walking out of the police station in helena. >> sandra: the senate and house back to work today. we will see what happens p thank you very much, eric. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> melissa: fox news alert, less than an hour from now, the senate will be back in session as republicans prepared to introduce a bill to reopen the government. drawing on president trump's proposal which democrats have already rejected. this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. here today is harris faulkner, town hall editor and fox news contributor katie pavlich, fox news contributor jessica tarlov, and joining us on the couch, josh holmes, former republican strategists and chief of staff to senator mitch mcconnell. what a perfect day to have you here. we are about to see some action, we hope. we want to lean on you and find out what would be the smartest thing going forward. a couple seconds to think about that? don't move. [laughter] senate majority leader mitch mcconnell reportedly looking to force democrats to

either support the bill or blog for g.o.p. efforts to europe and the government. this, at the white house is accusing democrats of "playing politics with people's lives," as the shutdown drags on. placing the blame on house speaker nancy pelosi. watch this. >> she won't even have a conversation with the president. she was very clear that if we did everything the democrats wanted, if we voted for every piece they wanted, then they would talk to us. when the president with a forger is a proposal, "fine, i will do whatever you want, we have a conversation with me about border security? "she said one word. no. that's where we stand right now. >> melissa: democratic senator richard blumenthal says it's the president standing in the way of government reopening. watch this. >> there have been negotiations, but there will be no successful negotiations until the government reopens. the reason we are in this dilemma is that the president has made demands, and is simply insisting on a vanity project.

a campaign promise, or applause line. no president should be able to take the nation hostage to achieve a personal triumph. >> melissa: in the meantime, "the washington post" reports senate republicans are now standing staunchly behind president trump's demand for border wall funding. citing interviews with more than 40 republican senators and aides. only six editors tell the post the government should reopen without wall funding. this, just weeks after the g.o.p.-led senate passed a spending bill excluding funding for the wall. the president today tweeting, "never seen a senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and republicans so united on any issue than they are on the humanitarian crisis and security on our southern border. if we create a wall or barrier which prevents criminals and drugs from flowing into our country, crime will go down. by record numbers." so no one better to talk to about what the senate majority leader has two due now than you,

since you used to be his right-hand man. he said something on saturday, everybody has made their point now and it's time to make law. we know where everyone stands, we know what they want and what they don't want. how does he facilitate all these people coming to the table? because there is a deal to be had. everybody wants something, everybody hate something prayed let's trade. how do you do it? >> josh: there absolutely is, this has gone on long enough. i think the backdrop to the senate action this week as of the senate, mitch mcconnell in particular, being absolutely fed up with speaker pelosi's response last week. in particular the letter that she sent to the president denying him the opportunity to have the state of the union. that is way out-of-bounds. it's completely unproductive when it comes to actually coming to a solution. what we saw on saturday with the president announcing the compromise path forward should be something the democrats can support. remember, we have had shutdowns over everything short of war and peace. entitlement programs, a massive disagreement. this is over $4 billion in the

context of a $4 trillion budget. >> melissa: how do you get them to come in and say, "we see this, this is not acceptable i'm a but we want is this." tell us qui rask's. can mitch mcconnell do that can he come in and say, "here's what we want instead?" >> josh: i think what happens is they will be pressure and allow democrats. particularly new democrats on the house who ran under the metal being pragmatists. when you're looking at a $4 billion discrepancy in the four chilean dollars budget , there's ways to be. they're going to have to look for constrictions constituents. and see that nancy pelosi's formula of saying no isn't working. how do we get it done, and get a hundred thousand people back to work? perhaps they want to get something done that i said it was going to run on, which is dhaka and every thing else. this is an opportunity for compliments for both sides. they can walk away sincerely and look at their constituents and say, "i've done something here."

