>> sandra: that's it for us here on "america's newsroom." thank you for joining us. we will see you again tomorrow. that's it for us. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> melissa: fox news alert, new reaction to democratic leadership rejecting president trump's plan to end the partial government shutdown. the republican leader in the senate once a vote this week on the president's proposal, but top democrats say it is dead on arrival. this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. here today, fox business network incorporated or dagen mcdowell, former ohio senate minority leader capri cafaro, joseph kennedy on the fox business network, kennedy herself, and joining us on the couch, host of the david webb sd sirius xm patriot, he is also a fox news contributor. thank you for joining us today. >> david: i brought my reality

check mug from fox nation! >> melissa: love it! reality check, we got a! let's get right to business the then. the white house calling democrats to come to the table as the clock is ticking for lawmakers to reach a deal with federal workers, due to miss another pay day this friday. here are some specifics of the presidents proposal. $5.7 million for a border barrier. in exchange for three years of protection for some illegal immigrants brought to the u.s. as children. protection for immigrants who came to the u.s. from countries hit by disaster, and an additional $800 million in humanitarian aid. vice president mike present del mike pence says the ball is in their court. >> the key to progress is negotiation. up to this point, literally for the last ponds month while thet have and i have stayed in washington have been engaging continuously with democrat leadership. and with rank and file members

of the house and senate. what we have heard it again and again it is, "we will not negotiate and to the president reopens the government." >> melissa: but house majority whip james clyburn says it has not address their concerns about daca. watch this. >> we are all for negotiating, and we would love to have a permanent fix for daca and tps, just as he was a permanent wall. i think it's a nonstarter for him to ask for a permanent wall and for us to have a temporary fix. those of the kinds of stuff we want to sit down and put some stability in people's lives, and have some permanent solutions to this immigration problem. the president's team is the one who continues to play games with us. >> melissa: david, what was so interesting about that -- you dissect what he said, he says this is a "nonstarter." "we want to sit down and find

permanent solutions." with a second, how can both those things be true? what the president, it seems, is trying to do is get both sites to the table with something that each i would love and something that each side would hate. sit down. he says he wants something permanent. okay, so start there. sit down and say, "fine, i will take that, but you have to make it permanent." and the other side says, "okay, but we also want this." how did they not see that this is an attempt to get everyone to the table and start saying what you want instead of saying, "no, i'm not going to do anything question her" >> david: instead of the art of the political deal, was going on with the democrats now is, "how do we say no i get both bites of the apple?" clyburn is lying, by the way. there's no other way to see it. what's being offered for daca -- and while i wish they would lower and restrict the age limit on this, because if you are 35 usually should not be participating -- you were deuce the amount of incoming additional and company children. the people that will participate

in daca. because it could expand to 4.1 million people being brought into this. mitigate the problem. i don't like it, but we will have to do something for the daca participants. but we should narrow the focus. the democrats say, "i will give you a dollar, $2." this is stupid game. the american people are paying the price, and democrats -- i will say this flat out, because i talked to the present last week about this -- he is not going to give on this, because the american people deserve security and they are not willing to negotiate on things they agree with. >> melissa: he won't give on the barrier, but he is showing he will give on daca and it is getting harder and harder for democrats to hold together and say, "there is nothing you could possibly give us that would make this worthwhile." there are a number of people out there who have suggested, maybe you go with a p.r. campaign committee put together ads, but our normal stations. not for people who watch us or the other political stations that are engaged, but on the local news.

and in the commercials. you put down all the people, what they have said to support it. every democrat along the way. and you get things like congressman benny simpson saying, "well, i don't know. "sorry, benny thompson. saying, "maybe there is some room for this." and listen and respond. >> i would not rule out a wall in certain instances. the notion that we can't have barriers is just something that is not true. again, martha, you have to have a plan. the plan that the president initially started with is not where he is now. so we don't know where he will be tomorrow. >> melissa: okay, so i have heard that exact phrase. that must be in some talking points. >> capri: i never read talking points that are said to me, that's pretty clear. >> melissa: that we don't know where he will be tomorrow. >> capri: the argument is, he said on the campaign trail that mexico would pay for the wall. all this other stuff.

