last year's words belong to last year's language and next year's words await another voice. we want to be your voice. good night, everybody. thanks for being with us on our base voyage. >> martha: good to see john mccain there thank you for making us number one. we are grateful to have you with us. our mission is to give you the straight story every night. here's tucker. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." there was a lot of drama on capitol hill today. democrats and the president continue battling over a border wall. yesterday, you probably saw, the house speaker nancy pelosi asked president trump to postpone his state of the union or have it somewhere else not in congress. shut down had created a security concerns. that was not confirmed by anyone who actually provide security but that's what you said. today, the president struck a blow of his own. he cancelled a congressional

trip abroad at the very last minute that pelosi was planning to take. fox chief national correspondent ed henry has been following every bit of this and he follows us tonight. christmas vacation, you will remember in hawaii and mere hours before her government jet was set to take off again before president trump dismissed today as a pricy public relations event. the latest squirmish between these two leaders yesterday as you noted pelosi tried to delay the president's state of the union for which she called security concerns that the secretary of homeland security quickly said did not really exist. yet today pelosi was said to use all kinds of government security for an official congressional trip to war zone in afghanistan as well as multi-day stops in egypt and belgium where the speaker would spend more taxpayer money on, yes, security but also hotels, cars, meals, you get the idea. in fact, there was a bus full of lawmakers that was headed from the capitol to joint force base andrews to meet a jet to take pelosi and the group overseas. her spokesman told us the speaker wanted to thank our men and women in uniform and

obtain what they called critical national security briefing on the front line. the president brought that bus to a screeching halt with a letter marked dear madam speaker he wrote due to the shutdown i'm sorry to inform you your trip to brussels, egypt and afghanistan has been postponed. we will reschedule this seven day excursion when the shutdown is over. among the grounded was adam schiff who was supposed to be on the trip with pelosi and complained this was what he called fifth grade conduct by the president. white house aides said this was not a tit-for-tat. the president says pelosi should stay in washington to negotiate oh and they say while the military aircraft has been put on hold it is pelosi's prerogative to fly commercial if she wants to. tucker? >> tucker: highly amusing. ed henry thank you very much. michelle richie a former press secretary for the policy communications committee. she joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. >> thanks, tucker, for having me. >> tucker: so the president described the speaker's planned trip to afghanistan and brussels and egypt as a

publicity stunt a p.r. move she reacted angry and said it was not. if it wasn't, what was it? what is her position on our continued presence in afghanistan. >> i think her mission was quite clear from what came from her staff. they were going to meet with nato officials in brussels and they were going to meet with our men and women in uniform and, look, it seems like this fight between godzilla and king kong is just going to go on for quite some time now. but i do think that it is a tit-for-tat and i think that this just exposes the president's lack of maturity when it comes to running our government. >> tucker: of course it was a tit-for-tat. obviously. >> right. >> tucker: it does raise, i think, a highly amusing one but it also raises a couple of real questions and i think it's worth talking about. what is the speaker's position on keeping trips in afghanistan? >> i don't know exactly what her mission is as far as keeping troops in afghanistan. >> tucker: isn't that a key question? >> that's more the president's decision more than the speaker's decision

on whether. >> tucker: why is she -- you make a solid point it is his decision. the congress really doesn't manage our foreign policy at all these days. so, if it's his decision, why is she going to afghanistan at public expense? >> um, i don't think that it was at the public expense. >> tucker: it was at public expense. >> i disagree this was a public relations move. first of all, public relations -- whether you have a p.r. event, the one thing you don't do is keep it a secret. this is not a p.r. stunt. >> tucker: okay. leaving that characterization aside, you just said that she doesn't have a role in deciding whether or not our troops remain in afghanistan. so why was she going there? >> why can't she go there? >> tucker: i'm not saying that she shouldn't. >> visit our men and women in uniform? why can't she go there and meet on the ground with some our officials. >> >> tucker: i'm not proposing that we bar her from doing it and she is not barred: what aircraft -- air force plane after the shutdown. >> the bigger question here, tucker, is what does this really do for the president? i think his decision.

