they stuck by her side until she made to it sidewalk, thank you for being good samaritans. thank you for joining us. i'm dana perino, i'll be here tomorrow. here's shep. >> shepard: it's noon on the west coast, 3:00 at the white house, where right now president trump is meeting with congressional leaders as one of the nation's longest government shutdowns drags on. it comes after the president and democrats faced off in a prime time showdown over the president's demand for a border wall. democrats asking the president to end the partial government shutdown while they work of the their differences. while hundreds of thousands of federal workers and their families wait to find out when the next paychecks will come. plus, the man who once ran the russia investigation could be leaving the trump administration and soon. the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein plans to leave his post. we'll see what that could mean for robert mueller.

plus, getting cozy with the intercome. sir, please tell, why do you lick that ring doorbell. reporting begins now.. sir, please tell, why do you lick that ring doorbell. reporting begins now. >> shepard: reporting begins with a live look at the white house where congressional leaders are arriving right now for a meeting in the situation room with the president as the partial government shutdown drags on. with no deal in sight, hundreds of thousands of federal workers facing the reality they will not get a paycheck this friday. last night, the president made his prime time pitch to america. he said from the oval office that the u.s. needs the wall to resolve what he called a security and humanitarian crisis. the president today reiterating that he's willing to declare a national emergency so that he doesn't to have get approval from the congress. and if he does, the move would likely be challenged in court.

>> president trump: i think we might work a deal f we don't i may go that route. i have the absolute right to do national emergency if i want. >> what's your fresh hold? >> president trump: my threshold will be if i can't make a deal with people that are unreasonable. >> shepard: we don't know when and what he's demanding. ments after the president's address last night the senate minority leader chuck schumer and nancy pelosi accused him of appealing to fear and not facts and manufacturing the border cries toys make good on his campaign promise. speaker pelosi says republicans are the ones not willing to negotiate. >> the president who just has an obsession with this wall. but it's republicans in congress as well. they know full well that we have to open up government and we have to do so as soon as possible. and yet they're wrauking away from their own legislation. >> shepard: the federal government is in day 19 of the partial government shutdown. and as the stalemate between the white house and the congress

goes on, it will affect more and more americans. mortgage applications delayed. national parks and museums closed. and 800,000 federal employees will miss their first paychecks on friday. making life increasingly difficult if no deal is reached in the next 48 hours. of course, that affects their spouses and their children as well. and the businesses where they would shop. not to mention the credit card and utility companies, mortgage holders, land lords who will expect their money whether workers get a check or not. how long this shutdown is politically tenable for president trump who said he would be proud to own the shutdown. that's one thing. reality for workers who won't get paid, that's quite another. we have team fox coverage, mike emanuel reporting from capitol hill, first john roberts from the white house. >> shep, good afternoon. in his oval office address the president said this could all be over in a matter of 45 minutes if the democrats would only sit down and negotiate with him on

border security. democrats on the other hand say the shutdown could be over very quickly if the president would agree to sign bills to reopen government and then push off the argument over border security for another day. those are the two positions that the two sides are going into this important meeting in the situation room this afternoon with. and unless there is some sort of tectonic shift or massive capitulation by one side or the other it's likely those are the positions they will come out with and we will be no closer to a deal. the latest argument, made by the president earlier this afternoon deciding ceremony for a bill that had to combat human trafficking, will help curb human trafficking, not allow criminals to simply drive people across the border. listen to what the president said. >> president trump: we have to get the politics out of this, and go back to common sense. they say it's a medieval

solution. it is, it worked then and it works better now. israel put up a wall. >> it might be immediate evil, the president says -- medieval but it works he says. some republicans begin to worry about the political impact of federal workers not getting paychecks on friday, the president went up to capitol hill a short time ago, to calm nervous republicans. hold them you know you're worried about this politically but i have my heels dug in and i need you to stay with me. much better position than the democrats are. >> president trump: we have tremendous republican support. i don't think the democrats have great support. they know we need border security, we need to have people stop being killed in a border, and the democrats are losing a lot of support. >> at this point at least there's very little chance that the president would aside to the

