a measly $5 billion question might think of all the waste, fraud, and abuse in this town that they could trim a way to get that $5 billion. we will talk about that in a bit. the president hasn't shown a willingness to compromise, you heard it tonight. funding request this week, the president asked for items that are also important to democrats, he alluded to this

tonight. of course, $800 million for humanitarian aid at the border, and that includes medical support and additional facilities to house migrants, which frankly a lot of americans would think better spent on inner-city youth and veterans, but nevertheless the president is willing to go there. of the president is also requesting $605 million for new technology to detect and stop the flow of illegal drugs over the border. it democrats have long said they wanted that! but democrats don't want to have an honest conversation about border security. they are now the party of obstruction, and everything must bend to their resist-trump goals. "the hill" reports of their latest strategy is to jam up of the senate by refusing to consider any legislation until the government is reopened. >> this cannot be business as usual. we have shut down a quarter of the government and just leave it shut down. it's an incompetent strategy.

>> laura: just to give you a sense of how dogmatic and rabid and how fanatical this resistance to trump has become, look no further than the democrats who voted against considering a bill to support israel earlier today. what? so, we are not going to support or oppose boycotts against israel because trump wants to do a deal on the border wall? how is that governing in a mature way? i'm sure the new anti-semitic wing of the democratic party was thrilled about this development in the senate, but most americans are not. again, don't focus on what they say. it sounds fine and reasonable. watch what they do. the democrats want the shutdown to go on as long as possible to divide as many republicans from the president as they can. they want to peel one off after another and then they want to ramp it up for political pressure. our safety and security, forget

that. if they wanted the government reopened, the democrats could negotiate with the government and reopen the government tomorrow. he has already compromised on the structure of the wall, and he dropped his asking price as we know it way down and while the democrats feign concern over spending a few billion dollars on the portable, $5.7 billion, the coastal wonder twins of their party, governor newsom of california and new york have all kinds of money. they have pots of money for the health care of illegal immigrants. >> we will never waver in our pursuit of guaranteed health care for all californians. >> health care is a human right. in this city, we are going to make that a reality. in the city, we are taking that ideal and putting it into practice. from this moment on a new york city, everyone is guaranteed the right to health care. >> laura: well, they have no problem finding all that money

falling from the sky to spend on the well-being and health of illegal aliens. my friends, like everything else, this is all about politics for the democrats. pretty much every demographic group in the country right now is better off than they were just a few years ago. think about that. but the democrats, they don't have an answer to that. it's not like they're going to go out and argue, okay, we will offer these three policies and raise your standard of living to a higher level than president trump has been able to do. no, they gave up on that. all they have to run on is this shut down and their opposition to the wall. oh, sorry, and trump is a racist. that's all they have. for an added bonus, they actually believe that this stalemate for the shutdown furnishes them with another political weapon two, guess what? further the real nirvana for americans that this is really going to help your life get better, the impeachment agenda.

yeah, to trump's threat to declare a national emergency, which never happened, in building the wall itself could hasten the democrats' ultimate desired end. end. >> this kind of abuse of power may also open up other measures for congress, because this in fact could hit the tripwire of abuse of power, which is also one of those things that could lead to a presidential impeachment. >> laura: [laughs] i heard that this morning, i was like, wow, you are really spitting it out. while the democrats are straining to squeeze the last bit of political juice from the shutdown, the president is doing the right thing. he is focused on the security and the sovereignty of the american people. and their prosperity. that's good policy, but in time it is also going to prove to be good politics as well. mark my words. and that is "the angle." joining us now to react, and

all-star panel, chairman of the american conservative union, chief political correspondent for "the "washington examiner"." and chris hahn, former aide to senator chuck schumer and victor david hanson, a senior fellow at the hoover institute. matt, let's start with you. did the president do what he had to do to convince the american people to not? >> this was a very basic, clear message. it did not need to be long, he had all the major points, he talked about the true victims of illegal immigration, and this is checkers not chess. everyone in the press isn't goading him, he had to put it all out there tonight. he is going to take this out over several steps. it is no longer about just the funding bill, it is about what the president will do with his executive power. >> laura: the democrats tonight and all the other cable responses by chuck and nancy basically, it's like, it's not a real crisis. this is a manufactured crisis. i hit this on "the angle" last night. i was ahead of the curve on that

