hear from you. if you have something to tell us that we covered at sean hannity on twitter and of course hannity.com where it says sean. linda, we'll read those on the air, linda -- what do i --. >> laura: wait, what, who? i was racing because of the time. i don't want to be like tucker and steal your time, which i already did. >> laura: wait a second. is this -- is this -- sam? who? what? who are you? that's actually really funny. i got something on you. i got the goods. >> sean: you got me. >> laura: but hannity [ indiscernible ] . >> sean: can you believe the 9th month, though? the 9th month abortion? >> laura: of course you can. this is their religion. it's not roman kath thol la sis many any more, it's abortion. >> sean: those kids could survive on their own. >> laura: they got a standing

ovation. >> sean: this is about the 9th month. >> laura: first day, last day, it's all a life. great show the tonight, thanks shoech. we'll talk to you later. i'm laura ingraham and this is the "ingraham angle" from washington tonight. anything go shapgsz continuing throughout the night. oh is the light on? where is the light? yeah it's on there. as the deal on the wall and an end to the shutdown could be on the horizon? well we have some latest news that might throw some cold water on. that mercedes schlapp from the white house will join us in just a bit. and the ingraham court is in session. i love this segment. but first, the privilege that matters. that's the focus of tonight's angle. unless you've lived under a rock these past few years you might have heard of a phrase tossed around by liberals that is designed it make you feel guilty. well guilty if you're not a minority. it's called white privilege. >> when we talk about white

privilege, you can just imagine that the poorest white woman in this country can call the cops on a black person and be believed there are thousands of white men who benefit from white privilege who are still in positions of power white privilege is like -- it's not made up. like it is a thing, by virtue of people just giving you the benefit of the doubt when you walk into a room. >> laura: really? did nick sandmann and the rest of the covington catholic students get the benefit of the doubt last weekend? this face-to-face confrontation igniting charges of racism. surrounding a native american smirking at him and looking down their noses at him. why do we always do this in these sorts of cases when white boys are involved until we give privilege to these white kids. >> laura: some on line political terrorist threatened unspeak believe violence against the boys and their families. guess what? the media just shrugged it off.

imagine if conservative activists had done something to female students following the women's march? when savannah guthrie sat down with the student at the center of the concocted controversy these are the type of questions she chose to ask: do you feel from this experience that you oh anybody an apology? do you see your own faults in any way? why didn't you walk away? there's something aggressive about standing there. standing your ground. do you think if you weren't wearing that hat, this might not have happened? >> laura: her facial expressions says it all. but then today, when guthrie the invited the native american activist in a the than phillips on, one bang of the drum, the privilege steamed to go the other way. >> how are you doing? this what is been a whirlwind

few days for you. do you think he should have apologized? and how did you feel until that moment? did you yourself feel threatened? have you feared for your own safety in the finally, i wonder what you feel now? >> laura: and notice the facial expression in this photo. she seemed to be in pain when she was with nick. well she treats mr. phillips with kid gloves, even after her earlier report disproved many of the charges that phillips had made against the covington kids. >> did you hear anyone say build that wall? it isn't audible on the video clips i think that are out there, but did you hear that? you know, i did hear that. and i have seen some out there on the internets where there's -- you can hear them saying build that wall. >> laura: on the internets!

got to get right on that. given the varying accounts of what happened and out right lies that he told the media, why on earth is phillips being treated like a delicate flower? while a kid who did nothing is grilled? why haven't the media actually examined the background of mr. phillips as well? why didn't savannah ask him for instance why he passed himself off as a vietnam combat vet when in fact he was a research visit serving at home who was also arrested for a salt and even at one point escaped from prison? no big deal. perhaps mr. phillips gets the benefit of the doubt in this case and others because among the media elites he enjoys something you might call minority privilege. in other words his heritage and his grievances both real and imagined entitle him to special treatment and consideration. by the way if you dare question his motives or his opinions,