democratic demands to reopen government now, and then negotiate on border security later. shep, he's probably got a pretty good idea if he reopens government now, government will open. but then he will get nothing on border security later. >> shepard: democrats insist he'll get nothing on the wall period. we're looking at the west wing, waiting for it to end and expecting, really, that both sides, possibly, might come out and speak to the cameras. what are you hearing about president trump's possibility, i guess he's leaving open the possibility of declaring a national emergency. >> as you pointed out at the top, likely it's not a trigger he's going to pull not in the near term. he wants to try and do it through negotiation. he thinks that his position gets increasingly better as this drags on. a lot of federal workers are democrats, and if they don't get paid on friday may start to put pressure, he believes, on their democratic members of congress, in the senate, to say is it really worth it us not getting paid, holding out in the border

barrier. that is the president's calculation. the democrats are dug in, though, and if they continue to dig in, i don't know what his threshold will be. but he said it would be, if he believes that he can't get a deal from the democrats, he may pull the trigger on a national emergency declaration. then try to get the military to build a wall. you can bet your bippy that that will end in an instantaneous legal challenge and most likely in a district that is in the ninth circuit court of appeals. >> shepard: bippy betting begins presently. >> it does. >> shepard: the president says his support in congress is strong and the republican party as he put it totally unified. but can that last, if the folks back home start missing paychecks? the pressure could build and quickly. what's happening in congress? mike emanuel reporting live on capitol hill. >> shep, good afternoon. lisa murkowski of alaska talked to reporters after that luncheon, she said there are

consequences of the partial government shutdown, and people are starting to feel those consequences. she says the president's message was he needs republicans to remain unified, something mitch mcconnell said is the case at least at this point. mcconnell urging democrats to sit down with the white house and have serious talks. >> i cannot urge my democratic colleagues more strongly to get past this purely partisan spite. rediscover their own past positions on border security and negotiate a fair solution with the president to secure our nation and reopen all of the federal government. >> on the other side of the capitol, long-time house democrat expressed frustration, saying republicans should have addressed this issue last year. >> this is not the way i had hoped we would start the new congress. essentially, cleaning up the mess that my republican friends left us from the last congress.

but we are what we are. and this is an emergency. >> house democrat putting individual funding bills on other departments of the government that are shut down, hoping that may work in terms of getting them across the finish line. senate majority leader mcconnell is not itted in that piecemeal approach. >> shepard: what are we hearing from some of those who are trying to take some sort of a deal? >> well, very close white house ally in the senate says while this is uncomfortable and quite difficult for the families of furloughed federal workers, but he says this may create a unique opportunity for a deal. >> we can reimburse the federal worker, and i know it's going to be inconvenient and financial hardship, i hate that. this is the best chance i've seen to force a solution to border security. and other things. my goal is not to reopen the government. my goal is to fix a broken immigration system and stop the flow of drugs and crime into the country.

>> a moderate senate democrat says part of the problem is figuring out what the president would be willing to accept. he says he believes that the bottom line is the president is trying to keep the gop unified. >> i don't know whether any hearts or minds were changed by the president's address last night. it seemed to me to have a very small audience, likely republicans in congress. >> both sides sound like they're extremely dug in at this stage, with lawmakers suggesting this could last a while. >> shepard: ike emmanuel, live from capitol hill. the supreme court justice ruth baser ginsburg is missing for the third straight day recover ing from cancer surgery. we don't know when she's expected to return. she's fought cancer before but had never missed a day. not one day of argument in her 25 years on the bench. last month, sur johns said they removed cancerous growths from her left lung, spotting them after she fell and broke her ribs.

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>> shepard: the white house where the president is meeting with top congressional lead percent the proposed border wall and getting the government open. the president says he wants a wall or vated thing or something like. that the democrats say we aren't going to have that, sorry. there's the impasse. how you come to anything, smiling guy in the foreground might wonder, is anybody's guess. [laughing] meanwhile the big news out of the justice department, sources telling fox news the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein is leaving. he oversaw the special counsel's russia investigation until november when president trump