okay, that very will they be the case, we live in the reality now and we have direct what that is. nancy pelosi and chuck schumer are going to face just what we saw from this member of congress, that the rake and file members -- particularly those democrats that are in districts where trump was successful -- they are going to start to defect and say, "well, we are going to lose snap benefits, food stamps by february 1st, there will be significant impact on their communities, and frankly people to support this border security wall stuff." i think there will come a time when there will be pressure from the bottom up. at some point we will have to move forward. i was the minority leader at the state level for a number of years, and i think this -- i get the fact that it's, "okay, they wants a big permanent for a permanent structure." but he got to get a foot in the door. i can't tell you the number of times in negotiations where we did things like, "here's what we

will do. we will start with a pilot program, for it simple, see what happens in two years," and it's harder to take something away once you have it. >> capri: he is also pushing on the republican side. i will ask the street he's pushing on the republican side to come for their with stuff that they've hated, too. if you could put up his treat, saying -- or republicans don't want amnesty, and he says no. "amnesty is not part of my offer. it is a three year extension of daca. amnesty will be used only on a much bigger deal, whether on immigration or something else. likewise, there will be no push to remove the 11 million plus people who are here illegally. but, be careful, nancy." he's also laying out things that republicans have said. >> dagen: i will be really brief. he talking about a bigger immigration deal. number one, at least temporary protection for dreamers. ann coulter hates it! what's not to love if your democrat? >> kennedy: ann coulter hates

it because -- again, it's an empty semantic argument between amnesty and the wall. you can't say "wall" with democrats because he will give them the vapors. and you can't say "amnesty" to republicans, or some hardliners' heads will explode. we have left essentially, when you take those two terms out, the groundwork for real immigration reform -- which is so credibly necessary right now, and i will tell you why. the executive orders that president obama drafted, those are so easy to undo. it really does leave a flimsy legacy. democrats should be very concerned about that. jim clyburn is right in that there needs to be a long-term solution, but you don't get that unless you craft a law. and you can't craft a law unless you have lawmakers coming to the table and writing something together. and they've got split houses, they are going to have to work together here. saying something like -- "it will take four weeks, so we might as will do nothing eczema"

it doesn't make any sense. you could actually -- i would like some went to press them on that. it's illogical. you can have a temporary fix and work out a long-term solution. that's what they have done on a number of other issues, and it would be great if they took criminal justice reform as a template and applied it here. because there are so many areas of agreement that would make immigration much less chaotic in this country. >> david: but in order to have agreement, you have to have honesty. let's be real about this -- the pretense by democrats on security over the years, border security, a complete system, the cpb analysis that was given to the democrats before the meeting with pelosi and schumer. the $5.7 billion, the different hundreds of millions applied to humanitarian technology, et cetera. the pretense over the years by schumer at all of them is that they want border security. and how they are playing game with wall or steel slats. the fact is, the steel slats are what was put into that assessment. now they are going to pretend they are against it? it's a farce.

>> melissa: republicans have had a chance, too, to go in and have total immigration reform like right after the election. they let that go, as well. i think may become a dig in, that's the president's point. when he puts all these things out here, everybody -- there is a ton of blame to go around. let's all sit down and you can make a deal where everybody get something they want and something they hate. you have to give more to get more. >> dagen: right. he laid out an initial negotiating position, and the expectation is -- the democrats will step up to the table, and they will sit down and try and hash something out. again, this is washington, where it is upside down and bananas 24 hours a day seven days a week. the way they operate doesn't make sense of the american people. but i will tell you this -- there's a lot going on, and is not just about the furloughed workers and the workers who are not getting paid those 800,000 people. these are government contractors who can't pay their employees. this is tsa agents who aren't showing up for work. 8% of them called out over the