the question is whether speaker pelosi, who is tenuously sitting on top of the conference that doesn't really support her, actually can hold people back. >> harris: i would add this, because you mentioned those people who mitch mcconnell might try to force. like senator doug jones, who took over roy moore's -- or, beat roy more in that state for the senate seat in alabama. this is a guy who has voted no on immigration, no on cavanaugh, no one spending cuts, no on abortion, and a very red trump state. now you're going to force them to be in a position to say no to opening the government. you can talk optics all day long, but now we are at the point of action. if democrats sit on the aisle that says, "we are going to say no even to an idea that has some of our former yeses in it," you asked the question. can senator mcconnell do it? i think he can. i think he says game on, and this is the game afoot. this is the bill we passed the senate. if they can get it through the senate. >> melissa: jessica, what do

they want in exchange? the president wants the border security funding. he's offering daca. the >> jessica: he's not, though. he's offering a three year deal. >> melissa: what do you want, five year deal? >> jessica: permanent status or citizenship for dreamers. today the supreme court took a step in saying they won't take up the daca issue, saying that the lower court ruling will stay in place. which means that the recipients are protected. the extended protections, the thing that we already have. what is really most dangerous is the drafted changes to be a silent process. >> melissa: i understand those points in everybody's talking about what they don't like, but i'm saying this is a golden opportunity. you say that they bring permanent status for daca? >> jessica: i think it certainly has to part of it. but the 11 million to 13 million already here remain untouched. >> harris: is that with the president had previously offered on that? >> jessica: no, he had absolute nod. he did not offer a permanent status. >> melissa: do you think

democrats do that in exchange for more money? that indexing for about him he wants a bigger piece of the wall? because he said, "i will do that, but that has to be part of a bigger discussion." would you do don't not go down that road? >> jessica: i think some will be open to the conversation and the president is using more flexible linkage with how he describes his portable system. the truth of the matter is, the conversation we are having right here very politely isn't what's going out there in the polling territories. he's losing more and more support for forcing the portable issue that didn't matter to them to this level the past two years. suddenly wakes up he doesn't have any control anymore, and he shuts down the government over it. and 800,000 people are going to have to go to food bank lines. >> melissa: let's talk about how this plays into the state of the union. the tit for tat is frustrating a lot of americans. john roberts is reporting that, as of now, the president has every intention of delivering the state of union at the capitol on january 29th.

here's the deputy white house spokesman, hogan gidley, earlier. >> nancy pelosi does not dictate to the president when he will or will not have a conversation with the american people. the state of the union address is set up so the president can explain what's going on with our government and what's going on around the globe. the president has an incredible story to tell about how far we've come in the story economically, international security capacity. >> katie: i think that's a good think of the president is giving the state of the union address on tuesday, as he was invited by nancy pelosi. instead of her rescinding her invitation, if she does really want him to be there, and having the courage to do so 100%, she falsely accused the secret service of not being capable of carrying out their jobs. not being able to secure the venue for this event on capitol hill, which was completely a lie. and she said she didn't care that she was called out by reporters for falsely stating they couldn't handle the situation. it's good that he's going to go up there, i question whether

democrats will show up. we've had them boycott his speeches before. at the same time that nancy pelosi continues to play games, and the president gives them things that they voted for in the past, whether it's barriers on the border or protections for daca recipients, dreamers. they continued to say no. he's but many things on the table. i think nancy pelosi takes for granted her voting base and the base of the left. as harris always brings up, she's been protested before for not protecting daca recipients in a way that she has promised to do. i think people are starting to notice that when push comes to shove and it's put on the table, she is more about politically scoring points than she is about scoring points for the people she claims to want to protect. >> harris: we will get to this more on "overtime" at 1:00 p.m. eastern. but the tipping point for me, josh, is what's happening at the airports across the country. a 10% workforce sick-out to for tsa. it's affecting the way we do business in this country, because this is a work week

people. this is not necessarily leisure time as we wrap up the mlk weekend. now we get down to the nitty-gritty. who do you think that was the most pressure on? >> josh: i think saturday the president made the first real overture toward democrats. thus far, speaker pelosi said she will give him $1 for a while. that's not a tenable position or acknowledging reality. republicans have this white house and the majority in the united states senate. they're going to get something out of it. the question is whether democrats get something, too. i would look at this from a moderate democrat point of view, to say that this is very uncomfortable. i would be much more comfortable actually getting something done, whether it's daca or something in exchange or with the president wants to get done. after all -- >> harris: can they get the votes in the senate? can they get seven democrats are doing so they the proposal going forward? then pitch it to the house, and make democrats vote against it if they don't really want in the house? >> josh: there's an awful lot of democrats in the senate that have been more beholden to chuck schumer and their leadership than they have to their constituents. it's going to be a real test.

