barry manilow, his first number one single with "mandy" on this date 44 years ago. he started as a jingle writer in the 60s and became bette midler's piano player, going on tour with her getting to perform his own songs during the intermission's. that led to a gig as dionne warwick's opening act, then came "mandy" kicking out a string of more than 20 hits on his legions of "fanilows" ." thanks for joining us, "outnumbered" starts now. >> harris: fox news alert, though it has is pushing back again. just a short time ago, over and excluding high-stakes back-and-forth between the president and house speaker nancy pelosi. as both sides accuse the other of partisan games, and refusing to negotiate over border while funding and the partial government shutdown. around and around we go. you are watching on a fine friday, "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. with me, melissa francis. are you with me? >> melissa: go friday, go

friday! >> lisa: i can't do that, the don't like it was too good! >> harris: fox news contributor, jessica tarlov. matt schlapp, chairman of the american conservative union and former white house political director under george w. bush. hello. >> matt: hello, good to be here again. >> harris: gray tabby. we have an lot to get to. >> matt: not much news! [laughter] >> harris: we will start with this. new fallout after president trump denied speaker pelosi's use of a military aircraft yesterday for a trip to afghanistan with the congressional delegation. a codel, as they call them. just minutes before they were scheduled to depart yesterday. this come after pelosi called for the president to delay his state of the union address, citing concert security concerns amid the shutdown. president trump today tweeted this -- "why would nancy pelosi leave the country with other democrats on a seven-day excursion when 800,000 great people are not getting paid? also, could somebody please explain to nancy and her "big donors" in one country that

people working on farms -- grapes -- will have easy access in." now, a spokesperson for nancy pelosi is accusing the white house of endangering members of congress and even members of the military, writing -- "the state department provided an updated threat assessment detailing of the president announcing this sensitive travel has significantly increased the danger to the delegation and to the troop security and other officials supporting the trip." a short time ago, senior white house official told fox news, "the idea we would leak anything that would put the safety and security of any american at rest is a flat out lie." meanwhile, the white house announcing last night it will not send a delegation to switzerland for the world economic forum next week. the president reportedly has his earlier trip to davos. that's a lot. what is your take on this back-and-forth, and what does it encompass? >> matt: what i think most people don't realize is that the

executive branch controls military aircraft. when you go on one of these congressional delegations, it is typical that you have to get signoff to get your transport. so nancy pelosi would have to go to the pentagon to get approval for the transport. so it's totally within the president's purview to say yes or no to who gets to use that transport. he did in a way -- if you look at how we did it -- he did it in a way so as to not put anybody at any sort of security risk. the comeback from nancy pelosi that somehow he did something to put their lives at stake is simply not founded. >> melissa: come on, it was petty. we all know this is a tit-for-tat, he went back and canceled the aircraft. >> matt: i don't think it's petty. i think it's glorious. you know what? [laughter] you can't say you want to open the government and try to force the president to negotiate with him, and go to puerto rico, go to hawaii, go to seven cities. >> jessica: matt, that wasn't a vacation. >> matt: she must've canceled

the union address. >> jessica: its puerto rico, that's a lot of visas. it's not as if they went on vacation. >> harris: let me open this up, senator lindsey graham was saying something similar to what most which is intimating. let's look at his words. one a sophomoric response does not deserve another. speaker pelosi start to cancel the state of the union is very irresponsible, and blatantly political. has that trump denying speaker pelosi military travel to visit our troops in afghanistan, our allies in egypt and nato, is also inappropriate." he sides on both. >> matt: i love lindsey graham. i think he has been wonderful in the course of the last year. >> harris: i feel a "but" coming. >> matt: he simply wrong about this. you can't say there are 800,000 americans not getting paid, you can't say this is national security emergency so big you want to cancel the state of the union, and keep leaving the continental united states to go to other things like fund-raisers, going on -- coat