weekend. this is long lines at airports. this is $2 billion in small business loans that are not getting -- every american should be disgusted by this display done in washington. and they all ought to grow up. if we could only -- >> kennedy: i want to add something very quickly. if you are one of those people who is sidelined, one of those federal workers. or if you are one of the dreamers and you've got a president who is saying, "okay, here's a solution for all of you," and democrat leadership is just saying no, i would be very frustrated. regardless of my affiliation, i would be very frustrated. i want -- >> melissa: absolutely right. >> dagen: i want every democrat to have to answer the question that bret baier posed to steny hoyer. "okay, you are not going to fund new barrier wall, whatever you want to do it. you want to take on the wall that there?" >> david: and by the way -- [laughter]

the long lines, i have flown four times in the last week and i have yet to come across a long line at tsa. >> melissa: okay, well, you are lucky. the field of democrats running at 2020 getting bigger. the latest entry as some are going on an apology to her for their past senses. what this signals about today's democratic party. plus, the fallout from that buzzfeed report after a rare rebuke from the special counsel. whether this should end the speculation about what is in robert robert mueller's final report. >> i thought that the buzzfeed piece, and may be equally as bad, the coverage of the buzzfeed sony story -- it was a total phony story. ♪ if you're a veteran homeowner who needs cash, call newday usa. home values are rising, and with newday's va cash out home loan, you can borrow up to 100 percent of your home's increased value.

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vice president pence paying their respects earlier this morning at the king memorial in washington, d.c. it is just steps away from where dr. king delivered his "i have a dream" speech. the president also treating, "today we celebrate martin luther king jr. for standing up for the self-evident truths americans hold so dear. that no matter what the color of our skin or the place of our birth, we are all created equal by god." >> dagen: moving onto this, new questions for critics of president trump over their reactions to a report from buzzfeed last week which received a rare response from the special counsel to himself. the report alleging that the president directed his former lawyer, michael cohen, to lie to congress. robert mueller's office issuing his first public statement in more than a year to knock down the report, with a statement asserting that buzzfeed's

account was "not accurate." according to "the washington post," "people familiar with the matter said that after buzzfeed published story, the special counsel's office reviewed evidence to determine if there were any documents or witness interviews like those described by buzzfee buzzfeed, reaching out to those they thought might have a stake in the case. they found none." over the weekend, president trump thanked the special counsel for the statement and give his own response. >> i appreciate the special counsel coming out with a statement last night. i think it was very appropriate that they did so. i very much appreciate that. i think that the buzzfeed piece was a disgrace to our country. it was a disgrace to journalism. i think, also, that the coverage by the mainstream media was disgraceful. >> dagen: despite the slept on for mueller's office, some democrats have continued to beat the drum over the story.

here is senator and 2020 presidential candidate kirsten gillibrand. >> of the report is highly concerning, martha. it just shows more evidence that perhaps this president did obstruct justice. >> even though the special counsel dispute that? >> martha, it raises a question in my mind that is very serious. so what we need is merely to be able to finish the investigatio investigation. >> david: [laughs] [laughs] sorry. >> dagen: meantime, buzzfeed is standing by its reporting saying it goes back to its sources and sees no indication that they got it wrong. david, again come out of the mouths of every democrat -- an y story, despite whether it's true or not from his charm in the water for those who want impeachment. between cnn and msnbc, they said "impeachment" a couple hundred times. >> david: our national debt is that highly. the breath of supporting others is amazing.

it opens a door that busby doesn't want to. if this happened, the only people buzzfeed could have been talking to her within the mueller team. which means that under the doj rules and the guidelines inside, they would have to open the leak investigation. right inside the mueller team. once that opens, like mueller, it goes anywhere. did andrew weissmann do this customer and what happens? buzzfeed may have done themselves a disservice. they are not journalists. he's not a journalist, he's a fake it, frankly. and cormier is no better. the two writers of this. the fact is that buzzfeed has made mueller nervous if someone demands an investigation. >> capri: i don't think it has just done buzzfeed a disservice, but a disservice to those who actually want to try and advance this narrative in regards to impeachment. for those people who are all about that, they have something to point to for everybody else to say, "sequence to make you guys are desperate. you are desperate to jump on anything that's out there to advance your narrative." and it discredits where there

