whether or not there's any movement. [laughter] >> sandra: a $1 bet on the table with this one. that's it for us. >> bill: we've got to roll. >> sandra: thanks for joining us. "outnumbered" starts now. >> melissa: fox news alert in this hour, president trump will leave the white house and had to capitol hill to meet with senate republicans. as the president continues his push to build a border wall, and the partial government shutdown enters day 19. following that, congressional leaders from both parties will meet back at the white house all amid new reaction to the president's address last night. this is to is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis here today. of course, my partner, harris faulkner. there she is. town hall editor and fox news contributor katie pavlich, host of "kennedy" on the fox business network, kennedy herself, and it joining us on the couch, cohost of fox & friends weekend, we have pete hegseth here. love the green and the green socks prayed i don't know if the audience can see it.

looks fabulous. >> pete: is an homage to kennedy. >> kennedy: we are paired for the new year, always. >> pete: forever linked in 2019. [laughter] >> melissa: just like a shutdown. that's perfect. new reaction to the president's speech last night on border security, and the democrat rebuttal. speaker nancy pelosi accused the president of manufacturing a crisis. the president laid out his case. watch. >> this is a humanitarian crisi crisis, a crisis of the heart, and a crisis of the soul. democrats in congress have refused to acknowledge the crisis. they have refused to provide our brave border agents with the tools they desperately need to protect our families and our nation. >> president trump must stop holding the american people hostage. let's stop and manufacturing a crisis. let's reopen the government. >> melissa: all right. this morning, senate minority

leader chuck schumer taking to the senate floor to double down on their criticism. watch this. >> so, the president continues to fear monger, and he makes up the facts. this is a presidency that is in crisis. in no way to the president's speech last night make a persuasive or even a new case for an exorbitantly expensive border wall. a wall that the president guaranteed would be paid by mexico. he says "i ran on this!" yeah, he ran on it saying mexico would pay for it. >> melissa: white house counselor kelly and connolly responding today to democratic cynicism criticism. watch this. >> the idea you could say these crises are manufactured when you know the suffering and the pain that so many families have endured, because their love ones have died at the hands of illegl aliens who should not have been here, the president detailed some of those real-life accounts yesterday. and said, "what if it was your child, your husband, your wife,

your loved one?" for the democrats to call it manufactured what it's very real and raw is very unfortunate and insulting. speak to pete, there are real things going on, here. there are ridiculous things going on here. the fight over now, whether or not -- there are so many semantics. whether or not it's a crisis. i thought it was clever for the president to switch the idea that it's a humanitarian crisis, because in the past -- and i'm sure we could pull the sound bite -- democrats have said "it's a humanitarian crisis, if you look at all the people. the caravan coming." anytime you see people -- children have died, people are lined up in shelters waiting to see what's going to happen. that's humanitarian crisis. >> pete: it can be both, and it is both. it's a humanitarian crisis but it's also a national security sovereignty crisis at our border. the democrats refused to acknowledge the national security side of it, hence, they don't want to discuss it. they want to emphasize the humanitarian side. >> melissa: they don't even want to's a humanitarian

anymore. it's not a crisis at all. >> pete: something we can manage through components of immigration reform, but not a wall. the wall can be part of it because then men and women can't stick down i could sneak across the border. i would like the president to say it's not $5.7 billion anymore. it's $10 billion. but crisis is so big, i want to go for the whole thing. that was not the time to back away at all. the pressure at a house hot as it is, keep pushing. >> melissa: what can be done now, that's the single biggest of the mind of folks to fixity. lindsey graham said so clearly, let's put deals on the table that makes sense. put stuff out there that the democrats have brought and voted yes on before in the past. that's so logical, i want to fall on the couch onto the grou. >> katie: correct, including the fencing. he has gone from saying we want these concrete barriers to the steel structure. he talked to border agents saying the sea would be better