then you're a racist, period. that's patently unjust. it's ridiculous. now look evil still exists and of course racism does exist. but this isn't is the 1950's when minorities were denied opportunities across the board and when hateful stereotypes were broadly applied to them. they genuinely suffered. thankfully things have changed. of course pockets of racism still exist and always will. but in the wake of the civil rights movement opportunities for all minorities now are vast. the election of minorities to congress, the senate a. appointments of minorities to the supreme court and of course the election of a black president. the success of minorities in action december i can't, business, sports, entertainment, it's inspiring. black or white or yellow or brown, we are all children of god. no one should be pro filed as a thug or gunned down for wearing

a hoodie at night and no one should be pro filed as a racist and the threatened for wearing a maga hat. with 2020 around the corner, i'm afraid this is all just going to get a lot worse. instead of looking beyond race, american elites are using it sin cli to divide us and to scare up new voters, they hope. meanwhile as frustrating as the current washington stalemate is, things are actually, believe it or not, getting better in america. just about everyone of all races and creeds have more money in their pockets, which means people should generally be less and not more angry and dissatisfied. but democrats can't have that going into the next election, can they? happy voters? they don't want them. nick sandmann didn't cower run away when he was confronted by the drum beater or those other angry black activists. too often republicans first instinct even when innocent is

to back down or apologize, in order to placate the left. but here was a kid, who with grace and dignity, maybe looking a little goofy, he's a kid, he stood his ground and refused to be bullied, even today. he wasn't standing up for white privilege or minority privilege, but for american privilege. the privilege to believe what you wish. and not to be attacked for it. and that's the angle. . >> laura: joining me now to react is michelle malkin, fantastic, on crtv along with democratic strategist scott bold did he know. great to have you both on. scott, isn't it now beyond obvious that mr. phillips was given the benefit of the doubt over these kids, principally due to his native american heritage? [ laughter ] i think not laura. you've got to be the first

commentator to suggest that there's a black privilege or indian privilege based on how he was treated. i thought both of those interviews by the other network, savannah guthrie, made a lot of sense and she was being delicate with him as a young kid and being just as delicate with the older jam, phillips. they have didn't get the benefit of the doubt. the black israelites and the kids were beef i, that's one beef. but the second beef had to do with phillips who was praying and banging his drum and the kids were doing tomahawk chops and not moving. i don't know what the intentions of the young man, salmon were but it's unfortunate. >> laura: what did you want them to do? the covington kids as far as i know were not involved in shouting any epithets or screaming at them or standing there. but we had adult men, these adult black hebrew israelites

who were screaming incest baby, who were screaming horrible things at a catholic priest who i believe we had tonight was wearing a make america great again hat. the kids from covington stood between the black israelites and the catholic priest with the maga hat on, which is why they were standing there. one of the chaperones showed us that tonight. where does this stand tonight? we still have people like scott who believes that mr. phillips is a credible person in all of this, who imagine that the kids standing there were screaming build the wall when none of the video shows that, none of it well, i think it's a shame that your other guest did not mention the fact that those black hebrew israelites were race baiting a black catholic student from covington. and accusing him of being some sort of traitor because he was with his white classmates.

there's an entire different strain of racism against minorities who don't happen to fit the liberal narrative. we never talk about that. >> we never talk about the fact that minority conservatives have gotten the worst, most vile attacks. at least over the last 25 years that i have been a mine yort of color who happens to be a conservative in public life. of being accused of race traitorism of being accuse accu selling out our community. more and more, and you see this now, it's an extraordinary movement of independent minded minorities who are leaving the so-called i did yes logical plantation and braving the slings and arrows of that. it's not just the kids at covington who face the hatred of traditional values. you see that with traditional black christians who believe in

traditional marriage who are often excoriated in the public square. but the idea that the liberal media has tried to ply all these years, it fits into what you said in your opening laura you believe that black people and people of clorp have a privilege in america? it exists really? wow! right on national tv. let me talk about this refute it. refute it. >> laura: they were part of the dynamics, scott. this is part of the dynamic. because in the tape that people who are ricocheting around the internet when they were dee crying these kids as racist, when you watch what happened, that's what started it all. it was them being called crackers crystal magnum had privilege. i believ