appointed matt whitaker. sources say rosenstein always intended to serve but two years and that's coming up. catherine herridge is live in washington. >> department officials tell us he wants to ensure a smooth transition for the incoming attorney general william barr,s who senate confirmation hearings are scheduled next week. the white house characterized rosenstein's departure as civil. in addition we saw rod rosenstein leaving his home in suburban washington, he did not answer ropters questions. -- reporters questions. he always believed heed e do the deputy job for two years, approach bug not without controversy. house republicans closed out the probe into fbi and doj actions during the campaign last month and singled out rosenstein failing to come to the hill and answer questions under oath about his role in alleged surveillance abuse during the campaign. after the former top lawyer for the fbi, james baker, backed up accounts broken by that

rosenstein secretly discussed invoebing the 25th amendment and secretly recording the president after the president fired director comey. a source close to rosenstein said they were misunderstood and sarcastic. news from the powerful judiciary committee who said he will do a deep dive on the allegations and expects rosen style to be part of that. for context, the justice department inspector general already has an investigation underway on that issue, shep. >> shepard: and catherine, the president's new pick to lead the justice department is up on the hill today? >> right, a handful of senators met with william barr, the nominee for attorney general, this morning with reporters getting a readout on how he'll handle the special counsel report when it's final and other issues. >> i asked mr. barr directly do you think, bob, mr. mueller is on a witch hunt, he said no. when the report is handed over to you what do you intend to do with it? go through the process of what i

can share with the congress and the public, erring on the side of transparency. >> it's going to be big hearings next week, tuesday, and wednesday. not only the special counsel issues, related to surveillance, but then also his plans for the justice department and immigration of course in light of the wall debate. >> shepard: catherine, thank you so much. >> welcome. >> shepard: fox news senior judicial analyst, judge napolitano. this is normal? >> yes, when barr's name was mentioned last month, he said i'll accept the nomination but only if i can bring in my own senior team. very normal for a new attorney general to do. >> shepard: and then the manafort business, not normal. >> not normal at all. >> shepard: we have now -- we know that the prosecutors are saying that they have evidence that paul manafort gave stuff to the russians. explain that. >> the government, the prosecutors accused paul

manafort of lying to fbi agents in vie lakes of his guilty plea to cooperate with them. and they filed their allegation of the lies under seal, don't know what they were. paul manafort's lawyers filed their answer and they forgot to seal part of it. and the part they forgot to seal was that the fbi accused paul manafort of lying about whether or not he gave confidential campaign polling data at the height of the campaign to a russian oligarch who the fbi has identified as a source for russian intelligence. >> shepard: a putin man? >> yes. this shows that bob mueller can demonstrate to a court without the testify of paul manafort that the campaign had a connection to russian intelligence and the connection involved information going from the campaign to the russians. the question is, was this in return for a promise of something from the russians, and did the candidate, now the president, know about it. >> shepard: and would that be conspiracy? >> yes, conspiracy is an fremont

to commit a crime. the crime would be to receive something of value from a foreign person, or government, during a campaign. whether or not the thing of value arrives, the agreement is what is the crime. there was apparently an agreement between the campaign's manager and this russian oligarch. what the oligarch did with the tern we gave him, who the campaign manager manafort spoke to in the campaign, bob mueller yet to reveal. >> shepard: it's a curious lie, i guess you won't want to give up that you handed things over to putin's man. >> especially with the president's ad nauseum no collusion with the russians. >> shepard: collusion isn't a crime, this would be collusion. >> the crime is conspiracy, the agreement. collusion is a nonlegal -- >> shepard: i know. if there's a collusion, giving stuff to the russians about polling data. >> would fit into that. paul manafort was convicted, of his financial crimes, the president said big deal, six years before he worked for me.

this event that has been outlined in these court papers occurred during the campaign, during the summer and fall -- da summer and spring of 2016. >> shepard: we know there's a lot we don't know from mueller. we know that mueller, to your knowledge and all of our reporters knowledge, has not done any leaking. this is a big screwup on manafort's lawyers part. >> yes, yes. such a screwup that the man fort people have decided not to challenge this allegation of a lie, meaning there's not going to be a hearing about what the fbi says he lied about, and why he says it wasn't a lie. which translated means going to be sentenced to the maximum not the minimum that he thought he was negotiating for when he answered his guilty plea. >> shepard: manafort complaining about prison conditions right now, it's not going to get better. >> i doubt it. >> shepard: thank you, judge. an american navy veteran behind bars at this moment in iran and we don't know why. but what we do know about him