one. but, the 45 year low at the border, then why is it a crisis? that's the democrats' point. >> they don't point out that it is not year one, it is when we have everywhere from 11 million people here illegally. we are the most generous party in the world in terms of illegal immigrants. 15% of the population, the greatest we have ever seen. so 400,000 may not seem as great as it used to be, a million, but is still a high number given what we used to have. trump was very wise not to fall into that immigration drop that reagan fell into over a third of a century ago when he gave up amnesty and he gave up border security on a promise that he would get a wall or some security and he never got it and illegal immigration skyrocketed. the problem is not that the democrats are worried the ball doesn't work. historically, we know it does work. it works in eastern europe. i have a wall i built myself, it

works. it stopped entry into my home. but the problem is it works too well. believe me, if electronic surveillance and drones work better than a wall then the democrats would say that they are technologically cruel or racist or inadequate -- >> laura: they are saying it now. right. >> all wall works, and they know that. >> laura: it you agree that the democrats want to shut down. i am making a counterpoint, the democrats want a shutdown to go on. they have made a political calculation that the shutdown is good for them. it's good for them! they want it to continue! if they wanted to end the shutdown they could end this shutdown tomorrow. they could move a little bit towards president trump. they haven't moved 1 millimeter, and in the last two weeks. they couldn't even lend high-level people to meet with the vice president of the united states. he was talking to these people

tonight, they disrespected him, didn't even meet with him with high-level people. that shows me they want this shutdown to go on as long as possible. >> why bother meeting with the vice president? the vice president offer them a deal in december, the senate voted unanimously for that deal, and then the president changed his mind, so why would anybody meet with the vice president? it's a complete waste of time. you've got to meet with the president, which they will do tomorrow, and they will open the government of the president allows a continued resolution in the senate, and then they agreed to talk about border security. that doesn't necessarily have to be a wall, from what i heard tonight, but the president's speech tonight indicates that the president knows he is losing and that the senate republicans are trying to get out there and rally the troops. the same message he had during the campaign, he had the same message, it didn't work then and quite frankly, if he wanted $5.6 billion he already appropriate, he hasn't spent it

yet. >> laura: what i don't understand is, why do all these democrats, including pelosi around her beautiful napa vineyard, why did they all have barriers? why don't they leave the front door open every night and let whoever wants to come and hang out for as long as they want? live there, take the food, maybe some medicine. this is just such a canard, they know a wall works. >> there is a big difference between a 1,000-mile wall and a wall around your house! there is a big difference between 1,000 miles of wall and a wall around your house. laura, please. >> laura: why don't they just leave the door open? why? if they don't want people coming in? >> how many people are going to have to be stationed on that wall to make sure people aren't using ropes and ladders to get over it? that is what we should be asking right now, right? >> laura: >> by the way, it is f

the wall. he actually has a comprehensive strategy, including -- >> laura: we have got to get to byron on this. it is a tricky deal. some of the polling we will put up on the screen as we talk, it is a clear plurality graphic -i think it is the morning console poll that came out today. can i see? i can't read it, it's a little hard to read. but it is a plurality of 42% who believe that the wall should be built. >> the big job tonight was to convince the american people that there really is a crisis. the president says there is a crisis, the democrats say no, there is not. the reason the administration says it a crisis is not because of the number of total people coming across the border has reason, it is actually down from it what it was a number of years ago, but they say the type of people coming across has changed. the flow has changed. in the past, you were talking about individual adults, mostly men, who could be caught and