>> melissa: i want to add this coming in from john roberts. this was sent by the white house director, given that we blocked valuable time over the past week, my team would like to reschedule the walk-through for this monday if at all possible. stay tuned and see if that happens. in the meantime, she is new to the presidential race, but democrat kamala harris already under fire from progressives. what's in her past record as a prosecutor that is troubling her party's left, and whether this poses a big hurdle. plus, some democrats tear into the president on martin luther king day. whether the angry rhetoric has gone too far. >> we have a hater in the white house. the bursar in chief of the grand wizard of 1600 pennsylvania avenue. ♪ mom! he's blinking too loud. sorry, is that too loud? you don't need any more hormones in your house. that's why you chose kraft natural cheese.

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to refer to the present. hakeem jeffries refer to the president as a kkk grand wizard. at an event observing mlk day. watch it. >> we have a hater in the white house. the birther-in-chief of the grand wizard of 1600 pennsylvania avenue. among the things that we've learned is that while jim crow may be dead, he still got some nieces and nephews that are alive and well. >> harris: meanwhile, saturday bernie sanders called the president a recess at another event commemorating quality. >> it gives me no pleasure to tell you that we now have a president of the united states who is a racist. we have a president intentionally, purposefully, is trying to divide us up by the color of our skin. by our gender.

by the country we came from. by our religion. >> harris: at that same event in south carolina, senator cory booker of new jersey pointedly avoided mentioning the president in a plea for unity. >> let us be dissatisfied until men and women, however black for me be, will be judged on the basis of the content of their character, not on the basis of the color of their skin. >> harris: senator booker, who is also said to be waiting a white house run, later told reporters, "it's not about what we are against, but what we are for. i'm trying to unite americans because there is not a right or left me to move forward. you move forward by moving forward." katie pavlich? >> katie: i hate when politicians make the statements about it not being about left or right. because obviously it is. the left holds certain principles, the right holds certain principles. the one thing i really do not like is this continuing use of racism as a political weapon.

because it has created an entirely toxic environment in this country that is unnecessary and doesn't allow anyone to move forward, as cory booker would like. at the same time that they are calling the president of the united states a "grand wizard," which then implies that the tens of millions of people who voted for him support a grand wizard in the white house. a kkk member, leader of the kkk, that they voted for somebody like that -- that's pretty offensive. when you look at the reason people voted for trump, it was economic and other kinds of reasons for it but they were sick and tired of being called racist forcibly disagreeing on policy. i think democrats have to be careful here in going way too far when it comes to these types of accusations. insulting that is the president, but regular everyday americans who decided to cast their vote for donald trump. >> harris: it's an interesting point that katie is making, jessica, because it's wider than the president. as she sang. it also gets into maybe some of those independents out there, as well, which both political parties say that they want.

what are these politicians trying to say about americans? >> jessica: i would add to that moderate republicans, who haven't been pleased. maybe give trump a chance in 2016 because they thought they would get tax cuts and the supreme court justices they wanted. but they are looking for a viable alternative. >> harris: why the name calling? >> jessica: i think there's a difference between talking abut the president of hospice record or past actions and using kkk grand wizard terminology. that's absolutely has no place in our dialogue prayed yesterday especially, when we were supposed be committing the life and legacy of dr. martin luther king, that cory booker have the right message on that particular day. not to be name-calling and discussing the history of race in this country. the problems that we continue to face as a result. to be constructive about it. i want to add as well that mike pence took the opportunity to compare the president to martin luther king, which is obviously ridiculous. and the king family has reacted to that. no one should ever compare themselves or anyone you know to martin luther king. >> harris: why are we doing

that to begin with in general? >> jessica: i don't know why vice president pence thought that was a good idea. take that day especially to just celebrate him. only tweet about him. do not tear down other american americans. >> harris: and that's for both parties. >> melissa: katie makes a really good. jessica, i love you, i think we have a lot of the same values in that we want equality, we want justice, we want opportunity. we disagree on the policies that would get us to that point. but it's not like we think the other one is a bad person. and that's where things get really dicey. you can only control your own behavior, you can only control your own mouth and we say about of the people. my family, we took mlk day as an opportunity to do a service opportunity at our church. to mix images for almost come to bring stuff in and work together. i demonstrated to them, you can only control your own behavior. in being good engineers to the people around you. name-calling doesn't help, but i don't know that the condemning of the name-calling helps. just get back out of that