may be some legitimate issues. when you have a shiny object -- >> david: but you have jill or brent, i won't want to be president. harris, a 1b president. booker, a want to be president. >> capri: it's all political. >> david: the democratic party is the one discarding themselves >> capri: that's exec and my point. >> dagen: i want to get to howard kurtz and when he said about the problem. >> this was a humiliating episode for buzzfeed, but also a black eye for many media organizations. buzzfeed, you just can't go with a charge of this magnitude, accusing the president of the united states of perjury, telling his former lawyer to lead to congress, without some email or text message or document. >> melissa: it so trippy. is not discrediting democrats, necessarily, who got elected on trying to impeach or move president trump. it's more what it says about the

journalistic integrity of a lot of people practicing journalism in this country. michael goodman, who is a great reporter, wrote earlier today -- in "the new york post" ," if a scientist wanted to prove how biased the mainstream media was, you would design this exact experiment. where you would put out a tasty morsel. whereas journalist, i read the story and what, "wow you, they must have these emails and texts that prove this. i wonder what they actually say." and then when they say, "we don't have them," and once that he saw documents but he didn't -- it's that perfect thing where, as a journalist, if you jump on that you know you are taking a leap. and they either did that knowingly because they were so excited about the outcome, where they were so frenzied by what it could possibly mean and so excited that they took the leap without thinking. >> dagen: i think the narrative for the first two years of the term presidency, for almost a year and a half,

has been "he's going to fire bob mueller!" and that we have bill barr, the attorney general nominee, coming out and saying, "no, i'm going to let bob mueller -- bob -- finish their investigation." >> kennedy: they are almost too cozy. >> dagen: they need to move on to something else. and this is it. now it's this. >> kennedy: but think of how many suppose leaks and scoops we've had about russia. about trump tower, that have been discredited. and not every single one. there has been some good reporting, and certainly have to ask these questions as objective journalists. the problem is, when you answer those questions about proof and without corroborating sources, you really end up with an unethical pile of nonsense. that's the problem. people who read news are much more sophisticated now. when they look at something and they see a headline, they are more skeptical than they were in 2016. who needs russians interfering with the information that we consume, when you've got reporters here in this country who are constitutionally

protected? that's number one, but number two, going back to jell-o brand, she's sitting here saying the sky is falling because the president is obviously going to fire bob mueller. when all of the signs point to the opposite. she is chasing her tail. >> david: no, she's lying. she's lying outright. >> kennedy: doesn't make sense. by the become it's not presidential. she's not offering any solution. all she is doing is following the bright, shiny lure. she's not thinking for herself. and she's not offering a vision. >> dagen: to my point, she's also elite. because, again, "he's going to fire bob mueller" is the narrative from a year ago. the newer narrative -- then it went on to impeachment. and now nancy pelosi, during the midterm election -- she knows that it's a loser. now the m.o. is just to embarrass the president, regardless of whether it's a report that is completely not based in fact, or not. now they are just going to try

and embarrass them over the next two years throw these investigations. >> capri: i know that we are short on time, but all it was basically going to say here is that democrats need to be careful. we need to let the investigation take its course. people keep saying, "let mueller do his job." let him do his job. let's stop speculating and chasing shiny objects. >> kennedy: by the way, when as they come out a corrected one of these broken records? they haven't. when special counsel says, "this is not accurate," buzzfeed comes out and says, "well, most of it is!" that's not enough. if they are contradicting you, it means a story is garbage. >> david: my editor used to say three words -- "consider the source." b2 we've got to go. new reports of an undisclosed north korean missile site. hours after the white house announces that president trump will have a second summit with kim jong un next month. how could this impact those plans? plus, some 2020 democratic

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others, like new york senator kirsten gillibrand, facing growing scrutiny overpass policy stances. senator harris facing questions over her record as district attorney, and then california attorney general. senator kirsten gillibrand over illegal immigration and gun rights. senator gillibrand's past was the focus of "the washington post" piece this weekend, and it highlighted how her views quickly changed as she moved from the house to the senate. senator gillibrand was pressed yesterday over her past opposition to amnesty for illegal immigrants, even as today she calls president trump's policies racist. watch this. >> they certainly weren't empathetic and they were not kind. i did not think about suffering and other people's lives. one thing i did ten years ago, when i became senator, i was going to represent 20 million people across our state. i recognize that a lot of places in my state were different and i needed to understand what those constituents needed, too. >> melissa: i will go right to our democrat, here.