for the pain he continues to talk to them on the ground to see what they need. to get back to the negotiating table, hearing from people on the ground dealing with the implications. and the mentoring crisis. the fact is the circuits are completely overloaded. if democrats don't think it's a crisis, what exactly do they think it is? every backlog of 800,000 asylum cases prayed 9 out of 10 of those get thrown on the first cd shelters are overloaded. democrats don't want to give border patrol and i.c.e. agents more resources for beds and medical supplies, even though the white house has put that on the table as something they have requested. and then they turn around and try to hold ice and border patrol responsible for deaths that occurred in their facilities. while the facilities continue to get overwhelmed because you can't cut off the thicket as a result of the standoff, democrats refusing to do anything, resources are completely limited and there is a serious humanitarian crisis when it comes to this impacting real people. both central americans, mexicans

who are upset about the caravan being stuck in tijuana, and american citizens who have suffered at the hands of illegal immigration. whether it's economically, or through paying with their lives. >> melissa: 90% of the heroin coming into the country comes over the southern part of bord. it seems meaningful. >> kennedy: doesn't necessarily come in through holes in the border, and a wall isn't necessarily going to stop that. most illegal drugs -- and there's a bigger influx now because the legal cannabis market in this country has cut into the cartels' profits. now that people in the majority of states can obtain either medical or recreational cannabis, they are not relying on the narco's terror cartels any longer. that's a different conversation. but katie brings up an interesting point, which is about mexico. they don't have the resources to prop up the number of people have been trying to enter the united states and who are stuck there. that particular juncture.

why not bring in the u.n.? why not have -- that was something that was talked about a couple months ago. >> melissa: didn't they try that? >> kennedy: they did. when you are talking about refugees and delivering aid to people who really are in a crisis, you have to -- >> harris: if we call them refugees, doesn't that also help the asylum case? >> kennedy: i don't think we have to get hung up again, on another semantic distinction. i think if there are people and they are hungry and sick and they are immobile, then you have to send the u.n. end. also, it was very relieved to see that chuck schumer was actually moving his body on the senate floor. i worried that he was a malfunctioning automaton. [laughter] >> harris: a couple things for both political parties to consider. you've got democrats calling for more people, no barrier, more people. do you know that, according to the border patrol, there are 2,000 job openings?

that is not breaking news. recent reporting shows that -- >> with the border patrol? >> harris: yeah. they are having severe retention issues. the cartels are raising about $65 billion a year. our resources to fight them are staffed at about $61 billion a year. as representative will hurt has set out of texas today, would you think is willing win that e question argue got job openings, and a call by democrats to say "no, no, no. the people are going to be an answer. people and technology." you need the third thing, the barrier. the democrat out of michigan told me that yesterday. they might be closer than we think. the president and republicans -- i was surprised last night to the president fall short and not talk more about what's happening with the shutdown. he's talking about drugs, but the dea is going to be part of what is not funded at this point. why not get those six appropriations bills passed, pete?

do what you can do, be the adult in the room, and say "you know what question argue no i'm fighting for the border wall more than anybody, but at the same time, we can't put the nation in the position where the dea can't even do its job." kennedy is right, most of those illegal drugs are coming through ports of entry. which means we do need more people at those ports of entry. >> kennedy: or to take a different approach to the technology. >> harris: technology, whatever it is. but i think there is so much on both political sides where they could come together. vital think they can do it before the next pay period, which is tomorrow. >> pete: and the white house, i believe, is attuned to that reality. they will be pressure. >> harris: absolutely. >> pete: but you will watch the next 24 or 48 hours. i think last night was a big moment. i think more people tuned in and watched it then we think. he wanted to perimeter on the wall. i tried to watch speeches like that like i'm not a political observer prayed i watched abc to see how they would cut in. they said "tonight you are going to see "blackish" later.

now, to george stephanopoulos." he basically said "trump is awful, here he is." he frames it the way he wants. trump speaks, they are familiar with him in that environment. "the apprentice," and others. it cuts out, goes back to more of "why trump is awful, by ebc." and it goes to chuck and nancy, but i think most people don't know who they are. but why freeman is a shut down when the wall is what you don't like your argument is? you want to see you care so much -- and melissa hit the nail on the head -- that you know how i the switch to humanitarian crisis, you don't want to create a crisis in this country, too come at the same time. not humanitarian, not to over blow it, but if you are one of those 800,000 people who needs to make a mortgage payment -- and i saw sean hannity last night saying "there is all the hope that this will be retroactive pay, too." it better be! >> kennedy: very quickly, chuck schumer really upset me last night talking about how this is essentially a force to

