i'm mike emmanuel. thank you for watching. we'll see you tomorrow night. good night. mark: hello, i'm mark levin, this is "life, liberty & levin." kirk schilling, how are you, my friend? >> i'm good. how are you. mark: we've met in the past but now we get to talk to each other. tell you why i wanted you here. because you fascinate me. great athlete. i'm from philadelphia. you played for the phillies for some time, you played for the diamondbacks, youyo played for boston, have you a tremendous record and also you're an outspoken conservative.

ounow, first things first, 1993 you pitched in the world series. for the phillies. they lost. 2001, arizona diamond beaux, 2004, 2007, boston red sox, championships. you're an 11-2 post season record. i want the nation to understand how phenomenal that is. that's the greatest post season record of any pitcher who has pitched 10 or more games in the npost season, and 8.846 winning percentage. tei'm doing this for a reason. you have the major league record when it comes to that. you also struck out over 3,000 batters. one behind gibson. tied for third or one behind? >> i'm one behind. >> one behind on third and you routinely -- it's not that long ago -- you routinely pitched past six and seven innings which really isn't done anymore recall this is a tremendous record.

>> thank you. mark: you're not in the hall of fame. you're not in the hall of fame. is that because of your views? do you think it's political? >> part of it is. i mean, it's not a guess. people that have not voted for bme specifically because of the things i've said or did. they've said it. they have come out and said you i can't vote for him because of what he said or what he did. mark: isn't that pretty outrageous? aren't they supposed to be voting based on your career as a baseball player, as an athlete, not whether they agree with your conservative views or not? >> the two words come up, the character clause. and there's a couple issues with that. first of all, now -- i've seen recently, i've been put in the clemmons and bonds category, the character issues, this and that. that killsls me, because roger clemmons was a big influence on my career but i don't doubt for a second that he cheated.

they're equating me and something they think i've done or said with guys who willingly -- lance armstrong he destroyed other people's lives to preserve their legacy, we're on the same moral turf somehow. my dad told me don't ever live your life trying to please people you don't know. and that's -- i lived that. you can look at 22 years of my career and every -- i've never had an incident with a teammate. not a serious incident. every dayca you having. fans, clubhouse guys -- mark: isn't this what they do to conservatives generally. look what they've done to the president of the united states. before he became a republican, before he decided to run, before he was the nominee, before he was president ofva the united states, the liberals loved him. the media loved him. hollywood loved him. and they couldn't say enough good things about him. they took his money, they took hiser donations, they made money

off of his program, all that was well and good. then he decides to run for president of the united states. next thing you know, he's a reprobate, he's hitler, he's stall in, he's a thousand things that they say. he came up against it. you came up against it. guys mike lee, we come up against it every day. isn't it an effort to destroy your reputation and character if they can rather than engage. >> i would argue it's probably the same reason you have a hard time to get a liberal sitting in this chair. i'll converse and debate anybody. i am open. one of the things i was when i played, i was coachable. i would listen to anybody about anything. it would make me better. my this fothirst for knowledge e same. military history is my passion outside of sports. i readk probably -- my mom taugt me how to speed read. i've got a stack of books. i read about a book a night and it's -- i find something i don't

know. and then i'll read it. because a book is just someone elsed interpretation of something that i can look up myself. but i want different perspectives and viewpoints. especially where we are now. you look at where this country is now, and -- mark: where is this country now? >> as conservatives we're up against a group of people who don't have any forethought, who don't think ahead. you can't in any realistic scenario in the real world play out this socialist dream and come to a conclusion that benefits the people. it's never worked anywhere, ever. there's no example where you can say -- they love to point to -- mark: scandinavia. >> they don't realize, it doesn'tt scale. there's six or 10 million people in those countries combined. we're over 300 million people and how many tens of millions of those people aren't even in the system. taking billions of dollars. it doesn't work. and so look at a generation. my kids are between 16 and 22.