she opposed amnesty for illegal immigrants. she opposed driver's licenses for illegal immigrants, and she voted for increased funding for ice officials. and local law enforcement on deportation. these are all things -- it's a big record of things that she now is called racist. >> dagen: i have four. she wanted to make english the official language. she boasted a perfect reading for the national rifle association, and told reporters at one point for protection at home but she slept with two long guns under her bed. [laughter] >> capri: i have a high rating with the nra as well, but i did not sleep with two long guns under my bed. >> melissa: would you say she is involved? what would you advise her? >> capri: my advice is to be consistent paired obviously she's not taking that advice. >> melissa: it's too late, so now what? >> capri: what she is trying to say is, "i was from upstate new york, i was were presenting this constituency in my house

district. now the big state of new york is a different deal. now i have to change my views to accurately reflect the views of the entire state of new york." okay, fair enough, but i think she is going to continue to face questions. i think what happens here -- and this is a flaw in the primary process in general -- is that everybody is lurching to the left, and we see that sometimes on the right as well. but everybody's lurching to the left so they can get out of the primary. what happens is at a general election they become unelectable because everything they did in the primary to get the far left vote has been held against them. and that is a problem. i think we need to reform the primary system. i'm not sure how to approach that, but i personally think, for me, consistency is the most important thing. because even though she is representing different people now, you need to have a core sense of values underlying your decision-making process. >> david: when you have a politician who has been running

for her next job, which is what she's doing her entire career, it's the schumer model. the new york political democrat model. in new york it's a very unique model. every representative that has come through here for a number of years has done that. she is going to evolve on every issue. in the american people see that. they're not going to buy her on the national scope. he's my advice -- get out. >> melissa: but is not about primaries necessarily. this is about the idea that she -- when she was kirsten gillibrand before, it was just representing her district, she had dramatically different views that she now calls racist. >> kennedy: yes. that's not an evolution. that is almost a form of mental illness. that would be like a bernie sanders coming out saying, "you know what? i wanted a free market medical system but i want the government can fully out of health care." and that's what she did. she made a diametric shift.

that something where they are to explain. not to mention there are a lot of voters who look at the way she treated al franken, without any due process. and there was protocol in the senate that they could have followed so he could have had his day. >> dagen: her former squash partner, she was the first senator to throw him in. >> kennedy: for her own again. >> dagen: speaking of own gain, she said that president bill clinton should have resigned over the monica lewinsky affair after basically -- yeah, good luck raising money from wall street without one, lady. >> melissa: she's not the only one suffering from this. as we mentioned at the beginning, kamala harris, too, and a new york op-ed -- this was from a law professor out of california saying that she was not a progressive prosecuted for the senator was off and on wrong side of history when she served as california's attorney genera. this was talking about earlier in her career. i'm sure he butchered her name,

but she's a law professor. former director of loyola law school in project for the innocent in los angeles. another case we have somebody coming back and bring to life not just things that you've sai, but the way that you voted and behaved in the past. and now trying to run as something else. what the answer? you say i evolved, or what? >> dagen: "i evolved in a better way, better than the end or of a candidate standing on the debate stage." >> capri: you have to explain how you evolve. >> david: but she didn't evolve. >> capri: you have to say why and how. >> dagen: this is the party of identity politics, is it not? so who is the most guilty of a faux pas on that note? it might be elizabeth warren. allowing harvard law school to present you as their first woman of color? and the new came out with a dna test and you have to go back to the late 1700s to find your native american heritage? she is going to get lambasted.