[ indiscernible ] >> laura: i think if the chants were going the other way, it would be treated very differently. those kids were -- [ indiscernible ] . >> laura: one thing i have to bring up is the media angle of all of this. savannah guthrie, i don't know her, i'm sure she's a nice person. why on earth is there no desire it will find out anything more about the guy who decides to bang a drum a couple inches away from a kid's face? which i find a provocative space. it's his aura space, don't bang anything. you have the wouldn't like it scott and i wouldn't and michelle i know you wouldn't he was praying, he's a native american. >> laura: he approached the kids, i don't care what he was doing. back it off buddy, it's way too close to a young person. i don't like it if you're a republican, democrat or nothing. get out of people's faces. i don't like it. this is what the washington examiner broke tonight. let's watch.

i think we have it i'm a vietnam vet, you know, i served in the marine corps 72 to 76. i got discharged may 5th, 1976, you know p what my box says is that i was in theater. i don't talk much about my vietnam times, you know. i usually say i don't recollect, i don't recall. you know, those years. >> laura: okay. well, guys obviously half out of it. hold on. the 30 producers that work at the to the show or a lot, dozens, none of them could dig anything up on this guy? none of them? he lied about being in theater. he wasn't in theater. not to take anything away from him, vietnam vets take this seriously. he's an era vet, fine.

don't say the box says i was in theater. what does that say about him, if he's lying about his service in neat nam and no one on the today show could find it? but a reporter for the washington examiner and other kids found stuff. doesn't sound like to they had much desire it to, michelle it was military bloggers and commentators, people who do the research and investigative work on stolen valor, people like don shipley out there early on un-earthing them. non-cred did he know shauld journalists who are interested in the truth. the reason why the today show didn't ask is because they didn't want to know. anything that would undermine his credit would undermine their narrative, everyone that wears a maga hat, everyone that is from kentucky, everyone that goes to a catholic school is an unrepentant tent bigot. now you have trolling expose

christian schools. to smeerm so many people who went through those schools and had good experiences, including me. >> laura: they want to outlaw -- they want to disban catholic schools and christian schools phillips clarified that on his second interview with guthrie [ laughter ] i literally just watched it, your team extent it to me, go one. more importantly what is his credibility? whether he served in the government have to do with the video which is the subject of this? >> >> laura: because the guy made stuff up instigating manufactured racism. manufactured racism. >> laura: god bless him, i hope he's okay, but he comes across as cuckoo for coco puffs, i'll say it again that's not fair >> laura: anyone watching it would be honest, would understand. he's an adult and he's acting like a kid in front of a kid. we're out of time. last night we had a discussion about how the maga hat has

become a symbol of race it's i am racism. when it comes to the maga hat it's a piece of clothing that represents donald trump, and everything that comes along with donald trump. donald trump. >> laura: so is that a yes? he's an unrepentant racist. the maga hat to many is representative of a clan hood what? what? or various symbols of racism. [ laughter ] it absolutely is. >> laura: today lexington kentucky left wing catholic open borders bishop john snow decided to pile onto the kids, righting: writing: : writing: writing: . >> laura: by the way, that particular bishop finds plenty

of time on his plate to show up at daca rallies in dc last february. we invited him on the show tonight but he's too afraid to appear. joining me is bishop aubrey shine who was watching our show last night. bishop, your reaction to these two men of the cloth? i'm appalled. first of all it's always great being with you, laura. when i heard bishop last night. let me say to start out the church of god and christ is a fantastic organization, i was once parted of that organization where bishop swan came from. i can assure you doesn't represent those values, that's where dr. martin luther king had his last speech, at the mason temple in the church of god and christ. when i hear bishop swan not address the real issues and that is the bar bare rick margaret sanger who gave us planned

patient hood and 48% of people that are black that were aborted, not on this planet p remember i was one of the clergy that traveled with then candidate trump. i support candidate trump then and i do right now. there's nothing racist about what he says >> laura: i guess you're a racist. i get bet you have a maga hat, don't try to wear it around dc, don't go into a gym or rest raunt wearing a maga hat because they'll profile you as a person of privilege i do have a jewish mother, i will say this to you >> laura: you got it all covered i got the whole rainbow, the real rainbow that is. when i hear the rhetoric of bishop swan, remember this is the same bishop that called candace owens a name that i can't repeat >> laura: i was glad he actually came on the show.