crisis. he and nancy pelosi -- >> melissa: they don't even have to, they can just dust off the 2006 secure fence act and bring it out. they don't even have to do any new work. in the meantime, we have been telling you before that president trump is right now doing a bill signing. we are hearing from the pool spray that he has made remarks about the border, about the crisis going on, about last night. just as soon as we get those remarks we are going to turn them around and bring them to you on the other side of this break. in the meantime, for the first time ever, new polling shows that a majority of democrats identify as liberal. as some of its top leaders embrace subsidized health care for illegal immigrants, what this means for the direction of the democratic party going forward. plus, the big exit at the justice department ahead of the confirmation hearing for a new attorney general. what rod rosenstein's departure means for the future of the

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a top signing that bill, he began talking about the situation of meeting with democrats and republicans on the border wall and border security. this is how he opened. "we are doing very well, except for the borders," he says, calling border security "a big problem and a dangerous problem. we have to take care of the border." here's the part i want to share with you most -- he said "we are all working together. i really believe the democrats and the republicans are working together. otherwise, we will go about it in a different manner." he added. "i don't think we will have to do that, but you never know." now, of course, he's talking about the bill on antihuman trafficking legislation, which he is signing up a sign. as we get more notes, talking with reporters at this bill signing, we will bring it to you live. we will move on now, he never fox news alert. her potential changes that the justice department as deputy attorney general rod rosenstein is reportedly expected to leave his job. if and when attorney general

nominee william barr is confirmed by the senate. nominee barr on capitol hill today, meeting with senator lindsey graham. senator graham saying that barr has assured him that he will allow special counsel robert mueller to complete his investigation. this comes amid a new development in that probe. court documents revealing that paul manafort, the president's former campaign chairman, is accused of sharing polling data with a russian-tied criminal and operative. catherine herridge on the job for us today to bring us up to speed with the news. catherine? >> the white house characterized the decision to leave after a new attorney general is confirmed as part of a smooth transition. >> i don't think there is any willingness by the president of the white house to push them ou out. my guess is that he is making room for the new attorney general to build a team that he wants around him. >> rod rosenstein left his home

in suburban washington this morning without speaking to reporters. last month, house republicans closed out their russia probe and it singled out rosenstein for failing to come to the hill to answer questions under oath. his role in surveillance abuse allegations during the 2016. after the former top lawyer for the fbi, james baker, backed up accounts that rosenstein was serious when he discussed secretly recording the president and invoking the 25th amendment in may of 2017. after they fired it then-fbi director james comey. they said that his comments were misunderstood and sarcastic. this morning, william barr is on capitol hill, as you mentioned, for a series of senate meetings in advance of next week's hearings. the treatment of the powerful judiciary committee said he will do a deep dive on fisa abuse allegations once he takes the gavel, adding that rosenstein will be part of it. he also pressed barr on how he will handle the special counsel report. >> i asked mr. speethirty

directly, "do you think mr. mueller is on a witch hunt?" and he said no. "what do you intend to do with that?" "i will go through the process of erring on the side of transparency." >> a develop meant late tuesday, a glitch in new court filing revealed that the special counsel accused paul manafort of sharing 2016 polling data with a russian-ukrainian political consultant with suspected ties to russian intelligence. he has previously denied any relationship to russian intelligence services. also, this group of bipartisan senators will renew efforts to put robert miller through legislation. going back and forth, for a couple of months. >> harris: catherine herridge, it's always good to see you. thank you. happy new year. senator graham, the incoming senate judiciary committee chairman, had a lot to say about this today.