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they got together in the house and with the president, and said all right, let's do this. let's have separate bills to open certain parts of the government to get things up and running. and it's four separate bills. they have numbers there, it's boring. here are the specifics that are not. these bills would reopen the financial services department, it would fund the department of transportation so that they can get the money flowing there, they would get money to the department of housing and urban development, and they would get money flowing toward agriculture and rural development, and specifically the food and drug administration. so four bills, hr246, hr264, 265, 266, and 267. and that would be a compromise, that they can get support for and there's a smiling guy in front of the white house, one of our types waiting. what we have just learned the four bills ready to go,

bipartisan support, we can get financial services, department of transportation, housing and urban development, food and drug administration, critical things for life, get them back up and funded, get the people in those areas back up and working, make sure they get a paycheck friday. all done, bipartisan, republicans and democrats, all good to go. they can pass it and we're ready. the white house said no. the white house said, and i quote, moving these four bills without broader agreement to address the border crisis that should be in quotes, is unacceptable. the administration looks forward to working with congress for adequate appropriation to address the crisis on the southwest border, arguebly of their own making, gets the entire federal government back to work for the american people as soon as possible. then it said, if these four bills are presented to the president, his advisors would recommend that he veto the bills. that's from the executive office of the president, off of

management and budget in washington. they have these four bills ready to go, bipartisan support, republicans say yes. democrats say yes. debt's reopen financial services, reopen department of transportation, reopen housing and urban development, get money going to agriculture, rural development, money going to the food and drug administration, limit's get all of those presumably hundreds of thousands of people back up and working. so that they have get a paycheck friday like they're supposed to, pay the light bill, pay the mortgage, be able to, you know, do what they need to do for the kids, pay for it as they always thought they would be. the white house says no. and in essence, the answer is, we want our wall. we want our border qualified. -- border wall like we promised, though we promised the mexicans would pay for it, this is not keeping a promise, even if they were to get it which the democrats say they won't, would not be keeping a promise. we remember the promise, how can we forget it, i we heard it for a move sundays, hundreds of

times, we're going to -- whash we going to build? a wall. who's going to pay for it? mexico. that was the promise. that promise is long broken, mexico isn't paying for it. the president says mexico really will pay for it, we have a trade deal and that trade deal is going to kind of mean it's a tantamount to the mexicans paying for it. which it isn't. and, b, there is no deal that's done. that deal is not done. that deal is talked about, individual parties have come together, but it's not done. ball games it's with canada and mexico and that deal is done. that doesn't pay for anything. it's the president who wants the wall. his base widely supports the idea of a wall or a border barrier, whatever the semantics are, we know what they're talking about. the country as a whole does not support it. the polls are clear. the country as a whole does not support it. the president's base does. but the country as a whole does not. and the president said, i will own this shutdown, it is mine,

carry the mantle for it, i am proud to own the shutdown. the president owns the shutdown by his very own statements, when he shut the government down he said i own this and he owns it. and now, in a bipartisan way, republicans and democrats on capitol hill have come together, they say they have bipartisan support, and right now as it turns out, at this moment, i've just learned, right now they're debating this on capitol hill, expecting passage of all of these four bills within one hour. they're debating it, it's 3:30 on the east coast, expecting by 4:30 they will have all four of these bills passed. again, these bills would be crucial for families at home. crucial for government business. the departments of financial service, department of transportation, the department of housing and urban development, the food and drug administration. agriculture needs, rural development needs, all of the hundreds of thousands of people who work there if these bills

pass and are signed into law, then those parts of the government would reopen and here's the live debate. they're debating right now. they say, we're debating because that's what you do on capitol hill, you have a debate. you get people to come up and say how they feel. but they count votes before they take votes. and the people who count the votes say yes we have the votes. yes we have bipartisan support. are republicans for it, yes. are democrats for it, yes. the leaders in washington are for it, except the president says moving these four bills without broader agreement to address the border crisis is unacceptable, they want to work with legislation that adequately addresses security and the humanitarian kras crisis and gets the federal government up to work as soon as possible. when the democrats couldn't get him to reopen the government, they along with their republican counterparts, said let's try to get these parts reopened, get these parts back to work, get this money flowing. so that the families and workers have the money that they've been