they're in college and they're pretty conservative and they're listening to liberal professors say things and they'll text me. athe only -- my son has one professor, he said i don't want you to take what i say at face value, i want you to challenge me. mark: you think the country is moving in the wrong direction because of this socialist pressure that's in place in our schools and our society and the media ev even though there's pushback, the president of the united states and other conservatives. >> you know where we are right now. you're in the eye of the storm in a sense. heather given your influence of people on the right and the hatred that comes from the left, which means you're on target doing something right. trump's going to win in 2020. there's no feasible way unless the russians and democrats get together again and try to rig another election. he wins in 2020. they're not going to suddenly

scale back. no. mark: you don't think this ends well? >> it doesn't. it can't end well. the left has proven they won't let it end until they get their way. mark: that's an example on the wall. >> the wall is a great example. you were mentioning how much the left loved trump. when they weres loving trump thy were also approving 25 and $40 billion to fund a wall because you can go back and look at the sound bites of obama and clinton and everybody saying we need this, we need border security. w now they hate it and they only hate it because president trump wants it, period. he's not going to give in. he's not going to end the shutdown until he gets his money. mark: you're describing a political party that puts power before country because why in the world would they change their position. everybody knows a nation needs to security its border. everybody knows it's a bad thing for drug and drug runners to come into the country.

everybody knows we need to know who is coming into the country. >> those are all common sense. mark: all common sense. they reject it. they don't reject it because it's irrational or bad policy or bad for the country. they reject it because it's bad tfor their own political fortun. they have a propaganda machine at cnn and msnbc and new york times, day in, day out. you were talking about your kids. they have academia in their back .pocket with professors who are mostly hard core left wing and much like you in sports, leftists in sports can do pretty much whatever they want to do they can take knees, do this, do that. conservatives in sports have to be careful. even the sports media is quite left wing. >> there'sef no better example n the last nine years, two athletes have been pretty much -- tom thomas cared the bruins -- carried the bruins. he didn't go to the white house. he is like who he must not be

named. he carried the bruins to the stanley cup and the greatest thing ever until that -- me, i said vote bush in 2004. it blew up. the patriots refused to go to the white house. they're icons. they're people to follow. and so like i said, you can't -- like the hall of fame vote stuff, i can't live my life for those people, to -- they're never going to -- they're never going to like you. there's a a certain part of the world that doesn't like you for whatever reason. the reason they don't like me has to do with i think character and integrity and morals and ethics and honor and all the things my dad taught me to believe. we were talking earlier, i said one of thegs most powerful lesss in my life was roger klemm pullinclemmonspulling me aside. my dad passed away before i made my debut. mark: heef never saw any of th. >> not from ground level. roger told me when you walk out on the field, the name on your

jersey is not your name, that's your father's name. i never forgot that. i left a ticket for my dad every game i played. i wanted an empty seat in the stadium during the world series, so he knew i never forgot about him. mark: you flirted with running kfor office. massachusetts would be a tough place to run. >> yeah, but that's why i chose boston over new york to play. mark: really? why? >> if i went to new york and helped them win world series, hohohum.o if i go to boston and help break the curse, i want the challenge. it turned out to be partially a great thing. i got what i asked for. mark: do you think you'll run? >> no. not now. after i watched -- when you look at what the left has done to people that they don't like, especially politicians, when i watched the cavanaugh hearing and realized conservative wives, spouses and children are now in

play for the media, my family doesn't deserve that and they spent 20 years following me around baseball, i'm not going to subject them to that. mark: i want to talk about that, the kavanaugh hearings, your philosophy, your view of sports. sports seems to be following the democrat party pretty much. >> yes. mark: don't forget to join us almost every week night on levine tv. you can sign up, blaze tv.com/mark or call 844-levin-tv. a lot of conservatives are there. we would like you to join us. we'll be right back. onservativee there and we would like you to join us. we'll be right back. as a fitness junkie, i customize everything - bike, wheels, saddle. that's why i switched to liberty mutual. they customized my insurance, so i only pay for what i need.

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mark>> kurt schilling, was thern event, a book, a person, your upbringing, that caused you to be a a conservative and a republican? >> no. my father was -- i grew up an army brat, very lower middle class, and i was for net enough to have a father who taught me the pride in ownership and what it feels like to work for something. and i played sports. i was always about the winners

and losers. mark: competition. >> right. which is capitalism. capitalism is -- i've been a victim of it too, with the studio that i opened, it ended up failing after i put over $50 million of my own money into it. but that's what happens. capitalism weeds out the weak and it's why we are where we are. i think i entrenched my stance as a conservative when i was old enough to read and understand the constitution. i think i was like 11. and -- mark: you're far ahead of nancy pelosi. she's 78. >> she still doesn't. but that's fine. i read it and it's a pretty cool document. when you think about -- we were talking earlier, foresight, the amount ofnk foresight these men had to put this document together, knowing full well that we are horribly flawed species and that somebody somewhere was going to try andth do many, many bad things to get it-it's just mind boggling to me they were

all that smarts. we've gone through changes in the country. we had to live'v through some of the worst things but we fought a ivcivil war to end slavery. nobody else did that. almost 1 million were killed in a conflict to eliminate slavery. we have our past. we have scars of the past. those scars of the past are why weca are where we are. i've got to tell you, i've been wanting to ask you this question the longest time. mark: you ask me. >> when you talk about -- racist is the word everybody's throwing around. everybody's a racist. if you don't agreeac with us, we're racist. i look at the civil war. the three amendments that were passed, what they meant and what they did, i want to know why we had to have a civil rights movement in 1960 to give minorities the rights that they were given in 1870. i'lmark: i'll tell you why. it's interesting you bring this up.