where do you think we are going forward with rosenstein leaving? by the way, or member of a scuttlebutt about the president not firing him? it looks like he's just leaving. because it's been a couple years. he said that was a total commitment. >> pete: absolutely. this looks like a new attorney general should have the ability to have a team around him that reflects the priorities and the approach that they attorney general's going to take. barr is very well-respected, i think he will be confirmed. he has taken a measured approach on mueller. all of this about protecting mueller is a bunch of nonsense. how many times do people have does it give them a chance to give him a chance to finish the investigation, before someone believes them? >> harris: it's a chance to say "we don't know what mueller has." and that it's almost over. [laughter] that we believe they just apply for some extension. maybe not. katie, i want to get back to this point. the president obviously meant when he said when he said he's not firing him, and he may very well have known. to your point, he may have known

that was coming. that's part of the president's job, to know what's coming up. he certainly is willing to make some changes on his staff. >> katie: if the president wanted to fire rod rosenstein, he could have done a very long time ago. this is not the white house pushing him out, this is a very basic transition of a position. when a new leader comes in, we saw this with john bolton, when he came in as the new national scary divisor. we saw a couple of those people live, new people comes in. this is what happens when new adventures in command, of cours course. in regards to protecting mueller, lindsey graham is part of the committee. chuck grassley who was in charge before got that bill out of committee to protect the mueller probe. everybody's freaking out that the probe is somehow going to disappear after millions of dollars, hundreds of thousands of hours of work being put in, just because there is an absence of this deputy attorney general position paid that's just not going to happen. >> harris: can i ask it this way, too? democrats have said they could jump-start with investigations. they don't even want to wait for

the probe to yield whatever information it may. where are they so worried about the probe not yielding whatever information it may, if they are willing to subpoena and go after the president anyway? >> kennedy: that's a great question! [laughter] can i jump in with something else? >> katie: they haven't gotten the results they want, and they want to go on their own witch hunt, so to speak. >> melissa: i'm interested in the new information on the manafort prayed he sent 2016 polling data to a business associate and the translator, talk to him about how to influence u.s. policy on the ukraine in order to benefit russia. that doesn't sound good. i would like to know, if that's true, was that in exchange for money? did the president know about it? there is actual material here that i want to know about. >> kennedy: that is a key question. is there a connection between the president, and was there some directive, to manafort?

that somehow you have to exchange information in order to bolster business deals later down the road. who knows? we don't know that yet. both sides have to stop asking as though we do know. because we don't. it also goes to show why we need the full results of the mueller investigation, once he reaches his conclusion. >> harris: is the reason we won't get those customer do think this back and forth about the legislation is anything more than an exercise? >> kennedy: yes, because government likes to protect itself and shield itself from embarrassment. which is what we saw so many ongoing questions at the fbi and doj. >> harris: look at that. you don't mince words, girl. >> kennedy: i men's onions! [laughter] >> harris: minced onions are delicious. president trump is hoping for a time will be the charm when he sits down with congressional leaders tended to talk about the government shutdown. securing money for the long promised portable system. will the president reach a compromise with democrats, or will the shutdown drug on questioner glide from the white house, next.

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>> melissa: okay, so, the president is inside right now at a bill signing, but of course he is making comments about the crisis that is going on at the border, in his words. also, the shutdown of the government. there is a pool spray there, we will give you that video as soon as it happens. we are hearing some of the things he's talking about. he says we are all working together. i really believe the democrats and republicans are working together. otherwise, we will go about it in different manner. there he is talking about may be declaring a national emergency. i don't think we will have to do that, but you never know. she white house correspondent john roberts is live on the north lawn right now with more. john? >> good afternoon to you. that pool spray is actually over, and they are back inside the brady briefing room right now queuing up the recordings. we are going to get the playback very soon. by the president, ed of

-- bicameral leadership, they will be coming down to the situation. calculate down to say "look, i want to work with you. i think we can looked dull my together. we could have a deal and ford have minutes and put this thing altogether and open the government and get funding for border security, including construction of the steel fence." but the democrats of course, last night, were bulking at that idea. saying you've got open government first. the president today come in that pool spray, is signing and antihuman trafficking bill. he said "look, if you can't get some agreement, we may have to go to a backup plan." that backup plan would be to declare a national emergency and use the enhanced powers of the presidency after the declaration of emergency to get the military to build a wall. sitting in a pool spray again, which will you will hear very soon, saying he believes he has the absolute right to do it. again, 3:00 this afternoon. there will be no tv cameras, the participants will have to leave their phones outside the

situation room because it's a secure facility. they will sit down and talk and try to hash this out. if the press conference that was just held by nancy pelosi and chuck schumer is any indication, they don't want to talk about border security until there is some kind of agreement to reopen the government. listen to what chuck schumer said a short time ago. >> the president needs to come to his senses and end the shutdown now. i don't think he persuaded a soul with his talk last night. it was the same old, same old. mistruths. divisiveness. didn't have the effect that he had hoped. >> that is chuck schumer's opinion. we will see soon see if it did have the effect of the president hoped, as he made his case that there is in a crisis on the border that needs addressing. schumer said, we all want border security. there's a difference about how we want to get to it."