>> kennedy: what's amazing, as we watch the shutdown showdown, people are saying, "we can't trust the president because his views on the wall have changed. his language has changed." >> melissa: good point, we are that in the last block. >> kennedy: his ideology is essentially the same. the manifestation is different. but this is a complete shift in ideology. i'm glad the kamala harris record is coming out in california, because it is abhorrent. and your view on civil people to rot in jail when they are essentially innocent, and she has the power to exonerate or free them and she doesn't take those opportunities -- i'm glad "the new york times" published that piece by the loyola law professor. >> dagen: can a recent issue really quickly? are they going to hammer each other when they debate custom work are they going to hammer each other when they -- when they are on the campaign trail, rather than just talking about president trump? >> melissa: we've got to to go. take two, president trump and north korean leader kim jong will take place in a second summit next month after

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>> kennedy: this is a fox news alert. a nonpartisan global security think tank claimed to discover an undisclosed ballistic missile base in north korea. this according to reports from beyond parallel, a project sponsored by the center for strategic and international studies. that report says there may be nearly 20 secret missile sites in the country. it came out just hours after the white house announced a second summit between president trump and north korean leader kim jong un. that's going to come up in february. bloomberg reporting it is said to take place in vietnam, which fox news has reported as a

potential site. vice president pence, yesterday, on fox news sunday saying stay tuned for more details. >> the president will be announcing details in the days ahead create the meeting that took place this week confirmed there will be a second summit, and at that summit we will be laying out our expectation for north korea to take concrete steps to begin to make real the denuclearization that kim jong un committed to. the president is very optimistic. >> kennedy: this is what's so tricky, david. you want peace and denuclearization in north korea, but it's also incredibly hard to trust them. and it wouldn't be a surprise if they had 20 secret ballistic missile testing sites. >> david: you just got it right. one, there are lots of sites. we will discover them over time. that's not really new news, whether one group puts it out or another. i wouldn't be worried about that. the summit is a step forward, or at least a step in the right direction. what comes out of it, or is the vice president said, the demands of the metrics that are set.

do we make sense customer it will be a joint lead, it will be baby steps. we are doing other things for north korea that i have discussed. we are giving people their information. the cross-border interaction between south and north korea, that is bringing the people more information. the black market is growing. their society is really falling apart underneath, and kim jong un wants to survive and stay in power and to stay in office and be safe. his fight is going to be with his generals. that gives us an opening. there is a big opening here, a big important part of this is china. china's growth, which we just found through a number of reports is under what it's being reported, gives more leverage for china. this is a much bigger game than just two people in the room. >> kennedy: wouldn't it be better for the u.s. to be spearheading these conversations? and somehow opening the door in north korea, then china? >> dagen: china has an incredibly important relationships north korea.

>> kennedy: and a very intelligent one. >> dagen: right. in terms of exporting energy into north korea. basically creating and helping support a black market economy for north korea. we are taking on china and north korea simultaneously. we have shored up relations with the whole of southeast asia, for example. japan, south korea, even india. it's very important, if the summit does go through, that we get more out of north korea than we did during the last -- >> kennedy: what about japan? there are those watching this who worry that too much of a capitulation to north korea is going to upset one of our most important allies. >> dagen: absolutely. i would guess it won't happen, that capitulation that you are talking about. no sanctions until you move to denuclearize, period. we need more than a statement that is less than 500 words during last summit. it offered no timeline or road

map for the steps needed to achieve -- >> david: but there wasn't a timeline to build within. >> kennedy: i want to bring capri in. the >> capri: just real quick. one thing i would like to pose to you guys, i understand that this summit is probably going to happen in february. we were talking about the role that china has in its in fledge a position with north korea. if not i'm not our detente with china is march 1st pair that ends march 1st. i'm curious to see how these two things might be intertwined. >> melissa: somehow might be. >> david: they are. >> capri: let me put it this way. if, indeed, we don't get what we want coming out of this discussion and summit with north korea, to be then take that out on china as well? >> kennedy: i want to bring that -- because you are so certain that there is a direct correlation between the north korea summit and the china deadline. what is that? >> melissa: i had thought from the beginning that there was definitely an intersection of trying to have these trade relationships with china, we

continue to have these arguments with them over trade, to try and get things back on an equal footing. underlying all of that is, as their economy hurts, they are able to help north korea less. when we put pressure on them economically. that is putting pressure on the north korea as well come through the whole exchange. i have always thought those things were intertwined. and it is not a coincidence that right now, as china is hurting in those talks are continuing, kim is coming back to the table. >> capri: that's why i say stay tuned to see what happens. >> dagen: i just want to explain, we were talking about china's economy being weak. last year it was the weakest it has been since 1990. that is based on reported figures. it was actually weaker in the last quarter of the year than it was earlier in terms of growth. it's still growing north of 6%. again, this gives us negotiating leverage in the trade talks and in the talks with -- >> kennedy: in a state-run economy, they are able to shield the other numbers that will give us a much clearer picture.