a lot of these people like the catholic bishop, won't come on, because they don't want questions from me. they're all afraid and hiding behind the collar, i suggest they worry about getting people back in is pews and trump is the most pro life president we've ever had, period not only that. . >> laura: hold on i want to play something eddie grout jr. i know you and he get latte together, he said this the other day the hat represents for many of us a kind of racial animus. make america great again is a kind of nostalgic longing for the 1950's. >> now i want to play something for you you this is bill clinton and ronald reagan on make america great again. i believe that together we can make america great again we'll retore hope and welcome them into a great

national crusade to make america great again. >> laura: guess what, trump wasn't the first person to say it? the wasn't racist then, it isn't racist now it's beyond that. i traveled with this president, as a matter of fact i'm the only clergy in america that hillary clinton put in her book as to why she lost the election because of my support and videos that we produced. this president is not a racist president. i have a heart for this president and that is, it's simple, he's doing a great job, and this is a president we should be supporting. look at the unemployment numbers. >> laura: the democrats don't want happy voters, they don't want people to be able to pursue their happiness in the era of trump that's why they're losing. >> laura: it will drive people to the polls for trump. i think more people are happy than they would like. thank you for joining us you're quite well come. >> left1: dems in the media have trotted out story after story of

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game consoles all being sold because government workers now need quick cash. she's selling her favorite belongings hoping to earn money to pay bills. jessica's boyfriend took a second job at night and the she started this go fund me campaign. >> laura: those store it's are powerful and it's heart breaking that folks are missing paychecks, it's hard. you've probably heard it's the gop's fault, right? [ laughter ] wrong. house democrats have defeated three bipartisan efforts to pay workers during the shut down. they want the shutdown to continue because they think it works for them politically. by the way chuck schumer beat back a bill today that would have ensured the coastguard would have gotten paid! joining me now is former chuck schumer aid, chris hahn. love having you on when schumer is in trouble. seems democrats would rather keep this talking point alive

than to help the very people that they claim trump is holding hostage. pray tell why well the democrats have offered solutions to keep all of the government paid, including a bill that the president was originally supporting back in december that passed the united states senate unanimously that would have kept the government open through february so they could have anything go shatd with the new congress border security and immigration reform >> laura: chuck schumer likes -- right? i mean they were all for a wall. i remember, i was there, i was there when bush didn't want the fence but actually the democrats did want the fence. i was there in 96 when they were putting operation gate keeper up. clinton was advocating for it, i was reporting on it. they all loved border security, they loved the fence. now it's trump's fence or wall and they don't like it. if i were the trump administration i wouldn't compromise at all on this. you can't negotiate with terrorists and i think they're

acting like domestic political terrorists , not physical, restore cal, i don't like what they're doing the president has retreated from his sea to shining sea, big beautiful wall. >> laura: he always was, he never said to put it over the rio the grand. he never said that when the president opens up the government he will have a willing partner in nancy pelosi which chuck schumer [ laughter ] it will include barriers and technology. >> laura: every time i hear sensor or drone i know it's about letting them cross the border, the drone will identify them, pick them up and release them. so the drones are for catch and release advocates. this is what chuck schumer's spokes man's said an hour or so ago, senator schumer and democrats have made it clear they will not support funding for the wall. prorated or otherwise, justin good man. you say they're going to support