>> jessica: visiting trips are not fund-raisers. going to see our nato allies -- >> matt: i don't care, she was going to other cities, too. >> jessica: what other cities was she going to? >> matt: do want to see the itinerary? >> jessica: i would love to. >> matt: putting their lives at risk, apparently. >> jessica: melania took a military plane down to mar-a-lago. how do you feel about that? >> matt: that has nothing to do with the budget negotiations. >> jessica: people aren't working -- >> harris: here somebody i would like to see work. lisa? [laughter] >> lisa: thank you. i'm just going to be honest. they are both being petty. let's just be honest about it. they are both being petty. nancy pelosi took the unprecedented action of inviting president trump to deliver the state of the union and then canceling it. we all know she was full of it behind your reasoning. for doing so, president trump was also petty and canceling the trip. it's hilarious. i laughed when i found out what he did. the fact that democrats were on the bus and had to turn around. it's pretty funny. but it's petty. what this also demonstrates, how dug in both parties are. i think in terms of looking at

if the deal is going to get struck anytime soon, it certainly doesn't look like it. you've got both -- you got nancy pelosi and president trump, who are hardened and who are not really going to back down. when you've got both of these people who are driving the ships, where is the middle? >> melissa: a kind of even feels like it's about more than just border security or the wall or whatever at this point. it feels like it's about -- it's the site between these two, and what we will see over the next two years. this first head-to-head battle. >> harris: do you think it will be this good custom work i think it will be worse. [laughter] exactly! this is the beginning. >> melissa: whatever issue they clashed over for us was going to be this ugly. that's what i mean. whatever issue that came to loggerheads first was going to look like this. >> harris: when i say, "do you think it'll be this good?" i think rich. i certainly don't mean -- i want to put that out there. i know there's a lot of sensitivities and emotion. look at -- when you have the secretary of state looking for

funding so we can keep double mats and others around the world and in the united states working, when you see community spinning together -- and i can name a couple in the northeast, where they are coming together as the snow storms are coming in. they are thinking about their fellow sisters and brothers who work in the government who aren't getting paychecks. and they are outside in the community, trying to help them out at this time, too. most people have spent everything they have in savings going in and out of the christmas season. that's what people do. maybe not every dime, but a month now without pay. so it's tough. the president has done a couple of things, matt. he has signed the legislation that the minute this thing is over they get their retro pay. it would be nice if it could be broken up and increment so they aren't taxed at a higher level. but who might be a cpa on tv because to mike i'm just looking out. the everything the president has done is have bipartisan meetings of the white house. he, in fact, has not left. he has not gone any trips like this. do you want to say it's for charity or whatever, how do you

see it, matt, and turns of them saying in the political conversation? >> matt: i agree with melissa, this is the beginning of their election. one of the big things they will be fighting for. if you look at what he's asking for, we have 690 miles of fencing, walling, barriers at the border. he's asking for something like 230 additional miles. he's asking for a couple billion dollars, $5 billion to do that fencing or to have that securit security. i think -- this is such a small amount of money for the federal government. his proposal is actually quite modest. i think they should all stay in town, hammer it out, get it don done. >> harris: jessica, i want to give you last word. we have had centers on -- i had senator ben cardin, bret baier talked to steny hoyer in the house. they seem to be saying that there are sections of the border where the barrier is working. >> jessica: absolutely. chuck schumer has spoken to that, he said he has authorized tens of billions of dollars to go toward border security. i would love it if anybody would

get together and an end camera. >> harris: would you be okay with it question marks on wall? >> jessica: i was a supporter of the gang of 8, the gang of 6 that all deals with fencing, more police, and better addressing asylum claims and having more judges and more representation. >> melissa: it sound so reasonable. >> jessica: i do have my moments. [laughter] >> melissa: that agreement, it's so reasonable! speed when it seems to be trending among some. the five amnesty -- >> lisa: but asking for $5 billion in the grand scheme of what the government spends every year is a nominal amount of money. they have also asked to lower that number as well. we have the democrats been in the confirmation cluster next we went because i to. the stock of a potential second summit between president trump and kim jong un, secretary of state mike pompeo met today in washington with a north korean envoy. this, just the day after the president mentioned the threat from north korea is announcing his new missile defense strateg

strategy. what to expect from today's meeting. and, the 46th annual march for life is underway in the nation's capital. bipartisan lawmakers expected to address the massive crowd. we will take you there, live. stay tuned. ♪ our members shop a little differently. so we reward every purchase . let's see what kate sent. for you. for all of us. that's for me. navy federal credit union our members, are the mission. ensure max protein... to give you the protein you need with less of the sugar you don't. (straining) i'll take that. (cheers) 30 grams of protein and 1 gram of sugar. ensure max protein. in two great flavors.