>> david: a senior economic official, someone who wrote the report, he's now in a lot of trouble for talking about the growth rates being lower than 2%. somewhere along 1.6, this came out in the last week. if to pull back and go back for a moment, about 60,000 feet, and look at this. the national secure to counsel in the first round of talks, the president in the end of pacific region to bring us all to give a previously multi-tiered strategy, the economic component is extremely important with china because it's also their relationships around the world and their inability to keep north korea. this gives us leverage in dealing with north korea. so, look -- pull back, but look at a long game, not closely at each meeting. >> kennedy: facebook could make history. not in a good way. the seo oak, sheryl sandberg, as they have had a tough year. federal regulators are considering a record-setting sign over facebook privacy violations. what does that mean for the company going forward?

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♪ >> dagen: facebook may be facing new trouble. regulators of the federal trade commission reportedly considering a record-setting fine on the social media giant.

facebook faces allegations of violating a legally-binding agreement to protect users' privacy. chief operating officer sheryl sandberg admitting that the company had a rough 2018. watch this. >> at facebook, these last few years have been really difficul difficult. we know we need to do better at making sure we can anticipate the risks that come from connecting so many people. we need to stop abuse more quickly, and we need to do more to protect peoples' data. >> dagen: punishment will mark allegations that cambridge analytica had breached the personal information of 87 million facebook users. melissa, she should come out and say, "we've made money, about $5 billion per quarter, off of basically putting your private data and information at risk."

>> melissa: but the people volunteer for that. i think the problem with what's going on right now is "the new york times" has done very extensive reporting with lots of different people to prove the fact that sheryl sandberg and mark zuckerberg knew long before they revealed to other people what was going on the platform with russia penetrating the platform, doing what they wanted to do there, and that they then went to congress and played down what had happened. and they played it down all the risks, also, to the customers. the problem is that when she goes back out on tour to try and do an apology, it starts everyone is disingenuous. and she tries to sort of create a narrative where they are somehow the victim. that "we are going to do more to anticipate what's happening to us." no, you knew what was happening. you covered it up. >> dagen: is not just about russia, it's their business model. their business model is basically taking her most personal, private information and selling it.

>> kennedy: it's making a much of money. it's really interesting, because if you look at the company, all she mark zuckerberg do debt and he doesn't do it is what she does, he throws her out to get run over by the bus repeatedly -- is to make these baby-lotion soft little, "we are so sorry. will you hold my hand? we argue. we want to be better." in this light, if you constantly have to say that over and over again, you are not doing better. >> david: can i say this question rick this happens every time i'm sitting next to kennedy. i get to have my kennedy moment once an hour. >> dagen: you have 15 seconds to do it! >> david: government getting in involved in it, government, stay the heck out it's their fault, not governmen government. >> dagen: i'm not saying there's a role for government, but this is my protection for the system of government will do. no more acquisition. they are going after the nerd robber barons. they are not going to let them

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on facebook and everything i have told them is a total lie. i'm like 30 years old. [laughter] >> kennedy: are you not really a capricorn? >> david: by the way, i love how you say fine. >> dagen: you are fine! we are back tomorrow at noon eastern. here is melissa francis. >> melissa: fox news alert, the partial government shutdown now in its 31st day with democrats not budging after the president offered a compromise. this is "outnumbered overtime," i'm melissa francis in today for harris faulkner. we begin with president trump slamming democrats for rejecting his offer of integration protections in exchange for wall funding. saying they only care about 2020. democrats say they can't accept the deal because it doesn't ensure permanent protections for dreamers. regardless, democratic unity could be put to a test as senate majority leader mitch mcconnell vows to hold a vote this week on the president's proposal. a top republi