quickly returned to mexico. now they say two-thirds of the flow is families and unaccompanied children. they cannot be returned. if they come into the united states and the law it makes it impossible -- >> laura: i have an idea appear to sponsor a family. everyone who wants to have and owns -- have an open border should have to personally -- i mean, i believe in adopting children. i think we should open up the adoption of children all over the world. it's always opm. other people's money. >> that's a great sentiment but when we are talking about a crisis at the border -- >> laura: it's a crisis! >> that defeats with the president is saying. at the president is saying drugs, crime, terrorists, and all things that aren't coming here >> laura: i think he established it's a crisis. hallelujah. >> how about one thing? two children did die at the border. we heard a lot about this from

democrats. that is because we don't -- you know, it's because there were people rushing the border every day. and we don't have the judges, the facilities, we don't have the equipment to handle it. >> laura: victor david hanson, the situation that we have now is a dysfunctional government. we talk about a government shutdown, i have said this and i will say it every night, we have a government shutdown to the will of the people on this. plurality believes it's a crisis, 42%. i think 83% of the republican supporting the president's agenda here. we have a much smaller number of democrats, we get that. but every country has a sovereign right to determine who comes in and who doesn't come in on a permanent basis. the democrats want to throw that ball out the window. why? why do they want to do it? >> what i resented most about the response was the downplaying

of these tragic stories. i am here at ground zero, 15 miles away from me, three weeks ago, garcia, who was an illegal alien in jail was let out by the county sheriff. he was not allowed to contact i.c.e. appeared in the next 24 hours he killed three people, two of them who were hispanic. he had been deported two times and then he ran people off the road and put seven other people in the hospital. to say that that is not a common occurrence is just absurd. it's not for people of a particular echelon who live in malibu or napa or washington, or a neighborhood of san francisco and they have protection and armed guards and walls. for people in the san joaquin valley where ground zero, of all different ethnic backgrounds and nationalities, it is a real worry. that is why people are getting so angry. it has become a classic thing where the elite essay you are moral and you are immoral, and e

don't talk about that. yet, they are never responsible for the consequences of their own ideology. >> laura: i want to play a sound bite from tonight for the president. we will play more from nancy pelosi and chuck schumer as well. but let's listen to what the president said specifically about the morality of a wall. >> some have suggested a barrier is immoral. then why do wealthy politicians build walls, fences, and gates around their homes? they don't build walls because they hate but the people on the outside but because they love the people on the inside. the only thing immoral is the politicians to do nothing and continue to allow more innocent people to be so horribly victimized. >> laura: chris hahn, what is unreasonable, dogmatic, or just

imprudent about what the president just said? >> well what he just said is a conservative talking point that didn't work during the election and isn't working now. >> laura: that is not responding. why is that wrong or imprudent? you can call it a talking point, that's fine. but let's talk about -- what about that is untrue or rapid, or out of control, or whatever it is that people want to say about the president because they have no logical argument. i really am serious about that. >> laura, he is comparing a home with a 2,000-mile border on the southern border. there are parts of that border where everybody agrees you should have some fencing or border or some barrier there, but not the entire 2,000 miles. >> laura: he didn't say the entire 2,000 miles. he never said the entire 2,000 miles. >> i remember doing an article last year saying seven times

during the campaign, the campaign in which the president or candidate trump said we do not need a wall on the entire 2,000-mile border. he said at the time, about half of the border. >> laura: and a big door! >> correct. >> 1,000 miles through a desert. 1,000 miles through the desert, which would be much better controlled by a drone than a wall. >> there already exist some fencing, and the fencing is something people can walk right through. there actually is fencing. >> and it works where it is. it walls work! >> laura: i'm going to look at the visuals tonight. we are on tv, so people on tv, we are all superficial. [laughs] visuals, okay? visuals. the president, the way he looked. just a close screen of the president. at the way he looked tonight at the oval office, okay. there he is. hi, president trump. now we have the democrat rebuttal. let's see what they look like.