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march for life now underway in washington with an estimated 100,000 people expected to be part of it. the march for life marks the anniversary of the supreme court's 1973 roe v. wade decision which made abortion legal across the u.s. president trump reportedly ascending a video message of support to one of the highest profile events organized by the nation's opponents to abortion. a bipartisan group of lawmakers will also address the crowd. doug mckelway 11 washington with more. doug? >> hi, melissa. i'm always struck by how we organize this event is each and every year. people come out, rain or shine or snow. we did have a little bit of snow in the washington area last night. that was committed by the tens of thousands. they been doing so for 46 years. no doubt aided by the fact that many of the catholic schools in the washington area and will be on have a four day weekend. many of the young people were bust down and that helps to explained the preponderance of young people. they also feel that momentum is really on their side in the fight many of the compliments

for the pro-life movement during the trump administration. they cite the mexico city polic policy, which was broadened. it blocks u.s. federal funding for nongovernmental associations that provide abortion services abroad. they cite the nomination and confirmation of justice gorsuch and cavanaugh , as well as the potential for another retirement or change of the supreme court, perhaps, during the term administration. they also cite dozens of other judicial nominations at the appeals and district court levels. >> president trump has done more than any other president has been able to do. i definitely think it's in his agenda to get it done, or do something about it. the same with mike pence. i know they are trying. >> i can see a real future with him being president. >> president trump has been the best president for the pro-life movement. he got after him a lot more if it wasn't for speaker ryan.

>> the preacher's movement also cites its own momentum they know the democrats now control the house of representatives where they have already knows their intention this term to prevent the hyde amendment which provides tax funding for abortion services across the country. they also have decided that roe v. wade, the decision itself -- which has basically stood the test of time for 46 years. speak out they've made chairman's progress across the board for women's education, for women's health, and economic status. there's no reason to roll that progress back. >> democrats also say they have a new weapon in this age-old battle. it's the women's march, which gets going here in cities across the united states tomorrow. there have been some divisions, one of the women's marches have been canceled. they have one of the city of new orleans because of accusations of anti-semitism and also a closely-relationship with

the minister -- the minister farrakhan by some of the leaders of the women's march. it will happen here tomorrow morning and it's going strong. back to you in new york. >> melissa: doug mckelway, thank you. president trump's legal team slamming explicit but was viewd report saying he told his former attorney, michael cohen, to live up tower in moscow. some are even threatening impeachment if the report is proven true. here is a statement from house intelligence committee chairman, adam shifts. "these allegations may prove unfounded, but if true, they would have insubordination and perjury as well as obstruction of justice. our committee is determined to get to the bottom of this and follow the evidence wherever it may lead. "but present terms attorney saying, "if you believe cohen, i can get you a great deal on the brooklyn bridge." let's go left a kevin corke at the white house with more and all of this. kevin?

>> melissa, always good to be with you. this report from buzzfeed actually relies on a pair of unnamed sources. these are investigators, folks who are familiar the ongoing investigation, and that's where we are right now. a lot of it is uncorroborated by outside sources, meaning we haven't been able to confirm what breast-feed is reporting here's what we know. according to the report, these investigators have knowledge of the ongoing investigation. although at least one reporter on that team from buzz feet acknowledge that he hasn't seen the material about which his sources have referred. here's was going on. the piece itself claims that investigators believe -- again, based on materials that they claim to have seen -- that president trump directed michael cohen to lie to congress. that he also -- the president, that is. supported a plan for coming to visit russia during the presidential campaign in order to further develop the real estate deal in russia. again, quoting sources that claim they say they have seen this material. they say the material that they