but the priority for the democrats is to open the government and then negotiate about border security. president trump knows history well enough. he knows back in the mid-1980s, donald trump that's a promise from congress. he got amnesty for all of the people who were here in the country illegally, never got border security. we are now told, melissa, well within the two-minute warning of the playback of the president's comments. we will have those for you and a few seconds now. >> melissa: absolutely. john roberts, thank you for that. real quick, bring it back out to the couch here. i wonder if the momentum has switch shifted. standing there saying no. go ahead. >> harris: a couple things, we had three republicans and now lisa murkowski come across and say they would consider voting with democrats to reopen the government on certain issues. we know in the house, where the democrats have majority, there has been some loosening talk. i watched represented have heard out of texas talking today about

areas he thought he and republis could work together. and democrats. it could be some new ground. >> melissa: and lindsey graham saying "let's just put deals on the table that makes sense." that's where to go from here. so analysis into the president. >> thank you very much. i appreciate you being here. has it been so long? late last night. we are having some very good times in our country. we are doing very well, except for the border. the border is a big problem. it's a very dangerous problem. i can talk all about the job numbers and how well we are doing on the economy, the stock market is up. i guess now we are over 30% since the election. so many good things are happening, but we have to take care of the board. we are all working together. i believe the democrats and the republicans are working to give it. something will happen, i hope. otherwise, we will go about in a different manner. i don't think we will have to do that. but you never know.

in a few moments, i will sign legislation continuing my administration's extensive efforts to combat the scourge of human trafficking. i spoke about it last night. human trafficking. it really hits a nerve, talking about, in many cases, women and children grabbed, thrown into the backseat of a car or thrown into a van, with no windows, no form of air. tape put across their mouths, and they are brought across the board. they don't go through checkpoints, they go through the empty's spot they can find. with no walls, no fences. i want to think vice president pence, who is here. secretary nielsen. acting attorney general whitaker. secretary aza. a woman known as ivanka trump. [laughter] where is ivanka? hi, ivanka. [applause]

she has worked very hard on this. it's very close to her heart. deputy secretary sullivan, administrator green, acting director rotella, assistant secretary johnson, and -- >> melissa: we will keep an eye on this as the president is here talking about the bill signing, and less about the topic of the day, which is border security and the fight that's going on as the government remains partially closed. at the end of this, he is going to talk more about where we are in the progress on this back and forth fight. when he gets that part, we will back to it. don't worry, you won't miss anything. in the meantime, katie, i wonder -- the democrats are making the point of the president has shut the government, he was happy to own that. he's throwing a temper tantrum come as close as a result. last night, i wonder if that dynamic shifted as at all as lindsey graham said "let's put solutions on the table that people want." there's maybe this push forward on some legislation that would fund all of these things that

come in the past, democrats have wanted to do. the fence and, more patrol, more security, more camo, more technology preyed all of that stuff in addition to opening the government. you see chuck schumer and nancy pelosi stand locked together in an uncomfortable looking position, saying "no, no, no." how have things change? >> katie: is becoming increasingly clear that chuck schumer and nancy pelosi have a goal of attacking president trump. you see just now, president trump in the oval office, he is still talking about how this affects real individual people. he is going into detail about human trafficking, what that actually means, to women and children. he was describing the way women are taken, they take their mouths and put them into advance never be seen again paid that's the kind of things people he talk about, watching the saying "this is a big problem, there is a human cost. and yet, democrats are only sending their staffers to meet at the white house." nancy pelosi and chuck schumer aren't showing up themselves to