>> it looks like liberal gothic. >> your mother and i are very angry with you. >> laura: they don't look happy, but okay. that was a horrible meme, which we are not going to show that winter meme. isn't that cruel? they have done the same thing to thing to trump, by the way. there was one other, okay, there it is. these people are terrible. who came up with another one? when they showed up in the kind of walked out on the long haul. oh, no, that is terrible. that is ridiculous. chuck schumer doesn't look anything like that. it is tough to do these rebuttals. honestly, republicans have tried to do it. remember when bob mcdonald tried to do the rebuttal? marco rubio. i'm just having fun, i'm having fun. it's not easy to do it, but i think visually it is always a little tough. all right, panel. thank you very much. >> it's hard, you know? >> laura: it is not easy but it actually would be easy to

strike a compromise on the border. we could all sit around, even with chris hahn we could sit around. a couple beers may be, we can figure it all out. come on. >> gives me daca, and i will give you border security. >> laura: thank you so much, guys. great, great conversation. for months, we've been asking democratic representatives, whose paychecks come from your tax dollars, to come on here and explain their opposition to this increase in border security, the way the president is framing this. even tonight, by the way, the president addressed the nation, i don't know how many we called, three dozen, four doesn't, not one congressional democrat that we spoke with agreed to sit down right here in the studio and explain why they disagree with the president. that is our shame. we welcome all points of view and democrats on the show every night, we ask them to come on in good faith, have a good conversation and even get somewhere. but for some reason they just

don't want to talk about this issue. this impacts all americans all across the country, not just ones that live near the border. >> america's heart broke the day after christmas when a young police officer in california was savagely murdered in cold blood by an illegal alien who just came across the board appeared an air force veteran was, murdered, and beaten to death with a hammer by an illegal alien with a long criminal history. in georgia, an illegal alien was recently charged with murder for killing, beheading, and dismembering his neighbor. how much more american blood must we shed before congress does its job? >> laura: we wanted to take you outside of the partisan bickering to the folks on the front lines of this fight. joining me now, he is the

president of the national border control council. every day he sees firsthand just how bad this crisis on the border is and he even met with president trump just last week about it, and erwin carmichael is the former sheriff of a county in north carolina peered he was defeated after he supported a program that allowed he is a police department with i.c.e. and the detainers on illegal immigrants. and last year, his son was shot down dead by an illegal alien who made it back into the country despite being previously deported. thank you all for being here. brandon, you would think that if democrats felt that they had, i don't know, the upper hand in this debate, they wouldn't be afraid, right? to step in and say, i don't know, let's sit down and have a conversation. they don't want to discuss the specifics of so many families across the country that have

been devastated by illegal immigration's. they hide behind the cliches of all, we are a country of immigrants. that is about it for them. >> again, what they are not doing is not proposing a plan. what president trump has done is clearly lay out a plan that is going to give us border security. if we go back and look at what president trump said, i believe "the new york times" was back checking him in real time, they found nothing wrong with what he said. they did not find that he lied about anything. but let's compare with what chuck schumer and nancy pelosi said. they said that barriers don't work. that is false. i can personally tell you that border barriers to do work. i worked on the border prebarriers, post barriers, and illegal immigration hasn't dropped exponentially when we had them. they say the american people do not want border barriers, that is not necessarily true. it depends on what you are looking at. then they say that they are for border security. if that was a fact, why aren't they laying out a plan and telling us exactly what they

want? instead, it's the president of united states that is laying out the plan and the plan is sound. >> laura: is very specific, and i'm still going to call you sheriff, even though i know you were defeated, sheriff, what happened in your county in north carolina? people don't think of north carolina as a place where a lot of illegal immigrants are a problem but the fact is it is a problem all over the country. even in more rural parts of the country where we have gone onto traditional labor jobs in the field, what happened there to thwart the rule of law with this 287g policy of cooperating with federal officials on immigration? >> the 287g program, this program is a federal database that we used to identify exactly who we have in our jail and he was in our community. you know, the top four crimes in

our county through that program? number one, dwi. dwi. second one is assault on a female. third one is heroin. look at how many folks die a day just from heroin. then we have indecent liberties with a child. of those of the top four in our county because we have the 287g program. these folks are removed from the country. they were moved from our communities, but now, this program no longer exists in our county, and they are going to be released right back into their communities to reoffend. >> laura: and 28 have already been released, correct? >> yes, 28 have been released. >> laura: [laughs] how is north carolina electing a sheriff like this? he was going to come on last night -- or he said he wouldn't come on because someone.com misquoted him about something totally different, it was a complete canard.