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paychecks. and what that means in their lives is tragic in terms of their credit rating, paying their mortgage, paying their rent, paying their car payment, paying the children's tuition and the rest. the president seems to be insensitive to that. he thinks maybe they can ask their father for more money. but they can't. they can't. and we think that the collateral damage that he is causing by, well, i'm going to yield to the leader to talk about that. i would say this, if you don't understand financial insecurity, then you would have a policy that takes pride in staying i'm going to keep government shut down for months, for years. unless you totally free to my position. >> unfortunately the president got up and walked out. he asked speaker fellowsie, will you agree to my wall. she said no. he just got up and said then we have nothing to discuss and he

walked out. we saw a temper can trum, he couldn't get his way and walked out of the meeting. i asked him, to open up the government. that tomorrow so many people will have trouble paying their mortgages, paying their bills, dealing with situation when is they don't get paid. and i said just why won't you do that, we'll continue to discuss, discuss anything. and he said, if i open up the government you won't do what i want. that's cruel. that's callous. and that's using millions of innocent people as sort of pawns. and it was wrong. few minutes later he slammed the table and when leader pelosi said she didn't agree with the wall he walked out and said we have nothing to discuss. he said it was a waste of his time.

that is sad and unfortunate. we want to come to an agreement. we believe in border security, we have different views, we have offered the president our proposal, which has sat on his desk for several weeks. this was really, really unfortunate. in my judgment, somewhat unbecoming of a presidency. >> did he mention he was going to declare a national emergency? >> he didn't talk about that. what i will say is that one of the obstacles that we have to an agreement, is the stipulation of facts. what the president is claiming to be the situation at the border, is not solved by a wall. and we have been for border security. we take our oath to defend the american people very seriously. and we fake suggestions about how we can do it better than a wall in recognition of what the challenge is there.

from an immigration and drugs, et cetera, coming into the country. and so that's what is sad. so i said to him, mr. president, the evident of what is happening, does not support the crisis that you describe. and therefore the solution that you suggest. we have a better idea how to keep our country safe. it isn't a wall. >> what is the breaking point here? >> before you ask more questions, i want to make a point. this is not a partisan difference, this is policy difference. and i suggested in the white house, in the situation room, in the last meeting, that every time we have a policy difference shutting down the government is the wrong thing to do. it is taking hostages to accomplish your objective and hurting people in the process. i have a list of six senators and the chairman of the homeland

security committee in the house of representatives, i'm only going to read you one. michael mccall, from the state of texas. you have to understand, too, that a 30 foot concrete wall is a very expensive proposition. and there are a lot of other things we can be doing technology-wise to make it a smart border that's more effective and cost efficient. that is michael mccall, republican chairman of the homeland security commit any the house of representatives. this is not a partisan difference, this is a policy difference. and it is unacceptable to put 800,000 people at risk, 38 million people on food stamps, millions of people who are expecting to get a refund on their taxes, people who want to use the national parks, people who want to get farm assistance in the farm bill. that's why we have four bills on the floor that we're going to send to the united states senate. i want to read you one more

quote. of course not, when asked do you think you should shut down government. of course not he said. remember me? i am the guy that gets us out of shutdowns. it's a failed policy. mitch mcconnell, mitch mcconnell, 2014, cnn. it is a failed policy and we ought to stop it. [all asking questions] >> shepard: the speaker, the leader, and stenny hoyer, explaining what just happened. according to their account of things, it's the wall or the hall for the president. he chose the hall. you heard nancy pelosi say, maybe he thinks people can just ask their dad for money, obvious reference to the president's history. then chuck schumer brings what you we were discussing, then stenny hoyer brings up the four bills that they're passing through the house, and debating

in the house, sending to the senate, we'll see what happens. the president has said, listen to, this right as they were coming out, i mean nancy pelosi had not just yielded to the gentleman from new york yet, when we got a tweet from the white house, the tweet is in, they beat the tweet by 30 seconds, just left a meeting with chuck and nancy, a total waste of time. i asked what's going to happen in 30 days if i quickly open things up. are you going to approve border security which include as wall or steel barrier? nancy said no. i said bye-bye. nothing else works. so the president was in the meeting and the president now agrees that apparently, with what the leaders just said there, with what nancy pelosi, the house speaker and chuck shooem schumer said, we were in a meeting there and president said you going to fund my wall and nancy said no. because the democrats have always said no to the wall. when the president said we're going to build a wall and mexico