>> tucker: that's not the bigger question, actually. the bigger question is should we keep troops in afghanistan? and no one seems interested in that. if that is an actual question. >> is he more interested in keeping our fellow workers from getting paid. that's what he is interested. in. >> tucker: right. i'm sure that's his goal. let me ask you though why shouldn't -- straightforward question once more. why shouldn't she stay in washington until this crisis is resolved? you just said it's very important that our federal workers get the salary they are due. so why shouldn't she stay here and work on it until that happens? >> well it, seems like acting like nancy pelosi was going over there for two weeks to lay on a beach. that's not what's happening. >> tucker: you already couldn't tell me why she was going there. we still don't know why she was going. >> one, i don't work for nancy pelosi but i can tell you the reason why her team says she was going was to thank our men and women in uniform. >> tucker: right, okay. but you are not answering my question which is if it is so important to end the shutdown and i think it probably is, why wouldn't she stay here until she

negotiates the end of a shutdown? >> i think that pelosi as well as schumer have had three opportunities put in front of the president for him to have funding for his wall. you remember in january of 2018, they offered him $25 billion, in february of 2018. >> tucker: i followed it. >> over 10 to 12 years. they gave him install the of 2.5 billion and still decided to shutdown the government. it's on him. he walked out of the office. he said bye-bye. >> tucker: what you are say something either he accepts their previous offers or the government remains shutdown forever? i'm confused as to what you are saying? there is no more negotiating to do? is that what you are saying. >> there is absolutely more negotiating to do it. >> tucker: why should she leave? >> she was leaving, tucker as you know as have you reported because she was going to brussels to meet with nato officials and afghanistan to thank our men and women. >> tucker: to thank our troops. >> i don't know how many times we need to say it. >> tucker: in the middle of a government shutdown that you say is hurting people but she doesn't want to stay and negotiate it because she

needs to, quote, thank our troops. >> she has absolutely stayed and worked with this president on multiple occasions. he got up from the table and left the office the last time they sat down and had a discussion. >> tucker: why would she be mad about this? it probably is fair probably she should stay. this isn't helping anybody the shutdown, i mean it why not stay and figure it out. now she has this bad idea to go to afghanistan to thank our troops who are serving in a war that she is not sure whether she supports or not. >> this is so pointless. >> tucker: it's totally real. >> it is real but it's annoying to me because we're sitting here talking about a woman taking a trip. she is not going now. we can all really just get over it what i would like to know is when this president is going to sit down with the democrats and reopen the government. >> tucker: i guess now. >> people are not getting paid. people that i know personally and people that i care about that are not getting their paycheck. >> tucker: i live here, too. isn't this a good thing? i'm not sure why you are complaining about it. now he can sit down with nancy pelosi because he has prevented her from leaving the country.

you applaud it? >> i don't applaud it because he did it as a tit-for-tat. is he immature. that's why he did it. >> tucker: but you are happy about the outcome but you don't like his motives? >> no. i definitely don't like his motives at all. i think his motivations are to build a wall that is pretty much, instead of make america great again he might as well to say to mexico if you are brown turn around. that's what the message is. >> tucker: i think you may have gotten your talking points confused. >> no talking points. straight conversation. >> tucker: talking points. brilliant. rochelle, thank you. federal shutdown continues. democrats coalesce around a rationale for continued opposition to a border wall. they are no longer telling you walls are too expensive. that was a laughable argument coming from the left they have given up. not telling you walls don't work because obviously they do. everybody knows that the probable they are now telling us, you just heard it, is that god doesn't like walls. they are immoral. as beto o'rourke noted the other day walls, quote,

ensure death. building the wall is the same as committing murder. democrat lamar of minnesota has been in congress a matter of weeks. already she strongly agrees with this. >> and i demand that the president end his temper tantrums and quest for a racist and sinful big wall. >> tucker: racist and xenophobic that's what walls are. once you understand that it does make you think there are an awful lot of walls in this country. now we know they are an offense against god, how can we let them stand? that's a real question for the city of el paso, texas. el paso is on the border right across from juarez, mexico. el paso was a calm and peaceful and great place. juarez is violent and chaotic. one of the most dangerous cities in the world. how can these two places exist side by side? simple. there is a wall between them. congresswoman veronica

escabar now represents the city of el paso. she just replaced beto o'rourke. she says it may be time to knock down that sinful wall. >> we know that walls don't work. that they don't stop drugs, that they don't stop migration. >> el paso has a wall. you say it doesn't work. would you ever call for the removal of the wall there? >> you know, it's really ugly. it is -- i think a monument to division. we have always had fencing along the u.s.-mexico border. it's existed -- i'm a lifelong resident it always was there the bigger and taller and you recallier that they get, they really just become simple. sinful. >> tucker: she is right. wall does divide. that's the point of having them. there are some things people would like to be divided from like endemic corruption and murderous drug cartels. how do you accomplish that without walls? well, nancy pelosi has been thinking about this