those amendments had to be adopted by, what, the states. and it's often said while, quote, unquote states rights, i call it federalism, is a problem because you look at it pre-civil war, it's the states that fought the states and i know it's the union but in the end it was states fighting states and it was states that passed the post civil war amendments, abolishing slavery, conferring equal rights formally and due process on former slaves. when you look at the declaration of independence, there's no reference there to religion, race, sex, or anything. >> intentional. mark: intentional. they were embracing not just the enlightenment but the logic, the logic that came from cicero who was murdered and all these people, john lock who is on the wall there, montiskew, these

were the great thinkers, great minds of humanity. only in america when they set up the governmentgo did they embrae these things. .not marx who would come later, not hagel. husso who was followed by the french and they had ten years of terrorism in the french revolution. the reason why there had to be a civil rights movement us is because there was resistance, tthat word, particularly in the south, among the old democrats the democrat party. you have to remember that as recently as 1924, at the democrat convention, at madison square garden in new york, the klan controlled the convention. people don't know that franklin roosevelt's first appointment to the supreme court was a member of the klan in alabama who had been a lawyer for the klan and his excuse was i didn't know. >> right. i ask k you that question becaue i wanted that answer but i

also-there's been -- our kids are being mistaught or not taught the true history of this country. i think it's dam ning to the education system. the kkk was born out of the end of the civil war because it was a way for the democrats -- even though the amendments were in play, we can make them fear us enough to keep them away from the polls and all that he other stuff. mark: they hanged people. they raped people. they were terrorists. >> they were the tearism ar term of the democratic party. you talk about the switch in the '60s. there was one person that switched. you talk about everyone that followed goldwater -- he wasn't voting in civil rights. he was voting against giving the federal government more power. mark: here's what i want to add to this. the first civil rights amendments were the post civil war amendments. the first civil rights law was

proposed by eisenhower in 1956. the '64 civil rights act, the '65 civil rights, voting rights act, the vast majority of republicans voted for both. i happen to disagree with goldwater on this. i understood his philosophy. ithe had no a anmous whatsoever. the problem i have is that the democrat party and their mouthpieces in the media keep accusing republicans of what they were. well, i think they have lurched in a completely different direction, a radical left direction. >> there's no doubt about that. mark: that's a very bleak place to take the country, very dangerous. we'll be right back.k. place toe country. very dangerous. very dangerous. we'll be right back. to be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing it's best to make you everybody else...

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mark: live from america's news headquarters. president trump doubles down on his promise to build a wall on the southern border. the president remains optimistic but he says it will not be easy with both parties dug in. he signed a bill ending the longest government shutdown in u.s. history. the legislation did not include money for the wall but it will fund the government for three weeks. if a deal isn't reached the president says he will close the government again or use executive orders. a manhunt is underway in

louisiana for a man police say is behind a deadly shooting spree. authorities say dakota terio shot and killed five people across two neighboring parishes. two of the dead have been identified as the 21-year-old's parents. the three other victims were found at a trailer park. i'm mike emmanuel. now back to "life, liberty & levin" p. ." thanks for watching. mark: were you always a republican? >> i think i was. i registered -- when i registered at 18, i registered as an independent. to this day i'm probably a more independent republican. socially i'm very progressive. but fiscally, i'm not. mark: socially your view is -- >>r i don't care who you sleep with. i don't care about any of the other things that--i have a son on the spectrum and he is one of

the greatest human beings you're ever going to he meet. he formed the lgbtq club in high school. as far as i know he's straight. i don't know. i don't really care. i've had kids coming into my house for eight years that are gay, that are transgender, that are making the h change from boy to girl, girl to boy, i don't use pronounce around grant's friends because i don't want to get in trouble with them. mark: i use pronounce because i don't know what else to say. >> they're the greatest kids in the world. and i keep telling him, who you are dating, that has absolutely nothing to do -- mark: you're not a republican because of that. >> right. mark: you're a republican why? >> i'm a republican because i love competition. i think competition brings out the best in human beings. i think. mark: this whole notion of centralized government, of uniformity, of readies contributing wealth -- redistributing wealth, destroys the motivations and principles. >> the second you say you're