is going to pay for it, then democrats were against it. and now, mike pence is speaking. here's another group, the other side, and away we know. >> what came of the meeting? >> vice president -- [all asking questions] >> wasn't me, wasn't me. >> shepard: can you wait a minute, mr. vice president, we're ready here, any time you'd like to speak, we're ready to hear you. >> is it true the president walked out of the room? >> thank you all for coming out. we'll make a few brief remarks and happy to answer a few questions. we just ended a very short meeting in the situation room, the president invited the republic and and democratic

leadership to capitol hill. because we are facing not only a partial government shutdown but we are also facing a humanitarian and security crisis at our southern border. this past week the president and i and these leaders met on two separate occasions, all those in the room directed staff to spend the entire weekend working over proposals, at the president's direction, incorporated democrat ideas and language in our proposal and made an offer to resolve this impasse and address the crisis at our southern border. and today, in this brief meeting, we heard once again that democratic leaders are unwilling to even negotiate to resolve this partial government shutdown or address the crisis at our southern border. they demanded once again that before any negotiations could begin, that we would have to

agree to reopen the government. the president called the question in the meeting, he asked speaker pelosi, if he opened things up quickly if he reopened the government quickly, would she be willing to agree to funding for a wall or a barrier on the southern border. when she said no, the president said goodbye. now, i know there's going to be millions of americans, hundreds of thousands of federal workers, that are as disappointed as we are that the democrats are unwilling to engage in good faith negotiations. but the american people know we face a serious humanitarian and security crisis at our southern border. and this president, our entire administration working with these republican leaders, is going to continue to drive forward to bring about the kind of reforms that well see the safety and security of the american people. what the president made clear

he's going to stand firm to achieve his priorities to build a wall, a steel barrier on the southern border, at additional personnel, resources, additional reforms to stem the crisis that we face on our southern border. and we're very grateful for these republican leaders here and others that were gathered with us for their support. >> i want to clarify a few things. as i just listened to senator schumer, he complained that you had cameras in the meeting. i think we need to bring them back. what he described the meeting to be was totally different than what took place. we entered the room, the president, again, calling all of the leaders together to solve this problem. he even brought candy for everybody. he started off talking a little bit about wanting to get this solved, even spoke last night saying 45 minutes, he said i

think we can do it in ten. i want to turn the floor over, the president said, to speaker pelosi and schumer. tell us what offer you have. because we all had in our hands from the weekend work with the vice president, every office had staff there, about where we were. the different offers, the increases of the work that you have done to secure this border, so he turned to speaker pelosi. again, to argue whether we have a crisis, or whether facts are true. turned to schumer, again, who said we just have to open the government up. the president would go back and forth in a negotiation. and very respectful way. schumer continued to raise his voice. the president then turned to the speaker, politely asked her, okay, nancy, if we open the government up in 30 days could we have border security? she raised her hand and said no,

not at all. the president calmly said i guess you're still not wanting to deal with the problem. the president wants to solve this problem. that's why he continues to bring us down. that's why he has put offers on the table. not once have the democrats offered anything back. the entire time i've been in these meetings, they want to just argue so people can't present facts. they want to argue and debate what comes across the southern border. people are hurting. and as i've said before i will work with anyone that wants to move america forward, wants to secure our border. this is the goal that everybody in that room, every democrat said in the room they're for border security. you ask me what american believes border security does not have some form of a barrier. it's only the democrats sitting in that room have i ever found, and the way they have displayed and the behavior is embarrassing to me.

and the way to come out, to this floor, and talk about a meeting in a manner that did not take place in there, is disturbing to me. i want to solve this problem. people are hurting so i tell the democrats get back into the room. let's not leave, let's solve this problem, just as the president said it doesn't even take 45 minutes. we're here and we want to work. [all speaking at once] >> leader mccarthy, i think, described it very accurately. we all came to this meeting, i heard the president say last night that this could be solved in 45 minutes. and i had hoped coming to this meeting that's what was going to happen, we were going to sit down and democrats were going to negotiate in good faith and we were going to come up with a resolution. and they obviously had not moved an inch and haven't moved an inch. they have accused the president of not being willing to negotiate with the president but the president is more than willing to negotiate.