have these conversations. they are dug in not unnecessarily the issues of providing more resources. they say "we are all for border security, close go but they aren't providing real details about what that means. the white house come on the other hand, talk about the wall and more resources as a whole for the border patrol and ice. >> harris: i bring up the case of the person let go from prison and going free after spending all of her maturing teenage years in prison. she killed an attacker. she was human-traffic in this country. that was a big case for celebrities. when i see a president signed a bill like this and go into detail, this is something that hollywood has stepped into and made a difference on. people like kim kardashian paid not only the prison reform, but this was something important to. others in hollywood. i just wonder, is there some sort of -- what's happening? where those voices now? the president is making a difference on something that we

can meet on the middle on. >> pete: they are gone, harris. they are gone. they are far gone. campus reform did a video recently where it read quotes from nancy pelosi and chuck schumer, and hillary clinton about the wall. from 2005 and 2009. they pretended it was trump. all the kids were like "those are racist terrible comments! they are so divisive eczema" but then they revealed it was said by democrats. all of the sudden -- the reality is, the democratic party has gone so far left is unrecognizable. common sense things like a wall and border security are still sensitive to regular americans, no longer -- >> harris: but it's going on right now. >> melissa: they will make fun of him, kennedy, right? but he's describing people with tape over their mouths. >> pete: it doesn't matter what he does. they will hate trump no matter what the bill is called. >> kennedy: they will trivialize the president because they want to win at all costs. they don't care what it takes. they don't care what the collateral damage is, in terms

of federal workers who don't get paid, or border agent positions who aren't filled. they want to win the presidency. they are hoping to do as much damage to the president as possible, on every issue. particularly, on this one. it's not having the same kind of traction that it was when we were having the family separations at the border. this is a larger issue. this is the president's signature issue. he has soften his language, democrats have yet to do the same. >> katie: can i say one more thing real quickly customer at the american people are starting to see that open borders are any main, and the open borders do not promote good behavior or a safe path for people to come to the country. it's very dangerous and the president has laid that out repeatedly. >> pete: he had some good lines about that last night. >> melissa: all eyes are already on iowa as democratic voters from the hawkeye state prioritize a candidate who can beat president trump. can any of the candidates emerging beat president trump? and are women in the democratic party hamstrung by the likability issue was to mark

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>> harris: breaking news this hour as we continue to watch what is unfolding inside the white house before the president meets again today for a third meeting with democrats, republicans, 2 shut down the shut down. and reopen government. can they get the type of national security protection that we all need customer it can be agree on then? the president come as we showed you moments ago, made some border comments right off the top of a bill signing that he has going on right now in front of reporters. then, the bill signing on that antihuman trafficking legislation. and he will talk about that, then, the q&a. back and forth with reporters. as soon as we can bring you the questions, the answers, and the delving in deeper on the issue of the wall. and reopen government all of it. we will bring it to you live from inside the white house. among the comments that are coming to us, the president says he could still do this by executive fiat if you wanted to.

he could still do that, if they can't come to some sort of agreement on reopening the government. but also, getting those things that he needs to protect america, he says. a barrier. technology, and more people. it is 3-pronged. even democrats are saying that. maybe not the leadership that we saw to the rebuttal last night, but there are democrats on the hill who are both talking on fox news and among themselves. and with republicans. this week, trying to get this deal done. i come to you. i know that its leadership. nancy pelosi, the house, chuck schumer, minority leader of the democrats in the senate. if you hear from enough people and you are caucusing and counting those votes, when do you start to listen? >> i think the longer this goes on and the more hysterics are established. go ahead. >> harris: to get to the questions and answers inside the white house with the president, we are told that you are ready to watch that.

>> president trump: i very much appreciate all the democratic support. i very much do. thank you. okay. [applause] i will explain to the press -- my whole left, i have watched presidents. [laughter] they sign one letter at a time. one letter. do you ever look at those signatures? they are disastrous. i signed it with one pen and then i hand out pens. it works much better. it's also a lot faster. where are my ice guys? just pass them around. i think we have enough.