conversation. >> harris: i want to step in with some facts and toxic politics if we can. you are also looking at south carolina, you've got to move these leaders who were there on opposite messages. bernie sanders and cory booker. but they are there because there are ten majority african-american states. i should say, they are politically there. and south carolina is on the list. it could lead the way for states like mississippi, louisiana, georgia, and so forth. >> josh: you bet, that's certainly why there is this it because you saw over the weekend. it's sad they have to look at it in the political context. it's well worth celebrating it any context, political or otherwise. i think what i am most troubled by his this sort of race to embrace the most caustic possible vocabulary in our public discourse right now. when you have 20 democrats who are looking at running for president, it takes a lot to stand out. i think what you are seeing from some of the candidates is a

choice that they willingly make to embrace the most caustic and divisive rhetoric you can embrace, the cost of tearing apart society. >> katie: there's a double standard between who would hold the cannibal new site. while louis farrakhan continues to hope the women's march, kirsten gillibrand who is running for president in 2020 marches with the women's march and doesn't condemn them. and yet he's a guy who has called for the annihilation of an entire population of people. who is very homophobic. they get away with it. >> jessica: the differences they lost -- >> katie: but you still have major players in the democratic side refusing to -- >> jessica: i think you're some children should not have done that, but -- >> harris: getting back to the conversation, hakeem jeffries' top shelf leadership in the house. it's like you have some candidate who never ran for anything who nobody knows, going in singly things. i will give you a quick last word. >> josh: i think it's indicative of the pressure that each politician is feeling of

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>> melissa: president trump's attorney, rudy giuliani, says his team spoke with counsel mueller's office last week about

last week's buzzfeed news article which alleged that trump ordered his former lawyer, michael cohen, to lie to congress. mueller's office disputed that article. giuliani saying, "we commend them for standing up for the truth. there are no texts or emails or other documents to corroborate buzzfeed's claim, for the simple reason that it is not true. whoever is responsible for this is lying." buzzfeed news editor in chief, ben smith, says the outlet stands by the report and urges the special counsel to make clear what he is disputing. in the meantime, giuliani also said in a statement that president trump did not talk to cohen before he falsely testified to congress about plans to develop a skyscraper in moscow during the 2016 presidential campaign. this, after giuliani's previous assertion that such talks may have taken place. giuliani telling sunday's "new york times" that trump was involved in the deal until the

day he won the 2016 presidential election. then, he quickly walked back those remarks yesterday, saying "my recent sequence but discussions during the 2016 campaign between michael cohen and then-candidate donald trump about a potential trump moscow project rather methodical and not based on conversations i had with the president. ." how do you sort through all that close to mike >> josh: is a little tough. let's start with the buzzfeed piece. clearly it was absolutely outrageous. the fact that the mueller team felt the need for the first time in their existence to directly rebut a piece tells you something about the veracity of the claims. remember, there have been a ton of different false reporting about what the mueller team is or is not doing. so the fact that they stepped in here reiterates how egregious they believed the false nature of the buzzfeed piece was. that being said, let's set it aside. the giuliani pieces a little

mystifying to me. from a legal standpoint, we are also used to lawyers for anything having sort of a buttoned up talking points the type of approach that reflects their legal strategy. >> harris: so it's not that? [laughs] >> josh: clearly that is not what rudy giuliani is subscribing to. the president obviously has a different mission for him. far be it for me to understand what that is, but it's will be confusing given the back and forth on some of these things that i think would be a lot easier to explain if you just sort of got to the end of it first before going through all the machinations. >> melissa: what do you think the objective is here questioning to clarify things, or to muddy the waters? >> katie: my only thought at this point is they are doing it on purpose to try and further confuse the situation. i don't know. rudy giuliani needs to get his story straight, i think. he's very can contradictory and what he sang. it doesn't help their case in the public eye, which is apparently what he was trying to do since he's going out and doing these interviews. changing a story, walking back,

commenting on issues that maybe he doesn't even need to comment on publicly because some of the reporting might not even be true. his continuing response to these things is confusing and not helpful to the president at all. on the buzzfeed thing, the special counsel has actually come out twice throughout the investigation. both times it was to talk about how the media is screwing everything up and tell the stories they are putting out there aren't actually necessarily things that should be believed. when you have the special counsel coming after you for the false report, on top of the trump white house -- combining together as a team for the first time in two years to condemn your story, there are big questions. i want to know who the sources were. >> jessica: i think we saw ben smith on the sunday talk circuit saying, "we stand by reporting, we would like merely to clarify." there's also an ankle out there that may be the source comes from the fdny indecision and not the mueller probe. because the fdny was far more willing to say that president trump had directed