you had the vice president here the last two weekends meeting with members, members of staff, trying to move the ball down the field and get us on a path to get a solution. and the answer today to the president's question, and that is exactly how it was phrased, that is speaker pelosi, if i were to open up the government today, 30 days from now would you support any funding for border security. for a wall. she said no. and i think the president clearly interpreted that as he rightly should have, as clear evidence the democrats have no interest right now in trying to solve a problem, they clearly went the political issue. >> where do you go from here mr. vice president? >> well, first of all i thought the president was very calm in trying to continue to put different options on the table to solve the serious crisis at our border. last night he laid out some of the problems and challenges that we're facing as country. and how we can get a solution. today what he did is start to

offer some more ideas. and, look, our teams worked over the weekend, we can talk about terms all day long. at some point the other side has to put a counteroffer on the table. no is not a valid answer if you're serious about solving this problem. as the president started off laying out not why he wants 5.7 billion but why the experts who are tasked with securing our nation have said it's going to take 5.7 billion dollars to secure the border and deal with the crisis including building a wall, when nancy pelosi, her only answer was to say she'd support a calendar. dollar. the american people watching this shutdown, the families missing paychecks this week, it's not fair to them to jokingly say you're going to offer only a dollar to solve this problem. when you haven't given any serious credible counteroffer. the president's laid out many different options of the president has said he'll change the definition of a wall to work with democrats. he'll move off of the number, even sent the vice president

down weeks ago to offer a negotiation that would involve a lower number than what the national security experts said, and not one single time have the democrats offered a counter other than to say a dollar. so, today, when the president and by the way nobody slammed their hand on a table. to mischaracterize the things that happened in that meeting, is not fair to this process. but at the same time, when the president looks at nancy pelosi and said if i give you another 30 days, will you be willing to support some funding for a wall to secure the border and she says no, not well maybe a little bit more than a dollar, not some serious counteroffer, but flat out no, that's not an acceptable answer to a serious crisis at the border. where we're seeing people dying, we're seeing the drugs pouring in. the family is a cross the nation that are being touched in a very negative way by the drugs and

the opiods. when you see paychecks being missed and there's a quick way to solve this problem, and not once have the democrats offered a single counteroffer. the president has offered multiple times to negotiate in good faith and the democrats haven't given one counteroffer. that's not an acceptable answer. they need to come back to the table with a serious, credible alternative. >> will he declare a national emergency? >> i just want to add, i think the department of homeland security, i'm sorely disappointed. this is a crisis, it is a humanitarian crisis, it is a security crisis. and the reality is that walls work. everywhere we have put up a wall illegal immigration has been reduced 90 to 95%. you want to stop the snug ling between ports of entry you need a wall. stop the human misery, you need a wall. we have addressed the ports of entry, the is a president worked all weekend with congressional staff, we came up with an offer

that would secure the ports of entry by checking every single vehicle for drugs. but the criminals also come between ports of entry. it's not an or, it's an and. we need security at the worts of entry and -- we need security at the ports of entry and between the ports of entry. this is a crisis. it's up to the congress to take the leadership that the vice president and the report taking and fishgs this on behalf of all americans. fix it. >> the president is standing firm on his demand for a border wall. how is that compromise? 800,000 federal workers are not getting a paycheck on friday. people whose job it is to protect us. what do you say to them? >> i'd say to every american that this president and this administration takes very seriously our solemn obligation

to do what's necessary to protect the american people and uphold our laws. the offer that we put at the president's direction on the table, the offer that was in front of democrat leaders again today, in the situation room, represents a combination of approaches. certainly there's the president's wall, a steel barrier on the southern border, that the president put his number on the table. but we've also added additional resources for personnel, additional reforms, humanitarian assistance, changes in asylum laws, some of which was informed by the earlier discussions with democrat leaders. we've been working in good faith over the last three weeks to resolve not just this partial government shutdown, but to address what is an undeniable crisis at our southern border. even the "washington post" called it a bona fide emergency. we have 60,000 people a month being apprehended at our borders