against obamacare, you're hoping people die according to the mainstream media. i want everybody tole have healh care. let's be clear. no one can -- you can't be denied health care. mark: you go into -- that's federal law. >> you cannot be -- you can be he denied health insurance but you can't be denied health care. in capitalism, if we force people to under a single pair pr government run health care system, then we're going to be telling people go to medical school and become doctors how much money they can make he every year. mark: i have this question for you. when burnie sanders-car person sanders talks about government, when all these people talk about government, can they give us names? exactly who is going to run the health care system. >> and exactly where do these experts come from?

they're not experts. they're people who are in the bureaucracy, civil servants, members of unions in some cases, some of them have seniority. do they have expert tests? basically what these leftists are telling us is that the people in the bureaucracy are smarter, more experience, more nobel than all the -- >> is this the message they've been telling us? mark yes. mark: yes, how is that the case. >> they're saying we know better than you. mark: we pay most of the bills. >> with no background of success inno doing anything. the government has never -- that's why capitalism -- private sector kicked the crap out of the government forever. because of the competition. mark: are you happy? you're republican. are you happy with how the republicans generally conduct themselves in congress? >> no. mark: why not? >>he no, i think the republicans -- most of the republicans in congress stopped representing me about seven or eight years ago.

and started representing themselves and running for office the day they got into office. mark: is it because they don't stand for conservative principle, because they don't fight, they drive up the debt? igall these things? >> yes. the democrats when they want something, they don't care. they'll ruin your life, they'll ruin lives, whatever they need to do to get what they want. we've always been excuse me, may i, please, i'm sorry, in a sense of -- we don't want to play dirty pool. we don't believe dirty pool is the way you play. when two groups are competing on the playing field and playing by separate rules, it's not a fair game. that's what's happened. the freedom caucus is more my speed now. jim jordan and the guy -- mark: consistent serve conser. >> the conservative looks at the constitution as an ironclad document. it's easy, it's simple. it makes sense and it's perfect.

mark: what do you make of this battle over the budget and the law and the state of the union? what do you make of all that? >> well, i find it ironic. i don't know if irony is the right word. a couple years ago, before the election, weren't we screaming for something different. we don't want a career politician. we want somebody to break the mold. you couldn't break the mold anymore than we broke it with the guy we put in there. he's not a politician. this is what it looks like when you have someone that isn't a politician in the oval office. he's a problem solv solver. mark: he's very conservative. >> he's very conservative. he's the first politician in our lifetime that kept his word. that's why i believe -- mr. president, if you're watching the show, do not give in. the american people are behind you. don't give in until the democrats give you what they were giving each other 10 years ago, the $40 billion,

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mark: kurt schilling. as a broadcaster, radio, tv, digital tv, i actually find sports broadcasters to be even more liberal than the so-called mainstream media and they like to talk about politics all the time. first of all, why is that and why do they like to talk about politics all the time? >> i don't have an answer for why. i do know -- i believe the number's 86, it might have been 88% of door-they did a poll of poll of sports writers, 88% of the people in the media in sports media are liberal. mark: why i is that. >> it's a byproduct of our education system. most of them have gone to college and got a degree in gender studies or whatever they get a degree in these days. when i realized that, when i was done playing, i looked back on that, i think about these guys

tthat are-they've got four year degrees from b.u. and they've got a journalism degree and standing in front of a kid who is 21 years old, doesn't speak english from the dominican, making $15 million a year and they're taking $1,500 a month after taxes or whatever, and there was some -- there's bitterness. you can always see ing the writing. mark: you think they're bitter because they see athletes making all this money and they make chump change, many of them. >> i don't think that's the sole reason. i think that's part of it. i've seenn, that dynamic at wor. i do know that i was surprised by that. there were more liberals in the boots had. eespn was -- i had people come p to me, almost like being a member of the underground railway, i l guess. they would come up and say hey, listen, i agree with your political views, so keep it up. no one could hear them say that. and its turned out to be true.