recently. here's her solution. >> and then we talk about technology, as i said, several hundred million dollars ranges from half a billion to $700 million for the technology to scan the cars coming through the ports of entry and that is to detect guns. it's like an electronic dog almost. detect drugs, guns, and other contraband. >> tucker: an electronic dog. of course, how obvious. it ways right there in plain sight and we missed it security in old fashioned mid evil terms, walls, fences, actual living dogs. but leave it to the congresswoman from our technology capital out in california to think a lot bigger than that you are looking at the solution of the future. an electronic dog. brilliant. the show is exclusively obtained a prototype of the speaker's digital canine. you are watching it right

now. just kidding. we pulled that off the internet. probably not so different from the real thing though. we will see. in the meantime let's take nancy pelosi and beto o'rourke and the entire editorial staffs on the other cable channels seriously for a moment. let's concede that walls are, in fact, inherently immoral, how do we respond once we have accepted that? we can't simply prevent donald trump from building a wall. that's not enough. we have got to do something about the countless walls of wickedness that degrade and pollute america's polar landscape. for example, the wall that keeps poor people out of barack obama's home in washington. the wall that protects george soros' place in south hampton. the wall at the pelosi compound in napa not to mention the wall around mark zuckerberg's estate in hawaii. think gated communities of brentwood the walls and gardens of brooklyn. level them all. all of them. make them flat. in fact, do it tonight for an angry god turns us all to pay larrs of salt for ignoring anti-wall. speaker pelosi, tear down

these walls. once have you done that turn the bulldozer of righteousness outward to the world. israel for example surrounded by walls on all sides. does indianapolis know that? would she withhold billions in military aid until their walls are gone? what's a moral question now. what's the answer? how about to your knowledge tund jordan? i would implicated in those walls. will we pay to take them down? how much do we really care about our souls? we contacted the speaker today to find out. she didn't reply. neither did the other democrats we called. it turns out they have no plan to eliminate anyone else's walls and certainly not their own. they just don't want a wall to protect america. they don't think our country deserves that yesterday a maathe "new york times" ran a wall. he demanded u.s. get rid of borders entirely. a billion people want to move here, so be it. it's not our right to keep them out. it's only our obligation to

pay for it that's the democrats' position. they are telling us that god agrees with them. mark morgan the head of the border patrol under president obama and he joins us tonight. mr. morgan, thanks very much for coming on. so to the new congresswoman, congresswoman escobar from el paso, i think it's a fair question. what would happen since walls are immoral if we removed the wall that separates el paso a great city from juarez, mexico? >> we would take a huge step backwards. again, i lived and worked in el paso for two years. >> tucker: yes. >> the drug cartels, we were able to almost eliminate the avenues that they have for all the things we have talked about before, drugs, human trafficking, illegal trafficking as well. and by doing that by building walls, we increase the border patrol's operational capability and stance to more effectively respond and stop bad things and bad people from coming. in nancy pelosi, i agree with her, the ports of entry, absolutely. by building a wall, for example, in el paso, what they did was increase the

border patrol operational capability and cut off that avenue and it funneled people to the ports of entry where we stand a better chance of interdicting. >> tucker: what's so interesting about el paso, you lived there, democrats want to make everything about border security or racial question. you heard a guest we just had saying you are racist if you are for a wall there is a wall separating el paso from the disaster right across the border. el paso is 80% hispanic. it's not a city. i have been there many times noted for racial tension. so, people of the same ethnicity living in the united states are supporting a wall and they are sort of happy to live there. so, like, there's no inherent racial component to any of this. unless i'm missing something, is there? >> it's even more outrageous from that in my opinion. instead of opinion, let's look at fact. the fact is huma county sheriff just got on this week and he talked about during his time there his deputies found and recovered over 100 bodies of people trying to enter the country

that died of exposure and other issues. we just heard tragic deaths of two kids, two children that died. they didn't die from the hands of americans. law enforcement. they died at the hands of the coyote making the trek without medical attention and nutrition. the united states border patrol not hundreds but they execute thousands of rescues every year of illegal aliens trying to enter the country other than points of entry. the wall takes that out of the way. the very people saying the rhetoric out there is treal strengthing the cartel's and exploiting harm and doing harm to the people they say they want to protect. >> tucker: bad people thrive in chaos. what we have now is chaos. when you hear beto o'rourke say constructing a wall will cause people to die, it's an act of murder to construct a wall, how do you respond to that? >> it's almost impossible to respond to that because it's not based in reality. it's not based in fact. again, they are not