it? they aren't supporting any of it. five feet or 500 miles, not gonna support it when they open up the government like the deal they had in december, the democrats and the republicans and the president can sit down and negotiate real border security and immigration reform. but nobody should be talking about adding a wall or changing immigration policy at the point of a gun, neither democrat or republican. >> laura: first of all, chris, do you think this is -- i have a question, i have a question, do you think the democrats are worried about spending money? because if so it's got to be the first time they were ever worried about spending money. we spend money for stuff that is wasteful and stupid in this town, we can't find $5.7 billion? the overrides on social security and fraudulent payments on medicare, there's a list on the government website about overpayments and wrongful payments in the billions laura, the democrats are not worried about spending money. in fact the democrats gave the

president $25 billion today to build the wall, he will never build the wall. he doesn't know how to spend that money. he hasn't spent the money that's been appropriated for spend. we don't expect him to build the wall. it's not going to happen. the president is in capable of doing it. >> laura: now i get it, now the builder can't build a wall. i've heard a lot. but that's a good one. i'm glad you came on. mercedes schlapp is with us. hold on, we've got mercedes on. now the president, even if he had the money won't build the wall! wow! you know again it's the biggest talking point of these democrats for nancy pelosi to say that the wall is immoral. i mean let's be real, laura. we know that listening to go you are on border patrol agents, the walls work. it reduces the amount of illegal crossings, what we're seeing right now are apprehensions up 81%. between the ports of entry.

i mean that is dramatic. >> laura: the numbers to be the that the white house put out late this afternoon were staggering staggering. >> laura: thousands and thousands and thousands of people just in the last month and these something you letters are taking the family units, dropping them off in remote areas and our guys have to pick them up. president trump listens to the agents, he says this is about the safety of our communities, how many more angel moms do we have to meet? how many more of the families who have lost loved ones because of the illegal criminals coming in and taking the lives of americans? these are pre haven't able crimes and this is why we know the wall works, we know we need border security now, and the mere fact that democrats want to play politics with american lives, that democrats have no interest in negotiating with republicans and with this president who put forward a good faith effort. >> laura: they're not doing it? >> it's immoral. >> laura: they're not going to

negotiate with you. they think they have trump at a point where they think he's going to give up. all the headlines, trump concedes on the pull out of the state of the union. trump concedes, trump concedes f. i saw one more on the lower third of the cable screen. they think they've got him. his instincts are so good on this. last year he was i'm not signing this omnibus and they all promised him they were going to give him wall funding, mcconnell and ryan, ryan i think is the heart of this problem. they should have given him this wall the first 100 days, they didn't. isn't it time to declare a national earning sir? the president has to do something for us i think it's clear that congress, we're not getting to a solution there. yes, the president is seriously considering other options, that includes declaring a national emergency. he's looking into these legal options. that is something he can do. what is so troubling is the fact that yes he's been able to keep

the republicans unified in the senate. obviously we needed the 60 votes, manchin came through. >> laura: what about cory gardner breaking ranks. he's never come on the show, i love him then you had some republicans senators vote for the schumer cr, which was outrageous. we don't need. that we need it stand strong on border security. and the president is right on this issue time and time again. it's what the american people want 1249 let me tell you why the cotton and mike lee said they didn't vote for the bill today cotton said it gives legal status to illegal aliens without first securing the borders, mike lee added the bill doesn't do enough to reform the immigration situation and address the crisis at the border. >> they're both i think the best in the u.s. senate on us immigration. they don't like the idea that the administration seems to be

inching toward a type of amnesty this is not amnesty. this is part of trying to find the middle ground to help negotiate and bring the democrats to the table. you've seen some of these freshmen democrats getting real nervous and pressuring nancy pelosi. but nancy pelosi is in complete denial. and the she will do -- she does not care about the federal workers, about the have you never able families, she does not care about those american people that have been impacted. >> laura: she didn't go to kate steinle's funeral did she? the angel moms knocked on her office door and didn't receive a greeting from nancy pelosi or chuck schumer. the president wants to speak up. he is the voice of these parents who have lost loved ones, because of illegal immigration. >> laura: i think it might be wise, not that i should be giving advice, but if i wanted to change the dynamic, you have to a symmetrical here, you can't play the normal negotiating. the president is so good when he