we have enough for everybody. we are pretty accurate in our account. you go. where is my senator there? we have to at least take care of the republicans. [laughter] take care of the democrat, right? do you have it? passed out around, fellas. >> mr. president, what you say to this federal workers -- security guards, secret service agents, tsa agents -- you are now going without pay? >> president trump: i think they have been terrific. these are terrific patriots. a lot of them agree with what i'm doing. i hope you will have the situation worked out. but they want security in our country and so do i. that's all we want. we want security. we want common sense, security and our country. when you look at what's going on, immigration just went to very high on your list. even on your list. immigration is very high on the list. but we are not talking about just immigration. i would like it. i will say it in front of some of our democrat friends, here. i would love to see a big immigration bill where we really

take care of the situation. i know you want to. everybody wants to. who wouldn't want to? right now we have a problem. we have to take care of this and it's quicker and easier to do this individually. but we'd like to see real immigration reform in this country, because we need it. it can be a beautiful thing. with all of the companies coming into our country, we have seven car companies now that are announcing or have announced this recently. we have many car companies at other companies come as you know, they are flowing in. we have the best job numbers, virtually, that we have ever had. for african-american, the best ever. hispanic, asian, the best ever. the best in 50 years. soon the overall number will be beaten. we have the best job numbers. we need great, qualified people. we want them to come in. i think it's a great time right now because of that. we need people, rob. in ohio we need workers. i know you feel the same way. i don't speak for chris, but everybody wants to see immigration reform.

it is just overdue. it has always been very political. maybe this will turn out to be a blessing in disguise. john, i will tell you this -- the people out there want something to happen at our southern border. whether it's human trafficking, whether it's drugs, whether it's criminals, whether it's ms-13. the folks behind me know all about that ms-13 and how violent and vicious they are, and where they come from. they all come from the same place and they all come in the same way. they come right across that border. we have thrown thousands out. i would say thousands. right, fellas? literally come ms-13 -- you have a lot of it, i know that, rich. we throw thousands out per year. and then they come back. we move them all the way back to where they came from. all the way back. and they find a way to come back again. we need strong borders and we need immigration reform. beyond that, we need immigration reform. let's go. >> reporter: but these people have to go without their

paychecks. they are being -- some are being forced to work without pay. some have been furloughed. >> president trump: they will get the money and they will be happy. i will tell you, and i say it often, many of those people you are talking about so humanly, the way you express it, but many of those people you were talking about are on my side. i've had so many people. the beautiful thing is, with social media, the world can write to you. you can take a look at social media. some of those people are saying "it's very hard for me and for my family, but mr. president, you are doing the right thing. get it done." i've had so many of them. they are patriots, they love our country. they want to see it be done. this is just common sense. they want it to be done correctly. we need a barrier, we have to stop people from coming in the way they come in. if we don't have it, you can never have border security unless you have a steel barrier, a concrete wall, you can call it whatever you want. without it, you will never have.

you can have the greatest challenge in the world. you will never in a million years have border security. it can't happen. >> reporter: why didn't you announce it last night, and when might you -- >> president trump: i think we might work a deal. if we don't, i may go that route. i have the absolute right to do a national emergency if i want. reporter mike what is your threshold question asked >> president trump: if people are unreasonable. i think we have tremendous republican support. i just spoke to a few of the people in the house. we have tremendous support. the senate has been a credible. mitch mcconnell has been incredible. he said if the present isn't going to sign it, i'm not going to waste my time. rob portman is here come he could tell you. he is very strong on border security. we have tremendous support and the senate. we have tremendous support in the house. by the way, they say "is it true that somebody, a congressman, he broke away?"

every once in a while you will have it. you know who else has that? the democrats have it, too. because they have a people breaking away, too. you know why? because they know you need border security. but you don't report that. the fact is there is tremendous support. i would know. without support, i would be the first one to know. i may be the last one, too. but there is tremendous support. right now, if i did something that was foolish, like he gave up on border security, the first ones that would hit me are my senators. they would be angry at me. the second ones would be the house. the third ones would be, frankly, my base and a lot of republicans out there. and a lot of democrats that want to see border security. what else close to mark any questions? >> reporter: why not sign the other bills, so these workers can be paid? >> president trump: you think i should do that? do you think i should do that, john? i will watch your one-sided