listening to the experts. they just totally discount when the sheriff of huma county that's done this his entire life said we recovered 100 dead bodies. how does beto then say that the wall kills people? that's absolutely false. >> tucker: that we kill people. mark morgan, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> absolutely. >> tucker: well, magazine here in washington says it is time to impeach the president for general badness called upon the congress to do it. mark steyn read the piece. he suggested it and he will respond after the break. ♪ ♪ but when you have high blood pressure and need cold medicine that works fast, the choice is simple. coricidin hbp is the #1 brand that gives powerful cold symptom relief without raising your blood pressure. coricidin hbp.

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♪ ♪ >> tucker: well the atlantic magazine which used to be good before it became rigid and inflexible and uninteresting is leading the latest march issue with a piece calling on the congress to impeach the president because is he a bad guy funny democrats already agree with this they have been commanding impeachment for quite a while while now. >> do you still think the president should be impeached. >> absolutely. >> impeachment is not dead. one step closer to impeachment yesterday's resolution brought us one step closer. >> i will be dedicating 100 percent of my time, effort, and resources to one cause. working for mr. trump's impeachment and removal from office. >> tucker: john styer,

ladies and gentlemen, is he a much better person than you are. he has been calling for impeachment for long time. during the 2018 midterm campaign, democrats tried their best to mute that message. their leaders told the base be quiet, shhh, you don't want to scare people. no more talking about impeachment. we believe in democratic solutions to leaders we don't like they are still saying that sort of in public will they be able to keep the impeachment enthiewsists in their party under control? that's the question. mark steyn has been thinking about this quite a bit and he joins us tonight. mark, what did you make, since you are a long-time, long-time magazine writer and you read this piece what did you make of the argument it made for impeachment? >> well, first of all i agree of the statement of the diminished statement of the atlantic monthlily. i used to write for the atlantic a decade or so back. i'm not saying i'm one of their giants go back through

the years mark twain and lord molten and all kinds of great people writing for them. this thing goes wrong right from under the subheadline starting the process of impeachment will reign in a president with american ideals and debate into congress where it belongs. actually american ideals, american values, however you want to phrase it, those transdental values, they are the province of the people and that is the prerogative of the people not bureaucrats, administrators and pseudo-judicial process in washington. as for the debate about his fitness, bringing it into in congress where it belongs, no that too, his fitness for office, that, too, is in the gift of the people and we're teaching a very dangerous lesson here. basically they are not disputing that trump was

elected according to the lawful mechanisms of elections in the united states what they are say something they don't like the result of that election. you are teaching the people a very dangerous lesson there. you are saying that voting doesn't matter. and in essence, thereby, setting in motion essentially revolutionary conditions. if you tell people in a free society that your vote doesn't matter. >> tucker: i think you are absolutely right. i think there are leaders on the democratic side who sense that what you are saying is right. and there could -- they could be unleashing forces they can't control and might be hurting themselves. what do you think would happen politically if impeachment commenced? >> oh, i think it would be an absolute feesk. fiasco. one of the most deplorable trends in this country in the last few years is the attempt to actually criminalize opposition. basically this guy's piece is written in a

pseudo-scholarly, pseudo-judicial form. but it's full of what lawyers would call co con clues sear allegations that you are not allowed to make in a legal complaint. he used -- you called it general badness. he accuses trump of attacking the bedrock of american democracy. well, you know, that's the -- that's kind of fancy writing. but whats to that actually mean? there is not a -- there is no bedrock of american democracy. it's not down there by the fence in el paso and you take a pick ax to it. you can't actually litigate that you can revial this president. you can loathe this president. >> tucker: right. >> robert mueller has been investigating him for two years and has come up empty except for papadopoulos lying about a cocktail he had with the australian high commissioner to the united kingdom in a bar in london. that's after two years of this rubbish. >> tucker: s with t. was a

very dangerous cocktail though. mark steyn put it better than anyone i know. thank you. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: syria isn't the only military commitment america has abroad right now. our largest 14,000 troops remain in afghanistan. there are reports the president is considering withdrawing some or all of them is that wise? what should a policy toward afghanistan be? how does it effect our contest with china? our biggest rival? robert caplin has been more places than anyone i'm aware of. is he a senior fellow at the center for new american security and he joins us tonight. mr. caplin, thank you very much for coming on. >> it's my pleasure to be here. >> tucker: so you have written about afghanistan. thought about afghanistan a lot about afghanistan in your judgment what's the right course going forward? afghanistan? >> well, first of all, let's lay out some facts. the united states has been in afghanistan for 17 years. the troops being deployed there now were in diapers, literally, when we first went n october 2001.