have seen implicates the president, and they also say "he told cohen to make it happen." the president, as you also know, has reportedly repeatedly denig going to break the law. they also note, "listen, no deal was ever made. none. period." as you can imagine, there's a healthy dose of cynicism about the report here at the house. >> i'm very dismayed that the sourcing this particular article are two law enforcement officials who are connected to the investigation. that should send a chill down everybody's spine. people should not be leaking information from investigations. >> meanwhile, there are democrats weighing in on this. he mentioned adam shifts earlier -- here is joaquin castro. he says if the buzzfeed story is true, president trump must resign or be impeached. that begs this question. if this video or audio proof of the president telling to lie, that's one thing.

if, however, the evidence cited is merely with the mueller team has collected -- again, some investigators say they have seen it -- if it's what he has collected in whole or in part, statements by cohen. that's part of it. that's what we call circular reporting here in washington. sometimes people simply say, "this is what he said," and other people run with their reporting. again, that's latest we have. no one that i know of, at least here at the network, has been able to corroborate or confirm the reporting from buzzfeed. although it's getting a lot of buzz and i imagine that's part of it. let me share this -- at this hour, i received the snow. let me grab this from my phone. my producer, matt, tells me that the president will meet with kim young chill was the vice chairman of the workers party of korea. that of course is the north koreans come here at the white house today. in the oval office. we are told that meaning could be ongoing as we speak. sarah sander singh's statement that they will discuss relations between the two countries and continued progress on

north korea's final fillet-verified denuclearization prayed that, from sarah sanders. another active day here the white house. my friend, back to you. >> melissa: no doubt. kevin corke, thank you so much. veteran journalist, harris faulkner. [laughter] i want to start with you. when i heard this story, and i see the smoking gun. that's what they were calling this report. i say, "wow, he must have texted sent emails instructing him to live." what exactly did the email say? i start searching through -- >> harris: let me guess, you can find that evidence? >> melissa: they are not there. we heard one reporter said they didn't see the evidence, they just heard about it. with the danger in importing stories like that? or would you go with that? speak with her to take something back from you once you put it out there. if it doesn't have the evidentiary basis that you need, it's problematic to then clarify. it's one thing to say something that you said was wrong, but when he put information out and

say that it is whole and then have to take that back, it's almost impossible to do. buzzfeed has had its own problems. i do realize that when they outed the name of someone of the trump case, with the anti-trump dossier, they won a court battle but they lost, perhaps, the public relations battle of being believed all the time as a news organization that would lean heavily on evidence. so it's problematic when he put stuff out there. i would also say, with buzzfeed -- remember, the photo that anti-trump dossier. i see you nodding. before -- it was like a test ground. then they released it. i'm curious to know what you're thinking. >> lisa: , they are part of the unverified dossier which has taken massive credibility hits as of late. they have demonstrate to their standards. we see outlets like abc and cnn also taking it on the chin for these allegedly bombshell reports that turn out to not be

true. i think everything with this trump hero, you wait to see how this is going to end up. >> harris: it should be an error. >> lisa: that's how it is. i watch "the bachelor," and if you like this is like chris harris in every season. "this is the most dramatic season of her eczema" and the reporters keep saying, "this is the end of the road for the trump administration." and the stories fizzle i would say, cautionary tale. wait to see what other evidence comes forward. piece of the reports that have ended up to be nothing. >> melissa: if it's true, it's enormous. >> jessica: exactly, i think we can all agree, big deal if true. we'll have to wait. we have seen democrats for the first time coming out publicly and saying that bob mueller should give us what we need in order to be able to question people and bring this to the committee level. if you want is in a give you more comfortable about all this impeachment liquid and everything? the push for facts? >> jessica: i think this has been push refax all along. some people on wild goose chase