cohen to do something than mueller had. on the couch we were pretty safe about it saying, "if true, big deal." rather than sing every things happening on trump is going to jail tomorrow. there was another article on the rudy giuliani french. he got in there before had to jump in the shower, where he said, "i listen to the tapes. there were no tapes. but if there were tapes, he didn't do anything wrong. maybe they will say i like her trump, but maybe they won't because saint peters a fan of mine." >> harris: are those the binary choices? [laughs] those two choices? >> jessica: i'm not sure the strategy is to confuse us there. i'm not saying that you are wrong there. i'm saying that would make me feel better about what's going on if there was some strategy to this. but i think that president trump, who i'm not a massive fan of personal income although i respect the office, is not being served well by this managed to get the off the new

circuit. they should try to protect the president do their work quietly in offices like normal lawyers. >> harris: and while the members of the media set themselves on fire, don't hand them a bucket of distraction. because we need to know where the truth is. if that's where we are going, don't distract us from it. democrat senator and possible 2020 presidential candidate jeff merkley once the fbi to open a perjury investigation into homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen. senator merkley claiming he obtained a draft memo that shows the trump administration was drafting policy to separate migrant families of the southern border as early as december of 2017. the white house denies that characterization. now, the senator wants the secretary of homeland security to be held responsible for what she told congress. >> in december 2017, the planning is underway and they are talking about child separation as an integral part of a policy that will deter

families from coming to our border. then we have the secretary of homeland security absolutely denying all of this under oath, to congress. and i am just sick and tired of this administration lying to the american people, lying to congress, doing it under oath. >> harris: a spokeswoman for dhs responded that the administration never had a blanket policy of separating families in custody. secretary nielsen has been questioned on this repeatedly, including this tense exchange with democrat congressman louis gutierrez just days before christmas. >> shame on s for wearing our bag of christianity during christmas and allowing the president to come here and live. >> calling the alaris fighting words. i'm not a liar. we never had a policy for the patient brain i'm happy to walk the gym and through it again. a policy of similar separation of me that any family that i encountered in the interior, i would separate. it would mean that any family i founded port of entry, i would

separate. it would mean that every single family that i found a leak across income we would separate. we did none of those. >> harris: what do you think us to mark i think it would fix this is conference of immigration reform. and it's very frustrated that we wouldn't talking about for such a long time. and lawmakers have failed to sit down and do anything. they have instead used it as a political weapon. i think the american people see through it and it's dependably frustrating. >> harris: josh? >> josh: jeff merkley is trying to fix it i think breed is one of the most part of the members of the united states senate. guess what he's doing? he's trying on his 2020 shoes. over the last couple of months he has discussed whether he himself is running for president. hearkening back to our conversation a couple seconds ago about what you have to do to get noticed. a guy has legislative record, he's got to run beyond sort of kicking up as much dust as he could possibly kick up. i guess the secretary of home unsecured you find yourself in the cross hairs as a result.

>> harris: jessica, as is the only way to go forth? to just continue investigate and dig deeper? you have the secretary on record saying, "don't call me a liar." >> jessica: but you also have the secretary reversing her position pray there was a white house briefing where she said we don't have a policy of separating families. then she had to come back and admit that that wasn't the case. the reason that jeff merkley is on this right now is we found out last week that thousands more children were separated from their families than we knew initially. yes, people are trying on their 2020 shoes or pass her answer whatever you want to call it. but these are serious issues. all of us here are concerned about the fact that these children were taken from these families and cap that detention centers. and their care is not the part. i don't think it's fair at all the seats about grandson and created serious. >> josh: if he wasn't concerned about it, why would he inject this in the middle of a shutdown debate and see if you

get something done instead of grants and a question mark >> harris: that's a fair question. >> katie: there are things that dhs has presented to congress that would actually change his problem of family separation. i use that term" because we call it family separation, but there are thousands of children were being given to men who are not their parents and taken into united states, and they said that there their kids. for reasons to protect the child, they are separated. to make sure they're not being traffic, and taken back into mexico and paired up with another strange family or parents. this is a big complicated issue than saying the trump administration -- which the obama administration did come too. the reason they are coming in as family units come if you come in as a family unit you don't get separated. you get released into the interior of the united states. this was a way to try and stop that from happening and it was a way to prevent human trafficking of children. nobody's talking about the conference of nature of that problem.