we have no chance to militarily defeat the taliban. and we have little chance to leave behind either a self-sustaining democracy or even a self-sustaining very well-functioning enlightened take territoryship. all the trend lines are bad, it seems, unfortunately. and what we're sustaining at the moment is a moderate level of chaos where war lords, ethnic groups, compete with each other and if we pulled out, unfortunately, there would be a much greater level of chaos and, in fact, the regime might actually collapse in the way that the saigon regime collapsed in 1975. therefore, either this president or the next president, whoever, is going to face the choice of how to pull out of afghanistan. because the terrorist threat is still there, but the

question becomes is spending $45 billion a year there the right way to deal with international terrorism? because the iranians, the indians, the pakistani pakistan, the chinese all have strategic interest in afghanistan. we do not. our strategic interest there, and it's complicated to explain, we don't have time now are much, much less. so we're going to have to pull out under this president or the next one. >> tucker: so what you just said sounds right and it sounds like it's probably a conclusion that's been clear for a while. what does it say about our policymakers here in washington that nobody, that i'm aware of, is debating this at a high level in public anyway and that this has been allowed to persist in this kind of counter productive window for so long? >> yes. this is a classic case of where many people in washington, many thoughtful

people know what needs to be done but nobody dares utter it. remember, afghanistan is not syria. syria, you don't have gold star families where we have had 2300 soldiers killed as we have had in afghanistan. you don't have very esteemed general' reputation built around syria whereas in afghanistan we have had a number of very senior esteemed famous generals who have been commanders there. pulling out out of afghanistan would be politically much more difficult, i believe, for this president or any president than pulling out of syria. pulling out of syria domestically, politically is, a washington debate more or less. pulling out of afghanistan may become a national debate. >> tucker: i think that's right. mr. kaplan, thank you very much for coming on tonight and explaining that i appreciate it.

>> my pleasure. >> tucker: well, a prominent house democrat is hard to believe this, but is accused tonight of firing a staff member after that staff member made an alleys of rape. amazing. we have got details after the break. ♪ ♪ bold choice, charlie! just tear, eat... mmmmm. and go! try all of my chicken creations! chicken!

>> pretty amazing story not getting enough attention tonight. a house democratic staff is suing a democratic member of congress. the staff says she was fired for making an allegation of

rape. fox correspondent david was on this story tonight for us. david? >> tucker, as you were saying, disturbing allegations coming from a former employee of long time texas congresswoman sheila jackson lee. former employee claims she was raped by black caucus foundation employee and fired by jackson lee's office a after the employee planned to sue. the former jackson lee staff jane doe in a lawsuit filed last friday said a former intern coordinator for the caucus foundation named a man named damian jones. she is saying he raped her in 2015. jones was supervisor at the time. doe reported the alleged rape to authorities but the investigation was inconclusive when it came to evidence. well, when she went to tell authorities, fast forward to 2017, jane doe took a job with congresswoman jackson lee out of texas who became chair of the congressional black caucus foundation. jane doe found out that damion jones was also going to be working with her again and she reported to authorities that she had a prior situation with him. now, jane doe says that she

repeatedly reached out to congresswoman jackson lee who would not meet her. to be clear, we have reached out to damien jones mentioned in this lawsuit for comment. we have not heard back. we do have a statement from congresswoman jackson lee's office i want to read it in part it says quote the office adamantly denies the allegations that retaliated against her otherwise improperly treated the plaintiff. it is against office policy to discuss specific details about internal personnel matters. congresswoman sheila jackson lee has outstanding record of supporting civil rights and nondiscrimination both legislation in legislation and in her office. congressional accountability act protects congressional employees. the statement says jackson lee is confident when the facts come to light her office will be exonerated and the matter will be put to rest. tucker? >> tucker: her defense: i'm a good person. thank you very much for that. >> you bet. thank you. ♪