goes on the road. i would love to see him in a latino neighborhood, african american community, given places to talk about what immigration, the right kind of immigration does, great stuff, and the wrong kind of illegal immigration to communities. i would love to see. that i think that's powerful. that is what puts pressures on the democrats constituents. >> there is no question. he had a naturalization ceremony in the oval office highlighting and celebrating the beauty of legal immigration in america. he's hosting pass ors tomorrow that agree with his stance on the border. we're going to meet with hispanics who have suffered the economic and social costs associated with illegal aliens >> laura: the hurt and concern of lower wages, i think that's a winner for you guys to talk about it and talk about all the good stuff you guys are doing as well.

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robert patillo and gavin clarkson, thank you both for being here. here are the rules in the court of ingraham. each attorney will have 30 seconds to layout the case, followed by rebuttal. if the judge needs more information each of you will have an additional 30 seconds to explain. at the end i'll bang the official gavel and give my ruling. first on the docket a new york man is facing manslaughter charges after defending himself against a home intruding. he went after him with a bat and knife after he tried it break into the home. he later tied at a queens hospital. now much later he's being charged in his death alright laura ingle it's important to understand in this case this is not a traditional case, once the threat was neutralized, once the person had left the home they followed him into the street.

at that point the homeowner and his brother proceeded to beat him with a baseball bat and stab him until he died. this is not a case where someone was at their home defending themselves and their family. they have went above and beyond what was required to stop the attack. once they rappelled the individual they should have went into the house and called the police and how did that individual to be arrested by law enforcement i'm a lifetime member of the nra. even though firearms are not at issue, i think justice scully as opinion is important. it's a political right, a god given right. if you look at the way the second amendment, it doesn't grant us the right to bear arms, it says the government shall not infringe on our god given right to defend ourselves. he's defending his family from a home invader. i'm a school teacher, i support concealed carry in the

classroom. >> laura: robert new york penal section 3515 a person may subject to the provisions use physical force upon another person when and to the extent he or she believes it necessary to defend himself. how was that individual not actually threatened? it's not that he is wasn't threatened. the code says that it has to be proportional, what is needed to repel the attack. one of the neighbors says they just kept hitting him. long after the person was neutralized and the threat was over they stabbed him to death. not self-defense, they went past >> laura: rebuttal once again, in my classroom if i'm allowed to bring my concealed weapon into the classroom and some knucklehead walks in with an ar15, your kids and grandkids will go home safe that night. >> laura: counselor this is not

a classroom situation, keep to the facts of the case the issue is you're defending your family from a home invader, you don't know if he's going to return. yes you're supposed to subdue him. because they continued to fight in the streets and the home inva invader continue to beat up on the younger better, the older brother came to his defense. you have an absolute right to defend yourself and your family. >> laura: ruling, gavin gets this one, second amendment rule. now to a wild case in florida. peter shown has claimed for decades that william shatner is his biological father. but the star trek legend has denied any blood tie. shown is undeterred pursuing his birth right, the shatner name. he received a cease and desist order threatening further legal actual if he moves forward. good afternoon, you may begin your argument justice ingraham has a

believer in liberty i don't believe there is a roll for government in deciding people's names. you can legally change your name to practically anything. if you're a fan of the next generation rather than the original, you can change it to john luke rickard if you want to. if elisabeth warren can falsely claim tribe balance ancestry, so can this guy. if the president is watching, it should be f-- >> we had a similar case with re-anna and her father over the name finti, which she uses and he's using. the trademark issue because this individual is falsely claimed for decades to be related to william shatner, now will be able it make money off the shatner name and the grand. >> laura: he's not claiming trademark start on the cease and

desist. it would move to a trademark issue. if the person is infringing on what he's produced. >> i teach the intellectual property law, if he wants to make a trademark claim he should allege it. this is somebody wanting to change their name. government shouldn't be in the business of depriving people's liberty even to come up with a silly name. manufacture the trademark issue is totally irrelevant at this point if i decided to change my name to gavin clarkson and start doing crazy things, you have the right to change that. >> laura: ruling, robert wins this one. shatner, he's safe tonight i'm on team rickard. >> sanctions across the board. punitive sanctions against all lawyers. by the way, if you love this ruth bader ginsburg like doily collar, tressie, 85 fan actually