and two-thirds of them are now families and unaccompanied minors. not a situation that our border patrol system was ever designed to deal with. and so we need reform, we need changes, we need a wall, a physical barrier, but what i think what has to be distressing, to 800,000 federal workers and tens of millions of americans, is the answer in all of this, from the democrats, we will not negotiate. [all asking questions] >> mr. vice president, how does it help that the president walked out of the room, how does that get you closer? >> i think the president made his position very clear, that there will be no deal without a wall. there will be no deal without the priorities of the president he's put on the table. but if you can look at the proposal, that the president

directed us to offer this weekend after spending two days with senior staff, two meetings with leadership, it reflects democrat priorities as well. frankly, as we continue to hear about the idea that the congress and i know there will be votes tomorrow, that the house will take up bills to open portions of the government, and the president literally called the question, he said if i opened the government quickly would you agree to border security and a wall. the speaker of the house said no. and at that point i think the president thought there was no longer any reason to be talking at this meeting. but as we said afterwards and we had conversations with the leaders before they left, we hope they will come back to the table. i'd say to every american looking on, who shares our frustration, call our congressman, call your senator, if you think the democrats should be negotiating in good faith, to resolve this partial government shutdown and to

address the humanitarian and security crisis at the southern border, then call your congressmen, call your senator, tell them come back to the table. i will tell you the door at the white house is wide open, we're ready to sit down with these leaders and democratic leaders. and resolve this issue. [all speaking at the same time] >> my question to you is democrats, democrats said the president was slamming his hand on the table and that he walked out. can you talk about, can you categorize what the president did in the meeting? also are we any closer than using a national emergency declared? >> well, the president walked into the room, passed out candy. it's true. i don't -- i don't recall him ever raising his voice or slamming his hand. but this is a president who feels very strongly about his

commitment to see to the security of the american people. he brought the whole issue of illegal immigration to the center of the flat debate when he sought this office. we saw a decline in illegal immigration at our southern border in our first year in office. but the reality is because of the lack of reforms, because of the lack of a wall, because of the loopholes in our laws today, we are now seeing a precipitous rise in families and unaccompanied children being driven by human traffickers and cartels, individuals who are exploiting vulnerable famililies, encouraging them to make the long and dangerous journey up the peninsula. you could hear the president say this is a crisis of heart and soul, he feels this passionately. and he left the room today because speaker nancy pelosi said even if he gave her what she wanted she would never agree to the border security priorities that we have on the

table. that was unacceptable. right here. >> mr. vice president, is the president -- [inaudible] >> the president made it clear he's looking at that, he believes he has the authority to do it. but i think the president, the president's belief and i know it's the belief of these republican leaders as well. that congress should just do their job. look, politics is the art of the possible. i served in the congress for 12 years. now, i remember times when there were strong feelings on emotions. but eventually leaders came together, sat down with the president, often times in opposite mitt cal parties, heard each other -- political parties, negotiated agreement and moved forward. that's what the american people expect to us do today. when the speaker of the house comes to the table with the leader of the democrats in the senate, after we've made days of

good faith negotiations, with an offer on the table, and their only answer is they will not negotiate until we reopen the government. when the president says well if i gave you exactly what you are asking for, would you agree to border security and a wall and they say no, i think the american people deserve better. i think these leaders know the american people deserve better. and i can promise the american people this president, republicans in the house and the senate, are going to continue to stand firm until we get the resources and the reforms necessary to end the humanitarian crisis on our southern borders, to end the security crisis on our southern border. then and only then will we end this partial government shutdown. >> shepard: this was a campaign issue, the president campaigned for the wall, the democrats campaigned against the wall, the

democrats said there will never be a wall. the democrats won control of the house. and now the democrats say we will not fund the wall. and for now the government is shut down. until further notice. your world with cavuto starts now. >> neil: you know, this is why the rating service is saying, you know america, your aaa credit rating, we're reviewing that. we think this silliness on both sides of keeping the government closed, not knowing whether you'll push up against a debt ceiling, whether you have a budget process, it's worrying us. and we think we're going to have to take action if it doesn't improve and soon. america's pristine rating, the envy of the world, is in question as we become the laughing stock of the world. welcome, i'm knew cavuto, this is your world. what in the world is going on here. whether you are taking the side of nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. of the united states, leading