>> tucker: well, as america's opioid epidemic continues in some ways worsens a new feature is coming to a decaying metropolitan near you a safe injection site. rather than help addicts get off drugs, many cities are trying to create publicly funded areas where addicts can shoot drugs intravenously legally. denver just approved one. de blasio would like one in new york seattle has been fighting to open one for years. the question is will any of these sites, if they're opened, open up anywhere near the homes of the people hospital to build them? the answer is, of course, no. what is it like when one opens in your neighborhood? radio host joins us tonight raven. thank you very much for coming on. so this is one of those ideas that's been discussed for many years. it existed mostly in the realm of the theoretical. what happens when it becomes real? what's the effect of one of these sites? >> the effect is exactly what you probably think it is. it has the capacity to ruin neighborhoods went up to

vancouver and british columbia. i happened to be there on vacation. i decided let me go to the heroin injection site area. and it's devastating. you see lots of people who are living out on the streets with addiction that's clearly not being treated. i saw, you know, a drug deal going down when i was there which apparently is not supposed to happen when you have these heroin injection sites. it's just sad. and the debate has been, at least here in seattle, i'm assuming in denver soon, we don't want them necessarily in our neighborhoods. >> tucker: it also is sad -- this has been tried in europe. i believe this was tried in switzerland 20 years ago and it was stopped because it was too depressing. doesn't it suggest that municipalities are giving up on the people if we're not going to try to convince you to stop using heroin and give you treatment. we will let you do it until i guess you die? is that they are saying? what are they saying? >> it's an unfortunate reality. when they first started to talking about it and seattle was about saving people, right? it was about helping people who were addicted to heroin.

and then it started of to become okay, well, now it's just about making sure that when they do inject themselves with this deadly drug they don't die of an overdose which is something, you know, no one wants to see overdose deaths. i think. >> tucker: of course not. >> in some place a lot of these people's hearts are in the right place. a really safe way to deal with this is to get the person off of heroin. we can offer treatment on demand, which something that, you know, we have the money for it, in a state where the governor who desperately wants to be president. is he not going to be. he suggested $1.1 billion to save the orcas in the puget sound and saving the or cass very important. but he offered 30 million to deal with the opioid crisis. and it would feel more appropriate if maybe you switched those numbers around. >> tucker: right. that's for sure. >> human life is a little more valuable here. >> tucker: leaders are supposed to, need to care about the people they lead or else they can't lead effectively. is there a parent in the

world who upon finding out that his kid was using heroin do you think would say you know what? i'm going to get you clean needles, can you shoot up in your bedroom. i can't stop you but i want you to inject safely at home. would any parent i say that or would a parent say i will do whatever i can to help get you off it. >> parents who supported say they were a parent in that circumstance they would. when you talk to normal people and talk to the average everyday person, of course they don't want that to happen. i feel like if we're not going to do that with our own kids, perhaps we should not do that with other people's kids. i know it's difficult. i no he that it is expensive. and i know that when people are addicted to heroin, you know, they have to be in a place where they feel ready to overcome that addiction. handing them a needle shoot up here, we will supervise it. it's seattle it will be crazy. we will set the mood light rights. we have smooth jazz in the background. that's not an appropriate way to go about this. i would rather we spend

focus our energy on actual services to save them, to get them off of this drug. >> tucker: exactly. so nicely put it is difficult. it is complicated. but that's what you do when you care. and when you don't care, you do exactly what they are doing now. they don't care, do they? >> it's -- i don't want to say none of them care. right? i think there are some people whose hearts are in the right place. >> tucker: yes, i bet that true. >> a lazy way. it's just lazier. and i have been trying to think about why some people support this and i vice president really gotten a straight answer. some people who basically want to legalize heroin. there is a small group of people but there are folks in this community who are fighting for heroin injection sites who are of the opinion that you can live a normal life and have normal relationships and be basically a functioning addict. and i suppose that's certainly possible with some cases. but i don't think the risk is worth it and so you start talking to people. they just feel like it seems like they don't want to offend someone who is addicted and they want to be there when you are ready and

it's very emotional approach. again, i appreciate the emotion behind it, it's just doesn't work. that's how the conversation apparently, again, started we are saving people. okay. well how many people are actually getting off of their addiction and magically there is no data that they can sight. >> tucker: exactly. junkies don't feel anything. you can't be alive if you don't feel things. jason, thank you. it was really smart and interesting and helpful. appreciate. >> it thanks for having me. >> tucker: time for final exam. we have a pretty different kind of arrangement tonight. a special husband vs. wife edition. which member of the duffy family will take home the commemorative eric wemple mug find out after the break ♪ ♪

two cop tenders this evening have married each other. not tonight years ago. rachel campos-duffy regularly here on fox. her husband is a member of congress from wisconsin. congressman sean duffy and hopefully this will strengthen rather than divide their union. >> thank you. >> great to see you, too. >> tucker: plowing new ground here. >> excited to be part of that. >> tucker: we're excited too. you know the rules for the sake people watching at home. first contestant to buzz gets to answer the question. you must wait until finish asking it in order to answer. acknowledge by saying your name. each correct answer is worth one point. get it wrong we detract a point the cool math of final exam best of five wins. ready? >> ready. >> any chance to win it.