there were almost noke outwardly conservative, except for me, at espn. they made that end pretty quickly, so -- mark: could it also be in part, you see a lot of the athletes taking the knee, not all of them, a lot of them taking the knee. you see like at the nfl at the highest levels they cave to the left. and also conservatives don't use torts to make statements. you know, you just said, you're competitive. you're an a athlete. you do your thing, you go home, do your commercials or whatever you do. could the problem be for progressiveism, witting or unwitting, whatever the forum is, w sports, we're going to devour it with our ideology. that's my sense of it. whatever is out there, we've got to super impose or inject our ideology. >> isn't that what they do? they chew something up, spit it out, move to the next thing. a great example, christine blasey ford, when's the last

time you heard her name. she was the linchpin of the trump administration's nomination of judge kavanaugh and itt turned out she had nothing. it turned ou out that all the people involved, they were lying about this man. hilindsey graham was right. i think lindsey graham justified his political life in the statement he made at the end. mark: that was his great -- >> it was. mark: it was his great sort of welch speech, have you no decency. >> i tell my kids, if the left will destroy a man like that, to get what they want, nobody's off limits. look what they did to general flynn. this man served his country honorably for how long. it wasn't a misleading lie. mark: it was a setup. >> he was setup. we'll find out when the mueller stuff is done, if we can get the truth, it will be stunning. mark: one of the things we'll b able to get is in that chair,

i hope, general flynn, who will for once be able to tell his side of the story. people don't understand that when a prosecutor is holding a legal gun to s your head, you're not allowed to speak. >> and threatening your family. mark: threatening your son, threatening your family. they have enormous power. in this case, there's no check or balance. >> insider power. mark: congress, even republicans say you need to protect the prosecutor. no, you need to protect his targets. there's no check and balance. he's gotten nor mus -- got s power. >> you think of the social media companies, the innovativeness in our lives, they could plant whatever they wanted on your computer -- mark: what do you make of the unmasking of general flynn, the unmasking of these individuals during the obama administration, why aren't we getting to the bottom of that? why aren't we getting to the

bottom of the russia collusion. >> we have questions we know the answers to. we know for a fact the president didn't collude with russia. hillary clinton gave somebody that is tied to a russian company access to 20% of our uranium. mark: that's right. state controlled company and also it is she and the dnc that funneled money through a law firm and so forth to a foreign ex-spy who worked with the russians. >> and how is that not a story? mark: isn't that amazing to you? >> it's more scary than amazing, because it's, again, i've told you this in my ways the media can do whatever they want to if they don't like to. they can do whatever they want to if they do like you. they've marginalized me in many ways for things i haven't done.

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mark: r kurt schilling, you read a lot of history you said,

military history in particular. you see what the president of the united states is trying to do with north korea, it's very, very difficult. he was handed a real bad hand there. he's accused of going soft on russia yet he's tougher on russia than obama's ever been. i really like what he's doing with china which has been stealing our technology and isi expanding militarily in so many ways, i wish our media would of focus on some of that. he reversed the obama administration's policy with iran. it's being icbms not for tel aviv but for los angeles. they're a threat to israel and to us too. yet, he's not given a lot of credit for what he's doing in foreign policy which is essentially reganism. and they attacked reagan too. reagan was very, very successful. what do you make of that? >> the first thing, i think the most obvious issue for me is i

find it stunning that when the president of the united states says america first people get offended. eothat's a dog whistle. isn't that what the left says, dog whistle. america first. americans are all colors, races, religions. that's what makes is so great. that seems to offend everybody when he says america first. mark: why does that offend the left? >> i think because -- mark: do they view us as part of a global community? >> oh, sure they do. hillary wanted hemisphere dissil borders. mark: who they have us surrender to -- >> you can't be a sovereign nation without borders. that's a simple fact. on the foreign policy side, i think -- i was struck by a couple things. when he was running and he was

interviewing people for his cabinet, talking about people for his joint chiefs -- i can't remember the general's name. i want to say it was flynn but it wasn't. it was somebody else. he came away with an impression of president trump that he didn't go in with. he said a lot of times i view people andnd their intelligencey the questions they ask rather than the questions they answer. and the questions he asked me were just brilliant. and i'll take his word that they were that. i think he's getting advice from the people -- his inner circle is smaller than any president in our lifetime. mark: it's solid with bolton, pompeo, folks like that. if you don't believe in america first, do you believe in america second? >> if your foreign policy is not america first, what is it? china first? part of the reason i was so distraught over the eight years of obama, whoever was president this time, hopefully a conservative, would have to unravel the cow towing and bending and kissing of but

globally the administration did. our soldiers are buried on foreign terry all over the world. i don't know b of any foreign soldiers that are buried on our ground that helped us get what we got. mark: some french. >> there are some french. absolutely. when you go to the graveyard above normandy beach, and you look at the rows and rows and you watch french citizens react to world war ii veterans, which sis one of the greatest things i've ever seen, you realize the media doesn't represent not just american interest but the common man. mark: we'll be right back. man. >> all right, [knocking]