they will not come on to answer legitimate questions that americans want answered about why they are not protecting the american people. they won't come on. it democrats won't come on from capitol hill, local officials are afraid, they are all hiding from their local constituents. jeffrey, i had the pleasure of meeting you you in june. the pleasure and heartbreak of sharing your story about your son losing his life to an illegal immigrant. i want to play for you, and here's a picture of your beautiful boy. i want to play for you a sound bite of tonight. this is over at msnbc, chris hayes, who was reacting to the president bringing up the issue of illegal immigrant crime. let's watch. >> there are genuinely horrific things that are happening, but to slay them with the people here, that is pretty ugly. >> laura: your reaction to that? that is tantamount to

incitement, he says. >> i am just wondering how many of these people have had their sons and daughters, wives, or husbands' life snuffed out by one of these illegal aliens, these monstrous people, these human beings that prey on another human being. i am just wondering if they would talk the same line if they saw their son bleeding dead in the street, or their daughter to death. i'm just wondering if nancy pelosi had one of her children or grandchildren assaulted in the same way that my son was assassinated. if she would speak the same way. i just wonder about that, laura. >> laura: the president raised that issue of course tonight and he personalized it and said, it is easy to kind of flick it off when it is not your family. another one, junking over at cnn, he said basically, and i

will have you reacted to this, he said, look, cited this study you can quibble with, that immigrants on a whole commit less crime than american citizens. again, the study on that just focusing i think on arizona, they conflate legal immigrants and illegal immigrants. so, brandon, you heard the pain from jeffrey and his family, how do you respond to this tonight? democrats are saying, it is a 45 year low at the border, fewer crossings, not a crisis, big deal, not a big deal. your reaction? >> a 45 year low in 2017. i personally had to go to funerals of border patrol agents that have been killed by illegal immigrants. i have seen it, i know it. but one thing i wish the american public understood is that i met with the president on multiple occasions. i have had multiple

conversations with him and what i know personally is what he is trying to do is he is trying to protect the american people. he cares about the american people, and because he does care about them, he is trying to secure the border. why don't the democrats want to do the same thing? i am baffled by that, and frankly, it upsets me because i am the one who is out there trying to patrol the border, trying to protect the american public and i am not being given the support that i needed mainly by the democrats. >> laura: sheriff, how does this issue -- you saw it play out tonight on national tv -- the president gives his address, very specific, very frank. democrats respond. how does it play out in local communities like yours? >> our program, the 287g, all we look for is the criminal element. you had to be arrested or charged with a crime before you would ever encounter it. these folks that are killing folks, we will pay for them for

the rest of their lives. it dwi it being the number one crime in this county, and the gentleman officer from californ, two dwis by the suspect. he should have been removed from the country, and right here in charlotte, we have a gentleman who was arrested for marijuana and then he was not deported. he stayed here, he killed four people, one of them being an american top model contestant. he will never leave the country, we will pay for him for the rest of our lives and his life. there is a lot of bad folks that are here in the community, and again, we want to make sure the community is safe. we want to make sure that they are removed when they commit crimes. i'm all for a pathway to citizenship. >> laura: doctor, i want to get your last word really quickly. should the president relent and compromise on this wall? >> absolutely 100% not.