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♪ ♪ . >> laura: according to forbes there are more than 44 million borrowers who oh a collective 1.5 trillion in student loan debt and that means instead of working to ease the burden of that growing debt, what are we doing? law makers in new york just approved a program that allows undocumented immigrants access to financial aid of over $5,000 a year. so how do current students saddled with loans feel about this? joining us julia boudreaux, she has committed the next eight years to service to our country to pay back here loan. and mickey cones is an advocate for this bill and new york city advocate. mickey how is this fair? well, the entire budget of new york state is $168 billion.

dreamers contribute $115 million to state and local economies and this bill is going to cost $27 million. these are people that pay taxes, contribute to the economy, some of them are citizens, direct examinationers, children of undocumented people in new york who have been paying taxes, and deserve the same privileges and rights that we have, just by being in the right area, born in the right area. ultimately --. >> laura: hold on, take a breath. so should people in other countries, who want to come here and are good people, should they also -- why should they be excluded from the five,$000 benefit if they're good people and they've done pretty well in school? they're not excluded. >> laura: they can get the benefit, too? they can file for financial aid in different forms for children of undocumented people who were born here or came

via -- >> laura: alright. we have to get to julia. it's an investment. these people, i mean when you listen to people who are for more open borders are amnesty, their point basically is these people are almost better than american citizens. i mean they're more -- they're less criminal, they're paying more taxes. they're working harder. they deserve it. you the kind of get that sense that they're the people who really need the benefits and the american people i guess you just have to work for eight years to be able to pay off you're the student loan. julia. >> thank you for having me, laura. i feel as though when i think about it, that i know so many people who have sacrificed so much to go to college. like you said i have given up eight years to dedicate by next eight years to the military. and to pay for college, and i've taken out loans to pay for the rest. and i feel as though while we need to certainly we need to --

>> laura: be sensitive to the needs of others yes we need to be sensitive to the needs of others and we need to take care of immigration reform. that's something we need to do. we also have so many people struggling to pay for college here, and this is bad legislati legislation. >> laura: it's easy to say the budget is big, so just spend it on this. i go to new york quite a bit. i love new york, but new york has a lot of problems in the city. i hear residents complain all the time. i used to live there. it's been awhile but i go there a lot. there is a lot of problems in new york. a lot of homeless, a lot of veterans on the street, a lot of trash on the street, a lot of fill this in the street, people shooting up in the alleyways, doesn't new york have its hands full with the problems that are already there?

if it's 1 five thousand strashgs why don't help the vets on the street we generate the most wealth on the planet. if you want to see the problem it has to do with it being held up. we knew have a democratic senate. >> laura: the lot of million airs are leaving, they're fleeing no, they're not. >> laura: you have amazon, the world's largest who -- they need to be paying taxes. >> laura: they're fleeing new york they're not. >> laura: new york ranks number one in losing residents of any state in the united states because it's >> laura: followed by california and new jersey it is working people who can't afford to pay rent. >> laura: i spend a lot of time in florida. they're all going down to florida because they don't want to pay taxes. they're all going down there. julia, so first of all have you for your service to the country, thank you for coming on, go both

of you. i think this is going to be very interesting to see the way it plays out. theres a lot of student debt. >> they should make college free. >> laura: everything is going to be free and who the heck is going to pay for it? you have to the invest in people. >> laura: cars, refrigerators, everything. run on that. are you going to be a good public advocate. everybody gets in the wagon who the heck is going to be there to pull it? why did barbara try sand cancel a last minute appearance? that mystery is tonight's last bite. is ..

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