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going electric could lead to way cleaner teeth. and unlike sonicare, oral-b is the first electric toothbrush brand accepted by the ada. oral-b. brush like a pro. mark: i want to circle back to where we began the program. the hall of fame. for people who don't know, who decides who gets into the hall of fame? >> so there's a baseball writers

association, sports writers association. once you get 10 years in, you're qualified to get a hall of fame ballot. mark: ten years in as a writer. >> as a member of the association. you don't have to be a baseball writer. mark: you can be an expert on boxing. >> you can be an expert on anything. some have never watched baseball. mark: how many are in the group? >> it's 400 at this hour. mark: is this typical? >>s it fluctuates. mark: how does somebody get on the ballot. >> you have to play 10 or more years in the big leagues. once you hit that threshold, five years after you retire, you go on the ballot. mark: so you go on automatically. >> yeah. mark: how do you qualify to go on there. >> you have to play 10 years. mark: just by seniority. >> by playing a specific amount of time. mark: every baseball player who has played a certain period of time is on ballot.

>> if you get less than 5% votes you're off the next year which is what happened to the ballot. mark: what's the highest percentage you ever got? >> 50-something. mark: do you know when? >> i think two years ago. it went down last year. mark: you keep popping up on the ballot. >> you i wonder how my percentages -- i haven't won a game or struck out a hitter in 10 years. apparently i'm getting better and worse. mark: do writers tell you what's going on? they must talk to each other. >> so about, i don't know, 15 years ago i was in tampa bay and the hall of fame voting had come out and i think -- i want to say nolan ryan had gotten elected. a writer walked into the clubhouse and said -- this guy was an ass. he was a pompous guy. he told everybody he was the greatest athlete in the world when he wasn't 500 pounds. he turned out to be a horrible

human being. he came in said i didn't vote for nolan, ryan. proud. he said if don sutton doesn't get in, nolan ryan doesn't deserve it. you said you didn't vote for him so you could get content because you're too lacey to -- lazy to get it for yourself. you are being asked to pass oujudgment on a career you haveo business giving comment on. i learned they don't vote their conscience. mark: they votear for other reasons. ot>> for a lot of other things. mark: i want to ask you this. i don't want to -- you haven't complained about this to me at all. i'm the one that keeps bringing it up. >> i never will. mark: let me ask you this. in your mind who are the three greateste pitchers in modern bae baseball. >.>> greg maddox. i think he's the best pitcher in the history of the game. mark: why. >> what he did, when he did it, belies logic.

randy johnson, probably the greatest power pitcher. mark: if i were standing at the pleat and this guy was up there, 6'9" and it's arms, he's like 3. >> he basically brushes your nose when he lets go of the base baseball. mark: i would be scared to death. >> you should sca be. mark: that's a big dude. >> i got to watch that, honored to watch that. and i think pedro martinez had one of the greatest runs ever, what he did before that three-year period was -- i would say maddox and johnson and then there's clemmons before he did the stuff he did. mark: what about ryan? >> i think nolan ryan was one of the greatest strikeout pitchers of all time. nolan ryan was a guy -- his last pitch was 95 miles an hour. mark: that's unbelievable. >> he was 79 years old. mark: i would consider him one of the grates. >> yeah. yes. that's fair. mark: i cim also consider you e of thet greats. >> i appreciate.

mark: there's nobody better in the post season. nobody. two goals. honest to god, my wife and i were laying bed in 1992, after my first season in the big leagues and she said to me, what do you want to happen. i said i want two things. you i want to win the ro roberto clement award and have all yteammates that i worked with saying iun want him on the moun. i won the award. that's the highlight of my career. i went to one game as a fan in my lifetime, roberto clemente's final game. he died in a plane crash not long a after. first time i ever saw my dad cry. he meant the world to my dad, he meant the world to me. mark: you're fascinating.

i want to thank you for coming on the program. >> always a pleasure. mark: ladies and gentlemen, see you next time on "life, liberty & levin." all right, ladies and gentlemen.right, ladies see you next time on "life, liberty and levin". welcome jesse: welcome to. "watters' world." i'm jesse watters. by now everybody heard the story of the covington boys. we'll have a sit-down with a member of the community who started the whole thing, the black israelites. phillips first told "the washington post" and other outlets that he was surround and harass bid the covington boys. he said