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>> do you trust me? ♪ >> laura: james bond's masculinity has apparently hit its expiration date. the american psychological association is now out with new guidelines declaring that "traditional masculinity is harmful." ryan mcdermott and a psychologist at the university of south alabama who helped draft these guidelines asked ironically what is gender in the 2010's? it is no longer just this male-female binary. if we can change men, we can change the world. what exactly are we trying to change them to? new, modern women really dislike traditional masculinity. here to help us answer this is emily, sr. culture editor at "the federalist."

emily, let us start with you. what do you think this attack on what is known as traditional masculinity is all about? >> the apa specifically names in their definition of traditional masculinity competitiveness, stoicism, all qualities i think a lot of young women like myself and women of all ages really probably find attractive, compelling, and i think it is sad that the apa lends its authority as an institution and its credibility as an institution to these guidelines which are steeped in language, really a fourth wave feminism. lots of hand at intersection malady, there is talk of privilege and all of these different buzzwords. and there is actually short on substance and the substance that is there is attempting to apologize things like stoicism in men. >> laura: i'm really trying to understand this. traditional masculinity seems to be, in this report, conflated with being a pig or a creep or a

harvey weinstein kind of person. >> let's not bring crime into i it. >> laura: but that is what they have listed, that will kind of fall into bullying, which will fall into other categories of male aggression. >> here's the thing, i have to be honest. i wasn't impressed with this at all. i feel like they committed the cardinal sin, this particular study, of not actually defining the terms that they use. i think in these questions of what is gender, what is whatever it -- look, i am a former pro women's football player. [clapping] >> laura: what position? >> defensive tackle. >> laura: i could have had you on alabama. don't get me started on the game last night. >> but years ago, before

motherhood softened me and whatnot -- >> laura: the traditional feminine. >> yah, what is more womanly than having a baby? anyway, here's the thing. boys will be boys getting away with bad behavior is something that has to be stopped. we certainly can all agree on that, but to come out -- i think this study, i hope it is a first foray into a larger conversation about what psychologically they are talking about. these terms are not defined, and nobody's going to sit up here and say, oh, yeah, harvey weinstein, i want my guy to grow up and be just like him. >> laura: there are bullies who are both male and female. there are people who have pathological behavior in both genders, and i think it hurts the feminist movement is to turn everything into a political -- i tend to think this kind of starts moving into politics and beyond -- to treat people with

respect. disagree, agree, i have so many friends who are liberals, sometimes we get at each other but we love each other. we have got to love each other more and stop with the, oh, my god, every time we disagreed has to become a political crusade. i think that's wrong. >> i agree with that, and i also want to add, these attitudes are attitudes that have already had negative consequences in school systems. a declining recess times and certain schools, which helps boys concentrate the more time they spend outside playing. this is an attitude that has had dangerous impacts. this is a dangerous, and i don't appreciate that the apa has lent its authority to this. >> laura: but do you think traditional masculinity is detrimental to society in the long run? why is that? i love james bond, let me just say i love james bond. i love "braveheart," i love all those films. i like when a guy opens the door for me.

sorry, that is old-fashioned. >> here is the thing, again, we need to define our terms. >> laura: how about don't be a jerk? that's fine. >> don't be a jerk, get consent before touching anybody, and certainly having sex with somebody. >> laura: "how are you doing? okay, don't touch me." we all have to have bubble wrap around us. people are afraid to hug each other goodbye. >> may i? you could do that. >> laura: oh, come on. >> i actually do. because, you know, it is flu season. it's just about making sure, frankly, that we hold everybody to the same standards and we don't take girls out of science and math --

>> laura: that is stupid. >> it is. it is also stupid to say, oh, she is so aggressive for a girl. i have gone that on report cards. >> laura: i got that every report card, too. >> oh, my goodness, twins appear >> laura: i think we actually came up with something. we can actually disagree with some of the political issues surrounding these things but don't jump to conclusions, if someone is athletic, or if they want to open a door for a woman they are not a terrible person. they are not looking down on you, they are not doing that. all right, coming up, the christian baker, who went all the way to the supreme court. remember that? now he refused to make a wedding cake for another couple is back in court. he joins us exclusively to tell us why he believes he is being punished next appear to speak of the civil rights commission was told directly from the united states supreme court, you cannot be hostile, and they are. you cannot tre