chases. >> harris: before it's done -- >> jessica: if it was obstruction of justice, which this would become that would be cause for impeachment. this is point about the dossier, as of late, the death he has gotten more credibility now that we know about the trump tower deal. >> melissa: let's try and let matt an on this before you go back to it. >> matt: first of all, president trump does not email or text. he tweets. he uses his phone. there will be no physical evidence for any of this. number two, michael cohen was his lawyer. what michael cohen would be trying to get us to understand is that donald trump was michael cohen 'lawyer. it was actually just the opposite. that's absurd. he is a convicted liar. he has perjured himself. he has already admitted to that. he says sometimes he doesn't tell officials the truth, but how we are to all take him at his word that he is now a truth teller question marks sorry. >> jessica: but he's not one of the sources for this. >> matt: let me talk about this.

>> melissa: that's the point. but it was more than -- >> harris: the fbi, the doj. that you wouldn't take him out as were, they would cooperate hopefully from two or three incidents of evidence. >> matt: here's the everything, they are saying that trump told him to lie. so with the other piece here is that we are assuming any direction or conversation that the two of them had was maybe there is a disagreement over what the set facts were. which is what a lot of this comes down to any of these investigations. leave it to the left or to immediately painted as a lie. we are going to have to look at all of this. >> melissa: that's when i first response of the story was exactly where you are. "i need to see exactly what the text says come up with the message says." because i want to judge myself with the conversation was about. that's when you discover in the story -- wait, we don't have the exact words. >> harris: when you have potential to something, jessica -- and i don't know because i haven't heard all of the surreptitious recordings that michael cohen was making of the president in their conversations. i mentioned yesterday in the

colloquial that they might be receipts. there might be some evidence that we don't know about that could even be on that. i don't know. >> jessica: there's also another story that cannot yesterday about $50,000 -- actually, $13,000 in a boxing glove being exchanged to rig online polls. you saw them dodge the question asked illicitly about whether the president directed by google in july by saying "i will not address that." or kellyanne conway saying, "the president addressed it himself." >> matt: none of it is collusion, none of it is illegal, this is absurd. >> lisa: but where is information coming from? because the buzzfeed article references the special counsel's office, and it references federal law enforcement officials. we've already seen the affair come under fire for leaking. again, it appears -- >> matt: 12 people have been fired. >> lisa: wears information come from? >> melissa: no one else is able to corroborate it. >> jessica: so we wait to find out what the sources are. but free to sit there and say, "no collusion, no collusion,"

that has backfired. >> matt: you think that's breaking the law? oh, my gosh. >> jessica: "the drudge" report -- >> matt: was impeach the president over this. >> jessica: you're not actually taking what i'm saying to heart and respond to it for you are out with euphemisms. like guiliani, "no collusion!" >> lisa: that doesn't mean he disagrees with you. >> he says -- >> melissa: what you want him to respond to? >> jessica: and want you to respond to the fact that when they do have a number of indictments they do, cooperating witnesses, rick gates, paul manafort, michael cohen -- we've indicted 12 russian trolls is that they were involved in this. how can you sit there and say unilaterally, "no collusion questionnaire" >> matt: let me answer. because none of those people were convicted on anything having to do with inappropriate or illegal behavior. >> jessica: really? donald trump directing donald mcmichael going to pay off women? so it's not affecting the election? that's specifically what he does. >> matt: that's not illegal. >> jessica: it is customer get the campaign finance violation.

>> matt: it isn't, nobody has been doubted of it. >> jessica: whenever the same words as you, i'm taking them to some of her liberal plan or something. >> matt: we were trying to say is because the special counsel has made progress in going after people in the trump orbit who did things that might have been illegal -- we will see, some of them have pled. let me just finish. because there is all of that activity, that somehow proves that they must be right about the underlying charge of collusion with putin's government. i say that's quite a stretch and it's inappropriate to say. >> jessica: saying that as a stretch and saying "no collusion" are different. we'll have the story that don jr. made calls to block number before he took that trump tower meeting. adam schiff -- >> harris: don't ask me are doing that later in the show. i'm not cutting you off. don't go away, and he went! [laughter] tomorrow's women's march in washington, the event cochair facing controversy over her praise of nation of islam leader, louis farrakhan, despite