they're using it as a public point. >> harris: it's a huge immigration reform package thereafter look look at. does anybody think that's going to happen right now? with the government shutdown? >> katie: i think you raise the a sound bar to a higher standard, and you change the standards of deporting people here from mexico. >> harris: or, as josh said, let's get the ball rolling on the topic since we are already in there. you call that to do that. "kamala harris, defending a record as a prosecutor put on her first year's presidential candidate, the flak she is getting from the left. and what this may say about today's democratic party. ♪ mom and dad got a new car.

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united states congress is that bob mueller be able to finish his investigation. the american public had a right to know what actually went on, and we can make a decision in the courts. but it's also possible that decisional be made by the congress. >> jessica: read out the gate, kamala harris says her top priority will be protecting the mueller probe. she followed up with a list of progressive initiatives on her gender. but harris also spent her first day as a presidential candidate defending her record as california attorney general. this, after progressive has attacked her for backing the state's department of corrections and denying gender reassignment surgery to inmates. harris said she did not personally support the decision and that she worked behind the scenes to make sure transgender inmates got the medical care they needed. >> my clients took positions that were contrary to my beliefs. the bottom line is the buck stops with me and i take full responsibility for what my office did. on that issue, i will tell you,

i vehemently disagree. in fact, i worked behind the scenes to ensure that the department of corrections would allow transitioning inmates to receive the medical attention that they required net, and deserved. >> jessica: a bit of a tough first day but she was certainly ready for. as was kirsten gillibrand, i did a bunch of mail cope ups as. would you think of her as a candidate? >> josh: i maintain that kamala harris will be one of the strongest contenders because he checks an awful lot of boxes for the democratic primary voters. she somebody who i think comes across as very reasonable. whether she has reasonable views come on the other hand -- the one thing i never would have imagined is that they one of her candidacy would be an attack for not being progressive enough. but if you look at what they're talking about there, with gender reassignment surgery for inmates, for prisoners in state prison, it's not about gender reassignment. it's about whether the state

pays for gender reassignment of prisoners. somehow that's a new litmus test for a democratic primary voters. it just gives you an idea of where we're headed here in terms of their lurch the left. >> jessica: i would also add to that, melissa, never litmus test was put out there that she couldn't call yourself african-american because she has a jamaican father and an indian mother. i don't want to see an "eating our own" rehashing of 2016, but it seems unfair on day one. >> melissa: i wonder -- no, it seems incredible and fair, i agree with you. and i agree with what you said, that she seems like a strong and tough and smart candidate. i wonder how far to the left after go in the primary purpose of the same problem republicans have. if you can have it back to the center and the general. it seems like the test for these democrats is so tough, if you look of the things they are being questioned about. i would ask you, in the case of kirsten gillibrand, it's a

little harder because of the things that she voted for. then to say that she's not for those positions, do you think that she can walk that line? especially when it comes to some of those things shoot supported on the immigration front before that she now says she does not support. >> jessica: i don't think he's as viable a candidate as center terraces. harris, i want to get you in on this. >> harris: i want to go back to the comments that were just made a couple moments ago. because it will think of thought about that hard. my parents come from one of those, on my mother's side, from one of those expletive countries, as the president has called it. haiti. i never thought of myself as anything other than black. but if we want to go down the road would want to litigate african-americans, that's so far afield from the economy. democrats love to figure out how to compete with the record jobs for people who will get me. no matter what you call us. >> katie: i think of toxic weight continued division on the left. you're going to parse

african-american with jamaican or whatever it is. we are american, how about that? you're in a primary, running a primary on the democratic side to get american votes. this is how you could tell they are running a primary, how far left they have become. for someone like kamala harris to have to almost run against criminal justice and against "law & order," to somehow fit into this left-wing players, it shows how divided the party is. >> harris: i think we have already been down that road and artful mentor already. we don't need to revisit that, no matter which side of the political aisle. >> jessica: we started with the bursar is this morning, as will. moving on. calling for a resolution behind the president's reelection bid. is it necessary, and what does it say about the republican party? we will debate it next. ♪ the fact is, americans move more than anyone else in the world. on average, we'll live in eleven homes.