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♪ >> laura: we have an update for you tonight in our defending the first series. you might remember last summer we covered that big of religious liberty victory at the supreme court. it was a ruling in favor of a colorado christian baker who

refused to make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple because he said it violated his religious beliefs. now that same man is suing the state of colorado, accusing the colorado civil rights commission of antireligious bias. what is going on here? the group ruled that phillips discriminated against an attorney and transgender woman for the refusal to bake a cake to celebrate her transition. not so coincidentally, she asked for the cake the same day they supreme court announced that it would take up the original masterpiece cake shop cake. joining me now for a "the ingraham angle" take is the owner, jack phillips, and his attorney from the alliance defending freedom. the attorney is arguing the following, saying, nothing about the design of the cake -- a pink cake with blue frosting -- or the event, birthday, violate any

religious belief held by mr. phillips. there you have it. your reaction? >> first of all, at masterpiece cake shop, we serve everybody who comes into the shop regardless of their sexual orientation, religion, or marital status. anything like that. but we don't create every cake people ask us to make because of the messages that they express. when autumn called our shop, she requested a cake that would celebrate a gender transition. that was more than -- that was a message we could not create. >> laura: what was on the actual cake that the would-be patron requester? was it something beyond color? was it writing? >> it was a custom cake, it was pink on the inside and blue on the outside to celebrate a gender transition. if it would have been another occasion, a graduation or a

birthday, we would have gladly created that cake. but this was a message that this cake promoter that we could not create. >> laura: this is like the equivalent of forum shopping, but the forum here is jack and his cake shop here today love jack, they love going to his cake shop because they know they are going to be able to get somewhere with the state commission on this issue, but you heard the argument, and the commission makes this point in a statement, and i will read it for you that says, i don't think there is any hostility with respect to religion. there was a single commission member, who after this decision was decided, he expressed it somewhat of an artfully that he doesn't like it when religious views are used not to harm other people. but you cannot harm other people because it is in your religious belief to do so. what is going on here? pink cake on the outside, blue on the inside, i have already gotten confused by that. but what is happening here? speak of the first thing, simply

what autumn has said, it was filed with the court and wie commission. he said he wanted a cake that reflected and celebrated his gender transition. that is the message he wanted in a cake. jack is all about serving his customers and people of all faiths, of all walks of life, but he can't express all messages, and no artist should have to do that. what is even more telling, a few weeks later, he called back and this time requesting a cake asking jack to make a cake promoting satan's birthday and marijuana. they saw this set up and in 24 days from when the supreme court ruled, it decided to get on autumn's bus and pursue the hostility and harassment that he was attempting to invoke and put on jack phillips. >> laura: jack, you obviously -- i think it is pretty obvious, you personally are being targeted because they

know you are this christian guy, and even though you will serve everybody, for a specific life choice you won't. and you don't want to because of religious beliefs. it really irks them that you won at the court, but even the politicians in the state, they are on the bandwagon as your attorney just said. listen to diana, who was the democrat rep. watch. >> protection based on sexual orientation and gender identity are civil rights issues, and they will be enforced. [applause] >> laura: you will be forced to make a cake with a message that violates your religious belief, period. that is what she says. >> yeah, it was quite shocking to hear things saying like that from my government, that they are going to punish me for standing up for my beliefs when

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i know, make sure it goes viral. this is why i'm one of the only people engaged at this time of day and let me get back in your face. a lot of these people don't like you. >> a lot of these people don't like you. kellyanne conway owning jim acosta today and that is all-time we have tonight, the stupendous and always on top of breaking news, shannon bream, take it from here. >> reporter: thank you very much, we begin with a fox news alert. the president of the united states speaking from the oval office making a case that there's a crisis on the border so dire, the showdown with democrats to get funding for a