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together ahead of the 2020 election. meanwhile, some conservative women being left out of the march altogether as an op-ed puts it this way. "there is a simmering disdain for conservative female voters who prioritize lower taxes, government, national security, and conservative judges in 2016. even more, they have betrayed the ultimate tremendous goal -- electing a woman to the highest office." i want to go to the man on the couch. >> oh, my goodness! >> lisa: welcome he does have a lot of daughters. [laughter] 's be when i was going to say that! it's the next generation that will watch a retreat this one. your thoughts? >> matt: it's ironic with two marches, have to say. my daughters go to the pro-life march. every woman should want to be involved in a march that affirms women. but when the march is more about a certain brand of politics and ideology, and that ideology seems so splintered with these

very fair charges of anti-semitism and other things being leveled at it, when people get deep into what's going on with this march they realize -- women are as diverse as any group of human beings. they celebrate that part of it. women coming to give it to a firm women -- why does it have to be left-wing women coming together? i don't get that. >> harris: jessica, i will tag onto matt's question for you. why does it have to be only women who agree with one another in order to support those women? >> jessica: it doesn't have to be. there's a distinction to be made within the women's march, and i'm suffering this from the anti-semitism issue which i would like to address, as well. when the first women's march happen, there was a rejection of pro-life groups being part of the sponsorship committee. it wasn't that conservative women couldn't come in march, it's that they didn't think of pro-life platform spoke to the goals and the missions of the women's march, which are first and foremost equality and opportunity of choice for all. that equality, it's economic,

health care, being able to control your own body, environmental equality, racial justice, social justice, all of it. that's why conservative women are excluded from the sponsorship committee, not from marching. to the anti-semitic point, i marched very proudly at the first women's march in new york. i could make it to d.c. i would not go this time, now that all this has come to light. >> harris: let me add to that. debbie wasserman scholes -- >> melissa: before you go, i want to say that we accidentally showed the wrong march there. it's actually -- we showed the live march going on right now, which is the march for life as opposed women's march which going on tomorrow. i'm sorry to interrupt, i didn't want to let any more time go by before -- he went i'm glad you did that. please. what i was going to say is that debbie wasserman schultz, former dnc leadership, something akin to what you just said an op-ed today for usa today. she says, "well, i still firmly believe in values and mission. i can't associate with the national women's leaders and

principles which refuse to completely repudiate anti-semitism and all forms of bigotry." i cannot walk shoulder to shoulder with leaders who lock arms with outspoken paddlers of hate." >> jessica: the women's march was conceived to protect marginalized community's. anybody who would deny that are marginalized community, are living on another planet. >> matt: good for you, jessica. >> harris: let's hit the conservative women big left out again. it might just be them, it could be someone that any least organizers would disagree with. >> lisa: jessica laid out largely progressive viewpoints and platform, and that's with the women's march stands for. as a progressive platform and how it has been tinged with anti-semitism. now it has become a toxic brand, which is why you've seen these sponsors like the dnc pull out. they don't want to be affiliated with it. you shouldn't really be that hard when you see somebody like tamika mallory to say that somebody who says that jews are termites or akin to satan -- it should be easy to commend

that don't like them i condemn that. it's become toxic. there are competing marches tomorrow with other conservative groups. different groups. as you mentioned, other groups like -- similar to the women's march in terms of progressive viewpoints. >> jessica: like in new orleans, they will be a march. many cities have counter marches. six i wonder if james comey will be marching this year. he marched last year. that's what i want to know. >> harris: house democrats are looking to ramp up investigations of the president and his family. what house intelligence committee chairman adam schiff now says he wants from donald trump jr., and how all of this could affect voters heading toward 2020. to become analysis. stay close. ♪ 300 miles an hour, that's where i feel normal. having an annuity tells me my retirement is protected. learn more at retire your risk dot org.