>> tucker: by the way winning doesn't actually get you a victory that's another show entirely. according to the rules named out by the national game show commission all of today's questions must be either about food or animals. we went with food. first question is this. multiple choice. please listen carefully. president trump says he doesn't care what lawmakers call the border and offered a food related suggestion which name did he suggest? was it a quarter pounder with cheese? b, pancakes, c, peaches? i think it goes by definition to your husband. i'm sorry. the judges have weighed in on this. >> i'm going to go with c. peaches. >> tucker: you are going to go in with c. peaches? >> whatever you want to call it is okay with me. they can name it whatever they can name it peaches. i don't care what they name it. we need money. peaches. >> peaches.

>> tucker: you both knew that. >> i did. i thought the question was over. >> tucker: you knew it too well. >> i did. >> all multiple choice have to be. >> tucker: wait until we finish asking the question. >> okay. >> tucker: we can do it this time. costco the store says it has sold out of a 27 tub of food that has a shelf life of 20 years. what type of food was it? >> that was not right i hit it first. >> it was macaroni and cheese. >> tucker: i think you have to hold it counsel. >> i hit it first for sure. >> tucker: it was macaroni and cheese. >> everybody loves macaroni and cheese. but now you can get 27 pounds. >> that's my voice that's how i knew it. [laughter] >> tucker: obviously need to invest in that. >> yes. >> tucker: i'm getting one myself. >> i'm a prepper. >> tucker: your official position on preparing is

that's crazy. question three. another multiple choice, okay. a world record was set this week for the most liked instagram photo ever. the picture doesn't feature a famous person or exotic places nearly 50 million likes. it's a plain boring photograph of, what? a, a banana, b, a lemon, c, an egg. congressman? >> i'm going to go with c, an egg. kylie jenner tweet the egg out? >> tucker: i have no idea. i'm not a member of congress. is it c, an egg? >> word record egg an account with that very name posted this single photo a picture of an egg. egg currently has 26 million likes. how does that -- >> tucker: either you live in this country your whole life and don't understand it. >> looks like egg commission that promotes eggs.

they need a bonus. >> tucker: paltrpull poultry love. question four. one last multiple choice. >> i'm winning though, right? it's 2 to 1. >> tucker: it's not for me to keep score our viewers are watching. chaos hit flagstaff monday when a tanker truck flipped over spilling which kind of liquid all over the highway a chocolate, b coffee, c beer. rachel? >> rachel: beer, c. >> was it c? beer? >> 3500 gallons that's how much liquid chocolate spilled in arizona interstate. a chocolate river they described it forming after a tanker carried. >> i knew i was losing. i figured beer. >> tucker: you doubled down. i admire that. >> she is from wisconsin so of course it's beer.

>> tucker: all right. full-time question. the clemson tigers invited to the white house for a candle lit feast to celebrate the recent victory over alabama. what type of food did the president serve the team? congressman duffy? >> i was there this morning. mcdonald's. food came i was there this morning. >> tucker: was it mcdonald's? >> we have pizzas, we have 300 hamburgers, many, many french fries. all of our favorite foods. i want to see what's here when we leave. i don't think it's going to be much. >> carlos owned the store. >> tucker: i want to say it wasn't exclusively we are hearing mcdonald's but mcdonald's was represented and you are right. you still win because mcdonald's, wendy's and we will call. >> i was going to say fast food. >> tucker: burger king it was ecumenical. >> carlos owns mcdonald's they gave the food to the

white house. >> tucker: impressive. >> there has been a shutdown. i have been home with the kids. of course he knows. >> tucker: really a victory for your family. pro-family on this show. i'm going a ward our eric wemple mennive mug to you. >> thank you, tucker. >> i went and watched the episode that you had with him on it was great. >> tucker: when i'm feeling sad sometimes i pull it up. it lifts me. >> or if you are on a shutdown. >> tucker: exactly, right. it's amazing. all right, that's it for this week's final exam. pay attention to the news all week. come back thursday to see if you can beat the experts. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ and i should have changed a long time ago. we're the tenney's and we're usaa members for life. call usaa to start saving on insurance today.