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♪ >> katie: 100% support for president trump's reelection campaign. that's what the republican national committee members calling for. he wants the rnc to vote on a resolution at its winter meeting which starts tomorrow in new mexico. the committeeman says, "so "so-called republicans must stop

collaborating with the liberal mainstream media and sowing the seeds of disunity and the party." in an email to fellow committee members, he wrote "the failure to pass a resolution supporting his renomination reelection will be seen by some as a sign that we would welcome jeff flake, ben sasse, mitt romney, larry hogan, or another never-trumper challenging president trump in the primaries, caucus, and conventions." the rnc has not officially come in commented, but they have told the "washington examiner" that some type of resolution is likely to come up for vote and be passed at the meeting. how do you feel about this resolution? do resolutions mean anything? >> josh: no, they don't. having worked at the rnc, reached out with a lot of these over the years. they are not binding and all that significant. budget think it's a recognition in some ways of the obvious pay the rnc is going to be supporting the president's reelection. that's not -- anybody surprised by that is out to lunch. you got universal support within the membership of the committee,

but you've also got 85% of registered primary voters that largely think he is doing a good job. there's not any room in the republican party at this point for a significant primary challenge to president trump. i don't think think you resolun changes that. >> katie: we have some rumblings of john kasich saying he may jump in, a story last week of larry hogan, a popular republican voter of maryland. what do you think about them decide to come out at this winter retreat and may be not waiting until next year? >> melissa: i agree with you that it seems like there isn't anyone who's going to put up a real challenge. i don't know, it's healthy, i think, to have anyone who wants to run come out and say they want to run. i would ask you, what does it change among people in the party? does it have a chilling effect on people who might want to come out, or do they say doesn't matter? maybe it just gives the rnc something to do and talk about. is that it? [laughter]

>> josh: for the john kasichs of the world come and people who would be challenging the president largely from the left, nothing the rnc is going to do will deter them from that message. that is their lane and they are sticking to it. >> katie: we don't like to scratch we just on the left segment the public democrats. will they say "trump is going to be the guy, why do they have to state the obvious?" >> jessica: i think democrats have so much on the plate ran out of the were divided. other than that, i don't think they care. i would add to this with the president probably would like to see the rnc do some sort of unity resolution because you not much has loved loyalty. he works closely with them. he's been a prolific fund-raiser for the rnc. they have a good relation ship with one another. i'm sure there is a tweet ready to be fired off of saying, "the votes are in and i'm the popular republican in the history of the world! ronald reagan ain't got nothing on the!" i imagine that has something to

do with it. >> josh: i will say, what carries more significance in my mind that a resolution is how the integrated operations have become. there've been a lot of articles over the past few days. it's actually pretty impressive how the trump reelecting team and the rnc have been working at this point. it's not the easiest marriage. in this case, it's proving to be -- >> jessica: that brings a point about the challenges, because i don't think that john kasich or jeff flake will be deterred by this. but how can they build a data game as strong as the trump team and the rnc to get a postmark you can't. is it even viable or something you want to show up and have a few debates? >> katie: josh, are they learning lessons from the 2016 campaign? because there was a split all the way up until the rnc convention, which is why they hired paul manafort to make sure all the delegates got in line. some of you they're just trying to do some damage control early on. >> josh: any time you try to marionette anything in politics at this level, kind of gets more difficult for them. i think there's probably a tendency to sort of shy away from that this time around. >> katie: the winter retreat is happening. we will be right back.

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when my kids ask, "when is the shutdown going to end?" is little addressing that i don't know. [laughter] we are back at noon eastern tomorrow. now here is harris. >> harris: are be any closer? fox news alert, dueling bills reopen the government as a partial government shutdown hits day 32. a new month. federal workers are risking missing a second paycheck. this is "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. senate republicans say they hope to begin debate today on the president's shutdown proposal. democrats have already rejected it, saying it does not go far enough in protecting dreamers. house democrats plan to push ahead with their own bill to reopen the government, but if lawmakers don't reach a deal, federal workers will miss another paycheck this friday. meanwhile, the white house is urging swift action on the president's plan. here is deputy press secretary hogan gidley. >> at the expectations are clear.