reporting prayed seriously, john. do you think i should just sign it? tell me. tell me. john. you think i should just sign it? >> reporter: i'm saying if you sign that those workers can start getting paid. the government -- >> president trump: so you would do that if you were in my position? you would do that? >> reporter: i'm not in your position britt i'm asking -- >> president trump: i'm asking you. would you do that? because if you would do that, you should never be in this position. you would never get anything done. goodbye, everybody. thank you very much. thank you. >> harris: a back and forth between jonathan carle, one of the reporters in the room, and the president of the united states on how to get a deal done. that was very interesting. the president saying this -- people want something to happen on our border, whether it's human trafficking, drugs, ms-13. they want to change. they want something to happen. do you think is right about that? that the majority of americans are looking -- they may not know exact what to do, but they want

something done? >> pete: absolutely, it's common sense. they see drugs, they see violence, they see the cast of the border. they understand the human consequent and they want to think about that. history in washington, d.c. it doesn't matter to folks around america. the crazier it gets there, the better his hand gets. >> melissa: i want to let people know, the reason we are looking at capitol hill right there as we are waiting for the person to arrive over there. what you were just watching was a little bit tape-delayed. i say -- we are going to come as soon as we see something happen there, we will bring it to you. the reason why i say "i don't know" is that i don't know necessarily everybody makes the connection that all of the negative externalities you see are a result of not having enough fencing and patrol of the border. a lot of people do, but i don't know -- i'm not sure it's the majority. i thought that back and forth with the report he was fair. i know that will be a big topic going forward. i used to cover the saudi oil minister at opec meetings, and he would challenge us right back on the topics intelligence on the questions.

actually thought that was fair. he did avoid answering what that reporter wanted, but it was an interesting way of doing it. >> harris: what was interesting is the timing of that conversation back and forth, too. you talk about the tape delay, there have been just a few minutes and a breath to take. fox news is now advised of a revamped schedule for the house to pass individual spending bills. perhaps, jonathan carl and other reporters would have been getting some of the same information on their phones. >> kennedy: especially with the softening among senate republicans. those in purple states, and also those who have a lot of federal workers. there are the ones putting a little bit more pressure on the president and mitch mcconnell to see some of those spending bills. so they can decide. >> harris: financial services would be a bill to pass today. agriculture and transportation, housing, tomorrow. interior on friday. those bills they think they can get done. while we were listening to the president, katie brought up

something that i thought was really interesting. that is, how this plays in middle america and the importance of that. >> katie: yeah, i don't want to come off as not having empathy for the federal government workers. i know a lot of them. a lot of my friends work for the senate and the deferment of justice. they have been furloughed and they are not getting paid tomorrow, as far as we can see. the fact is, in the private sector out in america, if you lose your job you don't get paid, either. the company goes under, they walk into your office on monday morning or friday afternoon and say "sorry, but we know longer have a position for you." there is no backpay. there is no furlough. there is no guarantee that your job is going to be there in four weeks, five weeks, two months when the government shutdown is over. i wonder, with all these questions coming from the press, it's concerning about d8 donna e dea and the secret service. when i question is being asked out of concern, i wonder what the average american working in the private sector things about that. >> kennedy: if it's not

affecting them, they say "maybe we should shut more of the government down." >> harris: the one difference i would quickly point out is that they are using our taxpayer dollars, in any event. in a private situation, we are not paying them to fire us, basically. we will be right back. stay close. with all that usaa offers

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>> melissa: thinks the pete hegseth. the commercials run -- [laughter] there you go. but we were just gaming out how the shutdown could go.

no one actually knows. >> pete: i love that exchange with jonathan karl. >> melissa: there will be a lot of that. thank you to pete hegseth and the rest of the couch. we are back your noon eastern tomorrow. for now, here is harris. >> harris: breaking news, and some play-by-play as it is happening right now. president trump on the heels of his primetime address is ramping up his demand that congress sent him a spending bill that funds is border wall. saying he has the absolute right to declare a national emergency if no deal is reached. this is "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. let's go to the live look. we are waiting president trump now, and vice president pence, to arrive on capitol hill to meet with republican senators. we know that he has just wrapped up a signing of a bill inside the white house, and is set to leave shortly ahead of his third meeting with eight congressional leaders at the white house. this is aimed at ending the partial government shutdown, now