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♪ >> jessica: house intelligence committee chairman adam schiff saying he plans to go after donald trump jr.'s phone records related to the 2016 trump tower

meeting, effectively reopening the investigation. both house and senate committees previously close the investigations into that meeting, finding no wrongdoing. chairman schiff says he wants more answers, saying "i can't imagine a more obvious -- then getting those phone records. but we are denied the ability to do that and in the republican-d infestation. it was about going through the motions of a political report could be issued and they could absolve the president. we still need to get answers, and one of the places we will begin is by getting those phone records." meanwhile, to key senate democrats demanding access to the interpreters present for all of the meetings with russia's flight repeated. two really big issues there. how do you feel about the subpoenas for the translators' records from the meeting? >> matt: i feel like if there was something there, mark warner -- she was no wallflower -- would have been aggressive on the senate side saying, "i think there's more here." i think he and richard burr have tried to look at all these

questions. i have talked to people involved directly without oversight on the senate side. the actually do think that russia is a huge problem on social media, and other platforms in this country. they actually don't see wrongdoing in these other areas. i think if adam schiff looks like -- i think it's the same thing republicans have to face when we are to aggressive investigations. it just looks like you have a political ax to grind, it will just reduce the potency of the charges they are trying to make. >> jessica: lisa, what you make about that? elections have consequences. new chairman and chairwoman in town. you think it will end up being a waste of time, reduce or do you cease a merit? >> lisa: they can't control the white house or the senate come you can't legislate. what will they be doing over the next few years is investigating. as we've already seen. republican sitter to president obama so i don't blame democrats for doing it. this is how they're going to use the time, particularly in committees like the oversight

committee, intelligence committee. they will try to go after president trump and will see a lot of leaks and information out there to try and damage the president, electorally heading into 2020. buckle up, this is what the next two years is going to be about. >> jessica: there will be investigations. i also believe there be legislation paid but these phone records, it does seem like a big deal. wright, melissa? to know if don jr. was calling his dad? >> melissa: i would be interested in knowing that. i will say also that every time i hear the stories it reminds me that i feel like we have found out that the russians -- and i'm sure others -- are constantly fishing and dangling people out there to try and get anyone involved on the american side. probably anywhere else, that they are active. and just how real all of this is and how president the danger is in our society. i'm sure it's on every side with politics, but it's just something to get to the bottom of. and look out for going forward. i'm not sure many americans

before this realized how active russia was trying to infiltrate our politics and be here on american soil working on it. you know they should have been. [laughs] they have always wanted to disrupt things here. if you are seeing this fight that's going on right now, they have to be licking their fingers, like, "this is fantastic." i want to go back to what you're saying and healed some of my time to you. because i think it's important that we learn from the facts of each administration, and each group that is in politics and empowered. what is it that should be the take away from some of the overreach that we saw, even with the republicans? because you were going down that road. it's a good lesson for everybody. >> matt: i think the republican party in the house, the republicans in the house, decided to impeach bill clinton. they felt like this question of perjury was serious enough that they had to go forward. but what we have to or member with the term, "impeachment,"

it's not an indictment. it's not a legal term. it's a political term in the constitution, a perfectly good term, but it's political. if you want to go down that road, understand their suppose go upside and political downside. i think most of the country thought that bill clinton acted inappropriately with a white house intern, but they didn't want him to not be the president anymore. they felt like they had to prevent decision in the election. i think democrats are to be awfully careful about putting their partisan will over what happened with the electoral college. he's up for reelection again. if he loses, that's the people that decide that. so be careful with indictment. it's political in the end. excuse me -- impeachment is political in the end. >> melissa: good point. >> jessica: may be if you get an indictment we will get an impeachment. >> matt: you can't indict a president! [laughter] >> jessica: 2020, here we come! president trump meeting with a korean envoy right now about denuclearization, amid growing situation about a second sum between president trump and kim jong un. how likely is it, and is the