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♪ ♪ >> tucker: well, the host of "the view" are about the most rigid partisans on television, most of them anyway. you will never hear them criticize anyone faintly related to the dnc mothership. >> today they did go after a democrat believe it or not bill de blasio of new york. why did they do that? trace gallagher has the story. >> bill de blasio was on the show 8 minutes and used most of the time to boast about his progressive agenda new york city will guarantee healthcare for everyone including hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants. as expected, except for conservative meghan mccain de blasio got very little resistance until actress comedian and well known

liberal whoopi goldberg called the mayor out about bike lanes in manhattan. watch. >> so, i like all of that, that all sounds good. do you know what really pisss me off. >> what? i have never heard you pissed off before. >> no, you actually vice president. [laughter] ,. >> you built 83 miles of protected bike lanes,. >> goldberg's complaint adding bike lanes which is being done by liberal politicians across the country invariably leads to traffic gridlock. de blasio defended himself saying fewer car lanes means fewer fatalities. watch. >> slow down. >> what you -- you go through this city with a police escort. i come in every day. [laughter] >> i come in every day and i find that because you can't make a turn anywhere, you can't go straight anywhere when there is a storm people

can't move anywhere. >> you didn't hear there but the audience turned against the mayor. finally de blasio was asked if he is running for president in 2020 and he dodged the question. tucker? [laughter] >> tucker: i preach the increase in public urination since he has been in office. it's great. ♪ ♪ you probably know by now that your smart phone has a lot of functions and one of them is to spy on you full time on your personal life. it's not just tech companies who are tracking your every move. it turns out they're selling that data to other people. so now it's possible for virtually anybody to know everywhere that you go without your knowledge and get rich from it brett larson anchor at fox news headline 24/7 he has been investigating this for us and he joins us tonight. >> hey, tucker. it is yet another tale of the technology we love and rely on. turning over sensitive information without our consent. so, when your cell phone is on it is in constant

communication with nearby cell towers that way when you get a call or text or open up an email the signal you need is right there. one slight issue that data is selected by the mobile operators and it turns out some of them have been selling it and not to law enforcement but a variety of' cans like bail bonds men, car dealers and emergency roadside assistance. some of these companies that get the data they may be turning around and selling it again. which means if you have got someone's cell anybodiened numbd money can you find out realtime where that phone is. this isn't anything new. last year there were grumblings on capitol hill oregon senator widen sent subpoenas to the cell providers to get the situation under control. flurry of providers saying they put a stop to it here we are in 2019 and it's still happening. expwample last week from online site mother board they found with a little cash and phone number they were able to get location information of a user's phone.

within a few days of the report, all the major wireless carriers said they have stopped or they will stop selling your data with a few exceptions like those for safety reasons and roadside assistance probably nothing going to change for now. >> tucker: yeah, falls to ron widen of all people and good for him to keep abreast of this. so, let me ask a dumb question. when you sign up for one of these phones buy it, get the plan, is there any indication -- is there any way to know if you are an average person with bad eyesight they are going to be selling your data. >> there is no way to know. all of this stuff so far has not been an opt in situation. you are not getting a message that says hey, we are about to tell somebody exactly where your phone is, are you okay with this. >> all the carriers said yeah, they are supposed to be doing that if they're not doing that they are in violation of our agreement. but, they are still telling -- they are still selling the data and people can get their hands on it. >> tucker: i don't know why i'm laughing it's

horrifying. >> oh my gosh, what do we have to do to make this stop? >> tucker: worse than you think it is always. thanks for proving that brett larson good to see you. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: be back tomorrow night 8:00 p.m. the show that's the sworn enemy of lying pomposity and group think. good news for you four seconds early turning over to our friend sean hannity. >> sean: all right, tucker, great show as always. welcome to hannity. what a great day this has been. in the middle of a partial government shutdown speaker nancy pelosi, she was all set to leave on a jet plane. well, actually a u.s. military plane on your dime embark on a 7-day excursion with other democratic members of congress. that is until president trump pulled the plug in a letter. the president wrote nancy pelosi due to the government shutdown i'm so sorry continue to form that you your trip to brussels and egypt and afghanistan has been postponed. we will reschedule this 7-day excursion when the shutdown is over. in