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between president trump and speaker nancy pelosi as he grounds her war zone trip after she asks him to deliver the state of the union. should he pick a fight with someone who could make things difficult for him? i will talk with the always outspoken republican senator, john kennedy of louisiana. the president also going after buzzfeed report with sensational claims involving his former lawyer, michael cohen, saying that cohen is just lying to reduce his sentence. i will ask you former doj prosecutor what to make of all of this. a top story since this continues to develop. see you then. >> melissa: we look forward to. the white house says president trump is meeting with enough korean envoy in the oval office for talks over north korea's denuclearization. earlier, secretary of state mike pompeo meeting with iridium envoy. all this, amid the possibility of a second sum between president trump and kim jong un. this, after the president named the threat from north korea yesterday and announcing his new

muscle defense strategy. after vice president mike pence this week told diplomats that the resume is nigh at following through with its pledges. >> while the president is promising dialogue with chairman kim, we still await concrete steps by north korea to dismantle the nuclear weapons. >> melissa: so, that's fair. the talks are good, that's progress. we have yet to see concrete steps. >> matt: but this was a huge change in strategy for the united states to actually engage the regime. it's like almost everything with president trump, its high-risk, high-potential reward. we are not seeing that reward yet. he's got the right people on the job, bolton, pompeo, steve beacon is the special envoy. i'm hopeful that the thing that will change the kims is not the fact that they will do with the american people want or that it its response will. they need money. they are starving, and they themselves don't have the greenbacks and the gold that they have always had to get them

through the rough times. that's what's bringing him to the table. president trump understands that parade let me tell you, he's going to leverage their need for american support to try and get rid of weapons. >> melissa: but as soon as the president tries to trade up on that idea of lightening up in order to get to them to do something, that's immediately wn folks are critical of the fact that you need regime change. have you talked about human rights? how do you balance those things? >> jessica: i think that you focus as much as you can on china. that's really the key, here. they need american support but they need chinese support more than they need our support. what we can leverage with the chinese, i think, that's actually going to end up defining what do we may be able to strike with the denuclearization flame to my framework. the mission is being very clear about that they haven't taken the steps they said they were going to. if you remember, just months ago we were having discussions about president trump for the nobel peace prize. that was a little hasty, and certainly john bolton -- we know

is as hawkish as we come, was cautioning against that. i think china is important here. i think the conversations are fruitful and important, but if the actions account at the end of the day. >> lisa: i am assured by the fact that i don't think present trip desires to strike a deal at any cost. i think he would be walk away if he feels like north korea is not willing to give, or he's not getting what he wants. that gives me assurance. i also appreciate the people that he has surrounded himself with, like mike pompeo. i think is perfectly capable. my concerns are the fact -- does north korea ever wanted to nuclearize? i think that's a question. alternatively, for economic pressure reporting on, it's really where it's at in china. in the sense that that's their trading partner. i think it's more difficult to try and put that increase leverage on them, , and we are o reliant on trying not to do so. >> melissa: we are putting tons of pressure on china. do not sing the link between those things? that's part of the reason we are in the trade war, not just about our own interest on trade. it's also about putting pressure

on north korea. as china is struggling, that's hard on north korea, all salsa. >> lisa: are you satisfied with the pressure that china is putting on north korea? >> melissa: no, of course not. but it only increase by the virtue of them going into recession. there's a break of the enemy of morse of more "outnumbered" on the other side. we will be right back ♪ -morning. -morning. -what do we got? -keep an eye on that branch. might get windy. have a good shift.

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had a lot of battles the people having on the sidelines. he made some great points. >> jessica: matt 'wife used to be my debate partner, mondays at 2:00 p.m. so i like you. [laughter] the two thoughts we'll come out here, for the intelligent exchange of ideas to hear both sides! we love how you did that. >> jessica: thank you. you're all right. [laughter] >> melissa: bareback here at noon on monday now, here's harris. >> harris: may begin with this fox news alert. political battles between president trump and house speaker nancy pelosi as the partial government shutdown rages on. this is "outnumbered overtime," i'm harris faulkner. the president has blocked pelosi's use of a military aircraft for a trip to afghanistan. it happened at the very last moment yesterday, citing the shutdown. this come after the house speaker called for the president to delay his state of the union address over what she called security concerns. a spokesperson proposing his back today saying "the

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